Until students harassing students in the lunch room is taken as seriously as
teachers harassing teachers in the staff room…we will continue to fail our
Unfortunately there have been similar incidents in the public schools in Utah
where I have taught over the past 25 years. It can only be controlled if every
teacher, administrator, parent and student is educated and proactive to stop it
in its early stages. When students know from the first day of school that this
not acceptable it can be reduced. PTSAs are a great help because they can be a
concerned a set of eyes and ears in each school.
Wow. Hard to imagine that any school and judge would react this way to someone
reaching out for help. I am usually not one for litigation but this school
needs to know that they handled this VERY poorly.
"Wow. Hard to imagine that any school and judge would react this way to
someone reaching out for help. I am usually not one for litigation but this
school needs to know that they handled this VERY poorly."I too
saw similar instances as a high school student but without a recording of the
event. The victim fought back once, suffered a beating, and then was suspended
as an aggressor. However as the bully was ' sports star' little was
done to him.During a recent HS reunion we found it interesting that
most of the HS bullies entered into law enforcement careers.
Its schools and district attorneys like this that invite school attacks, and
then when they happen they go after the guns of good people who use them to
defend themselves and their families.
I sat on the front row of the audience at the band concert, watching as the boy
next to my son in the trumpet section tormented and used every foul word he
could think of on my boy; all the while smiling and looking at me in the eye. He
knew....KNEW.... that he would never be held accountable because my son, who was
in school with a behavioral IEP related to a birth injury, was never taken
seriously when he complained. The "good" kids were always given a pass,
even when caught in the act by an administrator. It always came down to a rule
that stated that if one kid is suspended, the other had to be also. And if your
kid could not afford that because of previous incidents, well perhaps you should
not complain. Riding the bus was like running a gauntlet,just walking down the
hall was miserable. It has not been very many years, and I am willing to
bet big money nothing has changed. Articles like this lend legitimacy to that
thought. I see no proof that anti-bullying campaigns have had any effect.
This case has drawn national attention. Comments from bloggers and reporters
include some harsh words for those involved;"After enduring a
year of torment at the hands of two classmates Stanfield decided to fight
back.""He (Stanfield) activated his IPad as tormentors
launched another verbal attack. . .references were made to pulling down his
pants, a book was slammed down making a very loud noise and crude sexual
references were added."The adults involved in this situation
have been disappointing. District Judge Maureen McGraw-Demsmet's ruling has
been called "rambling" and "incoherent." The teacher involved is
identified as a "do nothing" authority figure. And the administration at
the high school have been labeled as "bullies" for forcing Stanfield to
delete his recording.Thankfully the District Attorney injected some
common sense into this situation and withdrew all charges against Stanfield.
We should all record everything. These laws that make it illegal to record
public employees are an obvious attempt to keep dirty secrets secret.
dan76 said: "During a recent HS reunion we found it interesting that most of
the HS bullies entered into law enforcement careers."Dan76, I am not
surprised. I have a feeling based on many things I have seen over the years on
the news (about abuse by cops caught on camera, for instance, or police
misconduct that is covered up by peers -- and for each case that comes to light,
there is probably many more that don't), and in experiences of friends who
are good and honest people but who have had bad experiences with cops, that
some(not all!, but some) cops go into the profession because they like to throw
their weight around, be the boss, and bully people. Cops who do not like this
reputation must end it, by ending their silence when they know about police
misconduct.General comment: The principal at this school and the cop
that cited the kid must be fired, at the very least.
Most parents could write a book about the difficulties with school
administrators and teachers.
And people think I'm dumb for wanting to homeschool my children.Unfortunately legislation and systems don't stop bullying; just one
reason is that you can't rely on others to enforce it, as we've seen
here.Whether the bully is in the schoolyard, neighborhood, or from a
different country, there's has only ever been one way to stop a bully:
teach people to be righteous and wholistic.If people embrace good
things instead of sitting around arguing whether or not they're really
good, or whether or not "good" objectively exists, perhaps some
otherwise-bullies will turn to what is good instead. And for the ones that
don't then the ones that do are physically and legally capable of stopping
it as it happens. There's little incentive to stand up for yourself or
someone who can't stand up for their own self when you're the one
who'll face penalty, but if you don't, the problem will not disappear.
We have got to fight back!Start the "Bully the Bullies"
I've never understood why teachers and principals routinely side with the
bullies. Are they really that blind?
The boy and his family need a COMPETENT attorney - one familiar with the Public
Duty Doctrine.Schools demand you release your children into their
care, or suffer the wrath of law. However, there is that thing called the
Public Duty Doctrine, also known as The Fireman's Clause. Under the
doctrine, government entities develop a duty of care making them liable for
insuring the safety and well being of people under their care.For
example:1) A 911 operator taking a call does not create a duty, but
a statement she/he is dispatching help can create a liability for, for example,
the county where the 911 service is located.2) A cop, by placing
someone under arrest, MUST insure their safety, including insuring they get
needed medical care, if aware of the need.Under the doctrine, the
boy and his parents can sue the sue for negligence and other breeches of
its/their fiduciary responsibility.Since the school is an imaginary
thing unable to do good or ill, except through the people working for it, those
responsible for the boy's protection can be named in the suit, along with
the bullies and their families.
