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How did Utah, BYU, Utah State, SUU, UVU and Weber State fare in recent NCAA APR report?

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  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    May 15, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    Great to see all these schools doing such a good job of remembering these kids are students first, since most of them will need that education and will not compete in their sports for a living.

    As a bonus it is great to see the Utes doing the best job of all the major in-state schools. Go Utes!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    And once again we see why the University of Utah was such an attractive option to the Pac 12.

    Great athletic
    Great academics
    Research institution
    Classy fan base

    Thanks for working hard on and off the field guys!

    Keep up the good work

    Go UTES!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2014 10:53 a.m.

    Also interesting report coming out today regarding byu is the ACC's decision to NOT treat byu like a power conference team and NOT give them an exception. Why? Simple. They are a mid major, with focus on the "mid" part rather than the "major"

  • Aggie238 Logan, UT
    May 15, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    Well, that kinda blows up some myths...

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    May 15, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    We are good on academics and byu is not good on academics because they are not in a power conference like we are and the report proves it.

    Go Utes!

  • noodles Logan, UT
    May 15, 2014 12:58 p.m.

    Actually Utah State scored 981, which is better than both Utah, BYU, and Weber.

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2014 1:21 p.m.

    APR is based on the percentage of scholarship athletes who graduate within six years.

    BYU's APR is skewed because of the large percentage of athletes who serve missions.

    An athlete who serves a two-year mission and takes five years to graduate (which is very typical of students nation-wide) wouldn't meet the NCAA's standard for graduating within six years, even though the athlete was only enrolled in school for five years.

    Given that very real handicap, it's remarkable that BYU does as well as they do.

    If APR was calculated on the number of years BYU athletes were actually enrolled in school, BYU's APR would be much, much higher.

    Utah and Utah State also have the same handicap, but to a much lesser degree.

  • RSLfanalways Why, AZ
    May 15, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    Here are the 2012-2013 Football APR by school.

    USU 988
    Utes 970
    SUU 950
    BYU 938
    Weber 938

    I am surprised that BYU is that low. Good job USU they are in the Top 5 for APR in Football.

  • RSLfanalways Why, AZ
    May 15, 2014 1:29 p.m.

    Some more facts from the NCAA website

    Highest 2012-13 APR for FBS Programs

    1) Texas, Louisville 1,000

    3) Air Force 997

    4) Stanford 995

    5) UCF, Minnesota, Utah State, South Carolina, Wisconsin 994

    10) Indiana, Rutgers 991

    Highest Multi-Year APR for FBS Programs

    1) Duke 992

    2) Northwestern 991

    3) Wisconsin 989

    4) Boise State, Utah State 988

    6) Stanford 984

    7) Clemson, Georgia Tech 983

    9) Boston College 981

    10) Missouri, Nebraska, Rutgers, South Carolina 980

    14) UCLA 979

    15) UCF 978

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    May 15, 2014 1:47 p.m.

    Noodles says USU's APR is higher than BOTH Utah, BYU, and Weber. lol

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2014 1:48 p.m.

    Fact Chequer,

    You need to check your facts

    From the KSL link in the article:

    Relative to retention calculation for BYU student-athletes who embark on LDS missionary service, the NCAA says that "Legislated exceptions/allowable exclusions include student-athletes who...have participated in official religious missions."

    In other words, academically-eligible student-athletes who leave BYU to serve church missions do not negatively impact the school's retention components"

    Check your facts next time

  • Tajemnica Santa Monica, CA
    May 15, 2014 2:22 p.m.

    I would love to see a similar report that includes all students. Not just student athletes. It would be interesting to see what the rankings look like as far as acadamic success and graduation rates for all students.

  • Tajemnica Santa Monica, CA
    May 15, 2014 2:39 p.m.

    ...follow up...

    Checked the stats on Utah's big 3 for all students (not just student athletes)

    4 year graduation rate: BYU 30%, USU 27%, utah 22%
    6 year graduation rate: BYU 77%, utah 58%, USU 55%
    8 year graduation rate: BYU 85%, utah 71%, USU 60%

    Average SAT/ACT scores: BYU 1912/28, utah 1695/22, USU 1642/21

    Make with that what you will. And Cletus? Athletic conference affiliation has nothing to do with graduation rates for the entire student body and very little for student athletes. I don't know what you think this report proves. Both utah and BYU are excellent in academics. utah especially so for medicine and BYU especially so for business/law. USU great as well with biology/agriculture.

    And Chris B. Classy fan base? That's funny.

  • The Anti Chris Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2014 3:06 p.m.

    Now if the utes could actually win some games in major sports that would be something. I am guessing that moral victories must have counted more than an actual victories in regarding the u's ranking.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 15, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    Leave it to Chris B to turn this into a conference affiliation thing!

    Cletus: love your TIC posts! Awesome!

    Congratulations to all of the schools for hitting the high marks, unlike UNLV!

    Go Utes!

