People choose to be offended.And these student "leaders"
certainly don't speak for me. I'm a proud Ute who will NEVER sing a
changed version.This is PC just going overboard.Anyone
who is offended by the fight song - go find a new school to cheer for, we
don't want you.
Political correctness run amok.
The people of North Korea have been living under inhumane conditions for
generations. Russia seems intent on recreating the Soviet Union and Cold War.
Around 25,00 children die each day due to poverty. And yet the young people at
the U are up in arm about the word "fairest"? Please, children (and you
are children), focus your energies on something important. How utterly
disappointing you are to alum like myself.
This is one of the few times I agree with Chris B -We have become a
society of panty waists. A bunch of shrinking daffodils. Yes - we choose to be
offended. And we have allowed a small minority to rule over the masses. It offends me that this kind of nonsense is happening. What, are we
supposed to sing, "A Utah Person I Am"??? Good grief.
Here's an idea for a new song for the student body government resolution.
It's an old one and we all know the words. M I C K E Y M O U S E
Good luck to this generation now in school, just as our generation did, you will
create a world where others who have gone before would not like to be!
Political correctness is killing this country. I'm a girl and have never
been offended in any way by the words of the Utah fight song. In fact, I love
it and am proud to sing it when I attend games.This is totally
ImaUteFan-- I find your message ironic when your screen name uses "fan"
instead of "man". Isn't that what most are proposing the lyrics be
It's a silly, stupid song. I've probably been to more Utah sporting
events than all the posters on this blog put together and it matters nada to me.
We had our own version of the song anyways that we use to tease the Zoo fans
with. Let the kids sing whatever they want.
I'm really trying to find a reason to care about this. Wait... there might
be a part of me that cares... nope. Nothing.
Guess BYU had better change their mascot since the word "Cougar" has a
bad connotation. Oh wait, that was the Corner Canyon High School that already
Pathetic leadership. The song should have stayed.
Absolutely ridiculous. Pretty soon my Utes will be the Red Birds or something
worse. We live in a society now where everyone needs a trophy without earning
Am glad to see these changes made in the interest of inclusiveness and formally
rejecting the notion that males are superior despite a hundred years tradition.
Never an easy thing to accomplish. Or quick. Am not surprised by all
the childish reactions, pouting, foot stamping whose ultimate purpose is to
bully people who are campaigning for all of us to be kinder and more
respectful.If it will make you Ute blokes feel more masculine, you could always
go have a meal at Chick-fil-A. I'm sure many of those students
at the U concerned over issues of gender equality are also active in some other
areas that letter writers are concerned about. Activists in one area tend to be
active in other, similar areas of social and political concern.
I concur with most of the comments already posted. Other than Kralon, I have no
idea what that comment means. The UofU has received a lot of money
from alums like me. The operant term is 'has'. I won't give
them another dime. The kids in student government can't see the forest
through the trees. They choose to focus on the word fairest? Really? What a
waste of time and energy.They should be focusing on real issues.
How about killing true racism at the state-funded University? Get rid of quotas
and preferential treatment of applicants who are black or brown. Admit the
smartest, best prepared students, regardless of their skin color, gender,
religion, etc. Affirmative action died in Michigan because voters saw this plan
as it is...a failed attempt at elevating the status of minorities by
discriminating against members of the majority. Wake up UofU
student government! You are an embarrassment to those of us who graduated from
The Utes have changed their policially incorrect name (Redskins) and their
mascot (Crimson Warrior). Changing their politically incorrect fight song will
just about complete the transformation. About that helmut decoration....
While we're at it, let's change every instance of "mankind" in
the writings of famous authors and politicians to "humankind" and...
No, better; let's change the word "human" to "huperson".
Let's also do something about that chauvanist woman-hating term "homo
sapien". "Thinking -man-", really?
Ya gotta love these Millenials - so focused on the things that don't matter
while totally ignoring the real problems in the world...
It is interesting how our song suddenly becomes controversial after 100 years as
student leaders try to out PC each other. Sorry, but I cannot see how being
called the "fairest" is offensive. If this is what they are teaching at
the U, maybe it is time to stop donating to the U and find a school where
students have something important to do.
Clearly the students at the U of U don't have enough school work to do, and
are spending too much time on trivial activities.
