Sounds like Thompson is still bitter about BYU leaving "his"
conference."At issue is whether independent BYU should be
considered a strong enough team, from a strength of schedule standpoint, for
other teams to count them as a non-conference Power 5 opponent..."In the 2014 Preseason Football Power Index (ESPN), BYU is ranked ahead of MORE
THAN HALF of the teams in the P5 and well ahead of EVERY team in the MWC:#27 Washington#28 Oregon St#29 Notre Dame#30
Missouri#31 BYU#32 Arizona#33 Texas Tech#35
Virginia Tech#36 TCU#37 Iowa#38 Indiana#39 Maryland#40 Utah#41 Pittsburgh#42 Duke#43 Nebraska#44 Kansas St#45 Arkansas#46 Penn St#47 Georgia Tech#53 Boise St (highest ranked MWC team)#63 California#65
Nevada#66 Colorado#68 Fresno St#76 Utah St#78
Isn't Thompson the same guy that came up with "The Mountain?" Take a look at next year's MWC schedules. Which school's
Strength of Schedule would come down because they were playing BYU instead of a
Conference USA team?
Wow..... I'm speechless. The pressure is on to win out and win out big
The handwriting is on the wall for a once great football program. When your old
conference will no longer take you back and one conference after another no
longer considers you a "power" opponent, you are looking at the ranks of
a DII program and elimination of athletics at BYU is not far behind. My question
is how did the Cougars get to this position. Unfortunately, the answer is the
At one point in time the MWC had the potential of being one of the top 4
conferences in the country. Thompson is one of the main reasons this
didn't happen. I honestly can't believe that he's still the
Oh PaaaLeeze! Thompson is so full of himself. Anyone who knows any history of
the MWC knows he's to blame for BYU walking. If BYU was brought up it was
probably people being hopeful scheduling will get tough enough that BYU might
consider returning to MWC. Things would have to get a whole lot tougher than
they are now and access to playoffs would have to get a lot better for the MWC
(don't see that happening soon). Then they would have to give some sweet
incentives for broadcasting. If you read the whole story at CBS, it makes a lot
more sense. It's too early for anyone to come begging back to the MWC.
“We're playing them more out of history, geography and convenience
than schedule strength,” Thompson said of BYU."This after
all the nice things byu fans have said about Thompson over the years. Shocking!
After decades of byu fans thinking they are better than everyone else and
burning bridges everywhere they go, the PAC 12, big 12, acc, sec, and now even
the WAC 2.0(mountain west) are talking down to byu!I joked about it
happening, but it's quickly becoming reality. Byu and the rest
of the mid majors are essentially division II schools at this point. No law suits will keep byu relevant any more than they will get byu invited to
a big boy conference. We aren't inviting you The
big 12 isn't inviting you after Holmoe acted like head Texas AD. Maybe the big 10 or the NFL will invite byu.Lol!Your
program is finished!
Translation: Thompson wants BYU back in the MWC. That BSU game with
Tennessee-Martin did wonders for BSU's strength of schedule.
Until byu plays a P5 schedule, meaning playing 9+ games against top competition
(in one season, and not spread out over 7 years), they should not and will not
be considered to be a part of the big kids' table. Take the higher
pre-season power ranking and whatever other small moral victories that get
thrown byu's way; because winning out or not, byu's schedule this year
just isn't going to impress anyone, as seen by the SEC, ACC, and now lowly
MWC all agreeing that byu is anything but a power football program.
Thompson has always been a troubling piece of work. But I think the issue here
is that the MWC teams already have a weak schedule in their own conference and
are looking to gain credibility by scheduling the (dreaded label) Power 5 teams
in their non-conference slate. So despite the MWC obviously being below
BYU's caliber, it makes sense I guess for them to consider not scheduling
BYU even though their is no comparison with the SEC and MWC. The problem for BYU
is that they have weak MWC teams on their schedule 3.5 times a year already, and
if these games get dropped then we might be talking about a 3 for 1 with the
YMCA of Idaho. Yes the SEC can still schedule BYU, but if they
don't count as a non-conference Power 5, then why schedule and risk losing
to BYU. I hear a lot of "we will be fine" comments about BYU and
independence but I don't think most BYU fans realize how difficult the
scheduling process could be moving forward. It has already been a fiasco the
first three years of independence and it's looking increasingly worse by
BYU's current snowballing predicament reminds me of the classic line from
the movie "A Knight's Tale" that says, "You have been weighed,
you have been measured, and you have been found wanting."And the
fact that the Mountain West Conference of all entities has found BYU wanting is
as gratifying as it is cathartic.
BYU is in trouble. Plain and simple. This is not rocket science. It's like
being snubbed on prom date, because you chose the other person, instead of your
steady and your chosen one decided to dump you and your steady is now just
"thinking" and "considering" you, after initially snubbing her.
How sad. Rugby, anyone?
I wonder if the MWC would be bold enough to take a shot at BYU and discourage
members from scheduling the Cougars if they follow suit and decide to not
recognize BYU as a P5 school. That would place a lot of pressure on BYU. It
would also put Boise St. and Utah St. in an awkward spot. It'll be
interesting to see what happens, but I can't image Thompson and Dodds would
be foolish enough to try it...
BYU needs a conference in a bad way.
I've been a huge BYU fan for over 40 years. But I have to say that BYU fans
are always more concerned about what we think we deserve and with rankings vs.
real results on the field. If we would just WIN our games against power teams,
these issues would take care of themselves. I don't want us to TALK our way
into championships. We need to EARN them. Boise St, TCU and Utah all got to
better conferences by winning 2 BCS bowls apiece. BYU? Zero. I agree
the current situation is unfair, but we need to make a better case for ourselves
by winning. Beat at least the obvious ones like Virginia. Beat Utah at least at
home. It starts with good coaching. Fire Anae and get someone with
real experience, smarts and ability to organize our team. Utah arguably won 2
bowl games off of the talent of Urban Meyer. Boise and TCU also had great
coaches in their era. We're at a crossroads where we decide whether we go
up or down. BYU has to decide why it plays football and how serious it wants to
I'm surprised this didn't occur sooner. Why would a conference keep
scheduling games against a team that just left the conference? BYU stuck up
it's nose at the MWC but then came running back when they couldn't
schedule anyone. I think the ACC/SEC gave them an excuse to finally say no.
ACC/SEC got the ball rolling and it's only getting bigger.
Thompson is so full of himself it's laughable.If the SEC and
ACC won't consider BYU a strong OOC opponent, what makes him think
they'll consider any team in the MWC?
Many have said all along that BYU needs to bring a good show to the field,
including beating Virginia and Utah. They need an offensive game plan that
features running backs, receivers, tight ends, offensive line, and a versatile
QB. And they need to bring it to the field every game. It's all politics
with the power conferences. The bottom half of every conference is far worse
than BYU is, but BYU cannot lose to such teams and remain relevant to
scheduling. I'm proud of the deal with ESPN, but that will fade if BYU
continues to lose to lower tier P5 teams. Bring it to the field Cougars.
