Former starter, current displaced "power conference" player, looks to
BYU. "Why" you ask?“I’ve researched BYU and
think I’m a good fit because I don’t have character issues,”
Jackson told TotalBlueSports. “I have good character and when I was at
Nebraska I did a lot of good things around the community. I like to show good
leadership by example. I have good friends and I’m around a good crowd and
I stay out of trouble. I try to be good on and off the field and have good
grades. ... You know, I took on a tough major while playing football. I think
BYU is a place that fits me really well.”Could be!
Harvey Jackson was a 3-star recruit who received OFFERS from Nebraska, Arizona
State, Baylor, Duke, Houston, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Purdue, Rice,
SMU, and ... wait for it ...UtahOf course, now that
he's considering transferring to BYU, our resident Utah trolls will claim
that he runs a 10 flat 40 and can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
Unlike most byu fans, I can call it both ways, and I don't change my
criteria for when someone seems like a good player or not. He
certainly had some nice offers out of high school.Too bad for byu he
only has one year of eligibility left.It is interesting to note he
didn't even get on the field(or if he didn't he didn't record a
single stat) the past 5 games of the season. So hopefully byu fans likewise
can acknowledge he's probably an average player at this point(if you
disagree, are you saying that third string Nebraska players are superior to most
Zero playing time lately at Nebraska, but likely expects significant playing
time in Provo. Shows what kind of talent gap there is between the two.
What were the stats again for the Oklahoma transfer?
Chris B / Lifelong Ute / and other Utah trolls"It is interesting
to note he didn't even get on the field (or if he didn't he
didn't record a single stat) the past 5 games of the season."Remind us how many times Kendall Thompson, Utah's heir apparent QB, got
on the field and how many stats he recorded in his entire career at Oklahoma.Here, I'll help:STATS - COMP-ATT-YDS-TD-INT2013
--- 4 - 13 - 64 - 1 - 1Career - 4 - 13 - 64 - 1 - 1The
inconsistency of the kids on the hill when it comes to evaluating BYU and Utah
players is hilarious.
Most fans would agree that it's infinitely easier to plug a transfer senior
safety into a defense, than a transfer sophomore quarterback.Except,
of course, those living under the crimson bubble who are convinced that Kyle is
a magician at managing his quarterbacks.
Chris B & Lifelong Ute:Do you guys know how good Nebraska's
secondary has been the last few years? Yeah there's a talent gap between
them and most programs including Utah (where BYU has already had superior talent
to Utah at the safety position). They've had multiple draft picks in their
secondary the last couple years and two studs at safety right now. Jackson was a
starter at the beginning of last year and certainly had limited playing time
toward the end of the year but that's because of the talent he was up
against which is superior to most programs. Maybe he'll choose BYU and
maybe he'll start, but maybe he won't, we'll see.I
know one thing's for sure I would take this guy over Eric Rowe and how
poorly he performed last year. At Nebraska Rowe would probably make the scout
team if he was lucky. Don't be jealous because Utah didn't get Jackson
when they need all the help they can get in the secondary right now. How was
that defense against the pass last year? 109th at 267 a game!? Ouch
The bigger question is how many QB's will transfer from Utah when they
don't get any reps? My guess 3 this year leaving two qb's which will
be injured in the first three games.
"What were the stats again for the Oklahoma transfer?" -- nhatch82"Remind us how many times Kendall Thompson, Utah's heir
apparent QB, got on the field..." -- deductive reasoningKeep in
mind that there were 2 MAJOR obstacles that kept Oklahoma QB Kendal Thompson off
the field:(1) Kendal was a QB. Outside of Special Teams plays --
where there are no QBs -- there is only ONE QB on the field per play.
Conversely, there can be multiple Safeties per play, and typically play two.(2) Kendal was sidelined due to an injury in the preseason, and that
impacted his ability to practice and compete for the starting position. Harvey
on the other hand was sidelined due to being not as good as the other Safeties
on the 1st and 2nd team depth charts.
@cougsndawgs, Your prolific go fast go hard offense with Taysom didn't do
much against the 109th pass defense last year, at home no less. Ouch indeed
Cougsndawgs:"I would take this guy over Eric Rowe and how poorly
he performed last year."No, you'd take this guy over Rowe
because you don't have the option to get Rowe in lieu Jackson. Rowe
isn't interested in playing that small ball brand the cougars are resigned
to. And since you brought up last year's performance, here are some
measurable that compare these 2 Safeties:Jackson registered 34 total
tackles (20 solo, 14 assisted), 0 sacks, and 0 passes defended. Vs. UCLA, he
registered 5 tackles (4 solo, 1 assisted).Rowe registered 68 total
tackles (41 solo, 27 assisted), 0.5 sacks, and 6 passes defended. Vs. UCLA, he
registered 7 tackles (5 solo, 2 assisted).If we only credited Rowe
with his 1st eight games, his stats would reflect 47 total tackles (32 solo, 15
assisted) and 5 passes defended.So whether we review Rowe's
season totals, per-game averages, 1st eight games, or vs. UCLA, Jackson failed
to outperform Rowe in ANY metric. And that's DESPITE Nebraska having
played a much easier schedule than Utah.