This is just another result of the government indoctrination that happens in our
public schools, over the airwaves, etc. People choose to be offended. It seems
nowadays if 1 is offended, for whatever reason, then everyone has to change.I'm a proud BYU fan, and could not care less what happens at the U,
but seriously? People are up in arms over a SONG? Welcome to NEWSPEAK.
Chris B You are correct, these student leaders don't speak for you
and many others. But they do speak for the University that you keep cheering
for. I can't understand how conservative people like your self can cheer
for a liberal school like Utah and at the same time bad mouth a good
conservative school just down the road. Oh well keep drinking the kool aid and
cheering for a liberal, politically correct school.To the students that
want to change this, I have a question. How in the world is " a Utah man am
I " divisive? What a joke! I can't stand your fight song but not
because it is divisive or exclusive or offensive. Go solve a real problem in
They railroaded it through even thou the fans didn't want it. It's the
Liberal way. The ASUU would make Pelosi, Reid and Obama proud.
What really surprises me is how long the U. has been able to sneak under the
radar of the Political Correctness Stazi.I hope nobody took offense at
having the females described as the fairest as much as having them labeled
Co-eds. When the term first came about it meant the women attending the school.
Men were students and women were co-eds. Men had to learn to have a decent
career; women were just attending classes for something to do. The Men needed to
succeed the women did not.Come on….It’s just a song and now
the lyrics will be changed to something like:“We are non-gender
specific people of a generic western box shaped state” and “our
non-gender specific students are generically attributed to be in the top
quartile of fairness”However, I have no Idea how those lyrics would
fit with the music. Get some Ideas from Studio-C.
Corner Canyon High School.Administrators and leaders in that
district should feel bad.
This whole thing is silly. You know in Michigan, they made/are making all the
public schools and universities change their mascots if they are/were in any way
American Indian related, even though many of the Indian Nations said they
weren't offensive. It's only a matter of time, though it sounds
ridiculous now, that you won't be able to have animals for mascots because
the animals may be offended - mark my words.
Unbelievable. Here's hoping it remains the same.
I would like to thank the University student government for helping to make my
decision on donations this year. I will no longer be renewing my U license
plate, and rather than donate to the University scholarship funds, will donate
to someone that does not bow to the PC police.
My wife, an ASU coed, suggests President Pershing require a vote of the entire
Utah student body before deciding on such a departure from more than 100 years
of student tradition. I doubt there are enough people offended by these words to
even form a simple majority of the student population. Was any opinion polling
done? What did these student "representatives" base their votes on? My
wife also pointed out that the lyrics "fairest coeds" shows that Utah
had female students more than 100 years ago, unlike many universities of that
time. A long history of leadership and progressiveness, nothing for the current
student population to be ashamed of or offended by!
In the politically correct world of the left coast conference, this PC wave was
bound to happen, soon or later. The only thing that's really
surprising is that Utah is acting unilaterally in dealing with their non-PC
nickname and fight song, instead of waiting for the conference PC police to come
I'm offended that they voted to change it. Does that mean by their own
requirements they have to bow down to me?
I guess we will have to change a lot of scientific books that say "when Man
first walked the earth". Have we really become that PC? We are destroying
our culture from the inside out.
Maybe U could just use the original words to "Solomon Levi", Utah's
Fight Song:Oh, my name is Solomon LeviI am a velly good manI'll sell you a suit of klo-zes,So sheep as ever I can.My wife's name is Rachel,She's nothing but a sham,And
every time she gets a chanceShe slugs me if she can.So help me
jimminey mosesTo sell you a suit of klo-zes;I live way up on Market
StreetNumber One hundred Twenty-nine.And it's kal-uh-ma,
kal-uh-ma cinda,I will meet you at the kavinda,Kal-uh-ma cinda cinda
cinda,A-hosta, ka-zista, ka-zay!--------Of course,
U would have to change the name of the MUSS to KAVINDA.A-hosta,
ka-zista, ka-zay!Go PC correct whatever-we-ares!
Folks, it's not about the word "fairest"... Puhleeeeeeeeze.
It's about the word CO-ED. Sheeeesh!
I'm a Y fan but I learned the song Utah Man in 8th grade in Boys Glee.
