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  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 19, 2014 10:53 p.m.

    Sounds like Thompson is still bitter about BYU leaving "his" conference.

    "At issue is whether independent BYU should be considered a strong enough team, from a strength of schedule standpoint, for other teams to count them as a non-conference Power 5 opponent..."

    In the 2014 Preseason Football Power Index (ESPN), BYU is ranked ahead of MORE THAN HALF of the teams in the P5 and well ahead of EVERY team in the MWC:

    #27 Washington
    #28 Oregon St
    #29 Notre Dame
    #30 Missouri

    #31 BYU

    #32 Arizona
    #33 Texas Tech
    #35 Virginia Tech
    #36 TCU
    #37 Iowa
    #38 Indiana
    #39 Maryland

    #40 Utah

    #41 Pittsburgh
    #42 Duke
    #43 Nebraska
    #44 Kansas St
    #45 Arkansas
    #46 Penn St
    #47 Georgia Tech

    #53 Boise St (highest ranked MWC team)
    #63 California
    #65 Nevada
    #66 Colorado
    #68 Fresno St

    #76 Utah St
    #78 Colorado St

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    May 19, 2014 10:56 p.m.

    Isn't Thompson the same guy that came up with "The Mountain?"

    Take a look at next year's MWC schedules. Which school's Strength of Schedule would come down because they were playing BYU instead of a Conference USA team?

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    May 19, 2014 10:58 p.m.

    Wow..... I'm speechless. The pressure is on to win out and win out big this year.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    May 19, 2014 11:04 p.m.

    The handwriting is on the wall for a once great football program. When your old conference will no longer take you back and one conference after another no longer considers you a "power" opponent, you are looking at the ranks of a DII program and elimination of athletics at BYU is not far behind. My question is how did the Cougars get to this position. Unfortunately, the answer is the AD.

  • Jeff29 Draper, UT
    May 19, 2014 11:12 p.m.

    At one point in time the MWC had the potential of being one of the top 4 conferences in the country. Thompson is one of the main reasons this didn't happen. I honestly can't believe that he's still the Commissioner.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    May 19, 2014 11:26 p.m.

    Oh PaaaLeeze! Thompson is so full of himself. Anyone who knows any history of the MWC knows he's to blame for BYU walking. If BYU was brought up it was probably people being hopeful scheduling will get tough enough that BYU might consider returning to MWC. Things would have to get a whole lot tougher than they are now and access to playoffs would have to get a lot better for the MWC (don't see that happening soon). Then they would have to give some sweet incentives for broadcasting. If you read the whole story at CBS, it makes a lot more sense. It's too early for anyone to come begging back to the MWC. Pfftt

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 19, 2014 11:40 p.m.

    “We're playing them more out of history, geography and convenience than schedule strength,” Thompson said of BYU."

    This after all the nice things byu fans have said about Thompson over the years. Shocking!

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    May 19, 2014 11:43 p.m.

    After decades of byu fans thinking they are better than everyone else and burning bridges everywhere they go, the PAC 12, big 12, acc, sec, and now even the WAC 2.0(mountain west) are talking down to byu!

    I joked about it happening, but it's quickly becoming reality.

    Byu and the rest of the mid majors are essentially division II schools at this point.

    No law suits will keep byu relevant any more than they will get byu invited to a big boy conference.

    We aren't inviting you

    The big 12 isn't inviting you after Holmoe acted like head Texas AD.

    Maybe the big 10 or the NFL will invite byu.

    Lol!

    Your program is finished!

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    May 19, 2014 11:51 p.m.

    Translation: Thompson wants BYU back in the MWC. That BSU game with Tennessee-Martin did wonders for BSU's strength of schedule.

  • ArgoFY Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 20, 2014 12:01 a.m.

    Until byu plays a P5 schedule, meaning playing 9+ games against top competition (in one season, and not spread out over 7 years), they should not and will not be considered to be a part of the big kids' table. Take the higher pre-season power ranking and whatever other small moral victories that get thrown byu's way; because winning out or not, byu's schedule this year just isn't going to impress anyone, as seen by the SEC, ACC, and now lowly MWC all agreeing that byu is anything but a power football program.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    May 20, 2014 12:09 a.m.

    Thompson has always been a troubling piece of work. But I think the issue here is that the MWC teams already have a weak schedule in their own conference and are looking to gain credibility by scheduling the (dreaded label) Power 5 teams in their non-conference slate. So despite the MWC obviously being below BYU's caliber, it makes sense I guess for them to consider not scheduling BYU even though their is no comparison with the SEC and MWC. The problem for BYU is that they have weak MWC teams on their schedule 3.5 times a year already, and if these games get dropped then we might be talking about a 3 for 1 with the YMCA of Idaho.

    Yes the SEC can still schedule BYU, but if they don't count as a non-conference Power 5, then why schedule and risk losing to BYU. I hear a lot of "we will be fine" comments about BYU and independence but I don't think most BYU fans realize how difficult the scheduling process could be moving forward. It has already been a fiasco the first three years of independence and it's looking increasingly worse by the day.

  • theDailyObserver Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 20, 2014 12:11 a.m.

    BYU's current snowballing predicament reminds me of the classic line from the movie "A Knight's Tale" that says, "You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting."

    And the fact that the Mountain West Conference of all entities has found BYU wanting is as gratifying as it is cathartic.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    May 20, 2014 12:31 a.m.

    BYU is in trouble. Plain and simple. This is not rocket science. It's like being snubbed on prom date, because you chose the other person, instead of your steady and your chosen one decided to dump you and your steady is now just "thinking" and "considering" you, after initially snubbing her. How sad. Rugby, anyone?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 12:58 a.m.

    I wonder if the MWC would be bold enough to take a shot at BYU and discourage members from scheduling the Cougars if they follow suit and decide to not recognize BYU as a P5 school. That would place a lot of pressure on BYU. It would also put Boise St. and Utah St. in an awkward spot. It'll be interesting to see what happens, but I can't image Thompson and Dodds would be foolish enough to try it...

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    May 20, 2014 5:29 a.m.

    BYU needs a conference in a bad way.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    May 20, 2014 5:33 a.m.

    I've been a huge BYU fan for over 40 years. But I have to say that BYU fans are always more concerned about what we think we deserve and with rankings vs. real results on the field. If we would just WIN our games against power teams, these issues would take care of themselves. I don't want us to TALK our way into championships. We need to EARN them. Boise St, TCU and Utah all got to better conferences by winning 2 BCS bowls apiece. BYU? Zero.

    I agree the current situation is unfair, but we need to make a better case for ourselves by winning. Beat at least the obvious ones like Virginia. Beat Utah at least at home.

    It starts with good coaching. Fire Anae and get someone with real experience, smarts and ability to organize our team. Utah arguably won 2 bowl games off of the talent of Urban Meyer. Boise and TCU also had great coaches in their era. We're at a crossroads where we decide whether we go up or down. BYU has to decide why it plays football and how serious it wants to be.

  • Jefe-Ute SLC, UT
    May 20, 2014 6:20 a.m.

    I'm surprised this didn't occur sooner. Why would a conference keep scheduling games against a team that just left the conference? BYU stuck up it's nose at the MWC but then came running back when they couldn't schedule anyone. I think the ACC/SEC gave them an excuse to finally say no. ACC/SEC got the ball rolling and it's only getting bigger.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 7:20 a.m.

    Thompson is so full of himself it's laughable.

    If the SEC and ACC won't consider BYU a strong OOC opponent, what makes him think they'll consider any team in the MWC?

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    May 20, 2014 7:25 a.m.

