How odd that you advocate for religious freedom in Africa, but won't do the
same in the US. Many churches have no problem with same sex marriages and
abortion. Yet the conservative religionists in this country are bound and
determined to prohibit both.If it is wrong to impose religiously
based concepts on the unwilling in Africa, why is it wrong here. And please no
references to the old, sad argument that same sex marriage legality violates
your religion. NOBODY makes anyone get same sex married or to have an abortion.
It is about your individual conscience, your vision of a deity, and your
ability to be true to your own principles. If Africa allowed this
live/let live principle, perhaps they would not have wars. If America were
consistent in its live/let life philosophies, the whole debate would just go
away. However, conservative religionists in the US will not be content to do
so. How sad.
Education for women and access to birth control is what's needed to make
these places better, not religion.
Religion is the root cause of the problem in Nigeria, among other places.
It's not going to give up power easily.What they really need is
empowerment of women.
In some parts of the world the concept of changing one's religion is
highly, highly frowned upon, which may be part of the problem with the young
Christian woman who is being threatened with execution.I work with
people from India, some whom are Christian and belong to a church founded by the
Apostle Thomas - which is pretty amazing, a lost branch of Christianity that
goes back to the beginning - but the understanding in India is you don't
attempt to talk other people out of the religion of their upbringing. It is
viewed as an insult to the family, their ancestors, etc.
If the religious freedom folks have the ability to control the oppression of
women why is it that we still have sex slavery and women fighting for equality
in America after 2 and 1/2 centuries? America is supposed to be the champion of
religious freedom. Education? Maybe. The problem with education is
that it creates more competition for success and makes it harder for the rich
and powerful to stay rich and powerful.
It seems to me like the main focus of most religion is to hold down women and
keep them as second-class citizens. Why should we support "religious
freedom" to continue this hateful discrimination?
@1aggieReligion thrives best when it fosters and
"us-against-them" mentality. Part of that includes targeting and
brutalizing less powerful groups, with the inherent threat that questioning the
status-quo will mean you are targeted, too. Yes, women are often
targeted and controlled. But other target groups include race and ethnic
minorities, sexual and gender minorities, immigrants, "hippies" and
"protesters" - look at the scorn heaped on the occupy movement and the
police brutality used against them - as well as unpopular political opinions.
When I hear that a group will "lead to the destruction of Godly
American society" I know that religious fears are being poked to raise money
and power by targeting a minority. Uganda, like the rest of the
world, does not need religious freedom, it needs freedom from religion.
Let's not forget that religious freedom among the Moslems in Nigeria has
them circumcise their girls so they won't enjoy sex. And religious freedom
among the Jews here in America has them circumcise their baby boys.
Without Religious freedom, America would be in the same position as most South
American countries! If anything, if America weren't America, SSM might
only be a distant voice in some prison cel, rather than being lauded as the
pinnacle of human aspirations as the media would like every one to see! Judging
from the opinions expressed here, I can only say with profound puzzlement that
whatever Christian religion they are referring to, it is one I am not familiar.
I've studied and lived among many different religious sects of
Christianity and this is nothing of what I have experienced or seen. I will say
without any doubt, however, that without Christ, the dark ages would not be a
distant memory! Those who denigrate religion will one day find out how wrong
they were, even if they spend their lives living off the light and knowledge
it's influence has brought to the world.
Freedom of religion does have much to do with what is going on in Nigeria. That
the girls were forced to renounce Christianity and pray to Allah shows as much.
The issues of religious freedom might vary from what they are in the U.S., and
some see this editorial as reason to debate things going on in America. Be that
as it may, it is good of the Deseret News to call for religious freedom in
Nigeria. I also think of the criticism that this attention is a little
late, for people have been being persecuted for Christianity for quite some
time, with nary a finger being lifted until the 276 (or however many) girls were
abducted. It would be good if we, the public, were outraged at it all, not just
this incident. But, we only have so much time for so much news. I think of the
story of the person walking along the beech, saving starfish, only to be told it
doesn't matter since they all can't be saved. "It mattered to this
one," he said.
It would be good to address the underlying need, which indeed is for religious
freedom. That will not be easy, though, as the lack of religious freedom, in
this case, springs out of hatred for Christians, a hatred that has been building
up for decades, maybe centurys. As with many of the world's problems, the
answer is love, but love is not an easy answer.
You can do all the education you wish, but it may not solve your problems. Our
education system seems not particularly great yet we do much better than many
countries even with the restraint Obama puts on industry. Property rights would
do a great deal of good in Nigeria. Arming some of those Christians might also
make Boko think twice.
Guns are always the answer aren't they Chauncey? It doesn't matter
than the bad guys are the only ones who know when they will attack and who.
2,000 armed men were on LAX property yet they could not prevent the murder of a
security guard could they? Christ said turn your weapons into Plowshares, Utah
and conservative followers of Christ say "Buy more guns".