Still doesn't mean that I like the U even though I'm an alum.It escapes me how the words "Utah Man" and "Coeds are the fairest
and each one's a shining star" are the least bit offensive. If the
students would expand their minds (like they are supposed to do at a university)
to realize that fairest doesn't describe skin color, but describes the
demeanor and personality, and intellect of the ladies who attend the U. Even
though as an alum, I'm not a fan, I technically am a Utah Man.Again another prime example of political correctness run amok. The same type
of political correctness that allows the Ute Tribe to blackmail the U for the
use of the name Ute. I don't mind giving scholarships and assistance to
tribal members that deserve it to further their edumacation because that is the
right thing to do. I just don't appreciate the shakedown.
Maybe the PAC 12 demanded the change.I agree with the post about
Corner Canyon High's name. The Corner Canyon Cougars would have been a
great name. When I think of Cougar, I don't think of an older woman
chasing a younger man. I think of the animal. You know like BYU COUGAR, KEARNS
A Utah Fan Am I!da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-DADAH-DA!Ironically, the only part of the song that most fans sing,
is the part they want to change.
souptwins - My screen name has been "ImaUteFan" for years now, long
before there was any controversy over the lyrics of the school song.But I'm willing to change it from "Fan" to "Man" if it
will make you feel better.
I am a Utah graduate also. I have only met one person in forty years who could
actually sing the fight song anyway so I don't see this will make much of a
difference. Sure lots of people join in on the "Utah man sir, Utah man am
I" part (only lyrically unique part of the song) but the rest of it is
always just mumbled or talked over. Tempest in a tea cup really.
looks like one of the local schools is losing their identity... 1st the
football team went south, then the basketball team became the schools flagship
sport...then the fight song is being changed, and I am sure the mascot
will follow shortly...no big deal though... they don't really
care about tradition anyway...LOL
1st World problems.
The song changes still have to be approved by the University President and Board
of Trustees, the Alumni and the entire student body...so hopefully those groups
combined will have enough sense to not change it without a real discussion.
Sorry, but student government is kind of a joke, especially at the collegiate
level. Rather than actually representing the student body, it serves more to
look good on a resume. So, congratulations Sam Ortiz! Now you can
tell future employers how effective you were in getting this resolution passed,
and how you fought for equality and civility during your administration (whether
or not the song actually gets changed or not...)
Chris B where have you been? I have missed you so. Good to see you on here
again. Batman is nothing without the Joker. Tom is nothing without Jerry.
Spiderman is nothing without the green goblin. The Red Sox are nothing without
the Yankees...and I am nothing without you. (Although for once I agree with your
How does one small student government get to change a song that impacts tens of
thousands of alumni and Ute fans? I'm really not that upset
about the change, my daughter has attended games with me for years and often
asked why the song was "Utah man" as it was mildly annoying to her as a
diehard Ute fan. What bothers me most is student government alone
should not be allowed to make this change. A board of alumni, faculty, the
board of regents, and others should have a vote in this process. Teenage kids
and young adults who are only a small part of the U of U community should not be
making decisions in a vacuum.
I have heard from objective observers that the BYU coeds were the fairest of
The coed line has been changed before... It used to be maidens not coeds. That line can be easily changed to "... our scholars are the
brightest and each one's a shining star..."Leave
"man" alone... It's gender generic as in mankind.
I'm actually more troubled by the fact we drive on "parkways" and
park on "driveways". Things like this need to be changed (note:sarcasm)
iron&clay"I have heard from objective observers that the BYU
coeds were the fairest of them all."And brightest!Business Insider: April 2, 2014"25 Colleges Where Students Are
Both Hot And Smart"#1 - BYU#15 - BYU-IdahoMaybe BYU and Utah could trade... nah, silly idea!----------Must be really slow on the hill nowadays if the only thing worth
discussing is political correctness.
How about asking the hundreds of thousands of alumni - and donors - how they
would vote on this matter. Shouldn't they all have an "equal" vote?
@Blue Collar"How in the world is " a Utah man am I "
divisive?"Half the school can't even sing it without being
factually wrong at that phrase.
This decision by the student government really just highlights how superfluous
they are. They put forth nothing of substance for the well-being of
the student body and effect no pressue on the University of Utah to address real
issues such as tuition increases, majors that do not lead to employment, and
debt education.They just want to pad a resume with fluff.