    Many have said all along that BYU needs to bring a good show to the field, including beating Virginia and Utah. They need an offensive game plan that features running backs, receivers, tight ends, offensive line, and a versatile QB. And they need to bring it to the field every game. It's all politics with the power conferences. The bottom half of every conference is far worse than BYU is, but BYU cannot lose to such teams and remain relevant to scheduling. I'm proud of the deal with ESPN, but that will fade if BYU continues to lose to lower tier P5 teams. Bring it to the field Cougars. It's the only way.

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    May 20, 2014 7:29 a.m.

    I don't think it would be a great idea for the MWC to "disapprove" conference members playing BYU, but at the same time I hope we never, ever, ever let that primadonna back in the conference. It's bad enough having to live in the same state as BYU without them whining about not getting special treatment from the conference. We already have Boise State, we don't need BYU.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 20, 2014 7:34 a.m.

    Troubling? Yes. Trouble? No, not yet.

    I too read the article yesterday on the cbs site. My sense was more Thompson enjoying the opportunity to talk about BYU without having anything really to say. The phrase that kept sticking out to me was "adding them adds 7 more losses."

    I'm not arrogant / naive / foolish enough to think that all 7 losses go to them and the victories all go to us, but you gotta know in a room of reps from each school in the MWC, that's more what they are worried about.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 20, 2014 7:34 a.m.

    I'm laughing at all the naysayers, doomsdayers, and BYU haters who are panicking over Thompson's ludicrous fantasy.

    If the P5 schools won't schedule BYU, they certainly aren't going to schedule MWC teams, so who will the MWC schedule, CUSA and MAC teams?

    The truth is, the MWC has almost no chance of qualifying a team for the four-team playoff, so what difference does it make who the MWC schedules OOC?

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    May 20, 2014 7:39 a.m.

    I'm a ute fan, but I truly fear for this program. BYU has simply got to find a conference. Bend the rules about Sunday play. Change some of your high handed stances on social issues, but by all means, find a conference that will allow at least a reg schedule of semi meaningful games. Will you struggle should the MWC take you back? Probably. But you are seriously being excluded by major conferences for scheduling purposes and this could be a disaster. A situation where utah will only offer you a two for one is just around the corner and you will find yourself saying, please sir? May I have another? Get real and get cracking. I'm no cougar fan! but I have good friends who are (well, okay---not that good of friends) and they deserve better.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 20, 2014 7:45 a.m.

    eastcoastcoug

    "Boise St, TCU and Utah all got to better conferences by winning 2 BCS bowls apiece."

    So, by winning two BCS games, Boise St "earned" their way into the MWC, the conference that BYU and Utah helped create, and then left???

    Wow, that's some reward for being one the most successful non-BCS programs.

    Despite all of the claims to the contrary, the truth is, conference realignment was completely driven by one thing, television, and Utah got into the PAC 12 for the exact same reason Colorado, Maryland, and Rutgers were invited to the PAC 12 and B1G, and Boise State wasn't - untapped lucrative television markets.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 7:54 a.m.

    2014 Ute juniors without a bowl

    BYU will be invited to the playoffs, before Utah earns its first trip to the Rose Bowl.

    Mark it Down!

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    May 20, 2014 7:58 a.m.

    UFan:

    P5 schools may be more likely to schedule MWC teams than BYU for a pre-season game, or a filler game, if they think it is more likely to be an automatic win.

    Think of it this way: if a FCS team was seriously talented and had a track record of taking down FBS teams, how attractive is that team on the schedule of big league teams? Who wants to lose to a FCS team?

    This is the predicament BYU finds itself in. There may (or may not) be a window of opportunity for BYU to get into the Big-12, but if they don't achieve that... and quickly... they become the pariah that P5 schools want to avoid playing if it hurts them on strength-of-schedule AND there is a reasonable risk of a defeat.

    This is the no-man's land BYU may end up in.

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    Thompson is just jealous that BYU has a better television deal with ESPN/BYUtv than he was able negotiate for his entire conference.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 20, 2014 8:12 a.m.

    This is just a ploy by Thompson to try to force BYU back into the MWC.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    May 20, 2014 8:18 a.m.

    Thompson is desperately trying to make the MWC seem more relevant by pretending they're just like the SEC and ACC.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    May 20, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    It's all politics. And money.

    I'm still unsure if independence was a good idea for the long term. BYU could get squeezed out big time.

    Aggie238, I have to say, before USU starts acting and talking high and mighty, it would be nice if you performed at a higher level over a sustained period of time. You got into the MWC (and the old WAC) by default despite trying for 50 years. In your weaker conferences, you never dominated. You had better prove yourself before you try to knock BYU down. This is not anything against USU. I want USU to succeed, but do it on the field. Everything else is hot air.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 20, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    BYU just needs to play an exciting brand of football and start piling up 10- and 11-win seasons and regular Top 20 finishes like they did during the late 70's and 80's, and the rest will take of itself.

    No need to panic over the self-agrandizing fantasies of a commissioner who foolishly drove BYU out of his conference through his own incompetant handling of The MTN fiasco.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 8:35 a.m.

    phantomblade
    Salt Lake City, Utah

    "Despite all of the claims to the contrary, the truth is, conference realignment was completely driven by one thing, television, and Utah got into the PAC 12 for the exact same reason Colorado, Maryland, and Rutgers were invited to the PAC 12 and B1G, and Boise State wasn't - untapped lucrative television markets."

    Of course byu did no such thing in their partnership with ESPN, right? Wow, the arrogance of you people is absolutely off the charts. What is it going to take to humble the byu fan base?

  • Waylon77 Logan, UT
    May 20, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    I think independence suits BYU, they are essentially still playing in the Mountain West for all intents and purposes, but they no longer have to share their TV revenue.
    Independence has however lessened the overall quality of their home schedule. I don't know how the season ticket holders feel about that, but as long as they are happy there really isn't much of a downside to independence.

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    May 20, 2014 9:03 a.m.

    Whether BYU likes it or not they do have a problem. Thompson is a man with an axe to grind, and it appears, at least on paper, that he is willing to do it. So in the recent past BYU has been snubbed by the SEC, the ACC, the PAC 10+2, and now a guy that is definitely not in awe of BYU. While BYU has any clout left they need to humbly (I know that will be hard) approach some conference and ask for admittance. Too late for the BIG 12, that ship has sailed, your probably looking at the AAC or Conference USA. It is apparent that since their move to independence BYU has lost some athletic credence. And all of Holmoe and Mendenhalls rhetoric is not going to make it better.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 9:10 a.m.

    Ufan "If the SEC and ACC won't consider BYU a strong OOC opponent, what makes him think they'll consider any team in the MWC?"
    Uteanymous "If the P5 schools won't schedule BYU, they certainly aren't going to schedule MWC teams."

    You are thinking backwards.

    The MWC is trying to qualify for one of the spots in a New Year's bowl game. Strength of schedule is a qualification. The MWC is simply asking if scheduling BYU helps SOS. The article says "for some teams it does". Other teams might be better off trying to schedule a P5 team. Since BYU seems disinterested in scheduling more than 4 or 5 big schools a year, it is valid to question what BYU's future SOS will be.

  • brs27 Beaver, UT
    May 20, 2014 9:18 a.m.

    I'm sorry.....did Thompson just say that BYU isn't worthy of being scheduled as an opponent for MWC teams based on merit? That the only reason MWC teams schedule the Cougars is tradition, history, and convenience?? Have we crossed over into some ludicrous parallel universe??? How does he retain his dignity when meeting with other conference commissioners after making a comment like that? They must be snickering behind his back. A person so delusional, with so little self-awareness, can hardly be taken seriously.