It's the only way.
I don't think it would be a great idea for the MWC to "disapprove"
conference members playing BYU, but at the same time I hope we never, ever, ever
let that primadonna back in the conference. It's bad enough having to live
in the same state as BYU without them whining about not getting special
treatment from the conference. We already have Boise State, we don't need
Troubling? Yes. Trouble? No, not yet.I too read the article
yesterday on the cbs site. My sense was more Thompson enjoying the opportunity
to talk about BYU without having anything really to say. The phrase that kept
sticking out to me was "adding them adds 7 more losses."I'm not arrogant / naive / foolish enough to think that all 7 losses go
to them and the victories all go to us, but you gotta know in a room of reps
from each school in the MWC, that's more what they are worried about.
I'm laughing at all the naysayers, doomsdayers, and BYU haters who are
panicking over Thompson's ludicrous fantasy. If the P5 schools
won't schedule BYU, they certainly aren't going to schedule MWC teams,
so who will the MWC schedule, CUSA and MAC teams?The truth is, the
MWC has almost no chance of qualifying a team for the four-team playoff, so what
difference does it make who the MWC schedules OOC?
I'm a ute fan, but I truly fear for this program. BYU has simply got to
find a conference. Bend the rules about Sunday play. Change some of your high
handed stances on social issues, but by all means, find a conference that will
allow at least a reg schedule of semi meaningful games. Will you struggle should
the MWC take you back? Probably. But you are seriously being excluded by major
conferences for scheduling purposes and this could be a disaster. A situation
where utah will only offer you a two for one is just around the corner and you
will find yourself saying, please sir? May I have another? Get real and get
cracking. I'm no cougar fan! but I have good friends who are (well,
okay---not that good of friends) and they deserve better.
eastcoastcoug"Boise St, TCU and Utah all got to better
conferences by winning 2 BCS bowls apiece."So, by winning two
BCS games, Boise St "earned" their way into the MWC, the conference that
BYU and Utah helped create, and then left??? Wow, that's some
reward for being one the most successful non-BCS programs.Despite
all of the claims to the contrary, the truth is, conference realignment was
completely driven by one thing, television, and Utah got into the PAC 12 for the
exact same reason Colorado, Maryland, and Rutgers were invited to the PAC 12 and
B1G, and Boise State wasn't - untapped lucrative television markets.
2014 Ute juniors without a bowlBYU will be invited to the playoffs,
before Utah earns its first trip to the Rose Bowl.Mark it Down!
UFan:P5 schools may be more likely to schedule MWC teams than BYU
for a pre-season game, or a filler game, if they think it is more likely to be
an automatic win. Think of it this way: if a FCS team was seriously
talented and had a track record of taking down FBS teams, how attractive is that
team on the schedule of big league teams? Who wants to lose to a FCS team?This is the predicament BYU finds itself in. There may (or may not) be
a window of opportunity for BYU to get into the Big-12, but if they don't
achieve that... and quickly... they become the pariah that P5 schools want to
avoid playing if it hurts them on strength-of-schedule AND there is a reasonable
risk of a defeat.This is the no-man's land BYU may end up in.
Thompson is just jealous that BYU has a better television deal with ESPN/BYUtv
than he was able negotiate for his entire conference.
This is just a ploy by Thompson to try to force BYU back into the MWC.
Thompson is desperately trying to make the MWC seem more relevant by pretending
they're just like the SEC and ACC.
It's all politics. And money.I'm still unsure if
independence was a good idea for the long term. BYU could get squeezed out big
time.Aggie238, I have to say, before USU starts acting and talking
high and mighty, it would be nice if you performed at a higher level over a
sustained period of time. You got into the MWC (and the old WAC) by default
despite trying for 50 years. In your weaker conferences, you never dominated.
You had better prove yourself before you try to knock BYU down. This is not
anything against USU. I want USU to succeed, but do it on the field.
Everything else is hot air.
BYU just needs to play an exciting brand of football and start piling up 10- and
11-win seasons and regular Top 20 finishes like they did during the late
70's and 80's, and the rest will take of itself.No need to
panic over the self-agrandizing fantasies of a commissioner who foolishly drove
BYU out of his conference through his own incompetant handling of The MTN
phantombladeSalt Lake City, Utah"Despite all of the claims
to the contrary, the truth is, conference realignment was completely driven by
one thing, television, and Utah got into the PAC 12 for the exact same reason
Colorado, Maryland, and Rutgers were invited to the PAC 12 and B1G, and Boise
State wasn't - untapped lucrative television markets."Of
course byu did no such thing in their partnership with ESPN, right? Wow, the
arrogance of you people is absolutely off the charts. What is it going to take
to humble the byu fan base?
I think independence suits BYU, they are essentially still playing in the
Mountain West for all intents and purposes, but they no longer have to share
their TV revenue. Independence has however lessened the overall quality
of their home schedule. I don't know how the season ticket holders feel
about that, but as long as they are happy there really isn't much of a
downside to independence.
Whether BYU likes it or not they do have a problem. Thompson is a man with an
axe to grind, and it appears, at least on paper, that he is willing to do it. So
in the recent past BYU has been snubbed by the SEC, the ACC, the PAC 10+2, and
now a guy that is definitely not in awe of BYU. While BYU has any clout left
they need to humbly (I know that will be hard) approach some conference and ask
for admittance. Too late for the BIG 12, that ship has sailed, your probably
looking at the AAC or Conference USA. It is apparent that since their move to
independence BYU has lost some athletic credence. And all of Holmoe and
Mendenhalls rhetoric is not going to make it better.
Ufan "If the SEC and ACC won't consider BYU a strong OOC opponent, what
makes him think they'll consider any team in the MWC?"Uteanymous
"If the P5 schools won't schedule BYU, they certainly aren't going
to schedule MWC teams."You are thinking backwards.The MWC is trying to qualify for one of the spots in a New Year's bowl
game. Strength of schedule is a qualification. The MWC is simply asking if
scheduling BYU helps SOS. The article says "for some teams it does".
Other teams might be better off trying to schedule a P5 team. Since BYU seems
disinterested in scheduling more than 4 or 5 big schools a year, it is valid to
question what BYU's future SOS will be.
I'm sorry.....did Thompson just say that BYU isn't worthy of being
scheduled as an opponent for MWC teams based on merit? That the only reason MWC
teams schedule the Cougars is tradition, history, and convenience?? Have we
crossed over into some ludicrous parallel universe??? How does he retain his
dignity when meeting with other conference commissioners after making a comment
like that? They must be snickering behind his back. A person so delusional,
with so little self-awareness, can hardly be taken seriously.I too
have to wonder if Thompson dropped the ball a few years ago. When the Pac-10
was courting the Texas schools I was giddy with the possibilities. It was his
job to make sure the cream of the remaining Big 12 saw that joining the MWC
would make a more than respectable football conference: BYU, Utah, Boise, TCU,
Colorado, Missouri, Kansas St...; and with the dissolution of the Big 12 the MWC
would receive their automatic BCS bid. Also, think of the basketball
conference; BYU, Utah, UNLV, San Diego, Missouri, Kansas... But no, those
schools felt that their best deal was to bow down to Texas' alter. Someone
If this is Thompson's ploy to get BYU back in the MWC, I hope it works.