I regret that this silly, PC issue has divided our University community. Some
traditions are worth perpetuating. I'm weary of re-writing history and
tradition to suit the endlessly offended. However this question is resolved,
many alumni donors will feel either a rush of pride or a twinge of resentment
every time they stand to sing at the games they attend. Appreciation opens more
wallets than resentment.
USAloverI'm more troubled by oxymoronic terms like "giant
shrimp".btw, this is nothing new; the Utes have been talking
about changing their fight song since the 80's and they already changed
To all those who say they are no longer donating to the U because of this.
Don't worry, the PAC 12 and it's schools totally agree with this
change. Schools the pac 12 represent have all made changes like this as well.
Your schools is in good hands.
Some things are stupid, some things are idiotic.This is both
Mr. Ortiz should note how divisive changing the song is to the alumni. No one is
in favor of it.I'm not sure why, but the U student body is
intent on offending the alumni. I recall Jon Huntsman being ridiculed in the
Daily Chronicle for being selected to speak at graduation. As I recall it was
because he is LDS. Mr. Huntsman actually had to defend his good name and note
for the school that he had never been treated so poorly as he had at the U.
Pathetic. The If we really want to improve the U we should
significantly shrink the humanities and soft science departments and spend funds
on research. More productive and less controversy.
Just the latest attempt to divert attention away from another bowl less football
season and K Whit's final season as head coach.
You changed the mascot to a bird. Why not just do bird calls for your fight
Solomon Levi must be spinning in his grave, tra-la-la-la-la!
Changing the fight school is the right thing to do to make it relevant in
today's world. Sorry, "men," it ain't the early 1900s any
more. Women can own land, vote, and go to college now.It's only
a few words in the song so it's not the end of the world. ASUU showed
leadership and had the courage to do the right thing.
JoCo UteGrants Pass, OR"Here's an idea for a new song
for the student body government resolution. It's an old one and we all know
the words. M I C K E Y M O U S E"Maybe you're on to
something. The Oregon Ducks have already established a PAC 12
precedent of using a Disney character as a mascot; maybe Utah could be next.
Since Utah has had a masculine bent for over a hundred years, using a Disney
princess for the next hundred years would even the score - Pocahontas seems like
a natural fit.
Once again there has been "much ado about nothing." Doesn't the
Student Government have anything more important to do? Perhaps they should go
the same way as the words to "Utah man."Maybe this will give BYU
paws (sp. intended) to think about singing "Rise and Shout, the MEN and
WOMEN" are out. Are we really Cougars? Political correctness mostly is
another name for plain silliness! Where oh where has common sense gone??? Oh, I
know, it is dead and gone.
@ TimBehrendOxford Dictionary defines "Man" as: 1. "A human being of either sex; a person"2. "Human
beings in general; the human race"Dictionary dot com has a
similar definition to "Man": 1. "a member of the species
Homo sapiens or all the members of this species collectively, without regard to
sex" 2. "the human individual as representing the species,
without reference to sex; the human race; humankind"The word
"Man" sounds pretty inclusive to me. The student governments seems to be
the ones stomping their feet, having a temper tantrum, and claiming
discrimination over something as silly as a school fight song. There are more
important issues in this world then a song. If these women in the
student government are really that offended by the word "Man". Then they
need to change the name of their own gender first. After all it has the word
"Man" in it....."woMAN", "woMEN", "feMALE",
ect.Leave the fight song alone!
Utah person...Utah person am I...I've been walking around the
house singing the above...I'm beginning to like it...No really...You can dance to it...I'd give it a
I don't see how changing a few words in the fight song is going to destroy
a hundred years of tradition?The lyrics have obviously bothered some
Utah fans for years, since there were attempted in the 80's and early
2000's to change the lyrics.See May 25, 2006 Daily Utah
Chronicle article: "Utah Man’ fight song is off-pitch for some
fans" A quote from the article: "Students, faculty, alumni
and media have labeled the fight song Utah Man" as sexist, old fashioned,
difficult, offensive and dated."If the song is offensive to
some, change it. What's so wrong with "A Utah Fan Am
Although I disagree with this initiative, I would like to know what some of the
posters on here are doing to fix the more pressing problems in the world since
they seem so concerned that the U's student government (seriously it's
a student government!) aren't doing more to bring about world peace, end
global hunger or whatever else.