    I too have to wonder if Thompson dropped the ball a few years ago. When the Pac-10 was courting the Texas schools I was giddy with the possibilities. It was his job to make sure the cream of the remaining Big 12 saw that joining the MWC would make a more than respectable football conference: BYU, Utah, Boise, TCU, Colorado, Missouri, Kansas St...; and with the dissolution of the Big 12 the MWC would receive their automatic BCS bid. Also, think of the basketball conference; BYU, Utah, UNLV, San Diego, Missouri, Kansas... But no, those schools felt that their best deal was to bow down to Texas' alter. Someone screwed up.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    May 20, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    If this is Thompson's ploy to get BYU back in the MWC, I hope it works. The indy thing has to go. It was an idea hatched by a Utah alum who is gone. Get rid of it.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    SoonerUte
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "The MWC is trying to qualify for one of the spots in a New Year's bowl game. Strength of schedule is a qualification. The MWC is simply asking if scheduling BYU helps SOS."

    Exactly right. The MWC is on a path to regarding byu as competition to scheduling games with P5 teams that the conference needs. There is no point for the MWC to schedule byu (another mid-major) since it does not bolster their case for a Fiesta Bowl bid.

    btw...No body is out to get byu, they are simply looking out for themselves. Not much consolation when the shoe is on the other foot, eh, cougs?

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    May 20, 2014 9:41 a.m.

    I'm not sure everyone commenting here read the linked article. More quotes:
    “Because of the regionality and the history, we played them a lot and have played them a lot for 100 years,” Thompson said. “We will continue to play them a lot.”
    "since 1972 BYU is 87-95 against schools currently in the Big Five conferences. That includes a winning record against the Pac-12 (55-51) and .500 records against the Big 12 (14-14) and SEC (4-4)."

    Yes, BYU needs to find scheduling solutions but schools in the Power 5 conferences (hate that term, BTW) can schedule BYU and are doing so but it just won't count as the one required P5 OOC game. Also, I get sick of everyone thinking BYU has a "humility issue". BYU is just looking out for their interests the way every school does. No one claims BYU is an Alabama, Ohio State, or USC but we are certainly better than many teams in the P5. How many of those teams would love to have the record listed above? Holmoe needs to figure it out but not panic. Sounds like the MWC will continue scheduling BYU & probably hope they rejoin.

  • Tajemnica Santa Monica, CA
    May 20, 2014 9:43 a.m.

    MWC teams scheduling BYU boosts the majority of their SOS with respect to the teams they play in the MWC. Scheduling MWC teams does not boost BYU's SOS. Instead it lowers it and sometimes keeps it the same. (since they are already scheduling a lot of MWC teams)

    It is in the best interest of MWC teams to schedule BYU but not in BYU's best interest to schedule MWC teams.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    May 20, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    Tajemnica- "It is in the best interest of MWC teams to schedule BYU but not in BYU's best interest to schedule MWC teams."

    LOL Apparently Tom Holmoe doesn't agree with you.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    May 20, 2014 9:53 a.m.

    The writing os on the wall.
    The departure of BYU from the Mtn West, and the way it was handled, caused tremendous turmoil within the MWC and WAC (and the eventual demise of football there). What was said is a precursor to conference rules regarding OOC games...September only, just like the PAC12. Who will the Y play in October and November looks like Sunbelt, Conference USA, and lower tier AAC teams. September games are easy enough. Big Sky opponent for conference weekend, read Weber State. Then what? More and more games will be away from Provo as 2 for 1 will become the norm. Will there be 4-5 P5 games a year with 1-2 at LES? As for SOS, cherry picking a few teams a year spread across the P5 conferences isn't the same as playing in any conference. No conference title to add shine for the selection committee. Do you really belive that an undefeated season against current schedules is enough?

    The present is bleak and the future looks worse.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    May 20, 2014 9:53 a.m.

    Is this news? DN is waiting deseperatley!

    This is interesting, SEC & ACC said no and I can see it coming with Craig Thompson which he will say, NO TOO! Lol!!

    As Tom Holmoe said some two days ago, Don't panic Cougar Nation.

    Go Cougars!

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    May 20, 2014 9:53 a.m.

    @Esquire

    On field performance has little to do with that sentiment. It's no secret that most MWC teams don't mind playing BYU or even having a rivalry. If performance and geography were the only considerations, BYU would be a good fit. But nobody in the conference wants to put up with having a member that expects special treatment because of a 30 year-old NC and an HD truck.

    But since you brought up on-field performance, what has BYU done in the last 5 years that Utah State hasn't? College sports is all about "what have you done lately?"

  • brs27 Beaver, UT
    May 20, 2014 10:06 a.m.

    OK, having now read some other articles Mr. Thompson did not disrespect BYU nearly as much as the quotes in this article made it appear. In fact, he said that having BYU in the conference would basically add another 7 losses, making the members bowl campaigns that much more difficult. THAT is a rational and reasonable statement with no offense meant or taken.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    May 20, 2014 10:08 a.m.

    @souptwins

    That is a little disingenous. You make it sound as if the only consideration is football, hardly. Also, of that record against the PAC12, how many wins are against Utah when they were conference opponents in the Wac and Mwc...20? Nobody owes BYU anything. Further, most really don't care. I know, I know...Utah blah blah blah. The fact is Utah doesn't have any of these issues.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 10:10 a.m.

    I'm not sure it makes much difference. Don't most of BYUs current opponents have out of conference schedules that include a P5 school + BYU + others?

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    May 20, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    BYU has a big stadium and a large TV audience one of the best in the nation. If BYU is squeezed out I can see the end of football at BYU. If no one wants to play with you you leave the game.

  • 311ute Reno, NV
    May 20, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    I love all the Y fans saying "We are BYU, we'll be fine." If I were a Y fan, I would be freaking out. Who is going to schedule you in 2016? This year and next year are fine but you only have 7 games on the schedule for 2016 and only 2 of those are at home!! You have 2 home games scheduled for 2016! That is insane!! How are you going to get anyone to come to LES?

    You are 24 months away from the beginning of the 2016 season and soon the only plan will be calling Savannah St (again), Middle Tennessee, and whatever no name that will be willing to come for a paycheck. All these TBD games are in the middle of the season and there is no way that anyone from a P5 conference (or the mtn west) will take a break from conference play and go to Provo. Also, 2016 is when the conferences start either a 9 game conference schedule or an 8+1 P5. The thought that anyone worth of note coming to LES in the near future is a fantasy.

    The time to freak out is not now, it was a long time ago.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 20, 2014 10:20 a.m.

    Definition of "Potshot": a criticism, especially a random or unfounded one.

    My take is that the MWC has no problem with scheduling byu, and is even open to discussions about byu rejoining.

    byu fans, stop with the potshots.

  • Tajemnica Santa Monica, CA
    May 20, 2014 10:26 a.m.

    @Magna Ute Fan

    I don't think it is as much Holmoe not agreeing with me as it is that MWC teams are easier for BYU to schedule. The #1 obvious truth is he needs to give BYU football a 12 game schedule. If MWC teams are the only ones willing to schedule BYU he obviously needs to schedule those games. First priority is a 12 game schedule, second priority is trying to get good teams. So far Holmoe has succeeded in number 1 but struggled (with a few exceptions) with number 2.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    May 20, 2014 11:29 a.m.

    SoonerUte

    "The MWC is simply asking if scheduling BYU helps SOS. The article says "for some teams it does". Other teams might be better off trying to schedule a P5 team."

