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Peavler: What on earth is Craig Thompson thinking with his comments about BYU?

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  • 311ute Reno, NV
    May 20, 2014 2:44 p.m.

    Again, hello writers at the Des News!!!! You all are completely missing the point, how I am I the only one who is taking notice?

    Who is BYU going to play in 2016? They have two home games scheduled and the season starts in 27 months. They are the only team that I could find who doesn't have a complete schedule set up, let a lone open spots in Oct. Nobody is going to go to LES in Oct in 2016.

    It amazes me that everyone is missing this and that the level of concern is at zero.

    This article talks about two long term opponents. That's great and all, but who else are they going to play and who would be willing to come to LES? The answer is nobody.

    The lack of urgency even among the beat writers is mind boggling.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    May 20, 2014 2:45 p.m.

    Craig Thompson has some validity to his comments. Why would the schedule BYU when teams in your conference have a better shot at playing in a better bowl based upon strength of schedule. If BYU cannot put together a strong enough schedule, playing them would not benefit any team. As it looks now, BYU strength of schedule is getting weaker and weaker by each conference announcement. Take away the emotion and just think about it, this is the number 1 reason why MWC might not schedule BYU going forward.

    Go UTES!

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    May 20, 2014 2:49 p.m.

    BYU should have gotten this Thompson guy fired long ago. He's the one that caused Utah and the Y to leave the MWC due to the really bad TV contract. Had he not been there, and a better TV contract negotiated, the MWC would be a very powerful football conference that would make the big 5 look at them hard. They'd be far better than the Pac 10.

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 3:04 p.m.

    Wookie - You seem to be confusing the strength of schedule that byu offers to the MWC vs. the strength of schedule for byu. BYU is ranked ahead of every MWC team in any preseason ranking I've seen, and also ahead of many power conference teams. That is even with a poor strength of schedule for BYU. If Alabama played in the WAC, they'd still be Alabama. You're mixing yourself up friend in your attempt to belittle byu. Try taking emotion out of it to understand the concepts at hand.

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    May 20, 2014 3:07 p.m.

    What was he thinking?

    He's realizing he has all the power in negotiations with byu.

    Now that the Pac 12, Big 12, ACC, and SEC have all told byu "NO" in one way or another and reminded byu and their fans time and time again they are a mid-major team with a mid-major university, byu is losing whatever leverage it had previously.

    There might not be another university in the nation in as desperate a situation right now.

    The MWC is the only thing keeping byu even at a MWC quality level.

    If the MWC stops helping byu out, and I hope they do, byu will be reduced to a level below the MWC(WAC 2.0)

    You're not on the SEC's level

    You're not on the Pac 12's level(that's why we will never invite you)

    You're not on the Big 12's level

    You're not on the ACC's level(cant beat Virginia) that's why they didn't consider you a power conference team

    byu is at risk of following below MWC level

    And I will laugh the whole way there

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 3:18 p.m.

    Let's look, shall we...

    "Finally, BYU has games with Nevada (2014, 2019), UNLV (2014, 2015), Fresno State (2015, 2017), San Jose State (2015, 2017) and Hawaii (2017, 2018). Between now and 2023, BYU has a grand total of 25 games with MWC already scheduled. It is not in the best interest of any of these teams to back out of any of these games with BYU."

    This is exactly the type of schedule that got byu shunned by the SEC and the ACC and it is abundantly clear that byu is almost completely reliant on the MWC for games. Still, we hear Peavler's refrain...don't get byu mad, or else. LOL! Or else what, Peavler? byu has no games to play?

    "With the walls starting to ominously rise around the so-called "Power 5" conferences, the Mountain West needs as many friends as it can get. Angering BYU's fan base won't help the conference's cause."

    This might be a shock to you, Peavler, but byu can use as many friends as they can get.

  • kitsutsuki South Jordan, Utah
    May 20, 2014 3:18 p.m.

    This type of article only serves as fodder for BYU haters.

    BYU will be just fine regardless of what direction their football program takes. The best thing would be to never schedule our "friends" from up north again. Second to that might be shutting down the program completely.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 20, 2014 3:19 p.m.

    Flashback:

    Utah didn't leave the MWC because of "the Mtn." We left because of the Pac-12. The Pac-12 > MWC all around. Better sports, better revenues, larger fanbase. Thompson isn't a failure because he couldn't bring $20 million television contracts to the MWC. Nobody could. Not even Scott, Slive, or Delaney.

    And cougars didn't leave because of it either. The Mtn. WAS a poorly executed broadcasting contract, but the reason the cougars left was because of a knee-jerk reaction to Utah getting invited to the Pac-10, and the cougars NOT getting invited to the Big 12. The cougars knew they'd fall even FURTHER behind big brother, so they rolled the dice and figured, "what do we have to lose." I think the Y also thought they could return to the MWC if things didn't work out. Although that fallback plan doesn't appear to be working out.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 3:29 p.m.

    311ute
    Reno, NV

    You are absolutely right, 311ute. It isn't that byu fans don't care, though. The issue is that they can' see past their hubris enough to understand that if the MWC does make such a move, it will have a major impact on byu. The pervading sentiment is that byu will save college football. Lol!

    Do what I'm doing...grab some popcorn and sit back and enjoy the show. The entertainment value is off the charts.

  • CougarColby Fort Benning, GA
    May 20, 2014 3:37 p.m.

    Big12,

    I hate to burst your bubble here, but in reality the Pac 12 wanted BYU ahead of Utah and Colorado when they were making plans to add to the conference. When you look at the figures (monetarily speaking) BYU has so much more to offer than the U (and that has been extremely apparent since you guys joined the PAC12). I have a family member that worked with Larry Scott and was heavily involved in this process.

    When the PAC12 looked at adding schools (and took religion out) BYU was their top candidate. They attract a bigger population in both media and game attendance, quality of athletic programs, they sell more paraphernalia, travel better, and have a fantastic relationship with the "worldwide leader in sports". Financially speaking BYU was a better pick.

    However, the PAC12 had to, obviously, take religion into account and with BYU not backing down from Sunday play and the political/religious climate of the West Coast...they made their decision.

    My prediction is BYU will be a FCS (D2) school in the next 10 years, and there isn't anything wrong with that. At least we might be able to win a NC there!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 20, 2014 3:57 p.m.

    NO ONE cares what Thompson thinks including members of his own conference. I'm sure BSU will be bullied out of money making matchups with BYU to make Thompson happy...not. Lol

    311ute:
    We all appreciate your concern but this is what independence looks like. There are currently deals being worked out for the remainder of the 2016 schedule...don't worry, it will be a crappy home schedule like always in independence. I am one BYU fan who isn't looking at independence with any degree of confidence after the last few days...time to work out a deal with someone and get off the street IMHO.

  • rtimesr2 ALTADENA, CA
    May 20, 2014 4:05 p.m.

    Absolutely guaranteed BYU ends up ranked higher than the Utes come year end. Anyone want to take that bet? So if you are ranked in the top 30 how does that make you a mid major program... that just doesn't make any sense.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    May 20, 2014 4:14 p.m.

    Always comical to see Ute fans talk about arrogance and hubris. On articles that don't concern their team. And about a team from which they have professed to have moved on.

    I agree with the article's author. This brain burp will come back to bite Thompson. But he being him, he won't learn a thing from it. Every time words come out of his mouth, it reconfirms the wisdom of leaving the MWC.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 20, 2014 4:16 p.m.