UoU 1991"What's so wrong with "A Utah Fan Am
I"?"It's not "manly" enough.
This quote, from writer Rick Reilly and published in a recent [ca. 2000] edition
of Sports Illustrated, may stir some red University of Utah blood:"I just love fight songs," Reilly elaborates. "I, however, hate
Utah's: 'I'm a Utah man sir, and I live across the green. Our
gang it is the jolliest that you have ever seen.' That stirs the ol'
blood, eh? Can't you see the Utes' coach at halftime? 'Dadgummit,
gang, we're losin' 51-7! Now get out there and get jolly!'
"Utah's fight song has been a laughing stock for years -
Utah fan's have just been too blind to see it.
howard s."Leave "man" alone... It's gender generic
as in mankind."You're spinning.U and I and
everybody else knows that "mankind" is NOT the first, second, or even
tenth thing that comes to mind when "A Utah Man" is sung.
Sports Authority-- Best post yet!! I remember reading that article but nice job
on finding the reference (didn't care enough to do it myself). I always
thought the song was lame and condescending and cheesy but it's not my team
so never cared a whole lot either way. It just always seemed odd that a school
who claimed to be so on top of all things modern wouldn't have seen a
problem years ago. The irony is alarming. IamaUtahFan--- If it
wouldn't bother you to change your screen name to "man", why did
you choose "fan" in the first place? And if that doesn't bother
you, why should it bother anyone for the song to now be changed to fan? Just
another interesting irony.
Congratulations to the ASUU. You've now ensured that the words that will be
sung the loudest by the MUSS will "a Utah MAN am I!" instead of "no
other gang of college men dare meet us in THE MUSS!"
All this Ute angst is ... funny.
souptwins - Spoken like a true Cougar fan. Your statement "but
it's not my team so never cared a whole lot either way" yet you
continue to post on articles about the Utes. Now THAT is ironic.
How in any way, shape, or form can anyone say these two statements are offensive
or divisive. What is offensive is that someone spent any time worrying about
this. I certainly think Utah co-eds are the fairest and I am proud to be a Utah
@mussingaround"Since Utah has had a masculine bent for over a hundred
years, using a Disney princess for the next hundred years would even the score -
Pocahontas seems like a natural fit."We'll reach a bowl,
just around the riverbend. @TheSportsAuthority"Utah's
fight song has been a laughing stock for years - Utah fan's have just been
too blind to see it."It's always reminded me of the Jolly
This is a first. I truly believe it's the first time there has ever been a
U of U article comment by Chris B that he hasn't found a way to blame or
condemn BYU for something. Amazing and yet refreshing. There is yet hope.If the Ute students are so bright, as the suggested song change says,
then why has it taken them over a hundred years to propose this change that
seems to bother or offend them so much?I hope people on the hill
realize how laughable this entire silly scenario is to the rest of the academic
world. It's as if there aren't enough other more noteworthy causes
needing attention in the world. This one will soon become a target of the late
night TV comics if it hasn't already. As a previous comment noted, things
now being done in the name of political correctness are sometimes reaching the
level of absurd. This is a prime example. It's little wonder
recent college graduates are having such a hard time finding jobs. This makes it
obvious that they lack sufficient real-world common sense.
If anything s/b changed, altered, abolished, then its that ridiculous alphabetic
hand gesture... save it for the thugs in Coral Gables.
It's offensive only to those looking to be offended.
If I live to be 100, there will continue to be politically correct language
changes, which will be upsetting to me, and this is one of them. As a U grad,
tradition is not the same, with the Ute Tribe blackmailing the university in
order to use their tribal name, and now with some supposedly "feelings
hurt" young women on campus wanting to change a song that has been sung for
100 years...?What is next, they will arrest you for not singing the
new song...or only women will sing it at games?Shouldn't they
have a vote of the entire student body and the Alumni in order to make this
change? Why should some council or one person have all of the votes? Again, another example of the minorities ruling...and they take every
opportunity to show that they are. And the "brightest" young women?
Harvard coeds might object to that one. I can just hear it now, "They are
not the prettiest, but they are the brightest...not"Today the
Utah Fight Song, next year, the Bible...and the beat goes on. When are we going
to hit the brakes on stuff like this?