First of all, Nebraska usually has an outstanding secondary, so Jackson, even
though he may not have been their best secondary player, still got decent
playing time in a great position group. I would consider this transfer similar
to a Stanford backup tight end, a Wisconsin backup running back, or maybe an
Oklahoma backup QB, like Kendall Thompson.Having said that, I
disagree with the ute fans who think BYU and Nebraska have such a talent gap
that Jackson will be the star. BYU always has good safeties, and this year we
have a good overall secondary. Craig Bills and Robertson Daniel will still be
the starters, and Jackson can join Dallin Leavitt as a backup safety/nickleback.
He will get playing time, but it won't be much more than at BYU.
Just building some athletic depth, sounds good to me.
Me thinks Navel Vet protesteth too much. Jackson's transfer to BYU was good
for both, why all the rhetoric? Why not wish him well?
Lifelong:I don't know that you want to talk about BYU and TH's
performance against Utah. BYU out gained Utah (again) with 443 total yards. And
TH passed for 260 & ran for a hundred...yeah, I guess for ute fans
that's a great defensive performance...ouch indeed.NV:Everything you said disproved nothing about what I said. Yes, Rowe had more
stats than Jackson because he started every game and was on the field more for a
team that was 109th against the pass. Jackson played for Nebraska with a much
better, more talented secondary than Utah, not only limiting his starts but also
his playing time...limited minutes means less stats any way you slice it...I
believe that was my point wasn't it? And, no, I don't want Rowe thank
you very much...we had better safeties than him last year and will again this
year. And maybe Rowe does prefer playing little boy ball in a big boy conference
like Utah and getting beaten every other week. He might wish he could play at
the Y when his post seasons in uteville have been so dismal. Too bad BYU
doesn't need him.
Why the arguing? The fans of these two above average teams are hilarious. Just
grow up and enjoy your teams success. Be charitable to your opponents.
That's what it have learned from fans of great programs.
It's interesting to see how college football is evolving over the last
couple of years. Talented kids like Jackson who aren't getting the
opportunities they want are almost acting like free agents in the pros. In the
past, they would just play out their eligibility. Now, they're going
elsewhere and it seems that coaches are releasing those kids to open up
scholarships. It's a win win.I hope he contributes next season.
Naval VetMore rationalization about why it's a big deal that
BYU's Nebraska recruit didn't get any stats last year, yet it's
no big deal that Utah's Oklahoma recruit also didn't get any stats?Here's a clue:I'd be much more concerned about
anointing a transfer with no stats to be my starting QB, especially one who
won't even be joining the program until summer, than I would working a
transfer safety with no stats into the rotation.Utah continues to
shoot themselves in the foot at QB by insisting on experimenting with things
that no other program would even consider.
BO:You obviously haven't attended games against bitter rivals
involving fans of great programs. Georgia v Florida is much more bitter both in
the stands and on comment boards than BYU v Utah. Ever seen a USC v ND game or
followed the trash talking they throw at each other.? This is tame, believe me.
It gets bitter and below the belt at times here, but I think I can speak for
others when I say it doesn't affect our day or ruin our night...nothing
wrong with a little rivalry banter IMO.
Naval VetDespite your whiny excuses, it still doesn't change
the fact that Kendall Thompson has absolutely no experience as a starting QB at
the D1 college level, yet U foolishly think that you can plug someone like that
into a brand new offense in just a few short weeks during fall camp and expect
him to compete against PAC 12 defenses?