  • Che26 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 15, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    As someone who took classes at both BYU and Utah I just want to point out that BYU's freshman classes are significantly more difficult than the general classes at the U. At the U if I put in a decent amount of work and did all the reading I could usually pull off an A.
    At BYU I would spend hours and hours studying and doing extra practice tests and I would be lucky to get a C+.
    Both are great academic institutions, but something needs to be said about the difficulty at BYU compared to Utah.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2014 3:42 p.m.

    Vegasute,

    AS for conference affiliation, if you've got it, flaunt it!

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 15, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    As FACTchequer pointed out, APR is based on the percentage of scholarship athletes that graduate within 6 years. Here are the number of returned missionaries on the 2013 rosters for BYU, Utah State, and Utah.

    BYU 45
    Utah State 23
    Utah 19

    When over half of your athletes (45 of 85) aren't even enrolled in school for two of those six years, it's difficult to maintain a high APR. Base the calculation on the number of years athletes are actually enrolled in school (an apples to apples comparison) and BYU's APR would easily surpass USU and Utah.

  • Utah Alum Orem, UT
    May 15, 2014 3:54 p.m.

    Che26

    I also attended both schools, graduated from the U, and I can confirm that your experience was very similar to my experience - classes at the Y were much more rigorous than they were at the U.

  • Alpine Blue Alpine, UT
    May 15, 2014 3:55 p.m.

    In spite of Chris B/Naval Vet (along with other BYU-hater trolls) continued almost daily insistence that BYU is "only a mid-Major" program, that Bleacher Report (never a great BYU supporter) has for the past year been including BYU and Notre Dame in their list of 68 Major Football programs. This list of 68 include the 66 members of the Big 5 BCS conferences along with these two independent programs.

    Hate to explode your urban legend myth, but impartial (unlike you) minds do understand that the BYU brand is much more than a mid-Major, but indeed a true Major program. And much more a major brand than certain poor sister members of these major conferences to include Vanderbilt, Iowa State, Virginia, Indiana, Utah, Ole Miss, Washington State, et al.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2014 4:21 p.m.

    deep blue,

    I point you as well to the KSL article LINKED in this article:

    Fact Chequer,

    You need to check your facts

    From the KSL link in the article:

    Relative to retention calculation for BYU student-athletes who embark on LDS missionary service, the NCAA says that "Legislated exceptions/allowable exclusions include student-athletes who...have participated in official religious missions."

    In other words, academically-eligible student-athletes who leave BYU to serve church missions do not negatively impact the school's retention components"

    Want to try that one again?

  • Swishfrom3 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2014 6:46 p.m.

    as a BYU fan, ouch to factchequer...ad deepblue must not understand the comments either.

  • ajweston Murray, UT
    May 15, 2014 7:51 p.m.

    Part of the measurement is continued academic progress (can find an adequate explanation on wiki). Meaning if a student athlete left school for say, 2 years, would have a negative effect. So let me ask, how many of BYU's athletes are returned missionaries? These formula's are calculated on a 5yr cycle because that is now the average time it takes to graduate. These reports have come out for years and for years they've said BYU is the hardest to grade because most of their players take 6-7yrs to graduate. I believe BYU has more than 50 football players currently serving missions. That is going to seriously effect this study. Yes Utah (and other schools) also have missionaries; but they are not the overwhelming majority of their roster. Also, I'm not sure why anyone is stating that because a school is in a major conference, they have better academics. Of the Top 10 Academic Schools in the nation, only 2 are in a major conference. On that list (US News & World Report..not cougar board) the University of Utah (#121) is 59 spots below Brigham Young University (#62).

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    May 16, 2014 5:32 a.m.

    Jim McMahon will increase BYU's APR when they decide to give him a back dated diploma.

  • Eddie Would Go FPO, AE
    May 16, 2014 6:56 a.m.

    "Relative to retention calculation for BYU student-athletes who embark on LDS missionary service, the NCAA says that "Legislated exceptions/allowable exclusions include student-athletes who...have participated in official religious missions.

    In other words, academically-eligible student-athletes who leave BYU to serve church missions do not negatively impact the school's retention components."

    That is a simple cut-paste from the KSL article referenced in this article about the APRs of the Utah schools.

    Sorry BYU fans,the "but we have more missionaries than everyone else" argument doesn't hold water. The NCAA is well aware of BYU's missionaries, and takes their uniques situation into account.

    Here is another interesting quote from the KSL article referenced above: "While BYU's institutional APR score held relatively steady and the football program saw a slight but important jump that keeps the team clear of the NCAA's "danger zone," relative to low-performance infractions."

    Congratulations Cougars, on staying clear of the "danger zone for low-performance infractions." That's getting it done!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    @ Alpine Blue

    The SEC, ACC, BIG, Big XII, and PAC-12 all consider BYU to be a mid-major. That accounts for a lot of impartial minds. The only people who consider BYU to be a major program, are BYU fans.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    May 19, 2014 1:20 p.m.

    This is how I see it. I think we should be proud that our schools and coaches support the graduation of so many student athletes.

    Go UTES!