@ I Still Can't Say It:History obviously isn't one of your
strengths. This may be news to you, but women actually did own land, vote and
went to college when the fight song was first made. The main difference between
people back then and people now is that back then, they didn't run around
worrying about political correctness so much. Actual school spirit and common
sense were more important. Not every change is for betterment.
We're progressing on a technological level, but certainly not on a common
sense level. We keep trying to change the Constitution of the United States when
it's actually our current way of thinking that should be changed to match
the common sense level of our forefathers. We keep creating many of our own
problems with this political correctness garbage. @
mussingaround:Concerning your idea of using Pocahontas as the school
mascot... Since the current school president is so willing to pay others for the
use of the Ute name, and since I am a direct descendant of of Pocahontas, I will
expect to find an offer in the mail or a school delegation visit to present an
I don't see why people are getting so offended over the the fight song.
This is just a pointless as the Utah hot/cold tub dunking "fiasco" where
people got offended over nothing.
@ ImaUteFan:Spoken just like an ultra-Ute fan or man or whatever is
now relevant. Why is it that you and a few others like you always assume that
anyone who doesn't claim Utah as their school is automatically assumed to
be a BYU fan. I didn't read where souptwins made any reference about BYU.
You may not realize this in your obviously closed-in world, but there really are
a lot of other colleges out there besides Utah and BYU. The world doesn't
revolve around just 2 schools. Souptwins could easily be a UVU, USU or even a
Weber State alumni. And to think that your definition of irony
excludes the fact that you yourself have many times in the past posted on BYU
articles. People who live in glass houses... Well, you know how that saying
goes. So it wouldn't be ironic if some stones got thrown back toward you.
TatorsSo, does Disney pay you royalties every time they come out
with another movie or action figure involving Pocahontas?------------------It seems that Utah has addressed these fight
song issues on many occassions, but continue to kick the problem down the road,
only to resurface again. Maybe it's time to fix the problem once and for
Max"It's offensive only to those looking to be
offended."The exact same thing could be said of any racial,
ethnic, religious, gender, or other "protected" group slur.Just because you're not offended doesn't make it any less offensive
to those who are.
Hey Ute fans, how about this?O Rise and Shout, the Utes are outAlong the trail to fame and glory.Rise and shout, our cheers will ring
out,As you unfold your vict'ry story.Sound good to you?
It just seems wrong that 46 student body leaders can take vote and then ask the
U President to change a century old tradition is the U's Fight Song. They
say the represent the tens of thousands of students currently enrolled, but is
unlikely that the whole of the student body agrees with this recommendation.
The reported threats they have received, enough to the point that campus police
went to the meeting, should be a clear indication that it is not liked by all.
But this suggested change also has to include the hundreds of thousands of
alumni, they have every right to support and defend the Fight Song they remember
as a part of their education.I consider this issue to be trivial,
but something that should be addressed. A recommendation from 46 students does
not carry any weight when one considers the negative reception of the idea from
many in the student body and the alumni have been totally left out of the issue.
If the U's President did the right thing, he would find a diplomatic way
to kill the issue.
As long as we're changing things to make sure no one is offended, some
people find the term "Cougar" offensive, so maybe BYU should get rid of
the Cougar mascot, which in turn means they'll have to change their fight
song too since they can't sing, "Rise and shout the Cougars are
out," anymore.Perhaps the U of U should change their mascot from
the Runnin' Utes to something like the Red fronted Macaw. It's an
endangered specie, so who could possibly find that offensive? They then can pen
a new new fight song based on the Macaw.Meanwhile, the Y can replace
the Cougar with the Blue Bird of Paradise also an endangered specie.
Doesn't that sound like a nice, pleasant, harmonious, non-offensive, mascot
FitzWhat's the point of having an elected student council if
they're not allowed to actually do anything without receiving approval from
the entire studentbody and all alumni? Isn't that what
representative government is all about - 100 Senators and 435 House of
Representatives making decisions for an entire nation of 317 million people?
Political correctness should be abolished. Sing the fight song because
you're a student, and if words in the song offend you, then transfer to
another school. Or, stay in school, and don't sing the fight song.
It's as simple as that, really.
