Oh good! More mindless blather from Mike Lee, and it’s the kind of
nonsense “Conservatives” love to hear.Let’s see
now. Mike Lee found a welcoming audience of fellow Koch Brothers employees at
the Heritage Foundation, a pretend “Think Tank” funded by the Kochs.
No surprise there.And what did he say? Corporate Welfare and
Crony Capitalism, oh yeah, there we go, two more buzz words with impact,
Koch-brothers approved no doubt.Crony Capitalism is bad huh? What
would be an example of that? How about the 1.3 billion FEDERAL dollars that
went to the Salt Lake City Olympic games in 2002? The LA games a few years
earlier received a fraction of that amount. Well, somebody in Utah definitely
has connections in high places. But that’s bad, right?And
then there’s “Corporate Welfare?” That term was appropriated
from the Dems. The Kochs must have done a study and found that term plays well.
What Corporate Welfare are the Kochs upset about anyway? . . . subsidies to Utah
farmers?I guess we will find out what the Koch Brothers really mean
by that in future Mike Lee speeches.
Lee is telling us what we have suspected all along; the lobbyists on K Street
are writing the legislation and the campaigns are sponsored by big money. This
system quickly corrupts even the most ethical new congressmen.To make
matters worse committee membership isn't decided by talent, background or
geography. It is based on how much money you can raise for the party.No
doubt the system will eat Lee alive for telling the truth. GaryO has already
Lee's hypocracy is boundless. He panders to the practitioners of crony
capitalism and now criticizes them. He doesn't care what's good for
the United States, Utah,or the people. He only cares about what's good for
Mike Lee. I wish there were some way to impeach him. We deserve better.
"Crony capitalism" is the republican's strongest platform.
It's what they're all about.
Lee could start in his own backyard. He doesn't have to look far at all.
While I agree in concept, I have no expectation that he will make this a
bipartisan cause. When I read this article earlier today, I thought, wow, this
is could be good. But as I thing about it more, I find it sad that his argument
on crony capitalism is likely a cynical partisan endeavor. Will he support the
overturn of Citizens United and similar cases that have turned the mega-rich
loose on us? Will he support efforts to take away tax giveaways to profitable
corporations and Wall Street millionaires? Will he condemn the very people who
have funded him? Will he team with Sen. Bernie Sanders in his efforts to
reverse the appalling trend of the disparity between the rich and the rest of
us? Will he become a Teddy Roosevelt style trust-buster, or just another tool
of the wealthy as they manipulate the American people into total and complete
submission and fealty? Alas, I look for more than rhetoric, and doubt it will
@ Say No to BO, here is an issue that most of us agree on. GaryO is not
attacking Lee for telling the truth. He is condemning the hypocrisy. Rather
than condemn GaryO, join us, all from different perspectives, in calling on Lee
to not play the hypocrite, but to actually work for real reform. We all agree
with what you say about Congress and K Street. Please don't make reform a
partisan issue by knee-jerk reactions to criticism and skepticism about Lee, who
has been the beneficiary of crony capitalism. It's really up to Lee to
convince us that his words have meaning and he will truly act to overcome crony
capitalism. Forgive us if we need to be convinced of his sincerity.
Hey Say No –“ . . . legislation and the campaigns are
sponsored by big money . . . “No kidding, the Koch Brothers
OWN the Tea Party. “GaryO has already begun.”
Really? I’m the first person to ever identify Mike Lee as the willing
dupe of Plutocrats he really is? That doesn’t say much for journalism in
America, does it?Ernest T Bass –“Crony
capitalism is the republican's strongest platform. It's what
they're all about. “Exactly! The Republicans are its
biggest practitioners.And you expect us to believe the Republicans
are going to destroy their own power base?! It ain’t gonna happen.
Not worried about the system, but each guy that works the system.
We could use 51 Mike Lee's in the Senate. Then Freedom would be restored
in the United States.
@ BrentBot, how? Define what you think is the problem, a proposed solution, how
to get it passed even with 51 Mike Lees, and then how to get it passed in the
House. If Lee is right that big time money and lobbyists control, then tell us
how to fix it. Expressing your love for Mike Lee is not really very helpful in
getting to a solution. Where is the action beyond a speech or two? I'm
serious. I'm beyond weary of talk and no action by Congress.
Mike Lee is the pure definition of crony capitalism. Just follow the money.
I support Mike Lee's efforts 110%.Liberals complain loud and
hard CONSTANTLY about the big money in D.C. controlling everything. Here's
a guy who at least TRIES to do something about the "pay for play"
attitude and, yet again, the libs. can find something to cry about.Based on a few of the comments here; I'm guessing that the liberals LIKE
@ Fitness Freak, other than a speech, what is Lee actually doing about it?
@Fitness Freak 9:25 a.m. May 1, 2014 ...Liberals complain loud
and hard CONSTANTLY about the big money in D.C. controlling everything.