The indy thing has to go. It was an idea hatched by a Utah alum who is gone.
Get rid of it.
SoonerUteSalt Lake City, UT"The MWC is trying to qualify
for one of the spots in a New Year's bowl game. Strength of schedule is a
qualification. The MWC is simply asking if scheduling BYU helps SOS."Exactly right. The MWC is on a path to regarding byu as competition to
scheduling games with P5 teams that the conference needs. There is no point for
the MWC to schedule byu (another mid-major) since it does not bolster their case
for a Fiesta Bowl bid.btw...No body is out to get byu, they are
simply looking out for themselves. Not much consolation when the shoe is on the
other foot, eh, cougs?
I'm not sure everyone commenting here read the linked article. More
quotes: “Because of the regionality and the history, we played them
a lot and have played them a lot for 100 years,” Thompson said. “We
will continue to play them a lot.”"since 1972 BYU is 87-95
against schools currently in the Big Five conferences. That includes a winning
record against the Pac-12 (55-51) and .500 records against the Big 12 (14-14)
and SEC (4-4)."Yes, BYU needs to find scheduling solutions but
schools in the Power 5 conferences (hate that term, BTW) can schedule BYU and
are doing so but it just won't count as the one required P5 OOC game.
Also, I get sick of everyone thinking BYU has a "humility issue". BYU
is just looking out for their interests the way every school does. No one
claims BYU is an Alabama, Ohio State, or USC but we are certainly better than
many teams in the P5. How many of those teams would love to have the record
listed above? Holmoe needs to figure it out but not panic. Sounds like the MWC
will continue scheduling BYU & probably hope they rejoin.
MWC teams scheduling BYU boosts the majority of their SOS with respect to the
teams they play in the MWC. Scheduling MWC teams does not boost BYU's SOS.
Instead it lowers it and sometimes keeps it the same. (since they are already
scheduling a lot of MWC teams)It is in the best interest of MWC
teams to schedule BYU but not in BYU's best interest to schedule MWC teams.
Tajemnica- "It is in the best interest of MWC teams to schedule BYU but not
in BYU's best interest to schedule MWC teams." LOL
Apparently Tom Holmoe doesn't agree with you.
The writing os on the wall. The departure of BYU from the Mtn West, and
the way it was handled, caused tremendous turmoil within the MWC and WAC (and
the eventual demise of football there). What was said is a precursor to
conference rules regarding OOC games...September only, just like the PAC12. Who
will the Y play in October and November looks like Sunbelt, Conference USA, and
lower tier AAC teams. September games are easy enough. Big Sky opponent for
conference weekend, read Weber State. Then what? More and more games will be
away from Provo as 2 for 1 will become the norm. Will there be 4-5 P5 games a
year with 1-2 at LES? As for SOS, cherry picking a few teams a year spread
across the P5 conferences isn't the same as playing in any conference. No
conference title to add shine for the selection committee. Do you really belive
that an undefeated season against current schedules is enough?The
present is bleak and the future looks worse.
Is this news? DN is waiting deseperatley!This is interesting, SEC
& ACC said no and I can see it coming with Craig Thompson which he will say,
NO TOO! Lol!!As Tom Holmoe said some two days ago, Don't panic
Cougar Nation.Go Cougars!
@EsquireOn field performance has little to do with that sentiment.
It's no secret that most MWC teams don't mind playing BYU or even
having a rivalry. If performance and geography were the only considerations, BYU
would be a good fit. But nobody in the conference wants to put up with having a
member that expects special treatment because of a 30 year-old NC and an HD
truck. But since you brought up on-field performance, what has BYU
done in the last 5 years that Utah State hasn't? College sports is all
about "what have you done lately?"
OK, having now read some other articles Mr. Thompson did not disrespect BYU
nearly as much as the quotes in this article made it appear. In fact, he said
that having BYU in the conference would basically add another 7 losses, making
the members bowl campaigns that much more difficult. THAT is a rational and
reasonable statement with no offense meant or taken.
@souptwinsThat is a little disingenous. You make it sound as if the
only consideration is football, hardly. Also, of that record against the PAC12,
how many wins are against Utah when they were conference opponents in the Wac
and Mwc...20? Nobody owes BYU anything. Further, most really don't care.
I know, I know...Utah blah blah blah. The fact is Utah doesn't have any of
I'm not sure it makes much difference. Don't most of BYUs current
opponents have out of conference schedules that include a P5 school + BYU +
BYU has a big stadium and a large TV audience one of the best in the nation. If
BYU is squeezed out I can see the end of football at BYU. If no one wants to
play with you you leave the game.
I love all the Y fans saying "We are BYU, we'll be fine." If I
were a Y fan, I would be freaking out. Who is going to schedule you in 2016?
This year and next year are fine but you only have 7 games on the schedule for
2016 and only 2 of those are at home!! You have 2 home games scheduled for 2016!
That is insane!! How are you going to get anyone to come to LES? You are 24 months away from the beginning of the 2016 season and soon the only
plan will be calling Savannah St (again), Middle Tennessee, and whatever no
name that will be willing to come for a paycheck. All these TBD games are in the
middle of the season and there is no way that anyone from a P5 conference (or
the mtn west) will take a break from conference play and go to Provo. Also, 2016
is when the conferences start either a 9 game conference schedule or an 8+1 P5.
The thought that anyone worth of note coming to LES in the near future is a
fantasy. The time to freak out is not now, it was a long time ago.
Definition of "Potshot": a criticism, especially a random or unfounded
one.My take is that the MWC has no problem with scheduling byu, and
is even open to discussions about byu rejoining.byu fans, stop with
@Magna Ute FanI don't think it is as much Holmoe not agreeing
with me as it is that MWC teams are easier for BYU to schedule. The #1 obvious
truth is he needs to give BYU football a 12 game schedule. If MWC teams are the
only ones willing to schedule BYU he obviously needs to schedule those games.
First priority is a 12 game schedule, second priority is trying to get good
teams. So far Holmoe has succeeded in number 1 but struggled (with a few
exceptions) with number 2.
SoonerUte"The MWC is simply asking if scheduling BYU helps SOS.
The article says "for some teams it does". Other teams might be better
off trying to schedule a P5 team."Please explain how playing a
lower division P5 team, ranked between 60 and 128, like Washington State or
Colorado, is an "improvement" in SOS over playing a BYU team ranked
somewhere between 20 and 40.Fans throw around labels as if labels
alone define the quality of opposition.If a team is ranked in the
Top 40, what difference will it make to the selection committee if that team is
in a P5, is in a mid-major, or is independent?If a team is ranked in
the Bottom 40, what difference will it make if that team is in a P5, is in a
mid-major, or is independent?There are good teams and there are very
bad teams in every conference.There's no guarantee that simply
being in a P5 makes any particular team good.