    Please explain how playing a lower division P5 team, ranked between 60 and 128, like Washington State or Colorado, is an "improvement" in SOS over playing a BYU team ranked somewhere between 20 and 40.

    Fans throw around labels as if labels alone define the quality of opposition.

    If a team is ranked in the Top 40, what difference will it make to the selection committee if that team is in a P5, is in a mid-major, or is independent?

    If a team is ranked in the Bottom 40, what difference will it make if that team is in a P5, is in a mid-major, or is independent?

    There are good teams and there are very bad teams in every conference.

    There's no guarantee that simply being in a P5 makes any particular team good.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    Sour grapes from the MWC and from utah fans.
    BYU could start their own conference and invite Boise State, Utah State and other great football programs if they chose.
    I find it personally funny that u fans are so excited to see BYU die. WOW, what hatred. I'm sure the the founder of utah, Brigham Young, would be so proud of the ute fans at this point.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    May 20, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    81Ute

    "As for SOS, cherry picking a few teams a year spread across the P5 conferences isn't the same as playing in any conference. No conference title to add shine for the selection committee."

    Isn't that exactly what Utah has done since the joined the WAC in 1962?

    Even in their twin heyday years of 2004 and 2008, the Utes only played a handful of games against quality teams, arguably only one in 2004.

    It's likely that Utah 2008 wouldn't have finished better than 6-6 if that team had played the schedule Utah played in 2013.

    When was the last time Utah played a Top 10, or even Top 20, schedule and finished with a winning record, let alone ranked?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 20, 2014 11:45 a.m.

    So, does strength of schedule help in games that you lose? Isn't that really what the discussion is about?

    Whether playing BYU helps strength of schedule or not is debatable, depends on the opponent.

    I still think, bottom line is this: in football, everybody is trying to get the future to come into focus. For BYU, the future is still uncharted. Not doom and gloom as predicted by our Ute brethren who have long since moved past us, not as rosey as some of the BYU impatient faithful wish.

    Win games, future will get better. Keep losing to bottom dwellers like Virginia and Utah, and we've got bigger problems that getting true love's kiss from the SEC , ACC or even MWC won't fix.

    Nobody can see the future, but I am blindly optimistic.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 11:47 a.m.

    Aggie328 "what has BYU done in the last 5 years that Utah State hasn't?"

    Like maybe sold nearly triple the tickets to home games, been watched by viewers around the world many times more, or secured a multi-million dollar contract with ESPN? Or maybe having a winning head to head record on the field for the 5 years you're referring to?

    Other than financially circling USU many times over, I guess not much.

    Don't get me wrong - I root for USU in almost all instances and am a big Gary Anderson/Matt Wells/Stew Morrill fan, and Cache Valley is the most beautiful spot on the earth in my opinion. But, let's not confuse proven financial clout as arrogance or insignificant in the overall scheme of things. After all, the dollar sign drives nearly 100% of the topic we're discussing here and BYU football has generated way more of it in the last 5 years than USU could dream of.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 11:50 a.m.

    Just curious Ute Juniors are all bowl-less - Do you ever have to remove the crimson goggles and wipe away the fog, or have you just learned to trust what you can make out from behind the mist???

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    The definition of comical irony

    ekute-"byu fans, stop with the potshots"

  • RSLfanalways Why, AZ
    May 20, 2014 12:26 p.m.

    How times have changed. The Ute's are in a conference that they cant handle, BYU went Indy and now they are regretting it. (A side note I dont think BYU will stop being Indy, it fits what they church wants, not what the BYU football fans want) And USU was the only team last year to win a bowl game.

    With these changes in NCAA Football the Ute's will be the only school in the higher conference but will pay for it. Well the students will pay for it. This is good for USU since more in state kids will go to USU for the lower costs and create a bigger fan base for USU.

  • Idahotransplant West Jordan, UT
    May 20, 2014 12:34 p.m.

    correct me if i am wrong but doesnt Boise State have some sort of agreement with ESPN like BYU? If that is the case, then I would think that Thompson and Holmoe have already had discussions.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 20, 2014 12:44 p.m.

    I was going to say that it wasn't Utah, it's fans or the MWC that put byu in it's predicament...but on second thought, I think that Utah and TCU's domination over the cougies in the old MWC days had a lot to do with. lol.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 12:49 p.m.

    Down under
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "BYU could start their own conference and invite Boise State, Utah State and other great football programs if they chose."

    Then why doesn't byu do that?

    Look, you just had the SEC and the ACC tell you that byu was not, is not now, and will not be regarded as a P5 program. Now you have the MWC considering its options to limit scheduling byu because byu is not a P5 program. Still, you people talk like byu is the cat's meow and can do anything and have everything it wants.

    Here's what I don't understand...

    When Holmoe started byu down the independence road leading to no where the reason cited was "exposure." byu fans have since been in a tizzy with excitement around their weekly appearances on one of the many ESPN channels.

    So what changed? If exposure is the goal, who cares who byu plays from week to week? With exposure in tact, can someone please tell me why Holmoe was compelled to put his foot in this hornet's nest? Maybe exposure isn't the goal but a means to back door into an elite conference?? Anyone?

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 20, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    This is much ado about nothing. The MW teams will not stop scheduling BYU and the conference, as a whole, can't afford to stop scheduling BYU. I don't know who Thompson thinks he is, but his comments - and him trying to be like the big boys in the ACC and SEC - are just laughable.

    While BYU needs to be in a conference, IMHO, Thompson's views will not be the impetus to get them there.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    May 20, 2014 1:02 p.m.

    Idaho transplant--- BSU used to have an ESPN deal similar to what BYU has now. When BSU joined, then stuck with the MWC (after accepting then declining the Big East) they were given special considerations for TV coverage by the conference. It's the sort of thing they had originally told BYU they would get but never delivered when the MWC was originally created. IF (big if) BYU were ever to go back to the MWC, it would take at least that same sort of deal along with greater access to the playoffs than the get as an independent. Things may get tight enough for that to happen but I'm not sure BYU is there quite yet. For me, I believe they need to win more than anything--- just like everyone else. Yes, BYU bring baggage. We all know that but I think they also look & act the most like a P5 team out of all the mid-majors (BSU has football but not much else).

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 20, 2014 1:08 p.m.

    ekute
    Layton, UT

    I can't argue with Utah's "dominance" if you will over BYU the last 4 years, but during the MWC years?

    One more pipedream you need to get over.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 1:10 p.m.

    backpen "Please explain how playing a lower division P5 team is an "improvement" in SOS."
    I didn't say playing a lower P5 improves SOS. The MWC wants to qualify for a New Years Bowl. To do that, they need to look as good as possible. Take Boise State for example. Traditionally they might schedule BYU, but they might instead consider scheduling one of the better P5 schools. Since the MWC has 9 conference games, they really need to step up their non-conference schedule to get noticed.

    You keep saying "ranked". Traditional polls have a bad habit of rewarding a good win-loss record with no regard to who they played. The committee will consider who you played.

    Really, the push is to get teams to quit playing FCS schools. In 2013 the SEC and ACC each played 15 FCS schools, The B1G played 10. Ideally, FCS games go away and open up 40 slots for the MWC and BYU to jump on. Quit sulking about being labled mid-major. Tom Holmoe should be canvasing those conferences saying "We will replace those FCS games. We will bump your SOS."

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 20, 2014 1:11 p.m.

    An olive branch was extended to byu and it's fans respond with arrogance and bitterness. Not surprised.

  • So-CalAggie Park City, Ut
    May 20, 2014 1:13 p.m.