Clearly more than a football decision. This is a life style choice for the All
Big Ten Academic scholar athlete.Good for him. He is not
the first and will not be the last to come to BYU for the unique culture at the
Cougarista:"Me thinks Navel Vet protesteth too much."Me thinks Cougarista just read my post wherein Rowe proved to be a
substantially superior Safety to Jackson, had nothing of substance to counter
with, panicked, then threw out a butchered, red herring Shakespeare quote as his
Cougsndawgs:"Everything you said disproved nothing about what I
said."On the contrary, it DID. You said, "I would take this
guy over Eric Rowe and how poorly he performed last year." Yet I
demonstrated that Rowe's last year was superior to Jackson's. And if
you cite Rowe's "last year" as a reason for preferring Jackson --
and you DID -- then the fact that Rowe's "last year" being superior
to Jackson's means that you would not have wanted Jackson either. And
since you compared the two Safeties as though you had a choice as to whom
you'd take, and implied that you'd take the better of the two -- which
you DID -- then I did in fact disprove that you would have taken Jackson.And for what it's worth, the fact that Rowe started every game,
whereas Jackson did not, is irrelevant. Because if you reread what I wrote, I
also compared apples to apples -- using Rowe's first 8-games, and compared
it to Jackson's, and I also compared Rowe's and Jackson's common
opponent: both Utah and Nebraska faced UCLA at Home. And
Rowe's game stats > Jackson's.
Uteanymous:"I'd be much more concerned about anointing a
transfer with no stats to be my starting QB, especially one who won't even
be joining the program until summer, than I would working a transfer safety with
no stats into the rotation."That sounds like a straw man. Can
you provide even ONE post wherein I anointed ANY QB for this fall? No?I thought not.So guess your point is that you have
backwacn:"Naval Vet...U foolishly think that you can plug
someone like that into a brand new offense in just a few short weeks during fall
camp and expect him to compete against PAC 12 defenses?"You and
Uteanymous seem to be on the same "straw man" assault mission. Where
had I ever said -- or even IMPLIED -- that KT was destined to start for the U
after he checks on campus in the Fall?I've clearly frustrated
the two of you with my air tight case that Rowe > Jackson, so you've
resorted to the weakest of all arguments: the ones each of you
Me thinks Naval Vet is grasping at straws trying to assuage his anguished
jealousy over another prized recruit transferring to BYU.
Interesting statistic:Most recent UTE article on a Transfer athlete
(Gionni Paul) generated 3 BYU fan Comments. 9.5% of all comments. One BYU
comment was derogatory.Most recent BYU article on a Transfer athlete
(Jackson) has at this point generated 11 UTE fan comments. 41% of all comments.
9 of the 11 are derogatory.
Naval Vet"Can you provide even ONE post wherein I anointed ANY
QB for this fall?"He doesn't need to; your new offensive
coordinator has already made it clear that Kendall Thompson will be your new
starting QB unless he completely bombs in fall camp.Of course, since
you think you know more about the height and weight of BYU's new QB
recruit, than his own mother, you probably think you know more about who will be
Utah's new starting QB than Utah's OC.
CougarTown:So in other words, what you're saying is, neither
you, backwacn, nor Uteanymous can identify a single quote from me wherein
I'd picked Utah's starting QB in the fall. I thought not.P.S.: Just because some anonymous poster "claims" to be the mother of
some 0-star recruit, that doesn't mean it's true.
The fact that Naval Vet is responding so much shows that his cage was rattled.
You lose. Try better next time.
Naval VetJust because you claim that Hayden is the same height and
weight as he was last summer doesn't make it true.As TroyTown
already pointed out, it was Dave Christensen who all but anointed Kendall
Thompson to be Utah's new starting QB.- Kyle Whittingham
characterized the starting role as Wilson's to lose, but Christensen seems
to relish the idea that the quarterback depth chart may not be decided until the
fall.- Thompson was recruited by Christensen-
Thompson's skill set is similar to guys Christensen has had in the past- Said Christensen, "You have to have a guy who can protect the
football, that is the most important thing. You want someone who doesn't
hurt the football team and can make great decisions and execute an up-tempo
offense."Clearly, he wasn't talking about Travis Wilson,
who was a virtual turnover machine last season.Believe what you
want, but Thompson is clearly the player that Christensen expects to be his
starting QB in 2014.
WOW, if someone is having such a complete meltdown about a former Cornhusker
reportedly only looking at transferring to BYU, just imagine the hysteria
it's going to create when Harvey Jackson actually commits to coming to
BYU.btw, Jackson sounds like a great young man, with high standards
and great athleticism, who would be a great addition to BYU's football
Cougsndawgs"TH passed for 260 & ran for a hundred."You do realize that stats mean very little when your boy couldn't
get it in the end zone, right?
motorbikeTaysom got it in the end zone enough to win 8 games and
lead BYU to its 9th straight bowl game, which is more than can be said of
Comparing stats is ridiculous. Remember that BYU played 3 pretty horrible
football teams last year and 6 games against non-BCS schools. When the opponent
is so bad that they barely win a game or two the entire season, the stats are
skewed, they mean nothing. Reno, Idaho State, and Virginia really helped pad the
skywalker"Taysom got it in the end zone enough to win 8 games
and lead BYU to its 9th straight bowl game, which is more than can be said of
Wilson."And that had exactly what to do with my comment or that
of Cougsndawgs? Stay on target.
