A video is probably the most impartial eyewitness on the planet.
I know this man and he wouldn't hurt anyone. He is a very nice and humble
man that is from Peru. I know these rookie cops and they are taught to treat
everyone as a criminal. The rookie cop did things buy the book and not by
common sense. Things escalated. This is a tragedy the way they treated Pablo.
I did say he was from Peru and is a citizen of the US now, but his customs are
different from our. I know some you hard hearted blogger will still condemn
him, but it is what it is.
Pablo has been stopped by police 14 times. He knows he is supposed to obey the
officer's commands. He started out cooperating, but then he got upset and
stopped cooperating, then he resisted the officer. The officer just did his
job. If you stop cooperating, or resist, they are SUPPOSED to take you down for
their own safety. The officer doesn't know who is armed, and who is not.
He doesn't know who is on drugs, or violent, and who is not. He has to
obey procedure for his own safety. The critics should remember that an officer
was recently murdered during a traffic stop simply for walking up to the
vehicle. These officers put their lives on the line for our protection. They
deserve a little more understanding from the public.
Don't we live in an interesting country? The Obama administration has
released hundreds of illegal criminals from prison, yet here is one hard working
and obviously humble sheep herder concerned for his lambs during lambing season.
The officer might have practiced charity and telephoned one of his own family
members or friends to drive his truck home. How about an ESOL class so that
Pablo can pass his driver's license test? I hope that the judge will
remember that the merciful shall obtain mercy.
One can conjecture much about this situation. One can be following the law and
still be morally wrong. Why did the rookie cop not offer to give Mr. Geronimo a
ride to his sheep or at least somewhere the sheepherder could find some other
assistance?It seems more and more small town police are acting like
officers in larger venues who get away with roughing up (and killing,
sometimes). The small towners seem to think they have to show their power and
authority the same way.As one who has chronicled the actions of law
enforcement and the courts most of his life, I've never seen such a mass
movement toward abusing the power to stop and arrest.How many times
in his 14 other encounters with the law did the officers take him down and harm
him physically? Was this rookie thinking he would get a result better than other
officers had? The rookie likely would have had a report from the dispatcher on
wants and warrants for Mr. Geronimo.Of course the police chief
supports the rookie. He sees lawsuit written all over this incident.
The officer started out OK but then lost it when he seems to be losing control
of the situation. This probably reflects the immaturity and inexperience of the
officer. I also worry about the prevailing culture of our law enforcement
officers. I say that because of my own experience with a sheriff deputy a few
years back. I am a law abiding citizen. Retired senior military medical officer
but one day when I stopped to check out an accident at the entrance of my
neighborhood to see if I was needed to render aid and to see if the victims were
family or friends I had an encounter with the sheriff deputy. I was walking
back to my car after discovering that EMS had everything under control and the
victim was not someone I knew when the sheriff started yelling at me for being
out of the car. I started to explain why when his anger elevated. I tried to
calm him with an explanation and he became more agitated. As he approached
yelling at me he became distracted by something else and I used that to get out
of his sight and attention.
If the officer told the sheepherder that the truck was being impounded then the
sheepherder was complying and leaving the truck in the officers hands. The sheepherders walking away from impounded vehicle was part of his
compliance and was his only way to get to lambing sheep.
Get off the officers back. None of you were there, none of you have seen the
video. From the article it seem like the officer was trying all reasonable
steps to help the guy, but then the "victim" didn't comply with a
reasonable request by the officer to stay in the car. I'd like to hear
what some of you would say if the officer would have let him walk away and the
guy got hit by a car? Would you still crucify the officer? Most likely you
would. If he got hurt for refusing to comply with a reasonable request by the
officer and got arrested, then it is on him, not the officer.
An off-duty officer once told me that whenever he is in a conversation with
anyone that the officer is trained to be thinking- "I need to be ready to
kill this individual at any moment".A scary thought. Especially
for an citizen who hails an officer and has the notion that the officer is
somehow his friend and is there to help.When I am at work providing
goods and services, my training and instinct is to be thinking about ways that I
can help the person I am conversing with. A stark contrast.