    I'd vote no to letting buy back in the the mnt west. The knife wounds to the back have all healed up, no use getting shanked twice. I'd bet the AAC would take you! LOL

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    May 20, 2014 1:13 p.m.

    Backpacn "Please explain how playing a lower division P5 team, ranked between 60 and 128, like Washington State or Colorado, is an "improvement" in SOS over playing a BYU team ranked somewhere between 20 and 40."

    I'll explain it to you. The reason that these teams are for the most part ranked between 60 to 128 is that they play in a big time conference against big time competition for eight to nine or more games a year. Someone has to lose and therefore an average team will appear below average record-wise. Put Washington State or Colorado in the MWC or better yet let them play BYU's schedule this year. What you'll get is a better record and higher ranking. This is the one thing that Utah and their fans had been told but didn't believe until experiencing it. Playing tough competition each week as opposed to a few good teams spread between tin cans and weeks off is far more demanding than expected. BYU and their fans don't know, and the way things are going, never will know what this is like.

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    May 20, 2014 1:18 p.m.

    Isn't it great that in all of byu's dealings, the OTHER party is in complete control and can essentially tell byu what to do?

    the SEC had all the power when byu asked to be considered a power conference team.

    The SEC told them no because they are a mid major

    The ACC had all the power when byu asked to be considered a power conference team

    The ACC told them no because they are a mid major

    The big 12 had all the power when byu wanted to join the big 12 years ago, and continues to want to join.

    The big 12 has continually told byu no because they are a mid-major quality football program and university.

    The pac 12 will never invite byu because they are a mid-major quality football program and university.

    the MWC is even telling byu they may stop helping byu out.

    I guess when you go around burning bridges with whoever you work with, eventually things don't turn out too well for you!

    byu's football program, and athletics as a whole for that matter, are further falling behind their quest for relevance - with no hope in sight to ever catch up

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 20, 2014 1:25 p.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad:

    While you can argue "dominance" during MWC years, Utah was 7-5 during that period (which included to BCS invites and wins), 3-0 since.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    May 20, 2014 1:26 p.m.

    They should get the same lawyers who were negotiating with the Big 12 to negotiate this one.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 1:33 p.m.

    VegasUte
    Las Vegas, NV

    "This is much ado about nothing...While BYU needs to be in a conference, IMHO, Thompson's views will not be the impetus to get them there."

    Vegas Ute, I don't think you understand what is happening here. It is't Thompson saying byu isn't good enough to play MWC teams, it's about Thompson needed true P5 competition for his conference and byu is deemed to be mid-major. The MWC has plenty of mid-major teams and don't need byu.

    SoonerUte at 1:10 pm provides a clear picture.

    So-CalAggie
    Park City, Ut

    "I'd vote no to letting buy back in the the mnt west. The knife wounds to the back have all healed up, no use getting shanked twice. I'd bet the AAC would take you! LOL"

    I've been watching your comments, you seem to be thinking the same thing I am. It's fun to see Holmoe on the losing end of his own back door / under the table schemes. This is great entertainment!

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    May 20, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    Thompson is only jumping on the the hate wagon for BYU. It is funny he even made a comment like this. Tell you what Thompson. Don't schedule BYU again ever. BUT brace yourself, USU will be screaming you just cut them off from a yearly cash cow game. In fact all teams in the cube will be screaming because TICKET sales skyrocket when BYU comes to town.

    Please remember too, UoU snubbed the MWC first, and the MWC made no move or whimper about it, why? The U doesn't make money like BYU!! They never have.They still don't!

    I still am laughing why people keep blaming BYU for becoming independent. They TRIED to bring back the old WAC and got thrown under the bus by Nevada and Fresno St. who had inside information and maliciously used it against BYU. So lets stop pretending BYU did something bad and call out the real Villains, Thompson being one of them and congratulate BYU for doing something that all other teams in America are tyring to do, make money for themselves. Lets spend more time talking about the gross greed of the P5.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    May 20, 2014 1:40 p.m.

    @So-Cal aggie,

    As much as I dislike byu, I don't see who byu has stabbed your aggies in the back. byu has no duty to help anyone out, nor does any other school. Every school does what they think is best for them, and that's how it should be.

    byu has no responsibility to get your program included into their conference(when they were in the mwc) just as Utah has no responsibility to get byU or usU into the Pac 12. You have a very small regional program that no one cares about, similar to byu. But no one owes the aggies or has a duty to do something for them. byu didn't stab usu in the back by not getting them into the MWC earlier. It wasn't their job to do that - it was yours if you wanted to be included.

  • Tajemnica Santa Monica, CA
    May 20, 2014 1:56 p.m.

    Does anyone out there actually know the facts regarding conference realignment over the past few years? All I am getting from 'fans' of both BYU and utah are fictional opinions created to make themselves feel better about their current situations. It will be interesting to see how things play out over the next few years. My prediction is nothing changes with utah. They're 'in' a P5 conference and will more than likely continue to lose for some time (at least they have stickers). BYU is a toss up. Forget the playoffs or SOS or anything like that. The fact is that scheduling a 12 game season is going to get progressively more difficult. I foresee that the only way BYU will be able to schedule a full slate of games in the future is to either join a conference, P5 or not, or to hope for some major structural and/or rule changes in regards to the FBS.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 20, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    ekute

    What domination?

    14 of the last 17 head-to-head games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in OT, with the Utes winning a slight 8-6 majority of the close games. Before that, BYU dominated the series for almost a quarter century.

    Overall, BYU has had more recent success.

    During the Bronco/Kyle era

    MWC Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    11+ Win Seasons
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Bowl Games
    Bronco 9
    Kyle 7

    Despite the spin from the hill, it's obvious which team has actually accomplished more, overall.

  • 311ute Reno, NV
    May 20, 2014 2:17 p.m.

    Man, the arrogance/ignorance of the BYU faithful is mind numbing. You Y fans are too busy talking about past successes that you don't even see the writing on the wall. Take a look at my last comment and please answer me, who could possibly come to LES in 2016? Seriously, take a look and and let me know.

    I don't know if people just like arguing on who has the better team/past, but look at the future. What in the wold is BYU going to do about its home schedule past 2015?

    It's frustrating that this potentially disastrous scenario is pointed out and yet people ignore it and slam their chests while talking about past conference championships that they aren't even apart of anymore. Who cares what the U or Y did while in the MWC, it's irrelevant.

    I guess you can keep on talking about 1984 while your future is fading right before your eyes.

    Have fun piecing together a schedule while we welcome the likes of UCLA, USC, Oregon, and Stanford year in and year out.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    May 20, 2014 2:43 p.m.

    311ute

    Man, the arrogance/ignorance of the [Utah] faithful is mind numbing.

    You've convinced yourselves that simply being in a big boy conference and playing a better schedule has made U "better".

    Of course, not even Utah fans would consider 4-5, 3-6, 2-7 records, with losing, bowl-less seasons "successful" for any team, except Utah.

    Despite the frantic and emotional predictions of gloom and doom from the haters, Tom Holmoe will negotiate BYU's scheduling hurdles and BYU will emerge the stronger for overcoming their "us against the world" challenge.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 2:49 p.m.

    Christopher B
    Ogden, UT

    "As much as I dislike byu, I don't see who byu has stabbed your aggies in the back. byu has no duty to help anyone out, nor does any other school. Every school does what they think is best for them, and that's how it should be."

    Hey, Chris...ease up on the Aggie fans. Apparently, you don't remember or are not aware of the way Holmoe used USU to get what he wanted. When the scheme backfired, Holmoe walked away saying "oh well," joined the WCC, and left USU without a conference. It had nothing whatsoever to do with byu not being responsible to get USU into a conference byu left. What Holmoe did was beyond reprehensible and brought into sharp focus his personal ethics. Which, by the way have showed up again, now.