    NV:
    "Knee jerk reaction" to Utah's invite? Give me a break...how frantic and emotional of you. BYU considered going independent before the formation of the MWC and decided to continue with their friends in the north at forming a new league instead (or did you forget that Utah was integral in talking BYU into a new conference in the first place). Even after the formation of the MWC BYU talked about independence when they felt slighted because of perceived dishonesty from the MWC, especially Thompson (how much is true and how much is BYU being elitist who knows...I just know independence was always a contingency [Val Hale is a relative]). Once Utah left they felt no allegiance but independence wasn't a knee jerk reaction, it was always a contingency...or did you think BYU moved so quickly to garner ESPN deals and become independent so soon after Utah's announcement by osmosis? Please...c'mon NV I thought you were above "frantic and emotional" arguments.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    May 20, 2014 4:18 p.m.

    @311ute, What amazes me is that 6 of 9 comments on this board are ute fans and are so obsessed that they literally spend the whole day trolling BYU articles. That is truly amazing! It shouldn't shock me because the pattern of Navel, CB, perspective and others is like the energizer bunny. It just keeps going and going and going. Relax guys. most of us BYU fans really aren't that worried about the schedule in 2-3 yrs. Intrigued yes. I'll let all of you "worry."

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 4:26 p.m.

    Colby,

    "Pac 12 wanted BYU ahead of Utah "

    LOL, ya right(said sarcastically)

    "My prediction is BYU will be a FCS (D2) school in the next 10 years"

    LOL, ya right(Said non sarcastically)

    Even byu fans are seeing that byu is becoming a DII team.

    This is so funny watching byu's program destruct!

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    May 20, 2014 4:27 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs: I expect to see that kind of pessimism from a Ute fan, not a cougar fan. For those who don't like independence, what do you propose? Go back to the MWC? You really want to travel to Laramie and Albuquerque? Wow! Any other ideas? I've been thrilled with independence. The only way it will work will be to win and no amount of handwringing about conference affiliation can change that. Win baby win. Good luck cougars! Hear's hoping for a great yr!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 4:28 p.m.

    cougndawgs,

    "...time to work out a deal with someone and get off the street IMHO."

    Ya, why don't you guys just join the Pac 12 or Big 12 and play a big time schedule against big time programs with home and homes year after year?

    Also, that provides a direct path to everything in college football.

    I'm surprised that byu would rather be an indy-WAC team than play in a big boy conference.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    May 20, 2014 4:32 p.m.

    CougarColby- The truth of the matter is there was never ANY DISCUSSION of byu in the PAC-10 expansion. When byu was mentioned they said and I quote, "Ya, there is byu.... Ah, so who else is there?" End of story.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    May 20, 2014 4:32 p.m.

    Sports Are Great.

    You are looking at the immediate future. Now, take a step back and look to the future. With only 2-3 decent teams a year, how will BYU strength of schedule look then? The Power 5 have made it very clear how strength of schedule will be determined. MWC is looking at how they will navagate their role in bigger bowls and scheduling teams with poor strength of schedules will not assist their efforts.

    GO UTES!

  • 311ute Reno, NV
    May 20, 2014 4:39 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs - I love the honesty. I am very concerned about the Y's schedule and future. Yes, I am a U fan but I grew up in SLC loving the rivalry and I appreciate what the Y is and what they have to offer. You are right, it will be a crappy home schedule as everyone else already is booked. I am just shocked with the level of complacency and naiveness from the majority of Y fans that a good or complete schedule will just suddenly appear.

    MyPerspective - You are right, it's an uphill battle that our Y friends wont even recognize or worry about. I guess I'll grab that popcorn and enjoy the next few years of the Great BYU Independence Project.

    However, I do wonder what it's like for Bronco when a recruiting visit goes as such:
    Potential Recruit - Who are you playing at home my Freshman or Sophomore year (2016 and beyond)?
    Bronco - I don't know but we don't worry about that. We are BYU, people will come.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    May 20, 2014 4:39 p.m.

    CougarColby:

    I love it when BYU fans state that they "have a friend/family member" who knows how the deal really went down. This reminds me of another poster, duckhunter not to name names, who comes out with similar comments from time to time. Don't post comments if you are not willing to name your friend/family member. It makes you look like a duck.

    Go UTES!

  • Bob Santaquin, UT
    May 20, 2014 4:46 p.m.

    If it become necessary, BYU could start a new conference along with BSU and SDSU as anchors. And align itself with thew AAC in the East. I can think of several Western teams that would jump at the chance. The reason the like attempt failed is BYU wouldn't join to be with the Beast, now that the Beast is no longer in the picture and the AAC is, it just might be an option that'll work for BYU. It's exposure that BYU wants, and the AAC is spread out pretty good!

    BYU football is far from dead!

    Bob

  • WJCoug South Jordan, Utah
    May 20, 2014 4:53 p.m.

    Hey Wookie - your reality is already here - 3 conference wins a year! Enjoy!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 20, 2014 4:56 p.m.

    CougarColby:

    "I hate to burst your bubble here, but in reality the Pac 12 wanted BYU ahead of Utah and Colorado when they were making plans to add to the conference."

    Nope. You made that up. That can't be supported anywhere. How frantic and emotional of you.

    P.S.: Utah sells more paraphernalia than the Y, and had been doing so since before our Sugar Bowl season.

  • Missouri loves BYU Lebanon, MO
    May 20, 2014 4:57 p.m.

    When BYU was part of the MWC it was miserable trying to watch BYU games while living on the East Coast. We only ended up being able to watch a few games a year. I can only imagine how it was impacting recruiting LDS Players across the country who knew that their friends and family would struggle to ever watch them play. Getting out from under The MWC television package was a huge improvement. I have watched nearly every game since. I am confident that things will work out. They always do.

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 4:59 p.m.

    Wookie,

    You are still confusing the strength of schedule impact that byu could have on MWC teams vs. byu's strength of schedule. BYU has been playing a MWC schedule essentially for the last several decades, including thus far in independence. And yet byu is ranked higher than any mountain west team and half of all power conference teams, meaning byu provide a greater strength of schedule boost to MWC teams than many power conference teams. This happens even if byu has a bad strength of schedule themselves, provided byu maintains a high enough ranking even with that bad schedule.

    Two separate things wookie. Like I said, if Alabama played in the MWC that wouldn't suddenly mean they wouldn't provide a big strength of schedule boost to other teams - even if their strength of schedule(by virtue of having a MWC schedule) is weak.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 20, 2014 5:02 p.m.

    Kaysvillecoug:
    "Cougsndawgs: I expect to see that kind of pessimism from a Ute fan, not a cougar fan. For those who don't like independence, what do you propose?"

    It's not pessimism it's reality. Hopefully Holmoe and administrators also see the scheduling concerns as reality and are working the phones and frequent flier miles. I hate agreeing with ute fans but you guys really need to look at what's happening here and realize that without working on conference affiliation, it is only going to get worse and more difficult remaining relevant and playing at the highest level of CFB. I've stated on other articles what I propose. Go to the Big 12 and continue where you left off except leave all demands except Sunday play at the door. IMHO the Big 12 will have to expand because the P5 will pressure them to do what the rest of them are doing if they want P5 status. How do you think it will play out when a Big 12 team gets in the playoff while sitting at home & a P5 front runner loses in a CCG and is left out?

    Wookie:
    I named my relative, are you happy?

