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  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    April 15, 2014 9:09 p.m.

    “Utah has always been my number one choice,”

    Hearing a lot of that these days.

    The future of Pac 12 ute football is bright!

    Go utes!!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 15, 2014 9:47 p.m.

    Sounds like a good kid with solid ability. Glad to have him aboard, and hopefully it turns out like the transition from Louie Sakoda to Joe Phillips. Special teams can often be the glue a team needs for a complete game. 2011 saw two games (at Pitt and at Wazzu) won from good special teams play, and three games (at USC, UW, CU) lost partially due to poor special teams play. Good luck this year and on your mission, Chayden!

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2014 10:04 p.m.

    68 yards? That's from the opponent's 32 yard line! Lol!!

    Welcome to Utah and the Pac-12, young man. We're glad to have you!

    Go Utes!!

  • johnnyb South Jordan, UT
    April 15, 2014 10:44 p.m.

    @ MyPerspective

    Only if he kicked from the line of scrimmage and the goal posts were at the front of the endzone.

  • Vegasbob North Las Vegas, NV
    April 15, 2014 11:57 p.m.

    A 68 yard field goal would be from the teams 42 yard line with the 10 yard endzone.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2014 7:32 a.m.

    Chayden looks like a nice get for the Utes.

    btw, a 68-yard FG is from your own 49-yard line (distance minus 17 yards).

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    April 16, 2014 7:52 a.m.

    Guess the though on never kicking in a bowl game didn't deter him at all. Good for him.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 16, 2014 8:16 a.m.

    Max:

    Perhaps he thought playing against all the Idahos and Savannah States just to get to a bowl game was not much of a challenge.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    April 16, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    JohnInSLC

    So what you're really saying is that all of Utah's pre-PAC bowl games were meaningless since the Utes didn't even play a top 60 schedule to qualify for a bowl, even during Utah's glory seasons of 2004 and 2008.

    btw, you seem to be ignoring the Idaho States, Weber States, Montana States, Northern Colorados and Colorados on Utah's schedule.

    btw, BYU played a tougher schedule in 2013 than ANY schedule Utah had played prior to 2013, including 2004 and 2008.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2014 9:34 a.m.

    johnnyb
    South Jordan, UT

    "Only if he kicked from the line of scrimmage and the goal posts were at the front of the endzone."

    Yeah, I realized that right after I hit Submit. Still, the offense doesn't even have to cross the 50 to score. Here's hoping that Chayden's skills never have to be tested short of the 50 yard line. Lol!

    The SL Trib posted some videos of Chayden kicking the ball. They are posted in the Ute Blog section...check it out. Flat out amazing!

    Max-was-right
    springville, UT

    "Guess the though on never kicking in a bowl game didn't deter him at all. Good for him."

    With the steady diet of Savannah State-esq teams that Holmoe has lined up for byu-provo, Chayden's field goal services would never be needed.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 16, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    Marked it Down,

    You must have forgotten that Utah beat more ranked teams than any other team in the country in 2008.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 16, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    Marked:

    So what you're really saying is, in 2013 Utah still played a tougher schedule than anything BYU has EVER played, including 1984.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    April 16, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    Utah played a tougher schedule than BYU last year, beat BYU and finished ranked higher than BYU.

    Mark that down with a Sharpie.

    LOL!

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 16, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    @max-was-right "Guess the though(t) on never kicking in a bowl game didn't deter him at all"

    Or he decided that becoming bowl eligible by scheduling Middle Tennessee State, UNLV, Cal, UConn, Savanah St, Nevada and Virginia who went a combined 26-60 was embarrassing.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    April 16, 2014 10:22 a.m.

    @Marked

    "BYU played a tougher schedule in 2013 that ANY Utah has played, including 2008."

    In 2008, Utah beat 4 teams that finished ranked, including 2 that finished ranked in the top 10.

    In 2013, BYU only played 1 team who finished ranked, (22)Wisconsin, and lost.

    Cool story bro.

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 16, 2014 10:23 a.m.

    Marked it down,

    I'm surprised you want to talk scheduling considering Utah's SOS has been tougher than BYU's 5 of the past 6 years.

    Utah will likely have the #1 SOS in 2014, BYU will probably come in around 70-80

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 16, 2014 10:29 a.m.

    @ marked it down "Utes didn't even play a top 60 schedule to qualify for a bowl, even during Utah's glory seasons of 2004 and 2008.

    Saying stuff just because you like the way it sounds doesn't make it true. Perhaps a quick review of the facts might help. Sagarin only goes back to 2008:

    2008 #56 SOS Sugar Bowl
    2009 #75 Poinsettia Bowl
    2010 #50 Las Vegas Bowl
    2011 #49 Sun Bowl

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 16, 2014 10:30 a.m.

    motorbike

    "... Utah beat more ranked teams than any other team in the country in 2008"

    Even so, Utah only played the 56th toughest schedule in 2008, which is obviously easier than the 38th toughest schedule that BYU played in 2013.

    #38 (2013) > #56 (2008) or #67 (2004)

    Gary Crowton's 2004, 5-6 BYU team with a #11 SOS, you know, the team that finally got Crowton fired, actually had a better record than Kyle Whittingham's 2013, 5-7 Utah team with a #3 SOS.

    BYU might have played in a bowl in 2004 if the Blue Cougars had played one more game against the Red Cougars at the end of the season.

    Let's not forget, BYU opened the 2004 season beating Notre Dame(6-6) 20-17 in LaVell Edwards Statium.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    April 16, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Utah played a tougher schedule than BYU last year, beat BYU and finished ranked [ONE PLACE]higher than BYU."

