I was pleasantly shocked to read this. These women may be the only LDS members
who know anything about the Bible! I have taught older Primary kids and Sunday
School for 4 decades --- and am continually alarmed and dismayed at how our kids
know virtually NOTHING about the Bible. Not even the simplest Bible stories or
Christ's parables. Horrifying. Inexcusable. Negligent. But our kids know
EVERYTHING about the Book of Mormon. Is the Bible not the very foundation of the
gospel (and the Book of Mormon the *keystone*)? How oh HOW can they have a
thoughtful, 2-way conversation with other Christians?? Or is their goal only to
be a one-way "telling" about the LDS faith?
Wow, sunnyrainy! That is really sad! It sounds like your ward and it's
members need better training in primary, Sunday school, and seminary. And some
enrichment activities to help with FHE at home. In my experiences
the kids I teach have been very knowledgeable. Geez, all seminary students
study only the Bible for two of their four years. When I taught primary every
lesson integrated Bible and Book of Mormon. Thankfully you are in a
position to teach. :)
Sounds like it's more rainy than sunny for you.I have been
around LDS church members for a very long time, too, and I am actually impressed
with the amount of knowledge the young and old have regarding the Bible, not to
mention how much they know about how congruent the gospel is from the
perspective of both volumes of scripture (Bible and Book of Mormon). I recently
had a 'thoughtful, 2-way conversation' with another Christian just the
other day. I have found that not all "Christians" have a great command
of the Bible, either. Something which I think would go a long way toward
improving our society (not only knowing, but living the tenets of the Bible).Hopefully your world can become a little sunnier.
@sunnyrainybellevue, wa"...I have taught older Primary
kids and Sunday School for 4 decades --- and am continually alarmed and dismayed
at how our kids know virtually NOTHING about the Bible. Not even the simplest
Bible stories or Christ's parables. Horrifying. Inexcusable."Sad to hear your horrible experience about your Primary kids not learning the
Bible. We certainly don't have a problem with our kids here in Virginia
from the years I've been in Primary both as a teacher and music chorister.
We taught about Jesus, sang about Jesus, and every program was centered on Jesus
and every child knew about Jesus. In fact every year the Primary themes always
involves both the Bible and the BoM in their yearly programs so I don't
understand how your kids can know NOTHING about the Bible and know EVERYTHING
about the BoM. I mean 4 decades of teaching and still have kids that knows
nothing about the Bible is sad indeed! I don't know what to say except I
hope it's not a problem throughout the whole church worldwide.
Though they are a small and focused charity, I've been donating to One
Heart Bulgaria for 4 years and have always been impressed with their dedication
to these children and the amount of good they do with so little.I
hope their appearance on this show will help boost their donations and allow
them to do that much more.Good on them all!
I have only been teaching Primary for about one tenth the amount that you have,
sunnyrainy. I cannot state for certain how much better or worse the children
I've taught know the Bible as I have little to compare it to. As we are
studying the Old Testament this year though, I do find that the children in my
class know the stories. I find it great because then we're able to dive in
a bit deeper to understand why these particular stories are important to us as
individuals.As is always the case, there are some in my class who
know more than others. I think that is the case regardless the topics though.
When we taught the Book of Mormon I had nearly as many who struggled when I
said, "Okay, so you know about Abinadi, right?" Then I would get into
the story and the smiles would come as the memory clicked for them. We have to remember that Primary is filled with children. I don't dare
put the expectations on them which I have for my grown children!
When teachers follow the LDS lesson manuals in Primary and Sunday School, they
cannot avoid teaching great scripture stories, both in the Bible and the Book
of Mormon. I'm teaching 3-year-olds at the moment, and even at that tender
age they've been learning about Jonah, and Daniel, and other prophets from
the Old Testament this year. Whether the children remember much for long is
another question. This is why these wonderful books are rotated through the
years until each student has the opportunity to study and drink in as much as
they're willing to learn. Some are not too willing. Sounds like you've
found them. Keep on trying. You never know how much is really going into those
expanding minds because sometimes (especially in fragile teenage years)they are
reluctant to speak up. Take heart. Don't quit. One of your students might
even end up on a future Bible game show.
I'm quite astonished that this show would actually allow Mormons to
participate, given the strongly Evangelical leanings of its writers, producers,
and even host. This may be a setup designed to make fools out of the LDS
contestants—and, by extension, the Church—or it could be some kind
of a publicity stunt to get ratings from those who otherwise would not watch the
show. Either way, I hope that they surprise everyone by doing extremely well and
demonstrating a more comprehensive understanding of the scriptures than any of
the other contestants, which their exposure to the Restored Gospel ought to
provide. Sadly, doctrinal differences will probably come into play at some point
and prohibit them from winning, even if their answers are correct. It would be
interesting to watch nevertheless.