  • Kiboo South Jordan, Utah
    May 20, 2014 5:04 p.m.

    You're being disingenuous Navel. What do you expect PAC 10 officials to do, come out and admit religious bigotry??? Not going to happen.

    BYU has more money, better facilities, better following nationally, more well-rounded sports program, and a better history than Utah. Not even close.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 20, 2014 5:08 p.m.

    kaysvillecougar:

    "Relax guys. most of us BYU fans really aren't that worried about the schedule in 2-3 yrs."

    You're worried. And so is Holmoe. That's why he's been flying all over the South meeting with commissioners from the SEC and ACC, and with results that make all the more worrisome. We can tell. And you should be.

    Utah fans on the other hand, are NOT worried. What have we to worry about? We just have to win our games, and we're in. You guys....not so much.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    May 20, 2014 5:32 p.m.

    I would expect the MWC to regularly review its relationship with the Y. The Y has lost some bargaining value recently and doesn't hold all of the cards that it once did. For example, I enjoy USU playing the Y each year but no longer on a two for one.

    One problem I have with all of the focus on championship bowl games is that it takes away from the joy college football. College football should be more about conference titles and rivalry games than about finding out what team is the NC.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 5:45 p.m.

    Peavler: "With the walls starting to ominously rise around the so-called "Power 5" conferences, the Mountain West needs as many friends as it can get."
    The MWC needs friends on the inside of the wall. BYU is on the outside. What good does it do to be friends with an outsider?

  • Jeremy234 SLC, UT
    May 20, 2014 5:48 p.m.

    Wow! Are BYU fans really so delusional that they are trying to spin THIS into a positive? Mental gymnastics for the win. Hey at least you guys are better than my Utes, which is what you seem to somehow be able to tell yourselves despite losing four straight to us. Also, Kiboo, it's not religious bigotry. Utah is, and was especially at that time, a top flight program that had just won two recent BCS games. BYU was not anywhere close to that.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 6:15 p.m.

    @ Kiboo and Colby

    BYU doesn't meet the basic academic requirements to be members of the PAC-12. It's not bigotry. Utah is just a better fit.

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    May 20, 2014 6:32 p.m.

    Orlando Sentinal preseason poll has utah ranked 101st. yes you read that correctly 101st. That is definitely evidence of the respsect being in a "power" conference brings to a program.if utah wasn't in the pac12 they would probably be ranked 119th. lol

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    May 20, 2014 7:30 p.m.

    What was he thinking?

    In his jealousy and anger he's thinking he can hurt BYU.

    Instead, since the Mountain West is primarily, after the departure of BYU, Utah and TCU, a weak conference, he looks like a whiny fool. (Newsflash: even with Boise State's fine program the conference is, with its current members, not the ACC, the Big-10, etc.)

  • GaryS Leesburg, VA
    May 20, 2014 7:46 p.m.

    Oh yes, I remember Craig Thompson now--the weird uncle of college athletics.

    Doesn't he have handlers or something?

  • WhoRtheUtes??? Elko, NV
    May 20, 2014 8:17 p.m.

    The Orlando Sentinel's college insider Matt Murschel has ranked all 128 Football Bowl Subdivision teams in the country entering the 2014 season. The Sentinel staff will take a closer look at a new team daily, counting backward from No. 128 to our projected No. 1 team.

    Today at No. 101: Utah Utes

    Coach: Kyle Whittingham (76-39, entering 10th season; 76-39 overall)

    2013 record: 5-7 (2-7 in Pac-12 Conference, 5th in South Division)

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 20, 2014 8:34 p.m.

    I hope Thompson and the rest of the Mid-Major Conference Commissioners read this article.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 9:00 p.m.

    311ute

    Once again, you're desperately trying to paint a picture of gloom and doom for BYU, in order to soothe you're own angst about the possibility of an Independent BYU continuing to outshine PAC 12 Utah.

    The writing is on the wall that being a punching bag for the big boys of the PAC and spending bowl week at home on the couch isn't nearly as exciting as U thought it would be, especially when BYU continues to play regularly in nationally televised regular season and bowl games.

  • agarrett PROVO, UT
    May 20, 2014 9:19 p.m.

    One of the best articles I've read in the DesNews in a long time. Jolly good show!

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 9:30 p.m.

    2fer

    "BYU doesn't meet the basic academic requirements to be members of the PAC-12."

    Yet, somehow when the PAC 12/Big 12 South merger talks were ongoing, the PAC 12 was ready and willing to accept with open arms, Oklahoma State, which has the exact same High Research rating as BYU.

    In other words, the PAC 12's "basic academic requirements" were nothing more than a "want to have", than a "requirement".

  • TXBYUFAN Spring, TX
    May 20, 2014 10:01 p.m.

    Utah is in some great company with their ranking on the previously mentioned Orlando Sentinel article:

    No. 101 Utah

    No. 102 Louisiana Tech

    No. 103 Wyoming

    No. 104 UTEP

    No. 105 New Mexico

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    May 20, 2014 10:17 p.m.

    Independence not the best idea.
    I remember people have said give it some time to get good scheduling. BYU announced almost 4 years ago, but look at the P5 teams scheduled to come to Provo. (This is not just November, this is the entire season).

    2014: Virginia
    2015: None
    2016: None

    After BYU plays Virginia this September, no power conference school will be coming to Provo until Utah comes in 2017.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    May 20, 2014 10:32 p.m.

    Things I learned by reading this article and the comments

    1- Utah fans ALWAYS comment more on BYU articles then on Utah articles....
    2- Thompson was a terrible commissioner who lost Utah, TCU, and BYU in the same year and is small and petty
    3- BYU has a great rivalry going with Utah State and Boise State that all three schools enjoy
    4- BYU will NEVER return to the MWC nor should they.
    5- Utah's arrogance is baffling ... Yes you are in the PAC12 but you are the 12th place team... Big deal
    6- College football has become less competitive... every year the top 8 teams are usually the same 8 teams year after year.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 11:33 p.m.

    Uncle Rico

    Unfortunately for U, the only thing the Utes have gotten out of playing a P5 heavy schedule is one mediocre season, two losing, bowl less seasons, and a "prestigious" preseason #101 ranking from SEC country for the coming season.

    btw, remind us the last time an SEC team visited RES. How about Texas or Notre Dame or Florida St or Miami or Penn St?

    Utah fans beat their chests about playing built-in games versus PAC 12 teams, but the Utes themselves are incapable of scheduling OOC home games against the truly elite programs of college football.

    Michigan, in 2015, will be the first, and ONLY, elite OOC team ever to visit Utah, a scheduling mistake that the Wolverines probably regretted as soon as the talked about PAC 12 / B1G scheduling agreement was dropped.

  • CTJ fan Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 11:47 p.m.

    Big 12 Call yet, the name of your screen name tells me that BYU is bigger than what you say, you seem to have them on your mind. But let's look at this and this is for you too Chris B, BYU would have been the selection in the Pac12 over Utah if they would have played on Sundays, this is the reason and only reason your there and NOT BYU. In every article that talks about history and respect in the college landscape they talk about BYU NOT Utah. So get over yourselves, the fact is Utah could never have had the success BYU had as an independent there's not many universities that would. Maybe your fascination with BYU should tell you that,you know you've made it when you've got people who love you and hate you so much that they have to take a shot anytime they can. Thanks to fans like you BYU will always be relevant!

  • slcftball Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 11:53 p.m.

    Please.