    Yet, BYU once again went bowling, while Utah was once again playing couch potato.

    Whine all you want to about scheduling, but it's still not going to help you get to a bowl.

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    UU

    Sagarin goes all the way back to the mid-90s and prior to 2013, Utah had never played a tougher schedule than BYU's #38 2013 schedule.

    Bottom line during the Independent/PAC 12 era:

    BYU 3 bowls (9 straight bowl seasons)
    Utah 1 bowl (2 straight bowl-less seasons)

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 16, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    @ Snack PAC "#38 (2013) > #56 (2008)"

    Using you logic then, #3 (2013) > any BYU schedule in history. What's your point?

    Or are you simply pointing out that BYU went 8-5 on the #38 SOS in '13 while Utah went 13-0 on the #56 SOS in '08?

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2014 11:00 a.m.

    Ute fans, TroyTown nailed it...byu-provo fans would rather have guaranteed wins against no name teams, especially at home, than risk a loss. Obviously, the ponies and rainbows they were sold in independence land suits them. They deserve to be right where they are.

    The Pac-12 is a great journey that byu-provo fans will never understand. Who are we to criticize?

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2014 11:05 a.m.

    Welcome to Utah Chayden. It's cool to be able to play for "your team" whoever that team happens to be.

    As for the rest of these comments, the same old arguement is so old. I'm not sure what an article about a local high school kid deciding to go to the U has to do with Utah's strength of schedule in 2008 but whatever.

    I know any article about the two teams will always draw a certain amount of trash talk between the two rivals but the level of insecurity that byu fans are displaying has become a little embarrassing. It wasn't that long ago that Utah had that many bowl wins in row. Utah has missed post season play for two years now and I get the whole idea of kicking your rival when they are down. But the constant pounding of your chest when your team is getting bowl games by playing awful competition 85% of the time, then it's probably time to worry more about your own team. Especially when your rival has beaten your team 4 years in a row.

    Go Utes!

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 16, 2014 11:06 a.m.

    @Troy Town "Utah had never played a tougher schedule than BYU's #38 2013 schedule.

    And BYU has never played a tougher schedule than Utah's #3 2013 schedule. What's your point?

    @Troy Town "BYU 9 straight bowl seasons, Utah 2 straight bowl-less seasons"

    Over the past 11 seasons, BYU is 6-3 in bowl games while Utah is 8-1 with appearances in the Fiesta and Sugar, not to mention owning the head-to-head against BYU.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 16, 2014 11:07 a.m.

    The point, obviously, is that Utah's #41 2012 schedule was easier than BYU's #38 2013 schedule, yet Utah still wasn't good enough to qualify for a bowl in 2012.

    Blame your bowl-less seasons on SOS if it helps you sleep at night, but it's obvious that SOS isn't the only thing keeping Utah out of the bowl picture.

    BYU played FIVE ranked teams in 2012; Utah only played TWO.

    -----------

    Rankings, btw, are based on record, SOS, and a couple of factors Utah fans seem to be completely oblivious of, recent past performance and national cachet, factors Utah was sadly lacking in in 2004 and 2008.

  • Tajemnica West Valley, Utah
    April 16, 2014 11:22 a.m.

    @motorbike

    3? There were no other teams in the country in 2008 that beat more than 3 ranked teams? Sounds like you need to get your facts straight. 2008 wins vs. top 25 for utah: #12TCU, #14BYU, #4Alabama.

  • maq West Valley, Utah
    April 16, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    @Spokane Ute
    Mark this down with a sharpie. Fact: utah did NOT finish ranked higher than BYU. Fact #2 of all the so called 'tough' teams utah played, they only defeated Stanford

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    April 16, 2014 11:31 a.m.

    UU

    Over the past 5 seasons, BYU is 4-1 in bowl games; Utah is only 2-1.

    Bronco is 9 for 9 in bowls played in
    Kyle is only 7 for 9

    Bronco has THREE 11+ Win/Top 15 Finishes; Kyle only ONE

    Bronco has TWO Conference Championships; Kyle only ONE

    Despite Kyle's flash-in-the-pan 2008 season and head-to-head advantage, Bronco has obviously accomplished more overall.

    It's interesting that the only accomplishment Utah fans have been able to beat their chests about, since joining the PAC, is, ironically, beating BYU.

    Unfortunately, that doesn't compensate for being a perennial conference bottom dweller.

  • yabuts Springville, utah
    April 16, 2014 11:30 a.m.

    QWEST P..

    Great post, best of the day, keep them coming!!!

  • Tajemnica West Valley, Utah
    April 16, 2014 11:33 a.m.

    @midpacmajor

    Are you looking at teams ranked at the end of the year or when the teams played them because in 2012 BYU only played 2 ranked teams and utah, 3. Please people, use facts in your arguments. Otherwise you make yourselves and your preferred schools look dumb.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    April 16, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    Qwest Perfected

    "But the constant pounding of your chest when your team is getting bowl games by playing awful competition 85% of the time,..."

    Only in the view of a crimson-colored glasses wearer would playing the 38th toughest schedule in the country be considered playing awful competition 85% of the time?

    Utah did win 9 consecutive bowls, but they were not won in 9 consecutive seasons.

    Utah's only streak of 9 consecutive bowl seasons ended with an 8-1 record, with mostof those wins coming against teams even more mediocre than the teams Utah fans continue to demean BYU for playing.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    April 16, 2014 11:54 a.m.

    Glad to have him on board.

    Utah appears to have caught lightning in a bottle with Philips, and lining up his heir apparent will hopefully keep the special teams solid for years to come.