Sour grapes from the MWC and from utah fans.BYU could start their own
conference and invite Boise State, Utah State and other great football programs
if they chose.I find it personally funny that u fans are so excited to see
BYU die. WOW, what hatred. I'm sure the the founder of utah, Brigham
Young, would be so proud of the ute fans at this point.
81Ute"As for SOS, cherry picking a few teams a year spread
across the P5 conferences isn't the same as playing in any conference. No
conference title to add shine for the selection committee."Isn't that exactly what Utah has done since the joined the WAC in
1962?Even in their twin heyday years of 2004 and 2008, the Utes only
played a handful of games against quality teams, arguably only one in 2004.It's likely that Utah 2008 wouldn't have finished better than
6-6 if that team had played the schedule Utah played in 2013.When
was the last time Utah played a Top 10, or even Top 20, schedule and finished
with a winning record, let alone ranked?
So, does strength of schedule help in games that you lose? Isn't that
really what the discussion is about?Whether playing BYU helps
strength of schedule or not is debatable, depends on the opponent. I
still think, bottom line is this: in football, everybody is trying to get the
future to come into focus. For BYU, the future is still uncharted. Not doom
and gloom as predicted by our Ute brethren who have long since moved past us,
not as rosey as some of the BYU impatient faithful wish.Win games,
future will get better. Keep losing to bottom dwellers like Virginia and Utah,
and we've got bigger problems that getting true love's kiss from the
SEC , ACC or even MWC won't fix.Nobody can see the future, but
I am blindly optimistic.
Aggie328 "what has BYU done in the last 5 years that Utah State
hasn't?"Like maybe sold nearly triple the tickets to home
games, been watched by viewers around the world many times more, or secured a
multi-million dollar contract with ESPN? Or maybe having a winning head to head
record on the field for the 5 years you're referring to?Other
than financially circling USU many times over, I guess not much.Don't get me wrong - I root for USU in almost all instances and am a big
Gary Anderson/Matt Wells/Stew Morrill fan, and Cache Valley is the most
beautiful spot on the earth in my opinion. But, let's not confuse proven
financial clout as arrogance or insignificant in the overall scheme of things.
After all, the dollar sign drives nearly 100% of the topic we're discussing
here and BYU football has generated way more of it in the last 5 years than USU
could dream of.
Just curious Ute Juniors are all bowl-less - Do you ever have to remove the
crimson goggles and wipe away the fog, or have you just learned to trust what
you can make out from behind the mist???
The definition of comical ironyekute-"byu fans, stop with the
How times have changed. The Ute's are in a conference that they cant
handle, BYU went Indy and now they are regretting it. (A side note I dont think
BYU will stop being Indy, it fits what they church wants, not what the BYU
football fans want) And USU was the only team last year to win a bowl game. With these changes in NCAA Football the Ute's will be the only
school in the higher conference but will pay for it. Well the students will pay
for it. This is good for USU since more in state kids will go to USU for the
lower costs and create a bigger fan base for USU.
correct me if i am wrong but doesnt Boise State have some sort of agreement with
ESPN like BYU? If that is the case, then I would think that Thompson and Holmoe
have already had discussions.
I was going to say that it wasn't Utah, it's fans or the MWC that put
byu in it's predicament...but on second thought, I think that Utah and
TCU's domination over the cougies in the old MWC days had a lot to do with.
Down underSalt Lake City, UT"BYU could start their own
conference and invite Boise State, Utah State and other great football programs
if they chose."Then why doesn't byu do that? Look, you just had the SEC and the ACC tell you that byu was not, is not now,
and will not be regarded as a P5 program. Now you have the MWC considering its
options to limit scheduling byu because byu is not a P5 program. Still, you
people talk like byu is the cat's meow and can do anything and have
everything it wants.Here's what I don't understand...When Holmoe started byu down the independence road leading to no where
the reason cited was "exposure." byu fans have since been in a tizzy
with excitement around their weekly appearances on one of the many ESPN
channels. So what changed? If exposure is the goal, who cares who
byu plays from week to week? With exposure in tact, can someone please tell me
why Holmoe was compelled to put his foot in this hornet's nest? Maybe
exposure isn't the goal but a means to back door into an elite conference??
This is much ado about nothing. The MW teams will not stop scheduling BYU and
the conference, as a whole, can't afford to stop scheduling BYU. I
don't know who Thompson thinks he is, but his comments - and him trying to
be like the big boys in the ACC and SEC - are just laughable.While
BYU needs to be in a conference, IMHO, Thompson's views will not be the
impetus to get them there.
Idaho transplant--- BSU used to have an ESPN deal similar to what BYU has now.
When BSU joined, then stuck with the MWC (after accepting then declining the Big
East) they were given special considerations for TV coverage by the conference.
It's the sort of thing they had originally told BYU they would get but
never delivered when the MWC was originally created. IF (big if) BYU were ever
to go back to the MWC, it would take at least that same sort of deal along with
greater access to the playoffs than the get as an independent. Things may get
tight enough for that to happen but I'm not sure BYU is there quite yet.
For me, I believe they need to win more than anything--- just like everyone
else. Yes, BYU bring baggage. We all know that but I think they also look
& act the most like a P5 team out of all the mid-majors (BSU has football
but not much else).
ekuteLayton, UTI can't argue with Utah's
"dominance" if you will over BYU the last 4 years, but during the MWC
years?One more pipedream you need to get over.
backpen "Please explain how playing a lower division P5 team is an
"improvement" in SOS."I didn't say playing a lower P5
improves SOS. The MWC wants to qualify for a New Years Bowl. To do that, they
need to look as good as possible. Take Boise State for example. Traditionally
they might schedule BYU, but they might instead consider scheduling one of the
better P5 schools. Since the MWC has 9 conference games, they really need to
step up their non-conference schedule to get noticed.You keep saying
"ranked". Traditional polls have a bad habit of rewarding a good
win-loss record with no regard to who they played. The committee will consider
who you played.Really, the push is to get teams to quit playing FCS
schools. In 2013 the SEC and ACC each played 15 FCS schools, The B1G played 10.
Ideally, FCS games go away and open up 40 slots for the MWC and BYU to jump on.
Quit sulking about being labled mid-major. Tom Holmoe should be canvasing
those conferences saying "We will replace those FCS games. We will bump
An olive branch was extended to byu and it's fans respond with arrogance
and bitterness. Not surprised.