    Further, if Aggie fans don't want byu in the MW conference that is their sentiment and doesn't concern you. Having read their comments, I cannot think of anything to refute the list of reasons Aggie fans have put on this thread for why they don't want to associate with byu in the MWC...not one.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 2:57 p.m.

    3grandslams
    Iowa City, IA

    "Thompson is only jumping on the the hate wagon for BYU. It is funny he even made a comment like this."

    Ah, yes...byu is always the victim.

    "Tell you what Thompson. Don't schedule BYU again ever. BUT brace yourself, USU will be screaming you just cut them off from a yearly cash cow game. In fact all teams in the cube will be screaming because TICKET sales skyrocket when BYU comes to town."

    LOL! You really think byu brings that much to the table? Clearly, the SEC and ACC disagree.

    "Please remember too, UoU snubbed the MWC first, and the MWC made no move or whimper about it, why? The U doesn't make money like BYU!! They never have.They still don't!"

    No, the Utes did not snub the MWC. You made that up. Utah gave constructive notice to the conference of their pending invite and left with the respect of the MWC in tact. There were no back room discussions, under the table deals, or juvenile name calling when the Utes left. The break was clean, reasons were understood, and no bridges were burned.

    You weave a good story though.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    May 20, 2014 2:57 p.m.

    311ute

    "Who cares what the U or Y did while in the MWC, it's irrelevant."

    YOU DO!

    It's the only time in Utah's entire football history that the Utes became relevant on a national scale.

    Unfortunately, the brief sunbursts of 2004 and 2008 faded almost as quickly as they appeared and the Utes have returned to their accustomed place at the middle to bottom of the pack, cannon fodder for the big boys of the conference.

    If U dispute that, calculate Utah's average conference finish WAC/MWC/PAC since 1962 and you'll see that Utah being a perennial conference middle to bottom dwellerfeeder isn't just smack, it's a fact.

    Even more so since U joined the PAC.

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    May 20, 2014 3:00 p.m.

    @ 3grandslams

    "Please remember too, UoU snubbed the MWC first, and the MWC made no move or whimper about it, why? The U doesn't make money like BYU!! They never have.They still don't!"

    How did Utah snub the MWC? Utah was invited to join the Pac-10 and they accepted their invitation. Any team in the MWC including BYU would do the same thing. BYU never had an invitation to join another conference. Their hated rival (Utah) received an invite to join a power conference (Which is something BYU has coveted for many years) and they got jealous. Since Utah left BYU behind, the cougars felt entitled to something greater than what they were getting in the MWC. BYU's envy for Utah was a direct result in BYU snubbing the MWC to go independent.

    I don't care what people say. BYU going independent was always a knee-jerk reaction to Utah joining the PAC-12. The timing of BYU's independence move seems to back that up. If Utah was never invited, BYU and Utah would still be in the MWC.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 20, 2014 3:00 p.m.

    311ute
    Reno, NV

    I'm with Anti BCS. When I hear from a Utah fan, on a BYU story, that I am the arrogant one, I do not feel overly concerned that I might have missed something at my last introspection.

    Ignorant? Wish I could say that never happened either.

    We'll see.

    But your touching sympathy for your brethren in the valley is truly magnificent. Duly noted.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 3:06 p.m.

    anti BCS
    Anaheim, CA

    "Tom Holmoe will negotiate BYU's scheduling hurdles and BYU will emerge the stronger for overcoming their "us against the world" challenge."

    Here's what Tom Holmoe is doing...

    Holmoe has "done a great job of providing leadership, understanding what’s going on, keeping his hands on the pulse of things. He’s on numerous committees. He goes to lots of meetings and has great relationships with a lot of people around the country.” Deseret News, May 15

    So, as long as Holmoe understands what's going on, keeps his hands on the pulse of things, occupies a seat on committees, attends his meetings, and keeps his friends, byu's scheduling hurdles are nothing to worry about. Wow, that list of do's certainly drives to the heart of life in Utah County.

  • 311ute Reno, NV
    May 20, 2014 3:18 p.m.

    MUSSing with U

    Really? I can't believe you responded to my post that way. Do I care about those two undefeated season, of course I do but it is not the topic of conversation. The topic is the future of the Y and their scheduling issues. My point remains that as of right now, both the U's and Y's past successes don't mean squat. Furthermore, that the Y has nobody to play in 2016.

    Somebody, please logically respond to my posts and answer the following questions:

    Who is BYU going to schedule for home games in 2016? The open dates are mostly in Oct. As far as I can tell, nobody has an opening that time of year due to CONFERENCE SCHEDULES. Even Norte Dame saw this coming and partnered up with the ACC.

    SMH, I post a serious question about the Y and I get nothing but the irrelevancy of Utah Football. You guys crack me up. Keep that head and in sand while the rest of college football moves along without you.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 20, 2014 3:20 p.m.

    311ute

    Sorry to disappoint U and the other kids on the hill, but the majority of BYU fans are simply riding out the current storm, rather than launching into the full-scale panic mode that our BYU-hating friends were so desperately hoping for.

    Things always look darkest just before dawn.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 20, 2014 3:20 p.m.

    Does ANYONE care what Thompson says or thinks? Nope, not even his own conference members...next.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    May 20, 2014 3:24 p.m.

    I think the MWC should regularly evaluate its ongoing relationships with BYU. They should only schedule games to the extent that the games benefit the conference and its teams.

    Personally, I like USU playing the Y on conference weekend as long as it is on a one for one basis.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 20, 2014 3:28 p.m.

    little perspective

    Why are you and the other BYU haters so worried about BYU's scheduling "woes"?

    Are you so intimidated from living in BYU's shadow that you've lost your will to compete and are simply hoping that BYU will quietly go away?

    btw, Olympus Cove is hardly in the heart of Utah County.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    May 20, 2014 3:36 p.m.

    Amazing--but predictable--that at least half the comments are from haters.

    It's ironic--but predictable--to hear the Ute fans blaming BYU's current predicament on BYU's supposed arrogance. How soon the haters forget that what started the avalanche that unzipped the MWC partnership was that *Utah* left, not BYU.

    I don't blame the U for jumping to a better conference, but it was well documented at the time in interviews with BYU officials that in spite of all the disagreements between BYU and the MWC, BYU had no plans to leave unilaterally. However, once Utah left, BYU saw no compelling reason to remain in what was by that point an clearly dysfunctional monetary arrangement.

    These same haters who now crow about how the P5 schools are so far above "lesser" programs and conferences are the ones who whined loudest back in the 90s about it not being fair that they were not being talked about as NC contenders in their two glory years. Irony abounds.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 3:57 p.m.

    Snack PAC
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    little perspective

    "Why are you and the other BYU haters so worried about BYU's scheduling "woes"?"

    For years I've listened to byu fans talk like the college sports world would collapse without byu. Here, the college sports world is letting byu know where it stands and still byu fans talk like the college sports world will whither away without them. The difference now, of course, is that your comments are in print. Priceless!

    In short, the entertainment value is absolutely off the charts.

    btw...is byu not in Utah County?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 4:14 p.m.

    @ Snack PAC

    Most BYU fans aren't panicking; this would be silly thing to panic about in the grand scheme of things. However, there are many BYU fans, yourself included I'm sure, that recognize BYU needs to have a sense of urgency when it comes to getting into a conference, or nailing down a scheduling agreement.

  • RSLfanalways Why, AZ
    May 20, 2014 4:32 p.m.