    BYU fans try and play a big boy schedule sometime this century. You are 2-12 against ranked opponents your last 14 games.

    Translation- you aren't relevant right now. You don't deserve to play SEC schools.

    Utah- do nott know why you fans comments so much on BYU. Like you are king of the hill. Ha- you are chum for the real PAC12 football teams. You get the heck beat out of you and haven't had a winning season since joining the PAC.

    Translation- win something before you talk so much. Your comments carry no weight. Try and sit at the big boy table in any PAC sport please.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2014 12:57 a.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    Smack from a pre-season poll, published in an Orlando Newspaper?

    C'mon man. You're better than that.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2014 1:12 a.m.

    @ Bob

    I think you're over estimating BYU. If they tried to invent their own conference it would be a disaster. First off, where would the t.v. money and bowl tie-ins come from? BYU could barely secure a bowl for themselves. Negotiating to secure bowl for a whole conference is a very tall order. Not to mention, the new "BYU Conference" would still not be considered a P5 conference, so what wold make BSU and SDSU (and the other western teams you think would come) pay the exit fee in their conference for what would be, at best, a lateral move?

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    May 21, 2014 1:17 a.m.

    Craig Thompson is way off. Did any one notice that the Mountain network only went off the air after BYU left. Not Utah, not TCU but BYU. Cougar ratings were bigger by far than any other team. Craig Thompson should welcome the Cougars to play against his conference teams.

    Honestly, I don't know how this guy keeps his job.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2014 1:30 a.m.

    @ Justmythoughts

    1- Both fan bases comment on each other's articles. It's normal. The reason for the high number of comments on BYU/conference stories is because it is a very important story about our main rival.

    2- Thompson is indeed a terrible commissioner. However, that had nothing to do with why Utah and TCU left.

    3- I don't think USU is enjoying the rivalry, but BYU does have a good thing going with BSU and the Aggies.

    4- Probably not. But I can see BYU heading to the AAC

    5- I don't think Utah fans are the arrogant ones here. It's BYU fans who have been saying that they can create their own conference if they need to. Or just read the body of this article! It doesn't get more arrogant than that. Also, FWIW Utah has never finished 12th in the PAC. Either way, at least we're IN.

    6- It flows. Ten years ago Utah and Cal were in the top 10, Colorado won the Big XII North, and Alabama went 6-6. Obviously the landscape is dramatically different now. CFB is as competitive as ever.

  • Adirondack Cougar Loon Lake, NY
    May 21, 2014 5:03 a.m.

    Another article to stir the pot.
    BYU went indy because the alternative at the time was stay in a much weaker conference with no exposure.
    ESPN has helped BYU with exposure. Independence has helped with exposure and recruiting, we will see if that trend continues. We are no longer a western U.S. team, we are building a national brand, and it will take many years to complete the process.
    As the college football landscape shifts BYU may like to get back into a conference, but that is too early to tell. Some of this is out of BYU's control because if bigotry is at play we will never be invited, so it is what it is.
    The playoff will not stay at 4 teams for very long as there are currently 5 'power' conferences. When it goes to 8 teams the landscape will change again.
    Scheduling has it's up and downs. The team just needs to focus on wins no matter who they are playing and good things will happen. Just because the publicly released schedule only shows a few games for 2016 you can bet there are a lot more already lined up. Keep the faith.

  • CougarColby Fort Benning, GA
    May 21, 2014 5:24 a.m.

    Naval Vet,

    I don't need to blast out the ties I have and who they are. If you don't believe my earlier comment...I don't really care. I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

    BYU would still be a better fit logically. More well rounded athletic program, a bigger market share in TV media, historically significance, sales, game attendance, traveling crowd, etc. etc. etc. It makes a much better fit financially.

    Admittedly, finances are not the only thing that goes into decision making. Utah has had far more national success in the recent past which was obviously a plus in the decision making. But with Utah (and Colorado), the PAC12 could get their 12 school league and not upset the balance of power. Do you think Oregon, Stanford, USC and UCLA would have been okay with a Notre Dame or Texas joining the league? Nope, don't want to shift the balance of power. With Utah there isn't a worry, so the vote was easy. The rest of the country sees your couple years of success just like Boise State's, abnormal at best.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    May 21, 2014 5:25 a.m.

    Independence = homeless. I hate it. I mourne for my Cougars. Sad days.

  • cougar76 Raleigh, NC
    May 21, 2014 7:13 a.m.

    Justmythoughts,too.
    1. In many cases u trolls comment on BYU articles more than the BYU fans.
    2. He must know someone.
    3. ...and rivalries are what make college football fun.
    4. Couldn't agree more. I never want to see Wyoming on the schedule again.
    5. The u is riding the coat tails of the winning b5 teams all while playing midmajor quality football. They would struggle to compete with the upper tier mid-majors.
    6. ...and their proposed conference changes aim to keep it that way.

  • fcbenjamin Chittenango, NY
    May 21, 2014 7:32 a.m.

    The back and forth between Ute fans and Cougar fans was going on when I first set foot at the U of U for grad school in 1972, and it has never ceased in intensity and trash. Will the National Championship ever come to Utah? Very doubtful, but at leat they are in a conference that can get them into the playoffs, IF THEY CAN WIN THE PAC 12. Will BYU ever see another National Championship? No, not as an independent, and not as a member of a conference that the Power 5 are relegating to second-class status.

    But what really caught my eye as I read th comments is how ignorant some commenters are. The FCS is D II? Really? FBS, FCS, D II, D III, NAIA, in descending order. Not that hard to remember. Ask North Dakota State if they understand the difference between the FCS and D II. If you expect your comment to be taken seriously, you really should not throw out evidence that you might not have a clue.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    CTJ fan
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "But let's look at this and this is for you too Chris B, BYU would have been the selection in the Pac12 over Utah if they would have played on Sundays, this is the reason and only reason your there and NOT BYU."

    Again, your dreaming makes byu the victim which makes you feel better. Nothing new here. Further, you have absolutely no support for your assertion. Do you know why? Because it doesn't exist. byu is not a Pac-12 caliber school. Never has been, is not now, and most certainly will never be. The Pac-12 knows it and that's all that matters.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2014 7:49 a.m.

    BleedCougarBlue
    Enid, OK

    "In his jealousy and anger he's thinking he can hurt BYU.

    Instead, since the Mountain West is primarily, after the departure of BYU, Utah and TCU, a weak conference, he looks like a whiny fool. (Newsflash: even with Boise State's fine program the conference is, with its current members, not the ACC, the Big-10, etc.)"

    You should temper your comments a bit, BleedCougarBlue. Given the number of games byu has on future schedules with MWC teams, make no mistake about it, the MWC can hurt byu. Although byu fans love to feel persecuted, the MWCs goal is to take care of their post season needs not to hurt byu. byu is not at the center of the universe as you people believe.

  • CodyCougar Madison, SD
    May 21, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    BYU only has itself to blame--well really Cecil Samuelson and Tom Holmoe. Samuelson is resting comfortably in the Crimson lounge, and Holmoe is just trying to avert disaster. What a fool-hearty knee-jerk reaction to leave the MWC when Utah left. We will be decades recovering from this--and the whole thing may encourage the senior brethren (UU grads by the way) to discontinue BYU athletics. Don't be surprised.

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    May 21, 2014 8:09 a.m.

    @2fer

    "Smack from a pre-season poll, published in an Orlando Newspaper?"