    Go Utes

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 16, 2014 12:07 p.m.

    midmajor, the fact that you are here on yet another Utah story speaks volumes. Let's take each of your statements individually:

    "BYU played FIVE ranked teams in 2012; Utah only played TWO" Congrats on playing more ranked teams but BYU ultimately went 1-4 against them, and then built a bowl resume on the backs of New Mexico State, Hawaii, Idaho State, Weber and a bad 3-9 WSU (not the 2013 bowl team). So what does that make BYU in 2012, the best of the worst? If your point is that some years BYU's mediocre teams are better than Utah's and vice versa, then I get it (see 2005).

    "Utah fans seem to be completely oblivious of, recent past performance and national cachet, factors Utah was sadly lacking in in 2004 and 2008." BYU has never come close to putting together a body of work like Utah's 2008 season beating 4 ranked teams including two top 10 teams. Please provide any year in which BYU football beat two teams that finished the season ranked. I'll be waiting for your reply.

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 16, 2014 12:14 p.m.

    Tajemnica,

    Utah beat teams that finished the season ranked as follows:
    #6 Alabama
    #7 TCU
    #19 OSU
    #21 BYU

    End of the season rankings are more accurate than mid-season rankings because some teams prove to be paper tigers (see #5 Utah in 2010 and #1 Pitt in 1986)

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 16, 2014 12:16 p.m.

    @maq "Fact: utah did NOT finish ranked higher than BYU"

    Wrong. Per Sagarin, Utah 34, BYU 35. Check it out for yourself.

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 16, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    talkinsports,

    I can see that Utah's ownership of BYU over the past dozen years in football, and trips to the Sugar and Fiesta bowls is a tough pill to swallow.

    How else do you explain your attendance here on yet another Utah thread?

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 16, 2014 12:43 p.m.

    Qwest Perfected,

    Perfectly said.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    April 16, 2014 1:03 p.m.

    UU

    Utah has never come close to the body of work BYU put together from 1979 to 1984, finishing in the Top 12 five out of six seasons, with more than twice as many 11+ win seasons in that short six-year period, than Utah has had in their entire football history; culminating in a 24-game winning streak, back-to-back Top 7 finishes, and a consensus National Championship, including finishing #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls.

    The Utes, by comparison, weren't even ranked in 2005, 2006, or 2007, the seasons leading up to their flash-in-the-pan 2008 season.

    Even in Utah's best season ever, the Utes only finished 4th in the Coaches Poll, the poll that determines the winner of the Crystal Football National Championship trophy, ironically, the exact same trophy awarded to the winner of the BCS championship game, not the winner of a lesser BCS bowl.

    You obviously still haven't grasped the concept that it takes more than one great season for a program with no national cachet to win a national championship.

  • CG Orem, UT
    April 16, 2014 1:13 p.m.

    UU

    "End of the season rankings are more accurate than mid-season rankings..."

    Not only are they more accurate, end of season rankings are the ONLY rankings that count.

    1984 BYU #1 AP, #1 Coaches

    2008 Utah #2 AP, #4 Coaches

    2004 Utah #4 AP, #5 Coaches

    1996 BYU #5 AP, #5 Coaches

    Hard as it is for the kids on the hill to accept, the truth is, BYU's 1996 team was as close as Utah 2004 and nearly as close as Utah 2008 to winning a Crystal Football National Championship trophy.

    If an undefeated season was all that was required to win a national championship, Marshall and Tulane would have won national championships during the BCS era.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    UU

    I can see how frustrated Utah fans have become realizing just how how meaningless Utah's supposed "ownership" of BYU over the past dozen years in football really is on a national scale.

    Even during the peak of Utah's success, the Utes weren't good enough to put together four straight AP Top 25 finishes, in fact, BYU had almost as many AP Top 25 finishes from 2006 to 2009 as Utah has had in their entire history.

    It is interesting that Utah fans continue to use BYU as their measuring stick for success, even when beating BYU isn't even good enough to get U to a bowl.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2014 1:30 p.m.

    little perspective

    "Ute fans, TroyTown nailed it...BYU fans would rather have guaranteed wins against no name teams, especially at home, than risk a loss."

    Since when are Texas, Boise State, and Houston - three teams Utah has NEVER beaten - no name teams?

    From BYU fans' perspective, Utah fans would rather beat BYU, than have a winning conference season or play in a bowl.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    April 16, 2014 1:41 p.m.

    Rose Bowl call yet?

    AP Top 25 Finishes (the rankings Utah fans always cite)

    BYU 2006 to 2009 - FOUR
    Utah 1965 to 2013 - FOUR

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2014 2:18 p.m.

    What's ironic is when you follow up "but the level of insecurity that byu fans are displaying has become a little embarrassing" with an insecure utah "my dad can beat up your dad" rant that is equally embarrassing.

    Now, watch the DesNews comment police deny this as off topic, while at the same time the majority of the comments on this article have ZERO to do with the obviously talented young kicker who selected his dream school.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 16, 2014 2:59 p.m.

    TSA:

    Your authority is slipping--Utah has 5 Top 25 AP finishes, '94, '03, '04, '08 and '09.