    I wonder how long before USU will have to tell BYU that they will only do a 2-1 home deal for football.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 20, 2014 6:11 p.m.

    3grandslams:

    "...TICKET sales skyrocket when BYU comes to town."

    That's a myth. The only school last year that saw it's ticket sales max out was your game at Utah St, but even then, USU sold the exact same number of tickets as when Boise St. and Weber St. came to town.

    "...UoU snubbed the MWC first, and the MWC made no move or whimper about it, why? The U doesn't make money like BYU!! They never have.They still don't!"

    The MWC didn't move to keep Utah in the conference because they knew that NO ONE in that league would decline an offer from the Pac-10. They couldn't say, "No, don't go. The MWC is a tougher, more prestigious league, and you'll make more money here than over there." That's also why they didn't fuss over TCU leaving for the Big 12. And for what it's worth, Utah DOES make more money than the Y. We outsell you in licensed paraphernalia, and our $26+ million/yr TV/Bowl/CCG is over 4 times as your ESPN/probable-postseason/no-CCG school.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 20, 2014 6:35 p.m.

    WA_Alum&Dad:

    "...BYU had no plans to leave unilaterally. However, once Utah left, BYU saw no compelling reason to remain in what was by that point an clearly dysfunctional monetary arrangement."

    It was a knee-jerk reaction. Look...the cougars had no designs to leave a MWC that included Utah, TCU, SDSU, UNLV, Wyo, CSU, AFA, and UNM. They'd been playing in that consortium since 2005, and even LONGER without TCU. So Utah leaves, but Boise St. arrives. As far as conference strength goes, it was a push. A 2-time BCS bowl winning program leaves, and is replaced by a 2-time BCS bowl winning program. So why was a Utah-MWC good, but a BSU-MWC bad?

    Answer: It wasn't. It was practically the same. The problem was the cougars got jealous of Utah, felt entitled to more than what they'd deserved, and left in a knee-jerk reaction once they found out the Big 12 didn't want them either.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 20, 2014 7:24 p.m.

    Enough of the "knee jerk" " jealous of Utah" nonsense. BYU had discussed going independent multiple times and had contingencies for doing just that in place long before Utah left (again Val Hale is a relative and obviously had inside info about all this). I suppose Utah fans think BYU could throw all the independent deals with ESPN and announce it's departure only 2 months after Utah left all on the fly having never searched it out before? Please. Despite being rivals on the gridiron and hardwood, BYU and Utah were close partners in forming the MWC to begin with and establishing leadership and direction for the conference together. When Utah left BYU had/felt no more loyalty toward the MWC because of perceived injustices...whether perception was right or wrong only Thompson & BYU really knows.

    As to whether BYU felt they deserved more....it's hard to argue they didn't considering how much more money and exposure they have received since leaving. Apparently they knew something all the ute haters didn't...that they did in fact deserve more because they DO in fact make more. Kind of destroys any idea that they were unjustly entitled doesn't it?

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    May 20, 2014 7:43 p.m.

    Rose Bowl call yet?
    Salt Lake City, UT
    2014 Ute juniors without a bowl

    BYU will be invited to the playoffs, before Utah earns its first trip to the Rose Bowl.

    Mark it Down!

    _____________

    Invited to the playoffs? How about some cookies with your milk? BYU has to earn its way to the playoffs.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    May 20, 2014 7:46 p.m.

    Wow.

    Just. Wow.

    In reference to the Mountain West Conference commissioner: How petty can you get? Does he REALLY think that the average MWC team is better than BYU?

    Got some ocean-front property here in Oklahoma I can sell you....

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    May 20, 2014 7:46 p.m.

    ekute
    Layton, UT
    Definition of "Potshot": a criticism, especially a random or unfounded one.

    My take is that the MWC has no problem with scheduling byu, and is even open to discussions about byu rejoining.

    byu fans, stop with the potshots.

    ___________

    So far the only conference to work with BYU over Sunday play is the MWC. BYU should go back if they could. They already know the MWC. And would have good competition from Fresno St. USU, Boise St...

  • Utah Alum Orem, UT
    May 20, 2014 8:18 p.m.

    little perspective

    "For years I've listened to BYU fans talk like the college sports world would collapse without BYU."

    You're making that up; I'll bet you can't cite one single comment from a BYU fan that even suggests that the college sports world would collapse without BYU.

    -----------

    navelvet

    It's common knowledge amongst those with behind the scenes knowledge, that out of loyalty to Utah, the decision makers at BYU were reluctant to jump conferences without Utah being included. Whether Utah fans want acknowledge that, or not, it's a fact.

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 8:26 p.m.

    navel vet

    "It was a knee-jerk reaction. Look...the cougars had no designs to leave a MWC..."

    Don't kid yourself. BYU's plans to leave the MWC were formulated long before Utah jumped ship. As soon as Thompson stabbed BYU in the back on the MTN television contract, BYU began serious internal discussions about putting into place plans for going Independent that had been decades in the planning.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    May 20, 2014 8:41 p.m.

    @ Aggie238, I realize you love your school, but it hasn't performed at a high level. The tradition is weak. So, you ask, has BYU done any better than USU (or vice-versa)? In the past 5 years, your measure, BYU has been on the weaker side, going 44-21. USU, much of that in the WAC,36-29. BYU went to bowl games each year. USU didn't. Is that enough? Shall we talk about national rankings and strength of schedule ratings, too? Sorry, but USU just isn't there yet. Maybe some day. Until then, go easy on knocking BYU.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    May 20, 2014 9:57 p.m.

    It's just not looking good for BYU. A sad day is coming when the Big Sky Conference will say that BYU does not help their SOS. And Idaho St counts as a power conference opponent with any of the major conferences.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    May 20, 2014 9:57 p.m.

    Re: Deep Blue

    Who cares about pre-season rankings?
    BYU has been favored in the last several games against Utah, but the Utes got it done on the field.

    BYU lost to Utah and Virginia last year.
    Utah didn't lose to a bad team last year, and they also beat a team that won a BCS conference and finished #10 (Stanford).
    BYU has to win games that count (Texas was good, but not that good as Texas had 0 players drafted). Anything that was gained from the Texas win was lost with the game against Virginia.

  • Riley Mendenhall Provo, UT
    May 20, 2014 10:04 p.m.

    BYU should join the MWC.

    It is better than the American Athletic Conference (AAC) which BYU is in in football.
    (play 4 games in 2014)

    Nov 2014 schedule is horrible:
    @Middle Tennessee
    UNLV
    Savannah State
    @Cal

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    May 20, 2014 10:15 p.m.

    @ Chamberlain

    "As soon as Thompson stabbed BYU in the back on the MTN television contract, BYU began serious internal discussions about putting into place plans for going Independent that had been decades in the planning"

    As bad as the MTN was, why didn't BYU just go independent and team up with ESPN early on to avoid the MTN fiasco?

    @ Cougsndawgs

    "When Utah left BYU had/felt no more loyalty toward the MWC because of perceived injustices...whether perception was right or wrong only Thompson & BYU really knows"

    Why didn't BYU just declare their independence the same day Utah announced they were joining the PAC-10? Why did BYU wait 2 months after Utah made their announcement they were leaving the MWC?

    Seems kind of ironic with the timing of BYU's independence announcement. After Utah's PAC-10 announcement, BYU was scrambling for 2 months trying to figuring out what to do.

    If BYU planned independence years in advance. They would've had a conference to put their non-football sports in. The WCC was a temporary fix when the WAC plan backfired. It was not BYU's first choice.