I'd vote no to letting buy back in the the mnt west. The knife wounds to
the back have all healed up, no use getting shanked twice. I'd bet the AAC
would take you! LOL
Backpacn "Please explain how playing a lower division P5 team, ranked
between 60 and 128, like Washington State or Colorado, is an
"improvement" in SOS over playing a BYU team ranked somewhere between 20
and 40."I'll explain it to you. The reason that these
teams are for the most part ranked between 60 to 128 is that they play in a big
time conference against big time competition for eight to nine or more games a
year. Someone has to lose and therefore an average team will appear below
average record-wise. Put Washington State or Colorado in the MWC or better yet
let them play BYU's schedule this year. What you'll get is a better
record and higher ranking. This is the one thing that Utah and their fans had
been told but didn't believe until experiencing it. Playing tough
competition each week as opposed to a few good teams spread between tin cans and
weeks off is far more demanding than expected. BYU and their fans don't
know, and the way things are going, never will know what this is like.
Isn't it great that in all of byu's dealings, the OTHER party is in
complete control and can essentially tell byu what to do?the SEC had
all the power when byu asked to be considered a power conference team.The SEC told them no because they are a mid majorThe ACC had all
the power when byu asked to be considered a power conference teamThe
ACC told them no because they are a mid majorThe big 12 had all the
power when byu wanted to join the big 12 years ago, and continues to want to
join.The big 12 has continually told byu no because they are a
mid-major quality football program and university.The pac 12 will
never invite byu because they are a mid-major quality football program and
university.the MWC is even telling byu they may stop helping byu
out.I guess when you go around burning bridges with whoever you work
with, eventually things don't turn out too well for you!byu's football program, and athletics as a whole for that matter, are
further falling behind their quest for relevance - with no hope in sight to ever
Y Grad / Y Dad:While you can argue "dominance" during MWC
years, Utah was 7-5 during that period (which included to BCS invites and wins),
They should get the same lawyers who were negotiating with the Big 12 to
negotiate this one.
VegasUteLas Vegas, NV"This is much ado about
nothing...While BYU needs to be in a conference, IMHO, Thompson's views
will not be the impetus to get them there."Vegas Ute, I
don't think you understand what is happening here. It is't Thompson
saying byu isn't good enough to play MWC teams, it's about Thompson
needed true P5 competition for his conference and byu is deemed to be mid-major.
The MWC has plenty of mid-major teams and don't need byu. SoonerUte at 1:10 pm provides a clear picture. So-CalAggiePark City, Ut"I'd vote no to letting buy back in the the
mnt west. The knife wounds to the back have all healed up, no use getting
shanked twice. I'd bet the AAC would take you! LOL"I've been watching your comments, you seem to be thinking the same thing
I am. It's fun to see Holmoe on the losing end of his own back door /
under the table schemes. This is great entertainment!
Thompson is only jumping on the the hate wagon for BYU. It is funny he even made
a comment like this. Tell you what Thompson. Don't schedule BYU again ever.
BUT brace yourself, USU will be screaming you just cut them off from a yearly
cash cow game. In fact all teams in the cube will be screaming because TICKET
sales skyrocket when BYU comes to town. Please remember too, UoU
snubbed the MWC first, and the MWC made no move or whimper about it, why? The U
doesn't make money like BYU!! They never have.They still don't! I still am laughing why people keep blaming BYU for becoming
independent. They TRIED to bring back the old WAC and got thrown under the bus
by Nevada and Fresno St. who had inside information and maliciously used it
against BYU. So lets stop pretending BYU did something bad and call out the real
Villains, Thompson being one of them and congratulate BYU for doing something
that all other teams in America are tyring to do, make money for themselves.
Lets spend more time talking about the gross greed of the P5.
@So-Cal aggie,As much as I dislike byu, I don't see who byu has
stabbed your aggies in the back. byu has no duty to help anyone out, nor does
any other school. Every school does what they think is best for them, and
that's how it should be.byu has no responsibility to get your
program included into their conference(when they were in the mwc) just as Utah
has no responsibility to get byU or usU into the Pac 12. You have a very small
regional program that no one cares about, similar to byu. But no one owes the
aggies or has a duty to do something for them. byu didn't stab usu in the
back by not getting them into the MWC earlier. It wasn't their job to do
that - it was yours if you wanted to be included.
Does anyone out there actually know the facts regarding conference realignment
over the past few years? All I am getting from 'fans' of both BYU and
utah are fictional opinions created to make themselves feel better about their
current situations. It will be interesting to see how things play out over the
next few years. My prediction is nothing changes with utah. They're
'in' a P5 conference and will more than likely continue to lose for
some time (at least they have stickers). BYU is a toss up. Forget the playoffs
or SOS or anything like that. The fact is that scheduling a 12 game season is
going to get progressively more difficult. I foresee that the only way BYU will
be able to schedule a full slate of games in the future is to either join a
conference, P5 or not, or to hope for some major structural and/or rule changes
in regards to the FBS.
ekuteWhat domination?14 of the last 17 head-to-head
games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in OT,
with the Utes winning a slight 8-6 majority of the close games. Before that, BYU
dominated the series for almost a quarter century.Overall, BYU has
had more recent success.During the Bronco/Kyle eraMWC
ChampionshipsBronco 2Kyle 1AP Top 25 FinishesBronco 4Kyle 211+ Win SeasonsBronco 3Kyle 1Bowl GamesBronco 9Kyle 7Despite the spin from
the hill, it's obvious which team has actually accomplished more, overall.
Man, the arrogance/ignorance of the BYU faithful is mind numbing. You Y fans
are too busy talking about past successes that you don't even see the
writing on the wall. Take a look at my last comment and please answer me, who
could possibly come to LES in 2016? Seriously, take a look and and let me know.
I don't know if people just like arguing on who has the better
team/past, but look at the future. What in the wold is BYU going to do about
its home schedule past 2015?It's frustrating that this
potentially disastrous scenario is pointed out and yet people ignore it and slam
their chests while talking about past conference championships that they
aren't even apart of anymore. Who cares what the U or Y did while in the
MWC, it's irrelevant.I guess you can keep on talking about 1984
while your future is fading right before your eyes.Have fun piecing
together a schedule while we welcome the likes of UCLA, USC, Oregon, and
Stanford year in and year out.
311uteMan, the arrogance/ignorance of the [Utah] faithful is mind
numbing.You've convinced yourselves that simply being in a big
boy conference and playing a better schedule has made U "better".Of course, not even Utah fans would consider 4-5, 3-6, 2-7 records, with
losing, bowl-less seasons "successful" for any team, except Utah.Despite the frantic and emotional predictions of gloom and doom from the
haters, Tom Holmoe will negotiate BYU's scheduling hurdles and BYU will
emerge the stronger for overcoming their "us against the world"
Christopher BOgden, UT"As much as I dislike byu, I
don't see who byu has stabbed your aggies in the back. byu has no duty to
help anyone out, nor does any other school. Every school does what they think is
best for them, and that's how it should be."Hey,
Chris...ease up on the Aggie fans. Apparently, you don't remember or are
not aware of the way Holmoe used USU to get what he wanted. When the scheme
backfired, Holmoe walked away saying "oh well," joined the WCC, and left
USU without a conference. It had nothing whatsoever to do with byu not being
responsible to get USU into a conference byu left. What Holmoe did was beyond
reprehensible and brought into sharp focus his personal ethics. Which, by the
way have showed up again, now.Further, if Aggie fans don't want
byu in the MW conference that is their sentiment and doesn't concern you.