    I understand you don't like to face reality, yet reality still is what it is regardless of your desire to face it. That is an excellent example of how national media, and in particular the media from sec/acc country, perceive the utah football program.

    Now why is this relevent to what we are discussing? Because utah "fans" like youself have spent the last several days on the articles about BYU and it's scheduling challenges telling BYU fans that these other conferences and national media perceive them to be non competitive and unworthy of playing them etc. Yet here we see that they not only perceive utah to be worse than BYU despite utah's membership in the pac12 but they actually think of them as one of the very worst teams in all of college football ranking them below 100.

    lol

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    May 21, 2014 8:11 a.m.

    I believe that the shift in College Football is going to create a wider and wider chasm between the P5 and everyone else. Each entity will seeks its own best interests, unfotunately for BYU they are alone. Conferences have some strength in numbers and will do what is best for the interests of their schools. BYU is not part of that equation, they don't care if BYU thrives or languishes.

    If the MWC decides to limit noncoference games to September (like PAC12) or maybe the first half of the season, then what? The cougs will howl about vindictiveness but shouldn't a conference try and keep the focus on conference play as the season concludes?

    As has been stated earlier in the comments, BYU has very little control regarding its situation. Yep, I know, 'We are independent and can do whatever we choose. We do not follow the whims of any conference'. You are, however, at the mercy of other entities, it takes two parties (minimum) to reach an agreement. As other entities dictate what is in their best interest, BYU will probably be left behind.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 21, 2014 8:11 a.m.

    2fer

    "FWIW Utah has never finished 12th in the PAC."

    Utah is currently dead last in the PAC 12 in baseball. The ONLY reason Utah isn't 12th is Colorado doesn't even have a baseball team.

    11th, 12th, whatever, it doesn't really matter; the Utes have consistently finished at or near the bottom of the PAC 12 in most sports.

    In 2013-14:
    Football - 10th
    M Basketball - 8th
    W Basketball - 11th
    Baseball - 11th of 11
    Softball - 6th of 9
    W Volleyball - 8th

    btw, Colorado has been in the dumps in football for almost a decade. In conference play, the Buffs are only a little worse than Utah, but the Utes are closing the gap:

    Colo: 2-7, 1-8, 1-8
    Utah: 4-5, 3-6, 2-7

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 21, 2014 8:24 a.m.

    CodyCougar

    Thanks for your concern, troll, but BYU will be fine - just some growing pains.

    That $400 million backlog in deferred maintenance at the U should be more concerning to the long-term viability of a certain Utah sports program - spending millions on new football and basketball practice facilities, while science buildings on the hill are crumbling, is the real disaster waiting to happen.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    May 21, 2014 8:25 a.m.

    @Wookie

    There are usually five or six decent teams on the schedule each year. Boise State, Texas, UCF, Houston and USU are all great teams at the moment with several others likely to be bowl eligible yet again.

    I am HOPING that Savannah State brings its marching band. If they do I will be grabbing tickets just to see them jump and jive!!! I am being serious about that one. Never been able to see a SWAC marching band in person and this may be the best chance yet.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    May 21, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    It's laughable that Utah fans think the DN is pro-BYU when (a) it keeps serving up red-meat articles like this one, which have no purpose other than to bait BYU haters, and (b) it disallows comments pointing out that, whereas BYU may not be the "Lord's" university, it ~is~ the LDS church's university and a significant aspect of the church's public face. So, how about it, U fans? You've left BYU, but can you leave it alone?

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    May 21, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    slcftball

    "BYU fans try and play a big boy schedule sometime this century."

    First of all, unlike Utah fans (see last BYU-Utah game at RES) BYU fans don't actually participate on the field.

    Second, BYU played the 38th toughest schedule in the country in 2013, which was tougher than ANY schedule in Utah's entire history, prior to 2013.

    Third, BYU played FIVE ranked teams in 2012, including one of the teams that played in the BCS championship game; Utah only played TWO.

    Thanks for playing.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    May 21, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    We totally carried the weak, but strong when we were there, Mwc.
    They owe us anything we want plus we are eSPNs favorite team. and the MWC will never be that.
    We are totally fine independent, way better than MWC

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    May 21, 2014 8:44 a.m.

    Good to hear someone calling out Thompson. Certainly he was motivated by spite. I think he clearly said to BYU, "You can never trust me because I carry a grudge longer than a former high school sweetheart. Oh and please I need to spin my past as if you are at fault for leaving the MWC. I hope nobody remembers about the lies I told about potential tv contracts."

  • Hochmut West Jordan, UT
    May 21, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    So much discussion that goes nowhere; of the "Power 5 Conferences", there are only a handful of teams that could potentially win a NC: FL State, Miami and Clemson (maybe); OK, TX, OK State (maybe); OSU, Wisc, MSU or Mich; ND; Oregon, Stanford, USC, UCLA (maybe); AL, Auburn; GA, LSU; that is about it; 20 teams, tops. So the other teams can just look through the window with BYU and hope to get a piece of the pie. With BYU, they get a smaller pie, but it is all theirs and they don't have to split it with anyone.

    Plus I like the variety of games across the country and it will continue to be a balance of good and weak teams. The mission of the university is being fulfilled and I'm enjoying the games where ever they may be played. Go Cougars!

  • hymn to the silent Holladay, UT
    May 21, 2014 9:04 a.m.

    Let's be honest, nobody cares what Thompson says anyway. And nobody could have predicted how college football would shift even five years ago. I too, have tight connection to not only the pac12 process, but to Holmoe's crew. BYU going independent was not a knee jerk reaction. It was plan B, and it was very well thought out. Unfortunately, the explosion among leagues left them scrambling to fill their schedule. But they can still get quality opponents, and still look good for their audience around the Country. Utes to the PAC12 was a very deliberate decision. BYU and U were both in the discussion, but it came down to more than football...even though most on the committee felt like Utah had a slight edge there. It was the whole package: academics, international reputation, research, athletics, alumni, audience...Two great Universities, both doing great things.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    No playoff for U
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "Utah fans beat their chests about playing built-in games versus PAC 12 teams, but the Utes themselves are incapable of scheduling OOC home games against the truly elite programs of college football."

    What? Utah doesn't need P5 teams in their OOC. We have a steady stream of P5 teams rolling through Salt Lake City every year. A dearth of P5 teams and a compelling home schedule is byu's problem...certainly not Utah's. LOL!

    Good luck to byu in scheduling elite games (home or away) in the new era.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    May 21, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    Jarvis, I love your comment about the Band. Thank you for bring a dose of reality.

    Duckhunter, seriously, you are digging deep to find that poll. Do you really want to post something like that. You can report it as abuse and they will remove it. You should see if they have a abuse function that relates to pathetic attempt.

    Go UTES!

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 21, 2014 9:58 a.m.

    little perspective

    The point isn't whether Utah needs P5 OOC games on their schedule, the point is elite OOC teams aren't even interested in playing Utah, especially on the road - no SEC team and none of the elite teams of the ACC (Miami, Florida St) have ever played at RES.

  • CodyCougar Madison, SD
    May 21, 2014 10:11 a.m.

    Riddles in the Dark

    You stay in the dark--in denial. It's apparently more comfortable for you there. BYU athletics is lacking in leadership, and the train wreck isn't over yet.

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    May 21, 2014 10:23 a.m.