Here's a guy who at least TRIES to do something about the "pay for
play" attitude and, yet again, the libs. can find something to cry about.Based on a few of the comments here; I'm guessing that the liberals
LIKE crony capitalism?----------------I think
you're mis-reading the comments. They aren't in any way praising or
supporting+ crony capitalism. They are commenting on the fact that Lee says one
thing and does something 180 degrees opposite to his words. His actions show
that he is not "a guy who at least TRIES to do something about the "pay
for play" attitude." By his actions, he is supporting, not contesting
and seeking to eliminate, crony capitalism. As the old saying goes,
actions speak louder than words. Lee's actions show that his words are not
true and accurate depicters of what he supports.
Biting the hand that feeds you...Believe what I say, not what I
do...That which has enabled Mike Lee to do what he has done, is
doing, and will continue to do...screams so loudly...It's difficult to believe what he says.
I wish they wouldn't use the term "crony capitalism". That is just
a PC word used to hide what is really going on. The proper term is Fascism.
The businesses are allowing the government to control them so that the
government will use its power to destroy their business rivals.To
those of you that say that Mike Lee is a hypocrite, explain yourselves. You are
making accusations but provide no verifiable facts to back up your statements.
I might as well be saying that Obama wants to put your kids on plantations.
To "OtisBDriftwood" that is not crony capitalism. That is fundraising.
Crony capitalism is where government offices or power is used to promote or help
one business over another. Just because a fundraiser is held that is expensive
to get into does not mean that Lee used it as a way of using his public office
to benefit one business over another.Using your definition, that
would mean that Obama is engaged in crony capitalism too. Are you really ready
to say that Obama is a crony capitalist?
@Red Shirt...Simply remove the blinders. Think for yourself and attempt not to
allow our President's race effect your view. (That's what educated
individuals would call racism). You know as is the ignorant statement you made
in your post referencing plantations. A simplistic Google search reveals some
startling facts regarding your buddy and soon to be ex Senator Mike Lee.
To "Jimmytheliberal" wow, you threw in the race card out rather quickly.
Again, if Mike Lee is engaging in crony capitalism as it is properly defined,
then prove it. Where has Mike Lee used his position in Washington to benefit
businesses by giving them money or help beyond their competitors? Give me a
verifiable source.Also, if what Mike Lee has is crony capitalism,
then read about Obama being "caught" in Hollywood at a high priced
fundraiser. See "Obama Is Hollywood's Man Once Again, But What Will
Renewed Celeb Enthusiasm Cost Him?" in the Huffington Post.To
"OtisBDriftwood" where is the hypocrisy? Lee is doing nothing different
than what Obama has done.
where's the evidence of Mike's hypocrisy? Tell's the truth and
look what happens, as usual! Mike Lee was given a standing ovation, the only
one, at the Republican convention. These are smart people (just like me)! I am
as close to a libertarian as one can be and still be called a Republican at the
convention. Mike Lee is the Jefferson Smith of our day! I wish we had 99 more
just like him. It would force all you addicted to government programs to start
thinking for yourselves!
Boy... this article sure got the leftists in an uproar...All I want
to know is... what's the obsession with "Koch Brothers"...?Ever googled them and read anything about them and their charitable
giving? Or do you just get your talking-points from MSNBC snark attacks?===So many have said he's a hypocrite for wanting to
stop crony capitalism, and he can't use the term "crony
capitalism"... Why?I think he wants to fight it in BOTH
parties... How is that hypocrisy?===What examples do
you have of Mike Lee himself being involved in Crony capitalism? Can you give
us some specific documented instances of him doing crony capitalism?
Himself... not the party. We know both parties do it.If Democrats
think THEIR party doesn't do it... I can give you a list... Just let me
know if you want it. It will take my remaining 3 posts...
If the Leftists don't like him THIS much... he must be doing something
right... or they wouldn't be acting like a bothered hornet's nest.====They keep saying we should impeach him, and in the
opinion thread they insist he doesn't represent most Utahns... But at the
same time they say that most voters wanted Obama and elected him in a
landslide... so we should support anything he wants.That seems so
contradictory.Mike Lee won his election. 61.7% Lee, 32.8%
Granato... and they pretend it doesn't matter... it wasn't the voice
of the majority.Obama won his election. 51.1% Obama, 47.2%
Romney... that's closer, right?But they pretend Obama won by a
landslide and has a mandate from the majority that can't be denied... but
Lee wasn't selected by the majority in Utah...I don't
understand the twisted logic these people use...=====Mike Lee seems to bother them so much... he MUST be doing something.They insist he will lose next time... Hint: he won 61% to 32% last time...
he's probably going to win again. You think Utah's going to pick
Hey Jimmy, keep race out of it. The current President is plain and simple
terrible. It has nothing to do with race, his social or liberal leaning. He is
just plain and simple, naïve, nonsensical, non experienced, no business or
personal experience (only experience is in giving one mans resources to another)
ill logical, ill prepared, ill mannered, unable to take responsibility for his
own actions and results, unwilling to share in successes, unaccountable for his
time while in office (other than more rounds of golf than any other sitting
president), uncompromising(negotiating only goes one way with him), unwilling to
be transparent as promised, unable to keep promising (if you like your Dr you
can keep him/her)or his version of cronyism. Not once in this explanation of my
dislike for the President and his behaviors and actions did race ever come to
mind. But now that you've brought it up, he had a great opportunity to
millions of people of all races, religions and circumstances to lead by example
- but that ship has long ago sailed, here and throughout the world!BTW - Mike Lee is a good man. Just like his father!!