@ skywalkerI'm not sure that's a completely fair
comparison. Wilson was sidelined for the season with a medical condition. He
very well could have taken Utah back to a bowl if he stayed healthy.
2ferAren't you forgetting that Taysom started the season coming
off of season-ending knee surgery after only starting 3 games his Freshman
season, plus BYU was installing a brand new offense, plus his first start was on
the road in freaky weather conditions that could have thrown off any
quarterback's timing and accuracy.Give credit where credit is
due - Taysom finished the season strong; Travis, on the other hand, after a
strong start against Weber St,steadily declined throughout the season until he
was finally benched, and you can't attribute all of his decline to
NV:Maybe your understanding of "apples to apples" is different
than mine (or anyone else's). There was nothing apples to apples about your
argument. Comparing like opponents and seasons with individual players
isn't apples to apples and you know it. Even if Jackson has started the
whole season, Rowe was on the field far more (hardly left the field) than
Jackson. Utah's defense wasn't as good as Nebraska's which means
they were on the field more and had more opportunities to rack up stats. Jackson
was rotating between 4 safeties while Rowe never left the field...like I DID say
more minutes means more stats. Now if you had a stat that compared production
and avg minutes on the field then THAT would be apples to apples. I've
watched both Jackson & Rowe play...yes I think Jackson is a better player
with more athleticism than Rowe. That's my opinion, does that bother you?
@TwoFer"I'm not sure that's a completely fair
comparison. Wilson was sidelined for the season with a medical condition. He
very well could have taken Utah back to a bowl if he stayed healthy."I am fairly confident throwing six picks in one game will not get you to
a bowl game.
It's hysterical to see Naval cry about a hypothetical contract, while utah
has big news about their mascot being an actual contract. Avoiding
your team; commenting on another = obsessed with other team. As
always, you boost the stats of people reading and commenting on BYU articles.
May many, MANY more come because of those like you. Thanks for your support.
You bring more articles for you, me, and all of us to read about BYU.Hope he commits. The irony of choosing blue after playing with red will be
rich to see!
@ Sports fanI'm not forgetting, but Taysom coming off an injury
is completely irrelevant because he was able to play in all games in 2013,
whereas Travis was not. Hence the reason I said the comparison wasn't
completely fair. I'm not taking anything away from Taysom. My post
wasn't even about him. I agree that you can't attribute all of
Wilson's struggles to injuries. A large part of his problems are due to
the fact that he played against very difficult teams week in and week out.@ nhatch82Throwing 6 ints will certainly make it more
difficult to win that particular game, but that's only one loss. It
won't necessarily disqualify a team from a bowl game. Sometimes good
QB's get bitten by the turnover bug. See: Max Hall
Good luck to Utah and BYU. I hope they both do well.
Striker:"It's hysterical to see Naval cry about a
hypothetical contract..."Wait, what? Oh,...I get it. It's
another one of those "straw man" arguments from the army of cougar fans
with nothing of substance to debate other than the ones they've completely
totally imagined for themselves. Yeah, I've been seeing a lot of that.
Naval VetPhiladelphia, PA'Striker:'It's
hysterical to see Naval cry about a hypothetical contract...'"Wait, what? Oh,...I get it. It's another one of those 'straw
man' arguments from the army of cougar fans with nothing of substance to
debate...."Naval....who is offering substance for debate? I
assert that Rowe had the better statistics because the other teams ran and threw
at his side and position.Now, as Matt Damon famously stated:
"How do you like them apples?" We'll all await the corrections to
Old But Not Stupid:You "assert", but offer no support? Okay
then...I assert that other teams did NOT prefer to throw at his side and
position. And since we don't have support our assertions, we can pretty
much just say whatever sounds good, right? Is that how you all debate down
there in Provo?
@navelvetIt's laughable how obsessed you are with the stats of
a Safety who might be transferring to BYU and may not even be a starter,
considering how dismissive you are about the stats of a transfer who will
probably be Utah's starting QB next season.btw, I'm pretty
sure Moorpark, CA is no where near Provo.
Navalskywalker is correct. He must have studied geography.You expose the shallowness of your argument to say Rowe accumulated relatively
LARGE stats because opponents "ran away" from him. You appear to miss
the point that your position is merely the other side of the same coin....for me
to "assert" that Jackson had SMALLER stats for the same reason (because
opponents ran away from him). Does that sound logical to you?I'll suggest that in the universe of likelihoods my "unfounded"
assertion holds just as much water as your labored but misapplication of your
facts. For example, Van Noy's senior year stats were less impressive than
his junior year. But I don't hear that smart people (NFL scouts/etc.) have
lost interest in VN. Your model does not incorporate this real world
"metric" while professional talent evaluators appear to have done so.Others have noted the interesting volume and tenor of crimson posters
regarding a matter that has NOTHING to do with Ute football or Rowe. This is a
pathetic and sad situation.