ClarkHippoNow you're just being silly.The BYU
Cougar is, and always has been, simply the cat. It's clear from the song,
the mascot, the branding, and everything associated with the BYU Cougar that it
has absolutely nothing to do with some recently coined derogatory term.Anybody trying to make that connection is simply being silly.
@ Just the "FACTS""What's the point of having an
elected student council if they're not allowed to actually do anything
without receiving approval from the entire studentbody and all alumni?"Do you agree with Obamacare? That legislation occurred behind closed
doors and the American people had no voice on the matter. Guess what? The
American people now have to live with the consequences of paying higher premiums
and losing their current health plans. Our elected government officials lied to
us about Obamacare and people are finding out that those promises aren't
true. Just because people are elected doesn't mean they can do
whatever they want. They need to be held accountable to the American people like
this student government should be held accountable to the student body. The ASUU
shouldn't do whatever they want with out the majority of the student body
on their side.
Sometimes protecting the house means having the serenity to accept the things we
cannot change, the courage to change the things we can, and the wisdom to know
Nothing more important to discuss?? I am a woman (Utah Man ) and proud to have
been "one of the prettiest girls in the land" so how trivial can we
get?? I'm proud of both points in the fight song.
But, but, but.......we are in a power conference. We should have power to do
what ever we want and ignore the fan base. I guess being in a so-called power
conference does not mean much.Can we go back to the WAC so we can compete?
Bleed CrimsonUnfortunately, the "majority" of Americans who
voted for the representatives, who are responsible for Obama-care, were
hoodwinked into voting for those same representatives a second time, thus
preventing Obama-care from being repealed.As far as Utah's
fight song goes, the issues have been discussed in the Chronicle, the Trib, the
DN, KSL News, Fox News, on Twitter and on Facebook. This isn't a surprise
to anybody who's been paying attention and it certainly isn't
something that was decided on the spur of the moment.Just because
the majority of students and alumni object to the changes doesn't mean the
fight song shouldn't be changed. Ever heard of the tyranny of the majority?
Do a little research and you'll discover that the majority isn't
I heard on the radio this afternoon that the student body officers who voted to
change Utah's fight song have been receiving threats of physical violence -
that's just sad that supporters of the flagship public university of Utah
would even consider hurting someone over changing three words of a song.
UoU 1991,The public university that is the flagship of the state is now
UVU. Sorry to break the news to you. Power conference affiliation means
nothing when you don't compete, all season long, in all major sports.If BYU was a public university then they would be the flagship of the
arand: I guess we will have to change a lot of scientific books that say
"when Man first walked the earth". Have we really become that PC? We are
destroying our culture from the inside out.I take it you
haven't read a 'scientific' book in a while. The change in usage
happened a long time ago - an entire generation, i would say. You've fallen
behind. "When humans first walked the earth" is the gender neutral way
of saying the same thing, and it's what you'll read in the vast
majority of non-tendentious writing today. If you're looking for a
campaign, I think what you want to be fighting now is the replacement of the
Christian-sounding AD/BC with CE/BCE, though this, too, is already pretty much a
fait accompli in the centres of cultural power.
As a holder of two degrees from the U, I have a right to weigh in on this
issue. It seems to me that the use of the word "fan" could be offensive
to the minority who aren't that interested in sports. And to insist that
our students are "the brightest" is sure to offend the minority who are
mediocre students. In fact, since the name of the university as well as the
state (not to mention the subject fight song, comes from the name of a native
American tribe, don't we have to get permission from tribe members to use
the name? And how about the other state and city names that come from Native
American words, such as Minnesota, and thousands of others? Shouldn't we at
least be negotiating with the tribe members to pay royalties for the use of
those names? And while I'm at it, shouldn't I be offended at people
who are not native English speakers, who have difficulty pronouncing my family
surname, which comes from England? Sorry, but I only have a few words left;
otherwise I could go on all night.
Ute Buster,Sorry to break it to ya, but you're wrong. UVU has
a long way to go. Being the flagship university of the state of Utah, has a lot
less to do with winning sports competitions in a power conference, and a lot
more to do with the complete package of the university, than you may realize or
care to admit.Besides, there's only one institution in this
great state that actually reads, "University OF Utah." Think about it.
Go UIf you're going to claim to be the flagship public
university of the state, then U should start acting like it by entering the 21st
century and updating your archaic, silly, politically incorrect, fight song.