Having read their comments, I cannot think of anything to refute the list of
reasons Aggie fans have put on this thread for why they don't want to
associate with byu in the MWC...not one.
3grandslamsIowa City, IA"Thompson is only jumping on the
the hate wagon for BYU. It is funny he even made a comment like this." Ah, yes...byu is always the victim."Tell you what
Thompson. Don't schedule BYU again ever. BUT brace yourself, USU will be
screaming you just cut them off from a yearly cash cow game. In fact all teams
in the cube will be screaming because TICKET sales skyrocket when BYU comes to
town."LOL! You really think byu brings that much to the table?
Clearly, the SEC and ACC disagree. "Please remember too, UoU
snubbed the MWC first, and the MWC made no move or whimper about it, why? The U
doesn't make money like BYU!! They never have.They still
don't!"No, the Utes did not snub the MWC. You made that
up. Utah gave constructive notice to the conference of their pending invite and
left with the respect of the MWC in tact. There were no back room discussions,
under the table deals, or juvenile name calling when the Utes left. The break
was clean, reasons were understood, and no bridges were burned.You
weave a good story though.
311ute"Who cares what the U or Y did while in the MWC, it's
irrelevant."YOU DO!It's the only time in
Utah's entire football history that the Utes became relevant on a national
scale.Unfortunately, the brief sunbursts of 2004 and 2008 faded
almost as quickly as they appeared and the Utes have returned to their
accustomed place at the middle to bottom of the pack, cannon fodder for the big
boys of the conference.If U dispute that, calculate Utah's
average conference finish WAC/MWC/PAC since 1962 and you'll see that Utah
being a perennial conference middle to bottom dwellerfeeder isn't just
smack, it's a fact.Even more so since U joined the PAC.
@ 3grandslams"Please remember too, UoU snubbed the MWC first,
and the MWC made no move or whimper about it, why? The U doesn't make money
like BYU!! They never have.They still don't!"How did Utah
snub the MWC? Utah was invited to join the Pac-10 and they accepted their
invitation. Any team in the MWC including BYU would do the same thing. BYU never
had an invitation to join another conference. Their hated rival (Utah) received
an invite to join a power conference (Which is something BYU has coveted for
many years) and they got jealous. Since Utah left BYU behind, the cougars felt
entitled to something greater than what they were getting in the MWC. BYU's
envy for Utah was a direct result in BYU snubbing the MWC to go independent. I don't care what people say. BYU going independent was always a
knee-jerk reaction to Utah joining the PAC-12. The timing of BYU's
independence move seems to back that up. If Utah was never invited, BYU and Utah
would still be in the MWC.
311uteReno, NVI'm with Anti BCS. When I hear from a Utah
fan, on a BYU story, that I am the arrogant one, I do not feel overly concerned
that I might have missed something at my last introspection.Ignorant? Wish I could say that never happened either.We'll
see.But your touching sympathy for your brethren in the valley is
truly magnificent. Duly noted.
anti BCSAnaheim, CA"Tom Holmoe will negotiate BYU's
scheduling hurdles and BYU will emerge the stronger for overcoming their "us
against the world" challenge."Here's what Tom Holmoe is
doing...Holmoe has "done a great job of providing leadership,
understanding what’s going on, keeping his hands on the pulse of things.
He’s on numerous committees. He goes to lots of meetings and has great
relationships with a lot of people around the country.” Deseret News, May
15So, as long as Holmoe understands what's going on, keeps his
hands on the pulse of things, occupies a seat on committees, attends his
meetings, and keeps his friends, byu's scheduling hurdles are nothing to
worry about. Wow, that list of do's certainly drives to the heart of life
in Utah County.
MUSSing with UReally? I can't believe you responded to my post
that way. Do I care about those two undefeated season, of course I do but it is
not the topic of conversation. The topic is the future of the Y and their
scheduling issues. My point remains that as of right now, both the U's and
Y's past successes don't mean squat. Furthermore, that the Y has
nobody to play in 2016. Somebody, please logically respond to my
posts and answer the following questions:Who is BYU going to
schedule for home games in 2016? The open dates are mostly in Oct. As far as I
can tell, nobody has an opening that time of year due to CONFERENCE SCHEDULES.
Even Norte Dame saw this coming and partnered up with the ACC. SMH,
I post a serious question about the Y and I get nothing but the irrelevancy of
Utah Football. You guys crack me up. Keep that head and in sand while the rest
of college football moves along without you.
311uteSorry to disappoint U and the other kids on the hill, but the
majority of BYU fans are simply riding out the current storm, rather than
launching into the full-scale panic mode that our BYU-hating friends were so
desperately hoping for.Things always look darkest just before dawn.
Does ANYONE care what Thompson says or thinks? Nope, not even his own conference
I think the MWC should regularly evaluate its ongoing relationships with BYU.
They should only schedule games to the extent that the games benefit the
conference and its teams. Personally, I like USU playing the Y on
conference weekend as long as it is on a one for one basis.
little perspectiveWhy are you and the other BYU haters so worried
about BYU's scheduling "woes"?Are you so intimidated
from living in BYU's shadow that you've lost your will to compete and
are simply hoping that BYU will quietly go away?btw, Olympus Cove is
hardly in the heart of Utah County.
Amazing--but predictable--that at least half the comments are from haters. It's ironic--but predictable--to hear the Ute fans blaming
BYU's current predicament on BYU's supposed arrogance. How soon the
haters forget that what started the avalanche that unzipped the MWC partnership
was that *Utah* left, not BYU. I don't blame the U for jumping
to a better conference, but it was well documented at the time in interviews
with BYU officials that in spite of all the disagreements between BYU and the
MWC, BYU had no plans to leave unilaterally. However, once Utah left, BYU saw
no compelling reason to remain in what was by that point an clearly
dysfunctional monetary arrangement. These same haters who now crow
about how the P5 schools are so far above "lesser" programs and
conferences are the ones who whined loudest back in the 90s about it not being
fair that they were not being talked about as NC contenders in their two glory
years. Irony abounds.
Snack PACOlympus Cove, Utahlittle perspective"Why are you and the other BYU haters so worried about BYU's
scheduling "woes"?"For years I've listened to byu
fans talk like the college sports world would collapse without byu. Here, the
college sports world is letting byu know where it stands and still byu fans talk
like the college sports world will whither away without them. The difference
now, of course, is that your comments are in print. Priceless! In
short, the entertainment value is absolutely off the charts.btw...is
byu not in Utah County?
@ Snack PACMost BYU fans aren't panicking; this would be silly
thing to panic about in the grand scheme of things. However, there are many BYU
fans, yourself included I'm sure, that recognize BYU needs to have a sense
of urgency when it comes to getting into a conference, or nailing down a
I wonder how long before USU will have to tell BYU that they will only do a 2-1
home deal for football.