    @wookie

    I can see it cuts you deeply. I didn't "dig deep" for it at all, it was widely reported. The Sentinal does these rankings every year and they are reported every year. Face the facts the utah football program is perceived to be pathetic and bad and this is simply more evidence of that truth. Just because a utah "fan" like yourself doesn't like to face the reality of it doesn't make it any less real. lol

    Ranked 101st out of 129 isn't much evidence of the respect you utah "fans" seem to be under the delusion that the utah football program has, or in reality doesn't have.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    Marked it Down
    Park City, UT

    "The point isn't whether Utah needs P5 OOC games on their schedule, the point is elite OOC teams aren't even interested in playing Utah, especially on the road - no SEC team and none of the elite teams of the ACC (Miami, Florida St) have ever played at RES."

    You are living in the past (typical). The Utes don't need an elite OOC team on their schedule (though they have Michigan the next two years) they already have 9. The SEC / ACC want 9 as well, hence the pickle in which byu finds itself. So, Marked it Down, there is an entire conference interested in playing Utah at home and on the road. What the Utes need are quality non-P5 games but the pool of quality non-P5 teams decreased by 1 this week.

    You can't take what byu desperately wants and assume Utah can't get it. That is just emotional and frantic.

    Repeat after me...Utah IN...byu OUT and fading fast!

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 21, 2014 10:37 a.m.

    CodyCougar

    Actually, BYU has great leadership in their athletic department - the issue outsiders fail to understand is that BYU athletics fills a much larger role for the mission of BYU and the LDS church than simply winning games and championships.

    BYU must manage that mission in harmony with the values of the school/church and the ever-changing landscape of college athletics.

    Craig Thompson and his ill-conceived The MTN and broken promises about BYU's rights to broadcast/re-broadcast BYU sporting events was the primary motivation for BYU leaving the MWC.

    BYU significantly improved it's national and international broadcast footprint, while having to deal with the inherent difficulties of scheduling 12 games per season, instead of only 3 or 4.

    It's a trade-off, but one that was needed.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    May 21, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    Duckhunter
    Highland , UT
    @2fer

    I understand you don't like to face reality, yet reality still is what it is regardless of your desire to face it. That is an excellent example of how national media, and in particular the media from sec/acc country, perceive the utah football program.

    Now why is this relevent to what we are discussing? Because utah "fans" like youself have spent the last several days on the articles about BYU and it's scheduling challenges telling BYU fans that these other conferences and national media perceive them to be non competitive and unworthy of playing them etc. Yet here we see that they not only perceive utah to be worse than BYU despite utah's membership in the pac12…..
    lol

    ________

    Yep, lol.

    All of the emotional thoughts and feelings is not going to change what power conferences think of BYU football. All you are left with is criticizing Utah.

    "I understand you don't like to face reality, yet reality still is what it is regardless of your desire to face it."

    True indeed Duckhunter, true indeed. Said so yourself.

    Absolutely classic!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 21, 2014 10:48 a.m.

    CodyCougar,
    You couldn't have put it better. That's how things have been in happy valley since that infamous decision to go independent.

    Duckhunter,
    "Face the facts." Now that's a funny one from a happy valley fan.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 21, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    little perspective

    "The Utes don't need an elite OOC team on their schedule (though they have Michigan the next two years) they already have 9."

    What difference does it make who U have on your schedule if U aren't even good enough to finish with a winning record?

    In order to get an invitation to the playoffs, the Utes are going to have to finish with at least an 11-2 record with a win in the PAC 12 championship game.

    In their entire football history, the Utes have only managed TWO 11+ win seasons, NONE with a SOS ranked in the Top 40.

    Despite your improved SOS, the Utes aren't even as close to qualifying for the playoffs as BYU - at the very minimum, U have to qualify for a bowl.

    Utah - looking through the crimson-colored glasses and thinking they're in, when they're really OUT.

    BYU - being projected as a possible playoff buster and actually having a chance to be IN.

  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    May 21, 2014 10:59 a.m.

    MyPerspective
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Repeat after me...Utah IN...byu OUT and fading fast!

    I about wet myself with laughter. It should read "Utah in and forgotten!!" (in just 3 years non the less) BYU out and yet more known then ever. I am reminding everybody that I predicted this when Utah joined the Pac 10.2. Cellar dwellers and forgotten about. 101 in the Orlando sentinel. OUCH!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 21, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    ekute

    Face the facts yourself; Utah's football program has been in steady decline since 2008:

    13-0, 10-3 ranked, 10-3 unranked, 8-5(4-5), 5-7(3-6), 5-7(2-7)

    The writing is on the wall; Utah fans are still living in denial that 2004 and 2008 were the new norm for Utah, instead of simply being an anomally for an historically mediocre program.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    I know exactly how football fans in the South perceive Utah. I was in New Orleans for the Sugar Bowl, and their opinions were quite condescending. However, all that proved irrelevant when Utah was walking off the field, trophy in hand.

    Here's the reality that you may not like: It's a pre-season poll in an Orlando (not national) newspaper. It means nothing.

    Here's why your post is completely irrelevant to the discussion: Utah is in a P5 conference, and has a minimum of 9 games against P5 teams each season. Utah has no scheduling challenges. That is a wonderful benefit of being IN. BYU has been struggling to keep its head above water as far as scheduling goes, and things just got a whole lot tougher.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    Y's little brother
    Sandy, UT

    idaho cougar fan
    Twin Falls, ID

    It is fun to watch the new era of college football unfold for byu fans as they continue to be smug and in denial.

    Go Utes!
    Go Pac-12!

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    May 21, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    We may be celler dwellers in the PAC but we are in a prestegous conference and you are not so that makes us prestegous and not you.

    Go Utes!

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    May 21, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    little perspective

    It's laughable to watch the new era of college football unfold for Utah fans who continue to live in denial that being in a big boy conference hasn't made you anything more than cannon fodder for the big boys of the conference.

    The only thing U have to look forward at the end of the season is the annual pillow fight in the rockies against a "rival" that couldn't care less about U.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2014 11:37 a.m.

    Many of us are contributing to the demise of byu football and I'm proud to be part of it.

    The big 12, pac 12(us), SEC, ACC, and now MWC are all contributing to the downfall of byu football by not giving them what they want.

    I will look back and be proud to have watched and been a part of all of this.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    May 21, 2014 11:46 a.m.

    BYU is competive with Boise State and Utah State and so these are great games. BYU showed that they are not competitive with Notre Dame, Wisconsin and Washington. It was so hard to watch the Cougars get thrashed by these ranked teasms. I actually bought into the concept that BYU was going to be competitive with ranked teams but that was not the reality.Cougar football has not closed the deal for me that independence was a smart move. Yes the contract with ESPN gives more exposure but if they can't win or at least be very competitive in key games is it really that good.Why can't BYU beat Utah? They played at LES last year and they looked awful when will the cougars get to next level?

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    May 21, 2014 11:49 a.m.

    Duckhunter, you always make me smile. Thank you. I am not certain why so many BYU fans perceive their team as a powerhouse that should be included in the Big 5 as the Notre Dame of the West. This is certainly not the case as evidenced by recent comments from the larger conferences as the lack of affiliation with BYU. Reality is the facts. Ranking Utah as they did is a ranking, it is a prediction, it is not fact. However, the snubbs that BYU is receiving from the Power 5 is a fact, it is reality.

    Go UTES.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 21, 2014 12:08 p.m.

    Wookie,
    And changing the subject doesn't change reality.