Old But Not Stupid:In fairness I'm the one who brought up Rowe.I also pointed out to Naval Vet that Rowe was on the field more whether
Jackson started or not so comparing like games or parts of the season
aren't an apples to apples argument. Nebraska had a better defense, so
wasn't on the field as much as Utah, and Jackson was rotating with four
other safeties for playing time while Rowe hardly left the field. NV thinks that
his stats showing like games or points of the season is an "apples to
apples" argument. My analysis above shows it most certainly isn't but
NV hasn't answered me on that so maybe he agrees? In any case,
I think Jackson is a great pick up for BYU that will provide depth and talent in
the secondary. I shouldn't have brought up Rowe to antagonize the crimson
club. My apologies.
skywalker:"btw, I'm pretty sure Moorpark, CA is no where
near Provo."BTW, I'm sure that has absolutely nothing to do
with anything I'd ever said, on any article, in either of Utah's major
media publications. So what's your point?Old But Not
Stupid:There was nothing "shallow" in my argument that Rowe
> Jackson. My point was in exposing the shallowness of YOUR point, wherein
you just say whatever feels good to say, and don't/can't support it.
Cougsndawgs:"Nebraska had a better defense, so wasn't on
the field as much as Utah...My analysis above shows it most certainly isn't
but NV hasn't answered me on that so maybe he agrees?" I'm not sure what your "analysis" demonstrated, as it offered no
hard data. And for the record, I do NOT agree with you. You claim Nebraska had
a better defense, so here's the numbers:NEBRASKA...Scoring Defense: 24.8 ppgTotal Defense: 370.8 ypg UTAH...Scoring Defense: 28.0 ppgTotal Defense: 397.7 ypgTHAT's how you do analysis -- with "measurable"; not
"feel-good opinions". So was UNL's defense superior to
Utah's because they held their opponents to 26.9 fewer ypg, and 3.2 fewer
ppg?Not necessarily.Nebraska's defensive stats
could have been aided by playing less prolific offenses.Utah's
opponents' season averages totaled 444.0-yds and 33.1-pts per game, whereas
Nebraska's opponents averaged 387.1 and 27.1 respectively. That's a
difference of Utah's opponents' season averages of 56.9 MORE yds, and
6 MORE points per game.All in all, I demonstrated "real"
analysis, whereas you demonstrated none. Edge: Naval Vet's
NV:So you cherry pick one variable of what I said but not the other?
Nebraska's secondary ranked 33rd against the pass at 214.6 yards a game
while Utah's ranked 109th at 267.3. Yes that's only a difference of 53
yards but that also the difference between 7-12 plays in a game...and obviously
a huge difference in rank.Now to the other variable you conveniently
didn't address. Jackson was rotating with 4 safeties while Rowe was always
on the field. More minutes, more stats...more yards given up passing (as
demonstrated in the above stats) equals more opportunities for tackles by
safeties. If you couldn't see that analysis or what it demonstrates is that
my fault? Even without Nebraska's superior stats defensively, a player who
gets less time on the field isn't going to have as many stats. That sounds
like "real" analysis that demonstrates plenty.And what does
playing less prolific offenses have to do with it? Are you suggesting that Rowe
spent MORE TIME ON THE FIELD because he was up against more prolific offenses?
Thanks for proving my point.Edge: Cougsndawg's analysis.
Cougsndawgs:Teams put their best players on the field. If Jackson
saw less time, it was because he was an inferior Safety. Jackson didn't
even play in the last 5 games of Nebraska's season. And he wasn't
injured.Nebraska may have held their opponents to 53 fewer
yards/game, but that's likely because they didn't face as prolific an
offense as the one's Utah had faced. Just look at the UCLA game -- our
only common opponent. Nebraska held them to 294-yds passing, whereas Utah held
them to 218; or 76 FEWER yards passing. UCLA also put up 504 total yds, and
41-pts, whereas Utah again fared better by holding them to 100 fewer total
yards, and 7 fewer points. Simply put, Utah faced more "Hundleys" than
Nebraska did.And since I DIDN'T suggest Rowe was on the field
more because we faced more prolific offenses, I then did NOT prove your point.
Rowe spent more time on the field because he was one of our best Safeties, and
coaches like to put their best players on the field for as much time as