WOW! Coming from a teacher/school administration background I saw many times
when bullying was difficult to prevent. When a student came forward saying that
he/she has been bullied, without any other evidence than their word, it was
difficult to do more than have a conversation with the alleged bully and let
them know that they were being watched - it was then our responsibility to
watch! This is totally different - if a student came to me as a school admin
with a video, that would have given me evidence to nail the bully to the wall
(figuratively of course...). In fact, I would be obligated to do it. At most I
would have to ask the bullied kid for a COPY to keep in records. It amazes me
when I hear these kind of stories the gross violations of trust. I felt that I
needed to comment to let people know that this is NOT my experience with
schools. I have been in similar scenarios both as a parent and as a school
employee and have had positive results.
sounds like the NEA is in complete control of this school district with such an
@ Jamescmeyer. Children can get excellent educations in the home schooling
environment. But, what about their social development? If you don't allow
crude language in your home, where will your children learn these terms? If you
don't allow drugs and alcohol in your home, where in the world will your
children find access to these drugs? If you teach your children to be law
abiding citizens, where will they find gangs to hook up with? If you don't
allow pornography in your home, where will your children find access to it? If
you teach your children to behave in a sexually responsible way, where will your
children find promiscuous friends?
How could a school administator with a resposibility to report dangerous
behavior make a mistake like this? It doesnt sound like a mistake at all....just
a cover up. A certain amount of bullying reported is not truly bullying at all
but is reported by kids or parents who need to learn to deal with life without
assuming they are always right or otbers are out to get them. But in this case
where it is ridiculously obvious who the bully is...how could an administrator
not have taken steps to.protect this child? He was a classic case of a child who
is at high risk for being bullied because of his limited capacity. To expect him
to understand legalities Bout taping conversations but not expect an
administrator not to see bullying? Outrageous.
As a kid I have been bullied and fought back and got in trouble so I'm
tempted to snap back because of there blindness.
My email to Principal Scott Milburn: YOU are the criminal and a freaking
monster. YOU are why kids commit suicide and shoot up schools. My proudest
moment as a parent was ratting out my own kid (who was a bully) to the school
police when he came home and bragged about what he and his friends did to
another kid. (He never did find out who told) :-)You are
what’s wrong with school today and would lose your job if you were in my
Yet another incident that shows who we hand our kids over to each day. I really
hope that parents quit assuming the best and get involved in their kids'
schools.I am sure that most on this board are not even aware that
they cannot take their child off school premises without permission, but the
school can take your child for medical and phychological exams without your
knowledge or consent. My kids are not the State's property.
They were given to me by God, and I am accountable to Him, not some
administrator who barely passed college.Thankfully there is a great
option - Home Schooling is increasing in Utah and is often a better alternative.
How may 14 year olds in public school are doing Trigonometry? Mine left public
school after 4th grade unable to do 3rd grade math. Now he is working on Trig,
and he does not get bullied every day...
I was bullied from fifth through 8th grades. However, we didn't have high
tech means to extend the bullying after school hours. If we had, I think I
wouldn't have survived. I made up my mind I would never be bullied again,
and for the most part I have managed to stick to that conviction. When our
children were bullied in the local school, we switched them to a private school.
When my elderly parents were bullied by rental tenants I sought help from social
services. Home schooling is a wonderful alternative and I commend any parents
who have the dedication to keep their children out of the adverse environment
that most public schools, and others, provide for the unfortunate children who
don't quite have the means for combating bullying. Anytime we are aware of
bullying, we need to do something proactive.
And to think.Sending our children to school, to be bullied, and hit
with peer pressure,--is Mandatory.
This. Is. Total. Garbage!If you ever wondered why 99% of Americans
hate lawyers and judges, THIS is why.I typically don't believe
lawsuits, especially lawsuits with monetary damages, are justified,but in this
case, I'd sue for damages/emotional distress and I'd start on the low
end at enough money to set this kid up for life. Learning disability?....to me
that means I'd sue for $2 million, at least.I'd demand
that the judge resign for being an idiot.I'd demand the school
board FIRE the principal.I'd demand the person that told the
kid to erase the file be fired.I'd demand the kid(s) involved
in the bullying be suspended for a month, to be made up in summer school. And
I'd make danged sure they understood if they bullied anyone again, I'd
fail them and make them repeat that entire year of school, and, no, I don't
care what their academic grades are because they clearly "failed" in the
more important lessons of life.America: at least 50% of us lack