    On the other hand, all-time AP Top 10 finishes looks like this:
    Utah - 3
    BYU - 3

    AP Top 5 all time:
    Utah - 2
    BYU - 2

    It's funny how Y fans deride 1994, 2004 and 2008 as flukes for Utah. By the same measuring stick, it would seem that 1983, 1984 and 1996 were flukes for the Y.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    April 16, 2014 3:25 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    Conspiculously absent from your list is the total number of AP Top 25 finishes:

    BYU - 17
    Utah - 5

    Also missing is the highest finish ever:

    BYU - #1
    Utah - #2

    Longest consecutive streaks:

    BYU - 4 (3 streaks of 3 or more AP Top 25 finishes)
    Utah - 2 (twice)

    BYU had 11 AP Top 25 finishes, before Utah managed to crack the AP Top 25 for the first time, in 1994, 17 years after BYU cracked the final AP poll for the first time in 1977.

    At its current rate of one AP Top 25 finish every 15.6 years, it'll take the Utes another 187 years just to match BYU's current total of 17 AP Top 25 finishes.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2014 3:31 p.m.

    LonestarRunner
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "Since when are Texas, Boise State, and Houston - three teams Utah has NEVER beaten - no name teams?"

    BSU and Houston? You have to be kidding. Lol!!

    "From BYU fans' perspective, Utah fans would rather beat BYU, than have a winning conference season or play in a bowl."

    You have it wrong. What we Utah fans would like is to continue putting byu-provo in it's place on an annual basis and then get better at taking care of business in our elite conference. #1 is accomplished. Now the Utes have to up their game for a level of competition in he Pac-12 that byu-provo could never hope to give us. In other words...a game with byu-provo is a waste of time. Just cannon fodder for these sports boards. But, it's always fun talking to you people.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 16, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    Y little brother:

    Just like it'll take BYU beating Utah 23 years in a row just to even up the series. But their current streak of 0-4 doesn't bode well for the cougs when the series resumes.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    April 16, 2014 7:59 p.m.

    He will probably do well and hope he does but kicking off a tee is much different than kicking off the ground and many kickers don't make that transition...

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    April 17, 2014 7:51 a.m.

    JohnInSLC

    Unlike the kids on the hill, who are forced to use the head-to-head with BYU as their standard of success, BYU fans can judge the overall success of BYU's football program based on much higher standards like National Championships, Heisman Trophies, perennial Top 25 finishes, National Individual Award recipients, and players inducted into the National College Football Hall of Fame.

  • 311ute Reno, NV
    April 17, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    Here are the facts about BYU and Utah football right now.
    Utah has BYU's number (9/12)
    BYU has finished the the last few years with better record (mostly due to a weak schedule)
    BYU's season is meaningless after one loss, enjoy your prepaid bowl ticket.
    Utah has something to play for nearly every week, BYU doesn't.
    Utah has struggled in the PAC. BYU fans love this because misery loves company.
    If BYU was in the PAC, they would face the same struggles.
    With the BCS now done, BYU should have stayed in the MTN West. Going undefeated in the MTN West would have been better for their chances to getting into the playoff then a weak independent schedule.
    BYU better start scheduling better. Home games this year include Houston, Virginia, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV, and Savannah State. Have fun with that.
    Utah's home schedule - Idaho State (the yearly cupcake), Fresno State (eh, not much better), then there's USC, Oregon, Arizona, and Washington State.
    Now enough of the banter and congratulate the kid on his commitment

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 17, 2014 9:52 a.m.

    Great to see that the coaches are not neglecting the kicking game in recruiting! Hey, Duckhunter, did you notice this kid says Utah was always his top choice. Some time ago you said nobody grows up wanting to play for Utah. I guess you might have been wrong.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    April 17, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    Nice pickup for the Utes! Wish there was not a two year hold on the Holy War, because win or lose it is always much more fun to play your rival!!! In state games are always big and rivals just ask CU and CSU!!! Wish this young man and the rest of the Utes good luck this coming season!!!

    Go Cougs!!! Rise Up!!!
    Go Utes!!! Onward and upward!!!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 17, 2014 2:01 p.m.

    talkinsports:

    "Bronco is 9 for 9 in bowls played in...Kyle is only 7 for 9"

    Nope. You made that up.

    Bronco's bowl record is 6-3; not 9-0. He lost in the Las Vegas Bowl to Cal (2005) and Arizona (2008), and in the Kraft Fight Hunger vs. Washington.

    Kyle's bowl record is 7-1; not 7-2.

    7-1 > 6-3

    Edge: Kyle

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 17, 2014 2:06 p.m.

    Y little brother:

    Funny how Y fans have selective memories when claiming that the Y's "overall success" is better than Utah's. How about we just look at the overall records to measure "overall success":

    Utah: 628-435-31 (57.4% winning percentage)
    BYU: 518-383-26 (55.9% winning percentage)

    Bowl records:
    Utah: 13-4 (76.4%)
    BYU: 13-18-1 (40.6%)

    Undefeated Seasons
    Utah: 5
    BYU: 1

    And don't forget, Utah has three things BYU doesn't have, and likely never will: two BCS Bowl trophies and a No. 1 overall NFL draft pick.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    April 17, 2014 2:15 p.m.

    311ute,
    Interesting but shortsighted comments! Yes, Utah is up right now in football but if you go back through the rivalry it has swung back and forth! Both schools are in much better situations then they were in the MWC, so good for both!!! I disagree that BYU has nothing to play for or important games after the first loss!!! Every team has goals for each season, they may not accomplish all the goals but it does not make the season a total loss If they accomplish most of the team goals! Utah has lost more conference games each year does that mean they should give up and quit on the PAC12? I say NO!!! Only one team each year is crowned NC either by polls or now a game or playoff! Does that mean the rest give up playing? The answer is NO!!! I will always be a BYU fan and fan of the rivalry between the two schools!!! And just for the record it was a Utah fan in the first comment that brought up BYU on an article about a Utah recruit!!! Too funny!!!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 17, 2014 2:45 p.m.