@sunnyrainySorry to hear about your situation. That shocks me. I
get to help in the primary in our ward on occasion. There are kids that
struggle with scripture stories in general and others who amaze me. It does not
seem to be Bible vs Book of Mormon. As for my family, a few years back we on
vacation in So Cal. While at the beach there was a large group congregating at
one end. We wandered over to see what was going on. It was a group promoting a
summer bible study. To get the kids excited, they were asking bible story
questions. The 10 year old in our family answered question after question. The
Pastor stopped letting him answer unless no one else knew the answer. Afterward
the pastor came to meet our family and wondered where we lived and why we had
not been seen at church. He was shocked to find out we were Mormon (because he
did not think we believed in the bible). Anyway, point to the long story is we
do "teach of Christ, rejoice in Christ, preach of Christ that we may know
the source for the remission of our sins". Good Luck!
I got to see the show last night and really enjoyed it. Not only was it fun to
watch (and compete in my head) as Jeff Foxworthy threw out Bible questions, but
it was great to see Latter-day Saints who were able to join other Christians in
supporting and sharing their worthy causes! I know one of the ladies who founded
One Heart Bulgaria, and the work they do is very sincere and life-changing for
those darling kids. So it was win-win, in my opinion!
Happy to soothe, antodav . . . The experience was wonderful, the host, Jeff
Foxworthy, was so fun and gracious, and all of the producers were awesome to
work with. We loved being around optimistic, fantastic contestants who made our
experience unforgettable. The show is airing all weekend--hope you have a chance
to see it!
Jeff Foxworthy is the host? He is such a quick-witted funnyman. That almost
makes me wish we had paid TV...naw...but almost. My little sister,
Jill, lived in Bulgaria for nine years, working at the American University in
Blagoevgrad. (Their building was a former KGB headquarters. Can you think of
anything better than turning it into a school?) Jill did lots of work with the
orphanages there, and got our various wards and schools here in Utah to help
them. Something as simple as artwork for the sterile walls was so appreciated.
Mapleton artist Robyn Card got her students involved, and donations poured in to
help beautify these buildings. I think they also made puppets, dolls and many
quilts over the years.One Heart Bulgaria is a worthy charity, and
I'm so pleased to see some of our Christian brothers and sisters extending
a hand of friendship to us. When we must all stand together against the forces
of evil in the last days; they'll need our help.
I was able to see the episode last night, and I thought they did a great job. To
see them on the stage with priests and other Christians engaging in fun
activities centered on what all the faiths have in common was neat. I can say that my experiences with teaching primary are quite different from
those that sunnyrainy relates above. I have found that, in general, both kids
and adults are fairly familiar with Bible stories and have been taught well.
To all who have kindly sympathized with the children I have taught, thank you.
:-) Alas, I must tell you that I have been abroad for the past 10 years (not a
military connection, BTW) --- and am teaching kids from ALL over the world (12
countries represented in my branch), and these Sunday School kids are coming
from THEIR countries AND from the countries they've been living in .....and
none of them are arriving with ANY knowledge of the Bible or Jesus'
teachings. Not even Daniel and the Lion's Den. So my conclusion is that
something is SORELY missing from the Church's curriculum. If you look at
the 8-yr-old manual (or whatever its called these days!), although Jesus gets
cursory LIP service, in actuality, except for Christmas and Easter, there are 2
lessons that actually get into Christ and His teachings. I'm beginning to
wonder if I belong the Church of Nephi & Alma of Latter-day Saints. :-(
I not only got to see the show last night...I was on it! It was an amazing
experience. Each director and producer treated us with respect and commented on
the spirit we brought with us. We prayed with all the teams we competed with
and made friends. We all believed in God and the Bible and it was a great
feeling of unity. I happen to use my Primary, Sunday School and Seminary
experiences to study because we only had 6 weeks to study and all of us have
outside jobs besides being full-time moms so we had very little time to prepare.
If you have seen the show there is a lot of chance to it, even if you are a
scriptorian. Jeff Foxworthy made a point to talk with us afterwards to tell us
how much he respected our church and charity. We REALLY need the word out there
to support One Heart Bulgaria. There are some really good programs in the works
for these children that are hoping to get sponsors to donate. Our team is
actually called Three Wise Women. They are replaying the show Sat, Sun. and Mon
Kjirstin Youngberg, I think I know your sister! Is her last name Rasmussen? I
knew about her from Bulgaria, but we actually met in Freiberg. Small world.