  • xam Provo, UT
    May 20, 2014 11:39 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs "Enough of the "knee jerk" " jealous of Utah" nonsense"

    That's right, BYU is in a much better position than the Utes. The Y is very secure right now with their independent status in football while the P5 becomes more powerful and the SEC, ACC and MWC are showing signs of never scheduling BYU again. And the WCC over PAC12 in basketball is another distinct advantage. Nothing to worry about guys, all is well.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    May 21, 2014 8:08 a.m.

    Its a simple math concept. BYU wins a lot of its games. If a team does that they usually increase a SOS rating. Teams that lose a lot hurt SOS.

    As far as any of the old WAC and MWC teams go, there really are only a few games out there that benefit BYU. SDSU, SJSU in California and TCU, UTEP, UTSA and others in Texas are recruiting trips easily paired opposite with a PAC or B12 "partner" so BYU gets into each state yearly. Other than those teams I would love to continue seeing Air Force because that is a special game. The rest of those teams are up and down or not worth scheduling save USU and Boise State which we already have on long term contracts.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 21, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    Bleed Crimson:
    "If BYU planned independence years in advance. They would've had a conference to put their non-football sports in. The WCC was a temporary fix when the WAC plan backfired. It was not BYU's first choice."

    They did have a desired conference for their Olympic sports, the WAC...thanks for pointing that out. When the MWC invited Fresno & Nevada that option was gone. If anyone follows anything about what it takes to be profitable & successful in independence, 2 months isn't very much time if planning and contingencies hadn't been in place.

    Xam:
    "That's right, BYU is in a much better position than the Utes. The Y is very secure right now with their independent status in football while the P5 becomes more powerful and the SEC, ACC and MWC are showing signs of never scheduling BYU again..."

    Please explain how any of what you stated here has to do with what I was talking about. I didn't state they were in a better position than Utah. I'm one of only a few Cougar fans that feels BYU needs a conference. Explain your rant here please.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    May 21, 2014 9:55 a.m.

    Fighting over scraps... that is what byu utah and even USU is doing.

    no schools in Utah have a chance at becoming a playoff team. The utes may think they do because they are in a P5 conference, but being in a P5 conference does not make you a P5 team. And lets just say that utah somehow wins the pac11.u... more than likely that won't even get them in to the playoff... there is nothing saying the top 4 ranked teams have to come from 4 different conferences. There is a higher probability that the top 4 teams will come from 2 or even 3 conferences.

    On to money...
    I know money is important to the schools and is a huge part of sports, but as a fan it doesn't mean squat!
    What fan wants to say "we lose all our games but, but we make the most money!" Are you kidding me?

    Fans want to win games, so stop with all the money talk, it means nothing to fans without winning games!

    lastly...

    Go Aggies! Currently the least money making, most winning, relevant team in the UTAH STATE!

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    May 21, 2014 10:07 a.m.

    @ Cougsndawgs

    "If anyone follows anything about what it takes to be profitable & successful in independence, 2 months isn't very much time if planning and contingencies hadn't been in place"

    If a team like BYU really did plan to go independent over a decade ago, then they would have picked a year in the future to begin their independence journey and they would have began scheduling teams for the first couple of seasons years in advance. They would also need to find a conference partner for their non-football teams such as the WAC. BYU would've had better schedules to start off independence and a better conference for their non-football teams. If BYU would've done this, they would be in better position when conference realignment began in 2010. But they didn't! They declared their independence two months after Utah joined the PAC-10. As a result, Tom Holmoe had to put together a schedule in a short period of time for the next football season.

    It's either poor planning on Tom Holmoe's part or it was a knee-jerk reaction to Utah's PAC-10 invite. Timing of BYU's independence announcement would indicate the latter.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    @ Ifel Of'a-sofa

    Washington State was in the Rose bowl as recently as 2001 and Washington went 0-12 in 2008. Just because Utah is down now doesn't mean they won't be able to make a serious run a few years down the road. Things have a tendency to dramatically swing in CFB.

    Money doesn't effect fans directly. But it does effect the program in terms of facilities and recruiting abilities. Those things are a factor in a team's ability to win. $21 million per year is NOT fighting for scraps.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 21, 2014 11:38 a.m.

    io--

    "Go Aggies! Currently the least money making, most winning, relevant team in the UTAH STATE!"

    Not according to the Sagarin Ratings, which rated usu below both U/byu. usu's final SOS ranking was #74 in '13. They not only played against an overall weak schedule [their SOS was greatly enhanced by playing U/USC], they only beat two teams all season long which finished w/a winning record, 7-6 UNLV/8-6 CSU. And Sagarin didn't think too highly of FSU/NIU, either, as he rated them in the 50s, in great part due to each of them having a triple-digit SOS. Weak-sauce schools padding their records against featherweights.

    Furthermore, usu lost to both U/byu. How in the world could one believe usu is the most relevant team in the state?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2014 12:14 p.m.

    Sofa,

    Utah state the most relevant?

    LOL!

    I like your program better than I like byU's, but even I can admit you are the littlest brother in the state, even more little than byu.

    Utah still is a nobody and will always be a nobody.

    NO big time conference will ever call you.

    You will never even dream of playoffs, unless the mid-majors schedule their own.

    You beat byu and Utah once ever 15 years and your head starts getting a little big.

    LOL.

    Outside of the state of Utah, hardly anyone knows Utah state even has a program.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    May 21, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    look at all the ute fans with their feelings hurt...

    chrisb said it best and I quote:

    "Utah still is a nobody and will always be a nobody."

    LOL

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    May 21, 2014 2:19 p.m.

    Breaking News:

    byu under investigation for giving student athletes improper benefits!

    Your program is FINISHED

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    May 21, 2014 3:19 p.m.

    I agree with CB as well regarding utah always being a nobody, LOL. BTW, what in the world would ute fan do without BYU to hate? Think about it??? Your very reason for existing would disappear along the BYU football program. Hating Colorado, your new rival, just won't be the same.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    May 21, 2014 5:57 p.m.

    The next "BCS" game involving utah, will be witnessed, if at all, by my grandchildren who will have never heard of the utah "glory days".

  • West Jordan Ute West Jordan, UT
    May 22, 2014 11:03 a.m.

    It will be very interesting to see how this works out. The P5 are getting away from FCS teams like Weber and No. Colorado. So they need someone like UNLV to fill their schedule. The schools like BYU and UCONN really should be in a big conference if life was fair but we all know its not fair. Obviously MWC is not going to be a P5 level but if they can schedule multiple P5 teams, they dont need BYU as much anymore. I think some of the P5 would like to push BYU down to the MWC level. The money divide is going to explode here in a next few years and it will be much harder to jump up into the P5 for recruiting, etc. As always, GO Utes!!

  • truth in all its forms henderson, NV
    May 24, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    BYU is not a prestigious program from a storied power conference. They are not a quality enough opponent for the prestigious mountain west conference. I respect the Mountain west for only wanting to schedule quality teams from quality conferences like Utah from the prestigious PAC 12.

  • Sambonethegreat Salt Lake City, UT
    May 26, 2014 6:02 p.m.

    @AZUTE

    It's true the Aggies lost to both the U and the Y and that their schedule is weaker. However, I think the spirit of Sofa's post is right on.

    Utah State DID win the most games last season. Utah State almost won their conference. Utah State was the only in-state team to win its bowl game. Neither BYU or Utah can claim any of those things from last season.

    The Aggies also had the highest television ratings of all the in-state teams last season. And better yet, the Aggies had the most players put into the NFL either via the draft or free agent contracts.

    Fact: The Ags are doing much more with much less than either the U or the Y and people have rightly noticed.