    Y little brother:

    Oh, and I forgot to mention conference titles "overall":

    Utah: 24, and counting
    BYU: 23, and not counting

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 17, 2014 2:47 p.m.

    LonestarRunner:

    "Since when are Texas, Boise State, and Houston - three teams Utah has NEVER beaten - no name teams?"

    Houston is not a "name" team. They're an AAC team, and the AAC is now a midmajor conference. Furthermore, the Y had only beaten ONE Houston team, and really all you did there as beat an unranked gloried C-USA squad. That does not compare to Utah's record against them because back when WE were playing them, we were a WAC team, and playing with WAC recruits, whereas they were a SWC team playing SWC with recruits. Not a midmajorey team playing midmajorey recruits like your 2013 opponent. And as for our 0-4 lifetime record against them, 3 finished ranked in the final polls (#17-1966, #14-1971, and #11-1978), and in only 1 season (1978) did we have a winning record. And while we didn't beat Houston that year, we DID beat the Y. Not that any of that matters. What matters -- as far as the U and the Y are concerned -- is that Utah beat the Y last fall, and thus were the better team.

    We were also the better team the 3 preceding yrs, and own them in the all-time series.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2014 5:00 p.m.

    JohnInSLC
    Cottonwood Heights, UT

    "Y little brother:

    Oh, and I forgot to mention conference titles "overall":

    Utah: 24, and counting
    BYU: 23, and not counting"

    You got that right, JohnInSLC...byu-provo is done chasing conference titles. It's remarkable how important the past titles are to so many of the cougar faithful yet they are completely sold on the ponies and rainbows of independence. Lol!

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    April 17, 2014 6:35 p.m.

    To all the Utah "fans"!
    Funny how on a Utah article about a new Utah recruit you still are the first to bring up your "non" rival BYU!!! Why is that? I thought you moved Onward and Upward away from BYU? I love the Holy War and rivalry between our two schools in all sports!!!

    Go Cougs!!! Rise Up!!!

    Go Utes!!! Onward and Upward!!!

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 17, 2014 6:51 p.m.

    royalblue and Rose Bowl,

    The following statement....

    "BYU has never come close to putting together a body of work like Utah's 2008 season beating 4 ranked teams including two top 10 teams"

    Was not a slam on BYU's overall football success throughout the years, it was in response to mid-major's statement that Utah's 2008 season was "sadly lacking". If beating 4 ranked teams is sadly lacking what do you say about a season when your school beat ZERO ranked teams (1986)?

    Utah does not use BYU as a measuring stick, we simply make these comparisons to show how ridiculous some statements are like mid-major's. The bigger concern for Y fans should be, why do I keep landing in the Utah comments section when I'm a BYU fan? Obsession?

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 17, 2014 6:55 p.m.

    @Reno Cougs Fan 68 "To all the Utah "fans, Funny how on a Utah article about a new Utah recruit you still are the first to bring up your "non" rival BYU"

    Funny how on a Utah article about a Utah recruit a BYU fan will show up multiple times. Why?

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    April 17, 2014 7:42 p.m.

    UU
    Easy answer to your question. I am honest enough to still consider Utah our rival and so I read and comment on Utah articles! Why do Utah fans who insist that Utah moved Onward and Upward when they joined the PAC12, continue to read and comment on BYU articles in a Mormon paper? Especially when Utah put a hold on things for the next two years!!! I do not read or comment on any articles in the SL Tribune nor do I read or comment on articles in the papers of BYU's opponents unless there is a link in the Dnews!!!

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 17, 2014 10:30 p.m.

    UU

    Since the AP poll only included the Top 20 in 1984, technically, BYU didn't beat a ranked team, but BYU did beat a Top 25 team, Air Force(8-4), which finished #24 in the final AP Poll, higher than Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh(8-4), which finished #25 in the same poll.

    As far as midmajor's statement, two words: reading comprehension

    "Rankings, btw, are based on record, SOS, and a couple of factors Utah fans seem to be completely oblivious of, recent past performance and national cachet, factors Utah was sadly lacking in in 2004 and 2008."

    When you're trying to build momentum towards winning a National Championship, it's easy to see why BYU was considered a legitimate contender in 1984, whereas Utah had absolutely no momentum entering the 2004 and 2008 seasons:

    Utah 1999 to 2003
    9-3, unranked
    4-7, unranked
    8-4, unranked
    5-6, unranked
    10-2, #21/#21

    Utah 2003 to 2007
    10-2, #21/#21
    12-0, #4/#5
    7-5, unranked
    8-5, unranked
    9-4, unranked

    BYU 1979 to 2003
    11-1, #13/#12
    12-1, #12/#12
    11-2, #13/#11
    8-4, unranked
    11-1, #7/#7

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    April 17, 2014 10:35 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "Houston is not a "name" team."

    They're as much a "name" team as any power conference bottom dweller.

    U should show a little more respect to a team the Utes have NEVER beaten, 0-4 lifetime versus the Houston Cougars.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 17, 2014 10:58 p.m.

    Bottom line:

    Utah was 36-22, with a #21/#21 finish leading up to 2004.
    Utah was 46-16, with #21/#21 and #4/#5 finishes leading up to 2008.
    BYU was 53-9, with four Top 12 finishes leading up to 1984.

    BYU had twice as many Top 12, 11+ win seasons in the five years leading up to BYU's National Championship season, than the Utes have had in their entire history.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    April 17, 2014 11:31 p.m.

    Bingham just keeps producing great kickers. Good luck to a good kid.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2014 12:10 a.m.