3grandslams:"...TICKET sales skyrocket when BYU comes to
town."That's a myth. The only school last year that saw
it's ticket sales max out was your game at Utah St, but even then, USU sold
the exact same number of tickets as when Boise St. and Weber St. came to
town."...UoU snubbed the MWC first, and the MWC made no move or
whimper about it, why? The U doesn't make money like BYU!! They never
have.They still don't!"The MWC didn't move to keep
Utah in the conference because they knew that NO ONE in that league would
decline an offer from the Pac-10. They couldn't say, "No, don't
go. The MWC is a tougher, more prestigious league, and you'll make more
money here than over there." That's also why they didn't fuss
over TCU leaving for the Big 12. And for what it's worth, Utah DOES make
more money than the Y. We outsell you in licensed paraphernalia, and our $26+
million/yr TV/Bowl/CCG is over 4 times as your ESPN/probable-postseason/no-CCG
WA_Alum&Dad:"...BYU had no plans to leave unilaterally.
However, once Utah left, BYU saw no compelling reason to remain in what was by
that point an clearly dysfunctional monetary arrangement."It was
a knee-jerk reaction. Look...the cougars had no designs to leave a MWC that
included Utah, TCU, SDSU, UNLV, Wyo, CSU, AFA, and UNM. They'd been
playing in that consortium since 2005, and even LONGER without TCU. So Utah
leaves, but Boise St. arrives. As far as conference strength goes, it was a
push. A 2-time BCS bowl winning program leaves, and is replaced by a 2-time BCS
bowl winning program. So why was a Utah-MWC good, but a BSU-MWC bad?Answer: It wasn't. It was practically the same. The problem was the
cougars got jealous of Utah, felt entitled to more than what they'd
deserved, and left in a knee-jerk reaction once they found out the Big 12
didn't want them either.
Enough of the "knee jerk" " jealous of Utah" nonsense. BYU had
discussed going independent multiple times and had contingencies for doing just
that in place long before Utah left (again Val Hale is a relative and obviously
had inside info about all this). I suppose Utah fans think BYU could throw all
the independent deals with ESPN and announce it's departure only 2 months
after Utah left all on the fly having never searched it out before? Please.
Despite being rivals on the gridiron and hardwood, BYU and Utah were close
partners in forming the MWC to begin with and establishing leadership and
direction for the conference together. When Utah left BYU had/felt no more
loyalty toward the MWC because of perceived injustices...whether perception was
right or wrong only Thompson & BYU really knows.As to whether
BYU felt they deserved more....it's hard to argue they didn't
considering how much more money and exposure they have received since leaving.
Apparently they knew something all the ute haters didn't...that they did in
fact deserve more because they DO in fact make more. Kind of destroys any idea
that they were unjustly entitled doesn't it?
Rose Bowl call yet?Salt Lake City, UT2014 Ute juniors without a
bowlBYU will be invited to the playoffs, before Utah earns its first
trip to the Rose Bowl.Mark it Down!_____________Invited to the playoffs? How about some cookies with your milk? BYU has
to earn its way to the playoffs.
Wow.Just. Wow.In reference to the Mountain West
Conference commissioner: How petty can you get? Does he REALLY think that the
average MWC team is better than BYU?Got some ocean-front property
here in Oklahoma I can sell you....
ekuteLayton, UTDefinition of "Potshot": a criticism,
especially a random or unfounded one.My take is that the MWC has no
problem with scheduling byu, and is even open to discussions about byu
rejoining.byu fans, stop with the potshots.___________So far the only conference to work with BYU over Sunday
play is the MWC. BYU should go back if they could. They already know the MWC.
And would have good competition from Fresno St. USU, Boise St...
little perspective"For years I've listened to BYU fans talk
like the college sports world would collapse without BYU."You're making that up; I'll bet you can't cite one single
comment from a BYU fan that even suggests that the college sports world would
collapse without BYU.-----------navelvetIt's common knowledge amongst those with behind the scenes knowledge,
that out of loyalty to Utah, the decision makers at BYU were reluctant to jump
conferences without Utah being included. Whether Utah fans want acknowledge
that, or not, it's a fact.
navel vet"It was a knee-jerk reaction. Look...the cougars had no
designs to leave a MWC..."Don't kid yourself. BYU's
plans to leave the MWC were formulated long before Utah jumped ship. As soon as
Thompson stabbed BYU in the back on the MTN television contract, BYU began
serious internal discussions about putting into place plans for going
Independent that had been decades in the planning.
@ Aggie238, I realize you love your school, but it hasn't performed at a
high level. The tradition is weak. So, you ask, has BYU done any better than
USU (or vice-versa)? In the past 5 years, your measure, BYU has been on the
weaker side, going 44-21. USU, much of that in the WAC,36-29. BYU went to bowl
games each year. USU didn't. Is that enough? Shall we talk about
national rankings and strength of schedule ratings, too? Sorry, but USU just
isn't there yet. Maybe some day. Until then, go easy on knocking BYU.
It's just not looking good for BYU. A sad day is coming when the Big Sky
Conference will say that BYU does not help their SOS. And Idaho St counts as a
power conference opponent with any of the major conferences.
Re: Deep BlueWho cares about pre-season rankings? BYU has
been favored in the last several games against Utah, but the Utes got it done on
the field.BYU lost to Utah and Virginia last year. Utah
didn't lose to a bad team last year, and they also beat a team that won a
BCS conference and finished #10 (Stanford).BYU has to win games that count
(Texas was good, but not that good as Texas had 0 players drafted). Anything
that was gained from the Texas win was lost with the game against Virginia.
BYU should join the MWC.It is better than the American Athletic
Conference (AAC) which BYU is in in football.(play 4 games in 2014)Nov 2014 schedule is horrible:@Middle TennesseeUNLVSavannah State@Cal
@ Chamberlain"As soon as Thompson stabbed BYU in the back on the
MTN television contract, BYU began serious internal discussions about putting
into place plans for going Independent that had been decades in the
planning"As bad as the MTN was, why didn't BYU just go
independent and team up with ESPN early on to avoid the MTN fiasco?@
Cougsndawgs"When Utah left BYU had/felt no more loyalty toward
the MWC because of perceived injustices...whether perception was right or wrong
only Thompson & BYU really knows"Why didn't BYU just
declare their independence the same day Utah announced they were joining the
PAC-10? Why did BYU wait 2 months after Utah made their announcement they were
leaving the MWC?Seems kind of ironic with the timing of BYU's
independence announcement. After Utah's PAC-10 announcement, BYU was
scrambling for 2 months trying to figuring out what to do.If BYU
planned independence years in advance. They would've had a conference to
put their non-football sports in. The WCC was a temporary fix when the WAC plan
backfired. It was not BYU's first choice.