  • My PAC12 Sticker is Awesome! SARATOGA SPRINGS, UT
    May 21, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    At the risk of getting pulled into a stupid conversation...

    First off, just stop talking about BYU relaxing its Sunday play rule. It will NEVER happen. Anyone suggesting that they should do that clearly doesn't have a clue about BYU.

    Secondly, while many of us fans would love to see the Cougs have another shot at a national title, for most of us it honestly doesn't consume our thoughts or ruin our enjoyment of the game that they might not. Since going independent, we have seen some pretty darn good teams on the schedule, and a bunch of teams that aren't so good. How is that any different than the past. At least we are seeing teams we haven't beat up on in the past. Might as well beat up on some new ones.

    Finally, most of us are not jealous of Utah, now matter how big your PAC12 stickers are.

    One thing is for sure, not matter what happens, no matter how hard you try, we will always be BYU and you won't.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    May 21, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    Flashback to Naval Vet: BYU already had their "ducks" in place to move to Indy. They were just waiting for a good time to move. When Utah elected to make their move, BYU decided they would make their move at that time, probably to ease some tension and lessen the flack they knew would be coming from all directions. They just didn't foresee some Utah fans' being so critical of BYU doing the same thing that their own "beloved" Utah was doing - which is doing what is best for their school and their fans. I applaud what Utah has accomplished, as I do the same for what BYU has been able to accomplish. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next 5 years with college FB. Peace to all of y9u Utah, BYU, & Utah State fans. Let's enjoy the ride and cut the criticism of one anothers' programs. Better to pull for each other instead. That is the right thing to do.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2014 1:17 p.m.

    My PAC12 Sticker is Awesome!
    SARATOGA SPRINGS, UT

    "One thing is for sure, not matter what happens, no matter how hard you try, we will always be BYU and you won't."

    Now that is something to be grateful for. LOL!

  • fan in orem Orem, UT
    May 21, 2014 1:19 p.m.

    Chris B, what is it you did, exactly, to lead to BYU's demise? To all utes, because of your membership in the PAC, you will go far. I hope soon.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    May 21, 2014 2:19 p.m.

    CougarColby
    Fort Benning, GA
    Naval Vet,

    I don't need to blast out the ties I have and who they are. If you don't believe my earlier comment...I don't really care. I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

    ---------

    That's because he's right. You made that up.

    Just because YOU think BYU is a better overall fit in the Pac 12 doesn't mean the conference had them at the top of their list.

    That's about as delusional as it gets.

    Utah was chosen. BYU was denied. Get over it.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    May 21, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    My PAC12 Sticker is Awesome!
    SARATOGA SPRINGS, UT

    One thing is for sure, not matter what happens, no matter how hard you try, we will always be BYU and you won't.

    -------------

    Yea you are. And no we're not. We couldn't be more happy about that.

    And yep, you and every BYU fan on the planet is jealous of Utah. Deal with it.

    HA HA HA HA HA!

    Bye.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    May 21, 2014 2:41 p.m.

    breaking news:

    byu being investigated for major rules violation and giving improper benefits!

    The wheels on the byu bus are falling off and byu is headed for the end of byu football as we know it!

    LOL!

    Gooo Utes

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    May 21, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    MyPerspective: I was U one time: now I am Y. Very happy I'm not now U. lol

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 21, 2014 3:10 p.m.

    "Finally, most of us are not jealous of Utah, now matter how big your PAC12 stickers are."

    Pac-12Sticker:

    That's probably because you are satisfied with your myriad of annual slogans on your bookstore t-shirts.

    "Quest for Relevance" anyone?

  • Hamath Omaha, NE
    May 21, 2014 3:53 p.m.

    @ ChrisB

    If BYU goes down to irrelevance, that will not help your beloved U. SEC and other power conferences succeed because they play against the best. The PAC 12 will provide some firepower for the U to prove itself against. But BYU will be on the U's schedule for the foreseeable future on a regular basis. If...as you predict BYU becomes like Wyoming has been traditionally, then any U victories will be hollow. And any losses will have serious repercussions for bowl games. I don't really care one way or the other. But your "wishes" if they come to be will hurt the U too. Best case scenario for your U would be BYU becomes a powerhouse, that the U beats regularly. Not what you are so hot to trot about.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2014 5:00 p.m.

    to Naval Vet & flashback (pg 1)...

    As I recall, Espn had a decent offer on the table for the MWC (w/ the U and y) but greed and ego prevailed; they wanted their own network then did a poor job of getting their ducks in a row in that endeavor .

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    May 21, 2014 7:07 p.m.

    @Tomahawk Red
    "Utah was chosen. BYU was denied. Get over it."

    No, Colorado was chosen and Texas was chosen (who was supposed to bring along a number of Big 12 schools) and when Texas backed out at the last minute the Pac12 was stuck with 11 teams, panicked and was desperate to save face. At that point they were stuck with Colorado and had to do something. They couldn't afford to get rejected again after getting rejected by half of the Big 12 and had to settle with Utah.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    May 21, 2014 7:24 p.m.

    @2fer Flinching
    "I know exactly how football fans in the South perceive Utah. I was in New Orleans for the Sugar Bowl, and their opinions were quite condescending. However, all that proved irrelevant when Utah was walking off the field, trophy in hand...BYU has been struggling to keep its head above water as far as scheduling goes, and things just got a whole lot tougher"

    All that wasn't proved irrelevant. Nobody in SEC country or Alabama in particular sees Utah as the more deserving or better team. Even sportscasters on ESPN and other shows referred ad nauseum that it was clear that 'Bama was in full letdown mode after losing out on the conference title and spot in the National Championship and played like they were depressed while Utah had to play a near perfect game to win.

    Also, BYU hasn't been struggling to put schedules together. Last year's schedule was in the top 30 or so SOS with the majority of teams finishing bowl eligible at seasons end and went 1-1 vs ranked teams. If that's "struggling" then please let us "struggle" every season!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    May 21, 2014 7:55 p.m.

    @New to Utah
    "BYU showed that they are not competitive with Notre Dame, Wisconsin and Washington. It was so hard to watch the Cougars get thrashed by these ranked teasms."

    Fact check, the only one of those 3 teams that was ranked when BYU lost to them was Wisconsin. Neither Notre Dame or Washington was ranked. Also, FYI...BYU was 1-1 vs ranked teams last season trouncing Texas at home and losing to Wisconsin on the road.

    Speaking of "not competitive", back at the farm, your utes were 1-3 vs ranked teams but a couple of those were close so good on ya for the morale victories!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    May 22, 2014 12:06 a.m.

    BigCougar
    Bountiful, UT
    @Tomahawk Red
    "Utah was chosen. BYU was denied. Get over it."

    No, Colorado was chosen and Texas was chosen (who was supposed to bring along a number of Big 12 schools) and when Texas backed out at the last minute the Pac12 was stuck with 11 teams, panicked and was desperate to save face. At that point they were stuck with Colorado and had to do something. They couldn't afford to get rejected again after getting rejected by half of the Big 12 and had to settle with Utah.

    ____________

    Actually when Nebraska left for the BIG 10, Colorado was already packing it's bags to leave the Big 12 as well. Both got tired of Texas arrogance. Otherwise both NE and CO would still be there.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    May 22, 2014 10:02 a.m.