    Snack PAC
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    motorbike

    "... Utah beat more ranked teams than any other team in the country in 2008"

    Even so, Utah only played the 56th toughest schedule in 2008, which is obviously easier than the 38th toughest schedule that BYU played in 2013.

    --------------

    Easier?

    Utah beat 4 ranked teams that season: #6, #7, #18, #25.

    BYU hasn't beat 4 ranked teams in over 17 seasons, currently only 3 wins #21 TCU, #18 Utah, #18 Utah State. The last time BYU beat a Big 5 final ranked team was in 1990, #5 Miami.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2014 12:31 a.m.

    TheSportsAuthority
    Arlington, VA

    Rose Bowl call yet?

    AP Top 25 Finishes (the rankings Utah fans always cite)

    BYU 2006 to 2009 - FOUR
    Utah 1965 to 2013 - FOUR

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    Wrong!

    Final AP Rankings (playing similar schedule in MWC):

    Utah:
    2009 #18 10-3
    2008 #2 13-0 (16 first place votes, highest ranked mid-major under BCS rules)
    2004 #4 12-0
    2003 #21 10-2

    BYU:
    2009 #12 11-2
    2008 #25 10-3
    2007 #14 11-2
    2006 #16 11-2
    2001 #25 12-2

    So BYU has one more #25 finish. Congrats! I guess we'll just have to settle for two undefeated seasons and the top ranked mid-major in the BCS era.

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 18, 2014 12:42 a.m.

    Riddles,

    Perhaps my reading comprehension is not the issue but how cachet is being defined. Utah beat 4 ranked teams in 2008 (something BYU has never even come close to doing). Leading up to 1984, it took BYU 17 seasons to register five wins over ranked teams. Is that cachet?

    On one hand, Cougars fans want to dismiss Utah's 2004 #4 ranking due to not beating any quality teams. A more recent example is BYU fans dismissing Utah's 11-1 2013 non-conference basketball schedule due to weak SOS. How are the BYU football seasons leading up 1984 any different than those Utah examples which Y fans want to dismiss due to weak SOS? Yet you claim cachet for BYU football for beating a bunch of nobodies leading up to 1984.

  • Proud Ute ,
    April 18, 2014 5:51 a.m.

    Welcome Chayden!
    Have a university experience and finish your degree!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    April 18, 2014 7:24 a.m.

    Maq

    Mark this down with a sharpie. Fact: utah did NOT finish ranked higher than BYU. Fact #2 of all the so called 'tough' teams utah played, they only defeated Stanford

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    What is the source for your "facts"? The Sagarin rankings have BYU #35 and Utah #34. I'm sure you realize that the lower number is the higher rank; or maybe not. How many tough teams did BYU beat? Texas. Who actually won when BYU played Utah. Sorry, BYU lost the battle and the war last year. That's why BYU fans are pulling up rankings and stats from years and years ago to try and compare there team to Utah. Last year was quickly swept under the rug; par for the course.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    April 18, 2014 8:09 a.m.

    Uteology

    Nice try, but those aren't rankings "under BCS rules", in fact "BCS rules" don't even apply to the AP and Coaches polls.

    The only "BCS rules" rankings are the BCS standings, which are published at the end of the regular season. In those standings, the Utes have never finished higher than #6.

    btw, unlike the crimson colored view of the kids on the hill, college football history didn't begin in 1999 or 2004.

    UU

    Please explain what kind of national championship caliber momentum Utah had entering 2004 and 2008.

    In 2004, Utah had had ONE Top 25 finish, #21/#21, since 1994.
    In 2008, Utah had had THREE unranked seasons since their last Top 25 finish in 2004.

    But, the ultimate proof of which team had the most momentum entering 1984, 2004 or 2008, is in the final results:

    BYU finished 1984 ranked #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls, was selected Consensus National Champion by all five major national organizations of the day, and was awarded the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy, the exact same trophy now awarded the BCS champion.

    Utah 2004 finished #4 AP, #5 Coaches
    Utah 2008 finished #2 AP, #4 Coaches

    not even close to winning the Crystal Football.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    April 18, 2014 9:52 a.m.

    Skywalker

    BYU won the NC by default, and everyone knows it. Not a single top 25 victory, and Bowl victory over a medicore, at best, 6-6 Michigan team. That never happened before 1984, and will never happen again. No one has ever got the fast pass to the NC like BYU did that year. It's not BYU fault, but let's be honest about the lack of competition and weak bowl opponent. That's just the way it is. Comparing BYU's 1984 season to Utah's Sugar Bowl season is like comparing Jimmer Ferdette to Andre Miller. No comparison, not even close.

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 18, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    @Reno Cougs Fan 68 "Why do Utah fans who insist that Utah moved Onward and Upward when they joined the PAC12, continue to read and comment on BYU articles in a Mormon paper?

    I don't know, you need to ask that group of people

    @Reno Cougs Fan 68 "I do not read or comment on any articles in the SL Tribune"

    I'm not sure what your point is. Is not reading the SL Trib some type of accomplushment?

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 18, 2014 10:06 a.m.

    @ Riddles "BYU did beat... Air Force(8-4), which finished #24 in the final AP Poll, higher than Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh(8-4)"

    There really was no such thing as a #24 AP Poll team in 1984. There was the top 20 and all other's. So to say AFA was the #24 team in the country is taking some liberties. Furthermore, AFA did not have more votes than Notre Dame so you're taking even more liberties with the truth. Below is a cut and paste from that 1984 AP poll.

    OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES
    West Virginia 109, Georgia 67, Army 44, Notre Dame 26, Air Force 26

    Is the urge to continually visit Utah stories in an attempt to validate BYU supremacy to the rest of the world somewhat unusual? If BYU dominance is an "open and shut case" then let the facts speak for themselves... there should be no need to shout it from the rooftops on the Utah threads.

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 18, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    @skywalker "Please explain what kind of national championship caliber momentum Utah had entering 2004 and 2008"

    Not much. And I never said Utah had built up national championship caliber momentum. Where did you come up with that?

    Now, please explain what type of national momentum BYU built up ON THE FIELD by beating quality opponents in the years leading up to 1984? Utah beat as many ranked teams in one season (2008) as BYU did in the 16 seasons leading up to 1984.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    April 18, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    Wow...75 posts with rivalry vitriol over a kicker? This is really getting out of hand.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    April 18, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "BYU won the NC by default..."

    Just like every other national championship.

    If being undefeated were the only criteria for contending for a national championship, then:

    Why did Tulane(12-0) only finish #7 in 1998, behind 5 teams with 1+ losses?
    Why did Marshall(13-0) only finish #10 in 1999, behind 8 teams with 1+ losses?
    Why was undefeated BYU(11-0), prior to their bowl, only ranked #9 at the end of the regular season?
    Why did Penn St(12-0) only finish #5 in 1973, behind 3 teams with 1+ losses?
    Why did #2 Arizona St(12-0) finish behind #1 Oklahoma(11-1) in 1975?

    The truth is, every major college football organization in the business of selecting a national champion in 1984, spent over a month, from the time BYU rose to #1 at the end of the regular season, to the end of the bowl season, carefully evaluating the strengths and weaknesses of every legitimate contender, and when the final analysis was completed, BYU was found to be more deserving of being national champion than any of the other contenders.

    The proof is in the final results, despite the whiny nay saying of jealous Utah fans.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    April 18, 2014 11:53 a.m.

    skywalker

    Many fans felt that undefeated WAC champion Arizona State was cheated out of a national championship in 1975, which may have helped pave the way for undefeated WAC champion BYU to win the national championship in 1984.

    Like BYU in the 80's, ASU was a fixture in the Top 20 in the 70's.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 18, 2014 12:27 p.m.

    CordonBleu:

    Good point. One would think all fans of ANY school that was 0-4 against their rival would show a lot more respect to their betters.

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 18, 2014 12:57 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs "Wow...75 posts with rivalry vitriol over a kicker? This is really getting out of hand."

    Agreed. You've made some quality posts in the past, but you have also come over to Utah stories to take your digs at the Utes. Check out the article following Utah's loss to St. Mary's that blew up with 329 comments from mostly BYU fans. You might recognize the post below from that article.... it's your's

    "Yep bad loss to a cupcake team in a cupcake conference... U don't belong in the PAC12 when you get beat by 12 points to a team neither BYU or gonzaga lost to this year. "LOL"

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    skywalker
    Palo Alto, CA

    Uteology

    Nice try, but those aren't rankings "under BCS rules", in fact "BCS rules" don't even apply to the AP and Coaches polls.

    skywalker
    Palo Alto, CA

    Uteology

    Nice try, but those aren't rankings "under BCS rules", in fact "BCS rules" don't even apply to the AP and Coaches polls....

    btw, unlike the crimson colored view of the kids on the hill, college football history didn't begin in 1999 or 2004.

    ------------

    AP and Coaches polls are both driven by who is selected in the BCS title game. Beating a #2 team weights more then beating a #4 Bama team. Utah, nor TCU was ever going to be ranked #1. BYU? We'll they can't even get ranked high enough to make a BCS game.

    Or in 1972, when an Aggie and a Ute arrived, yet when BYU football history began.

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2014 2:21 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    0-4 in the last four meetings is world's apart from being 0-4 lifetime, especially when the team on the current winning streak has chosen to run away from the rivalry for the next two years.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    Uteology

    "AP and Coaches polls are both driven by who is selected in the BCS title game."

    Then how do you explain USC winning the AP National Championship in 2003 without even playing in the BCS championship game?

    The truth is, the AP poll that Utah fans like to cite, because it's the poll Utah finished highest in in 2004 and 2008, is completely independent of the BCS, in fact, the AP poll won't even allow the BCS to use their poll in the BCS formula.

    You can whine all you want to, but BYU's ranking in the polls is just as legitimate as any other team's ranking.

    In the Coaches poll, the one that officially crowns the winner of the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy, Utah has never finished higher than 4th.

    Obviously, beating four ranked teams in 2008 wasn't nearly as impressive as the kids would like to believe, especially when Utah did absolutely NOTHING in the preceding three seasons to warrant any national championship consideration.

    Next time, try being something more than a one-hit wonder.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2014 2:45 p.m.

    UU

    Air Force wasn't ranked in 1984, but they did finish with the 24th most votes in the final AP poll, so whether you want to admit it or not, Air Force a Top 25 team.

    1984 AP Poll
    OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES
    #21 West Virginia 109
    #22 Georgia 67
    #23 Army 44
    #24 Air Force 26
    #24 Notre Dame 26

    If the rankings had included the Top 25, instead the Top 20, Air Force would obviously have been ranked.

    Bottom line, Air Force was as much a Top 25 opponent as Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which finished with the 25th most votes in the final 2004 AP poll.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2014 4:12 p.m.

    Uteanymous
    Salt Lake City, Utah

    Uteology

    "AP and Coaches polls are both driven by who is selected in the BCS title game."