I saw the CNN news on Mike Lee also. They caught him being a hypocrite. The
snowbird deal was hysterical. He was so angry that he was caught! And it was
all for his rich donors. Then there was the Alta Club fund raiser for his rich
donors also. Again can anyone tell us what Mike Lee has done to
help America? really? Did he provide insurance? Did he help our economy? Did
he get us out of the war? Did he help the poor with minimum wage legislation?
Has he championed equality? Name one piece of legislation he has done. I
can't find anything positive about the man.Also he would not
have been elected had our "unique caucus system" been out of force. Bob
Bennett was clearly more popular. He has done nothing except line
his own pockets and have some donors over for lunch at the Alta Club.
Mkithpen I'm sure that Mike Lee is a "good man" but I had a
neighbor once tell me that good people (or even great people) sometimes
don't make great neighbors.
@Utefan60 7:58 a.m. May 2, 2014Mkithpen I'm sure that Mike Lee
is a "good man" but I had a neighbor once tell me that good people (or
even great people) sometimes don't make great neighbors.----------------Even wose, they don't make great
representatives when they (like Lee) are concerned about furthering their own
ends, and don't give a fig about the people they are supposed to represent.
To "Utefan60" how is Mike Lee having a fundraiser at Alta hypocritical?
None of you ilk has been able to explain that. To do so you will have to show
how Mike Lee has used his influence in government to benefit those businesses in
a way that hurts their competitors.Plus, if you think having an
event at a ski resort is bad and hypocritical. How about this. What would you
say about a politician that constantly is telling us that we need more income
equality and how the rich shouldn't be so rich, then has a fundraiser at
the home of some Hollywood actor and all of their Hollywood friends. If you
didn't know, that was Obama in 2012 having a fundraiser at Geroge
2 bits,The day he goes after both parties will be the day I stand up
and give him an ovation. I however don't expect to be standing for him any
time soon, but I hope he proves me wrong. Mike Lee has been in
Washington for two years and what has he done other than make a lot of
speeches.As far as the Koch Brothers go, yes they donate to
charities and have a website to make sure everyone knows they do. I am not
going to guess about their motives I will give them the benefit of the doubt. I
don't think however that donating to charities guarantees that you are a
good person though, look at Donald Sterling.
How about responsible spending? Why can't we live within our means as a
country? Seems like a recipe for disaster, financially.
RedShirtCalTech , I don't mind political fundraisers but Mike Lee was a
hypocrite about the Snowbird event. He had stated openly to the American people
that he was not doing that kind of activity. CNN went after him because he was
being untruthful. When he was caught on tape you should have seen his face.
Kid with his hand in the cookie jar! It was exactly what Americans need to see
about Mike Lee!Again I don't care about fundraisers, but lying
to the American public about them and then doing exactly what he said he
wouldn't do is being a hypocrite.
To "Utefan60" what is hypocritical about Mike Lee attending the Snowbird
event? Did he say that politicians shouldn't have fund raisers? Please
explain because so far nobody has been able to back up their claims.
@RedShirtCal...I'm aware that you suffer tremendous memory loss due to the
fact that you are a typical nonsensical conservative. However, a simplistic read
of your initial post you purposely used the word "plantation". Only a
backwards thinking neo-con or (a racist) would precisely choose this would then
call out a liberal for using the "race card" in defense. So which are
you? In closing, once again I applaud your attempt at deflection.
To "LiberalJimmy" wow, you really really have blown a gasket or two.
Mentioning a plantation does not make me a racist any more than mentioning
regurgitation makes me bulimic.I agree that the neo-cons do have
many racists among their groups. Now, before you start another rant, realize
that neo-cons are liberals who believe in using the military to spread their
political philosophies around the world.I am not a racist nor do I
care about race. Give me a hard worker and I will reward them, regardless of
race, religion, or age.I am still waitnig for you to explain how
Mike Lee is a hypocrite. So far we just have a parade of opinions with no
Export-Import Bank? You’re kidding, right?Try the depletion
allowance for the oil companies. Try the tariffs on Brazilian sugar so that a
well connected pair of brothers in Florida can hog the market. Try the absurdly
low capital gains rate. Try raising the cutoff of the social security tax
(right now it doesn’t apply to earned income over $117,000). Try
eliminating the free parking at Dulles for members of Congress. The
“fight” against Obamacare that resulted in a government shutdown was
pure theater. Obamacare was funded and nothing Cruz could do would stop it.
The forty plus votes in the House were a total waste of time and money. Bob Bennett may not have been my favorite politician, but he
wasn’t an opportunistic pawn of the Koch brothers.