    I just chalk this up to another Craig Thompson blunder. It isn't as bad the the mtn TV deal he signed that forced Utah and BYU out of the MWC and nearly destroyed the conference completely, but it is more of the same type of thinking. He had a conference on the verge of gaining elite status with Utah, TCU and BYU playing at high enough levels to force recognition. Boise State was likely going to join the conference soon and that would have added strength to the argument. Once Utah and BYU left, TCU wasn't going to hang around and try to hold up the whole conference all by itself so they bailed to the Big 12 and Thompson had to scramble to save the conference and his job. I don't know why the universities that employ him allow him to keep his job, but it's not our concern anymore.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2014 11:11 a.m.

    @CougarColby
    "I hate to burst your bubble here, but in reality the Pac 12 wanted BYU ahead of Utah and Colorado when they were making plans to add to the conference. "

    BYU failed to meet their academic standards (it's not a Tier 1 Research Institution like Colorado and Utah).

  • Chessermesser West Valley City, UT
    May 22, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    Ho hum, Utah fans.

    Just a small question, though. When you Utah next go to a bowl?

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    May 22, 2014 3:37 p.m.

    @Mormon Ute

    I actually agree with most of that although once the PAC12 offered there is no chance utah was going to say "no" regardless of whether or not the MTN West was going to be upgraded in standing. And who can blame them? I have never said utah shouldn't have taken the pac12 offer, to even think they shouldn't have would be deluded. All I have ever said about it is that I doubt they will ever be more than occasionally competitive in any sport that matters and I do hold to that.

    By taking the pac12 offer utah assured itself of being included in the "haves" of college sports as far as affiliation and that was an important thing to accomplish, but at the same time they also sentenced themselves to an eternity of mediocrity as far as their conference, and the college athletics world, is concerned. They simply have to many negatives to ever be a true power in any major sport let alone multiple major sports.

    But they had to do it, it was really the only choice to make in my opinion.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    May 22, 2014 4:47 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    I agree with you on the point that Utah had to take the Pac 12 offer when it came and would have no matter what the status of the MWC was. My point was that Utah may not have gone looking so soon or courted the Pac 12 so readily had Thompson been smarter about the TV deal. Consequently the MWC may have remained a stronger conference and even gained stature.

    I have a question for you. Do you believe BYU would fair any better than Utah in one of the Power 5 conferences? I maintain they wouldn't and there is plenty of evidence to prove it. TCU who resoundingly trounced BYU a few times in the MWC is struggling in the Big 12. Also, in head to head competition with Utah over the past several years BYU has mostly been on par or worse than Utah. That would suggest that BYU's sports programs are at best on par with Utah and would be struggling as well.

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    May 22, 2014 8:40 p.m.

    @Mormon Ute

    I doubt BYU would have done any better in football than Utah has done to this point, probably about the same, but in basketball BYU would have been far better than Utah has been, I don't think that can even be questioned, and in the "other" sports I don't think there is much question BYU would have been better, BYU is generally a top 25 overall sports program and some of their minor sports are right at the top of collegiate sports.

    So in that aspect I absolutely believe BYU would have faired better, and would almost always get better results than Utah in almost everything else. I believe BYU has some advantages Utah doesn't in most of the minor sports, namely LDS athletes and international athletes, and their results year in and year out, not just one or two years, shows it.

    Yes Utah would sometimes be better in some of those things, and is better in some of them sometimes, but if you look at the overall histories between the two, and overall nationally, youll see BYU has almost always been dominant in the majority of them, and better on the national stage also.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2014 11:27 p.m.

    @ BigCougar

    Look at the teams traveling to LES this year, and especially in the next few years. It's not impressive, and it's going to get worse.

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    May 23, 2014 12:04 p.m.

    @2fer

    Actually you are wrong. This year is not bad no matter how much utah "fans" like to try to claim it will be. It is certainly as good, or better, than the mtn west schedule both schools used to play and since most of the teams coming in are new to the stadium there is some real interest in seeing most of them. Interest isn't just generated because the opponenent is top 10 or even top 25, there are other factors. Houston, Virginia and USU all hold interest and will be fun to attend.

    In future years there are several good opponents that we know are going to come to LES unless you don't consider Notre Dame, USC, Stanford, Arizona, Boise, utah, Cincinnati, and other similar teams "good" or "interesting".

    You know the false narrative utah "fans" constantly try to pass off as reality should embarrass you guys. BYU fans are aware that not every opponent coming to LES is going to be ranked in the top 10, but then only 10 teams are ranked in the top 10 so trying to make act as if anything less is a "bad" opponent or lacks interest is silly.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    Virginia is interesting? To who? This year is bad, 2015 is worse, 2016 is.....awful.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    May 23, 2014 7:32 p.m.

    BigCougar
    Bountiful, UT
    @Tomahawk Red
    "Utah was chosen. BYU was denied. Get over it."

    No, Colorado was chosen and Texas was chosen (who was supposed to bring along a number of Big 12 schools) and when Texas backed out at the last minute the Pac12 was stuck with 11 teams, panicked and was desperate to save face. At that point they were stuck with Colorado and had to do something. They couldn't afford to get rejected again after getting rejected by half of the Big 12 and had to settle with Utah.

    ----------

    And so I'll say again...

    Utah was chosen. BYU was denied. Get over it.

    LOL!

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    May 23, 2014 7:42 p.m.

    @Tomahawk Red

    and so I'll say it again, the Pac12 chose Texas, they were forced to settle for Utah instead.

    Get over it.

    LOL!!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 24, 2014 12:27 a.m.

    @ BigCougar

    Nobody here (except one notorious poster) is crazy enough to think that Utah is a better catch than Texas. I'm just happy Utah is IN

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 27, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    @MyPerspective
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Your perspective is so tainted by the romance of the Conference of Champions that it ignores the below average performance of utah. BYU is just fine thank you.

  • Duckhunter Highland , UT
    May 27, 2014 12:23 p.m.

    @2fer

    Yes Virginia is interesting for multiple reasons. One is they beat BYU last year so revenge is always interesting. Two is that I don't think they have ever been to BYU before so seeing them there will be interesting as well. Other interesting teams are coming, as I listed, it just doesn't fit your false narrative to admit the truth of it.

    But then of course there is always the fact that it neither concerns you nor does it affect you in the least. You don't attend BYu games, you aren't a season ticket holder, it really has nothing to do with you.

    I am a season ticket holder, since 1980 to be exact, and I find it interesting and that is what matters most.

    I can guaranty that if Virginia agreed to play at res you would be interested in it. Ditto Cincy, or UConn. Aren't you finding Fresno interesting this season? Of course you are and guess what, that makes you a hypocrite. lol

  • ET Syracuse, UT
    May 27, 2014 3:32 p.m.

    BYU can't even think of being big time when they lost to a 2-win Virginia team last year!
    They want to slam the Utes for being a bottom of the barrel Pac 12 team, but the Utes are 4-0 against them in the last 4 years.

    BYU did achieve their goal of national exposure. Now they are exposed to losing to big time schools on ESPN, not getting accepted to any power 5 conferences, and now their dirty laundry with a new scandal will soon be exposed.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    June 30, 2014 7:26 a.m.

    ET

    Utah can only pretend to be big time after losing, AT HOME, to a 10-loss Colorado team that hadn't won a road game in FOUR years.

    btw, BYU did achieve their goal of national exposure by DESTROYING Texas in a nationally televised game, rushing for 555 yards, the MOST rushing yards EVER given up by Texas.

    btw2, BYU's "dirty laundry" will be nothing more than players being allowed to sleep on a couch for a couple of days until their dorm or apartment became available.