    Then how do you explain USC winning the AP National Championship in 2003 without even playing in the BCS championship game?

    ----------------

    USC 10-1 2003 was ranked #2 at end of regular season.... finished AP #1.
    Utah 12-0 2008 was ranked #6 at end of regular season.... #2 with 16 first place votes.
    TCU 12-0 2010 was ranked #3 at end of regular season... #2 with 1 AP first place vote.

    I think you will agree that all those three teams were better than the 1984 BYU team, according to on the field results.

    Good for BYU for backing into the 1984 title only because teams around you lost, you beat no one. And no Utah's 2004 did not deserve a title shot, for similar reasons (weak schedule).

    How's your BCS resume?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2014 4:21 p.m.

    @Uteanymous

    Bottom line, Air Force was as much a Top 25 opponent as Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which finished with the 25th most votes in the final 2004 AP poll.

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    BYU's 1984 SOS was ranked #104.
    Utah's 2004 SOS was ranked #67.

    Bottom line neither team deserved a national title.

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 18, 2014 4:52 p.m.

    @Uteanymous "Obviously, beating four ranked teams in 2008 wasn't nearly as impressive as the kids would like to believe"

    If it's not that impressive then why can't BYU do it? In fact BYU has never beat 3 teams that finished the year ranked.... Utah did that in 1994. Can you tell us if BYU ever had a season where they beat 2 teams that finished the year ranked?

    @Uteanymous "You can whine all you want to, but BYU's ranking in the polls is just as legitimate as any other team's ranking.

    I will give you that, BYU finished the year #1 which Utah has never done. But I've never seen a BYU fan recognize that the Cougars "big" seasons leading up to, and including, 1984 were all built on a very weak SOS. Are you willing to admit that?

    Remember, that's 4 wins over ranked teams in the 16 years leading up to 1984.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 18, 2014 9:55 p.m.

    Uteology

    Trying to compare teams from different eras is a complete waste of time, because it's impossible to do.

    Let's just put it this way, no team in 1984 was more deserving of being selected National Champion than BYU - the proof is in the final voting of all five major national selecting organizations.

    The same can not be said of Utah 2004 or Utah 2008.

    A comparison of the final votes is proof enough:

    1984
    #1 BYU(38) 13-0, 1,160 pts
    #2 Wash(16) 11-1, 1,140 pts

    BYU received more than twice as many 1st place votes as 2nd place Washington

    2008
    #1 Florida(48) 13-1, 1,606 pts
    #2 Utah(16) 13-0, 1,519 pts

    Utah only received a third as many 1st place votes as Florida

    And let's not forget, Utah finished 4th in the Coaches Poll (the official BCS poll).

    As far as weak schedules go, Utah's schedule leading up to 2008:

    #62, #67, #76, #73, #60

    Yet you still weren't good enough to be ranked from 2005 to 2007, and despite the three ranked opponents you beat at home during the regular season, your overall schedule was still a mediocre #56, nothing to beat your chest about.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 18, 2014 10:13 p.m.

    UU

    Remind us how many ranked teams Utah beat on the road during the 2008 regular season.

    You started the season barely squeaking by Michigan(3-9) 27-25 and followed that up later in the season with a narrow 13-10 win at New Mexico(4-8).

    Sure, you beat #18/#19 Oregon State(9-4) 31-28 and #7/#7 TCU(11-2) at home, but anyone who watched those games knows you only won by the skin of your teeth.

    Utah finished with a very good season, but the complete lack of momentum entering the season killed any real chances the Utes might have had to be a legitimate national championship contender.

    Trophy Case says it all:

    BYU has FIVE national championship trophies, including the Crystal Football National Championship trophy from 1984.

    Utah's trophy case is completely devoid of such awards.

  • UU Provo, UT
    April 19, 2014 11:25 a.m.

    phantomblade,

    You have your NC trophy. I already conceded that multiple times. Your post is simply rehashing what I have acknowledged.

    Are you willing to admit that BYU beat absolutely nobody in the years leading up to, and including, 1984?

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    April 19, 2014 2:11 p.m.

    Congrats Chayden, Bingham keeps churning out the talent, Coach Peck has built a quality program at Bingham. Can't wait for football season! Miner Pride

  • Mexican Ute mexico, 00
    April 20, 2014 4:49 p.m.

    Nice grab by the Utes!

    Go get 'em!

  • Mexican Ute mexico, 00
    April 20, 2014 9:50 p.m.

    To look at things objectively, seeing the play of both Utah and BYU this past year...

    Utah is 9-3 with BYU's schedule because they would have definitely beaten Virginia though I admit the Texas game would be closer.

    BYU is 4-8 or even 3-9 with Utah's schedule. Stanford would have beaten BYU, Arizona State would win more convincingly and even the Colorado game would be a tossup.

    It is tough playing consistent good teams and winning. One can play a great team such as an Oklahoma and beat them, but then when you drew Florida State, you got stomped on big time.

    Utah plays good teams consistently. That has upped their game even as they have lost quite a few games, because they are learning how to get better playing against good teams. BYU has an inconsistent schedule at best and a downright horrible schedule at worst. For that reason they have not gone to big bowls in a long time. They can't hang with the good teams in a consistent manner.

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    April 28, 2014 6:07 p.m.

    @ UU;

    You and a few others keep talking about Utah's tough SOS. But truly, what good does it do to have the toughest schedule in the nation if you can't even be semi-competitive with it.? Utah had a tough schedule this past season and finished with a losing record, no bowl game and a fight to stay out of the cellar of their conference. Sad.

    Brag about a tough schedule all you want. But it means nothing if you can't do anything with it.