@Cougsndawgs "Enough of the "knee jerk" " jealous of Utah"
nonsense"That's right, BYU is in a much better position
than the Utes. The Y is very secure right now with their independent status in
football while the P5 becomes more powerful and the SEC, ACC and MWC are showing
signs of never scheduling BYU again. And the WCC over PAC12 in basketball is
another distinct advantage. Nothing to worry about guys, all is well.
Its a simple math concept. BYU wins a lot of its games. If a team does that
they usually increase a SOS rating. Teams that lose a lot hurt SOS.As far as any of the old WAC and MWC teams go, there really are only a few
games out there that benefit BYU. SDSU, SJSU in California and TCU, UTEP, UTSA
and others in Texas are recruiting trips easily paired opposite with a PAC or
B12 "partner" so BYU gets into each state yearly. Other than those
teams I would love to continue seeing Air Force because that is a special game.
The rest of those teams are up and down or not worth scheduling save USU and
Boise State which we already have on long term contracts.
Bleed Crimson:"If BYU planned independence years in advance. They
would've had a conference to put their non-football sports in. The WCC was
a temporary fix when the WAC plan backfired. It was not BYU's first
choice."They did have a desired conference for their Olympic
sports, the WAC...thanks for pointing that out. When the MWC invited Fresno
& Nevada that option was gone. If anyone follows anything about what it
takes to be profitable & successful in independence, 2 months isn't
very much time if planning and contingencies hadn't been in place.Xam:"That's right, BYU is in a much better position than the
Utes. The Y is very secure right now with their independent status in football
while the P5 becomes more powerful and the SEC, ACC and MWC are showing signs of
never scheduling BYU again..."Please explain how any of what you
stated here has to do with what I was talking about. I didn't state they
were in a better position than Utah. I'm one of only a few Cougar fans that
feels BYU needs a conference. Explain your rant here please.
Fighting over scraps... that is what byu utah and even USU is doing.no schools in Utah have a chance at becoming a playoff team. The utes may
think they do because they are in a P5 conference, but being in a P5 conference
does not make you a P5 team. And lets just say that utah somehow wins the
pac11.u... more than likely that won't even get them in to the playoff...
there is nothing saying the top 4 ranked teams have to come from 4 different
conferences. There is a higher probability that the top 4 teams will come from 2
or even 3 conferences.On to money...I know money is important
to the schools and is a huge part of sports, but as a fan it doesn't mean
squat!What fan wants to say "we lose all our games but, but we make
the most money!" Are you kidding me? Fans want to win games, so
stop with all the money talk, it means nothing to fans without winning games!lastly...Go Aggies! Currently the least money making, most
winning, relevant team in the UTAH STATE!
@ Cougsndawgs"If anyone follows anything about what it takes to
be profitable & successful in independence, 2 months isn't very much
time if planning and contingencies hadn't been in place" If
a team like BYU really did plan to go independent over a decade ago, then they
would have picked a year in the future to begin their independence journey and
they would have began scheduling teams for the first couple of seasons years in
advance. They would also need to find a conference partner for their
non-football teams such as the WAC. BYU would've had better schedules to
start off independence and a better conference for their non-football teams. If
BYU would've done this, they would be in better position when conference
realignment began in 2010. But they didn't! They declared their
independence two months after Utah joined the PAC-10. As a result, Tom Holmoe
had to put together a schedule in a short period of time for the next football
season. It's either poor planning on Tom Holmoe's part or
it was a knee-jerk reaction to Utah's PAC-10 invite. Timing of BYU's
independence announcement would indicate the latter.
@ Ifel Of'a-sofaWashington State was in the Rose bowl as
recently as 2001 and Washington went 0-12 in 2008. Just because Utah is down
now doesn't mean they won't be able to make a serious run a few years
down the road. Things have a tendency to dramatically swing in CFB. Money doesn't effect fans directly. But it does effect the program in
terms of facilities and recruiting abilities. Those things are a factor in a
team's ability to win. $21 million per year is NOT fighting for scraps.
io--"Go Aggies! Currently the least money making, most winning,
relevant team in the UTAH STATE!"Not according to the Sagarin
Ratings, which rated usu below both U/byu. usu's final SOS ranking was #74
in '13. They not only played against an overall weak schedule [their SOS
was greatly enhanced by playing U/USC], they only beat two teams all season long
which finished w/a winning record, 7-6 UNLV/8-6 CSU. And Sagarin didn't
think too highly of FSU/NIU, either, as he rated them in the 50s, in great part
due to each of them having a triple-digit SOS. Weak-sauce schools padding their
records against featherweights.Furthermore, usu lost to both U/byu.
How in the world could one believe usu is the most relevant team in the state?
Sofa,Utah state the most relevant?LOL!I
like your program better than I like byU's, but even I can admit you are
the littlest brother in the state, even more little than byu. Utah
still is a nobody and will always be a nobody.NO big time conference
will ever call you.You will never even dream of playoffs, unless
the mid-majors schedule their own.You beat byu and Utah once ever 15
years and your head starts getting a little big.LOL. Outside of the state of Utah, hardly anyone knows Utah state even has a
look at all the ute fans with their feelings hurt...chrisb said it
best and I quote:"Utah still is a nobody and will always be a
Breaking News:byu under investigation for giving student athletes
improper benefits!Your program is FINISHED
I agree with CB as well regarding utah always being a nobody, LOL. BTW, what in
the world would ute fan do without BYU to hate? Think about it??? Your very
reason for existing would disappear along the BYU football program. Hating
Colorado, your new rival, just won't be the same.
The next "BCS" game involving utah, will be witnessed, if at all, by my
grandchildren who will have never heard of the utah "glory days".
It will be very interesting to see how this works out. The P5 are getting away
from FCS teams like Weber and No. Colorado. So they need someone like UNLV to
fill their schedule. The schools like BYU and UCONN really should be in a big
conference if life was fair but we all know its not fair. Obviously MWC is not
going to be a P5 level but if they can schedule multiple P5 teams, they dont
need BYU as much anymore. I think some of the P5 would like to push BYU down
to the MWC level. The money divide is going to explode here in a next few years
and it will be much harder to jump up into the P5 for recruiting, etc. As
always, GO Utes!!
BYU is not a prestigious program from a storied power conference. They are not a
quality enough opponent for the prestigious mountain west conference. I respect
the Mountain west for only wanting to schedule quality teams from quality
conferences like Utah from the prestigious PAC 12.
@AZUTEIt's true the Aggies lost to both the U and the Y and
that their schedule is weaker. However, I think the spirit of Sofa's post
is right on.Utah State DID win the most games last season. Utah
State almost won their conference. Utah State was the only in-state team to win
its bowl game. Neither BYU or Utah can claim any of those things from last
season. The Aggies also had the highest television ratings of all
the in-state teams last season. And better yet, the Aggies had the most players
put into the NFL either via the draft or free agent contracts. Fact:
The Ags are doing much more with much less than either the U or the Y and people
have rightly noticed.