Policeman. Peace Officer. Patrolman. Law Enforcement. Protector.Knowing which role to play and which hat to wear is the mark of a mature
person. Seems the sheepherder needed a Peace Officer more than a
Law Enforcement bully. "Let me follow you to your sheep,
Geronimo, and then I'll talk with your boss about getting you a
license."There are many fine policemen and women with more
wisdom and maturity who would have done differently than this officer and
achieved a better outcome. One doesn't always have to be mean and loud to
get to the end desired. In many cases kindness, empathy and understanding work
Re: "I know this man and he wouldn't hurt anyone. . . . I know these
rookie cops and they are taught to treat everyone as a criminal."You may know him, and believe he wouldn't hurt anyone, but the cop
doesn't.And you're quite likely wrong about the
criminal.Yes, police are taught to treat everyone as if they could
be a criminal. Because it's the only way to make sure they can collect that
pension we so grudgingly offer them. But, if you had the slightest experience
with cops, you'd know they also treat criminals with all the respect they
can safely offer.There are plenty of untrained, inexperienced,
self-absorbed naysayers out there, each believing they know how to conduct
police operations better than trained police officers. But if police officers
were to listen to them, it's not the callow naysayer that'll be dead
the next time a traffic stop goes bad.It'll be the officer.
procuradorfiscal:If this stop happened in New York or Chicago,
I'd not have thought anything about it.But in small town Utah,
with a man whom law enforcement knew quite well? Shouldn't have happened.
You seem quick to judge others as not knowing as much as you about traffic
stops. Maybe you do. Maybe you don't.My belief is the rookie
thought he was going to show those other cops in the 14 previous stops that he
could do what they couldn't, and it didn't work out like he wanted it
to.If the rookie is so inept that he can't handle a 63-year
old, 5 foot 5 inch sheepherder without beating him down, he might want to
consider changing professions.
baddog: All this cop showed is how scared he is of his job, and how
much he wanted to make a name for his self. And before any and all of you start
to scream, yes I use to live there and Naples has one of the worse police forces
in the Basin. And any one that lives there will say the same thing. And most of
the people might even compare it to WVPD because they act the same way.
@pb,When you don't follow officer's commands and resist... they
have to take you down. Regardless of your age or height. They don't know
you are really a nice guy (most of the time).He's not licensed
to drive, and he's driving an illegal un-registered vehicle. And he
resisted the officer... and you blame the OFFICER??How is the
officer supposed to know the guy who broke the law and is now resisting him is
really a nice guy? He has to do what he's trained to do... take the
suspect down until they can get him restrained because he didn't comply
with orders.Tell everybody you know not to do this. No matter how
good a person they are... don't ignore the officer's commands.
Whether you like them or not.Just do what he says and there would be
@baddog Cedar Rapids, IA,It doesn't matter if it's Chicago
or small town Utah... if you resist... there's going to be problem. Bottom line is... you have to obey the officer's reasonable
commands (whether they match the customs in Peru or not). That's the
message that needs to get out...- Obey the law... and NONE of this
would happen.- Obey reasonable commands... and NO INJURIES would have
happened.- Break the law and ignore the officers commands... and there
will be a problem (regardless of your age).- Being taken down on the
asphalt is not always a graceful or comfortable thing (for the officer OR the
perpetrator).===What do the people who blame the
"rookie" for everything expect? When perp resisted... just
stomp his foot, and put his hands on his hips, and say, "I'm going to
count to 3 and if you don't come back... I'mmmm... gonnna.... stomp my
foot again"....?That may work at your house... but it
doesn't work on the streets when the officer needs to finish, and you just
want to walk away...
How does turning and walking away get you charged with assaulting a police
@baddog,I can tell you have never been a law enforcement officer. Perhaps
you could ask some of those officers in small towns who have done just what you
suggest, give the guy a ride home or to work or wherever, only to have the guy
go get a gun and shoot you. Oh, that's right you can't because they
aren't around anymore. Yes, it happens. The officer gets shot for trying
to be the nice guy. From the article, it appears that the officer did more than
he would have normally done. Calling for a friend to come get the truck, which
also could bring someone with nefarious intent, more than once in fact. He told
the guy to stay put and he left. Bad. Such conduct shows intent to escape or
evade. He tried to evade arrest and fought the officer, then got taken down.
No problem with it.Oh, and ten years wearing a badge in a small town
many years ago gives me some expertise in the matter.
I guess this cop figured it would be easier to beat the tar out of Pablo then
drive him exactly 4.1 miles to the hospital, rather than "serve and
protect" and help Pablo out in a time of need and drive him exactly 1.6
miles to house.