Some of the more enlightened students on the hill have seen the light; now the
rest of U need to follow their lead.
This particular change is a mistake. It's not a big deal, but
since we're splitting hairs:A fan of something has connotations
of being an observer and supporter, whereas singing that I am a Utah Man
correlates with deeper feelings of actually being a part of our great state and
it's flagship university.In an attempt to be more
"inclusive" the change, in a way, does the opposite.
Just change the lyrics to "A Utah Ma'am am I" then everybody's
happy and no one is offended.Good grief, what a waste of
I have a daughter attending the U, one that attended the Y, and several that
attended USU. I'm proud of all of them and they all love their schools and
their fight songs. The songs are strong because they are a bonding force
between the current students and all of the alumni. Anyone offended by the
lyrics of this song needs to get a life! One thing I would
respectfully disagreewith Flashback, however, and his comment regarding the Ute
Tribe. I am not Native American but know many who are. I respect them and the
proud heritage they have. The U of U has honored them through their use of the
title "Utes" and the Ute Tribe is Proud to have the University of Utah
bear their name. Please don't mistake negotiations between two entities
(the school and the Tribe) as being negative from either party. It just means
they had negotiations just like any business dealing. Talking things out and
written contracts are always helpful to prevent misunderstandings.
@Clark W. Griswald on page 4. . . . . .You got it right!!!! Love the comment and
the extra ten seconds it took to investigate the word man in the dictionary! I
agree all the way.
You're going to have to change the word "gang" as well because of
the current meaning and activities of what gangs are in 2014. It was just in the
news this week that Utah has a big gang problem. You don't want to be
associated with that now do you? I am just trying to keep you one step ahead! Go
While I really don't care if they change the lyrics or not I would be lying
if I didn't say that this amuses me to no end. lol
This is absolutely the stupidest issue for the PC people to fight for at a time
when there is a whole lot more serious problems going on in the country and
world.And if this was an issue that was bad enough to promote a
change the look out. The "Ute" as a mascot will be soon be under attack.
That's what you get when liberals run the show. They are never happy with
one victory. They are never happy. They will simply find something else that
offends them to pick at.So, if the U of U student government took
this seriously and still voted to change some of the words to the fight song,
then they have, by default, made the proposed change "our students are the
brightest," a total lie.
As a Utah Alum I see the fight song is a tradition and should be viewed in the
context of being 100 years old and therefore not of a contemporary nature or
"sensitive" to all the PC nuances. Gee folks, that is what makes them a
tradition. If you really are losing sleep about a couple of phrases as horrific
as "our co-eds are the fairest" imagine being referred to as fair? I
shudder at the reference and "Utah Man" could have it's origin
about 100 years ago when the student body make up was such. Come on guys, if you
are this sensitive life is really going to shake you up after you graduate.
Person-Up and tough it out when you hear the song, most of you don't know
all the words anyway, I know I didn't. Oh by the way, if you change the
words or not North Korea and Putin will most likely not begin to behave
themselves, Those solutions are not in the song book. It's a
fight song not the keys to the kingdom. Laugh a little and enjoy traditions.
I have been a UTE since 1977 and I will continue to sing the song the right way
and not the PC way. If you are offended by the Ute fight song, you need to get
out more. I am sure that there are greater and more beneficial causes to consume
your time and energy than worrying about a fight song.
What is so bad about those words?
Tators:I usually like your comments but maybe you don't know history
as well as you think. The Utah fight song was written in 1904. Women would not
receive the right to vote for another 16 years afterwards with the ratification
of the 19th amendment in 1920.Doesn't matter in the end, this
whole thing is ridiculous. I wish I could tell ute fans it gets better, but when
you join hands with the most liberal conference in America and have to
assimilate what did you expect? It will get worse before it gets better as the
PC liberal agenda chips more and more away from your traditions, whether you
have a contract with a tribe or not. Hope that 20 mill a year is worth it.
The Ute fight song is sexist and should be changed. People hate change. The
status quo is almost always preferred by the majority. But 100 years from now,
no one will remember those who stood in the way of change. Is it a minor issue?
Yes. Is it worth fixing this dinosaur of a song. Sure.
How absurd. No Ute, and now no song. You've offended me.