Sunnyrainy, this year the 8-12 yr old manual is teaching: Jesus
Christ Was Chosen to Be Our Savior; The Creation; The Fall of Adam and Eve; Adam
and Eve and Their Family Offered Sacrifices; Adam and Eve Lived the Gospel of
Jesus Christ; Enoch and a Zion People; Noah and the Flood; Jehovah Makes
Covenants with Abraham; Abraham and Lot; Abraham and Isaac; Isaac and Rebekah;
Jacob and Esau; Jacob and His Family; Joseph Was Sold into Egypt; Joseph in
Egypt; Joseph Forgives His Brothers; The Birth and Calling of Moses; Moses
Delivers the Israelites from Bondage; The Ten Commandments; Israel and the Brass
Serpent; Joshua Leads Israel; Gideon; Samson; Ruth and Naomi; Samuel, the Boy
Prophet; David and Goliath; King David and Bathsheba; The Wisdom of King
Solomon; Rehoboam; Elijah Uses the Priesthood; Elijah and the False Prophets of
Baal; Naaman Is Healed; The Prophet Isaiah; Josiah and Ezra Read the Scriptures
to the People; Esther Saves Her People; Job; Daniel and the King's Food;
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; Daniel in the Lion's Den; Jonah and the
People of Nineveh; and there are others too. I don't think the
Bible is missing from church curriculum.
We had so much fun watching the show! These ladies did an amazing job of
representing their faith and their charity. My favorite part was when they
hugged the priests at the end. Thanks for the good time and great example,
You have been rather negligent mr first poster!
I'm beginning to wonder if SunnyRainy is getting the LDS church mixed up
with something else. His experience with the kids and with the manuals is so
counter to anything I have ever seen around the country. Jesus is not missing
from the Church of Jesus Christ, nor is the Bible missing from the Sunday School
and Primary manuals (as pointed out by HappyMomma). His comments are so extreme
and so contrary to what the church is and what it teaches that I have to wonder
if he is just being a troll.
I saw the show. It was marvelous. I only wish all parts of every show could be
based on knowledge alone -- no rolling of balls, or doodling, or anything like
that -- just answer questions.I was reared in a sectarian
denomination wherein children were made very familiar with the Bible early on.
By the time we were six, we could recite from memory Psalm 23 and John 3:16, and
by the time we were twelve or so, we knew other scriptures (such as Matthew
28:19-20) and we could name all sixty-six books of the Bible in order.I became a Latter-day Saint four weeks before my twentieth birthday.One day several years ago, I had a life-long Saint ask me "Where in the
Bible does it say 'For God so loved the world?'" I immediately
replied "John 3:16," and recited the entire verse. I was surprised she
did not know the passage, but I did not express my surprise.I think
that some Saints are more familiar with the Book of Mormon than they are with
I am So proud of these women! Thank you for this fine example. I
guess you won? I want to watch the show! Bless you, bless you1
my wife are here in the philippines. we are on a small island, 3 hours by ferry
and about 3 hours south of manila. a district of 5 branches. the children/ young
adults/ etc all receive the same lessons that are given back in the states.
sometimes in tagalog, sometimes in english depending on the age group.anyone who doesn't know the bible stories or the bom stories is either
new to the church, playing in the halls or asleep.troll? i had that
@ sunnyrainyYou do know that a good chunk of Isaiah and the New
Testament can be found in the Book of Mormon. :)I study about the
bible but my lack of knowledge doesn't bother me. I can still interact
with other Christians. They can teach me more about the bible and I can teach
them more about the Book of Mormon.It is a win-win situation.
Note: SunnyRainy first said 4 decades, then 10 years; first said no Bible then
said cursory lip service for Jesus. Not having as much teaching
experience as others. when I taught Primary (less than 10 years ago) it went:
D&C, BoM, OT, NT. As someone else said, that is two years of Bible study.
Besides, I think the show demonstrates something contrary to what SunnyRainy is
trying to imply.
The show aired last Thursday and I think repeats tonight. I won't spoil
it, but they fought hard.
RE: Clifton Palmer McLendon Serious Bible study:The one who believes
in the Son has eternal life. The one who Rejects the Son will not see life, but
God’s wrath Remains on him. (John 3:36 NET). No second chances.Go make disciples of all nations=(*ethnos,) baptizing them in the
name=(**onoma) of the Father and of the) Son and of the Holy Spirit.(Mt 28:19
NIV) Three persons, jointly and equally. The Triune God *.ethnicity,all people black or white. **Not names. “Blood” Luke 22:43-44, serious doubts to these verses’
authenticity, are noted by Modern translations (ESV,NIV, NET, etc.. Honest
scholarship has nothing to hide. Check Your LDS, KJV notes Mosiah
3:7,”… blood, cometh from every pore,…”.Gethsemane. JS
copied was unaware of the error.“..sent His Son to be the
*propitiation for our sins.(1 John 4:10). Propitiation=(sacrifice).
Christ's death on The Cross
This group of women represent a great organization: One Heart Bulgaria. I was in
Bulgaria last summer and saw what they are doing blessing so many lives. Also,
they represented the LDS church admirably. For laymen, they really know their