Thus ends Free speech in America, This man did nothing wrong he made a donation
to a campaign. He did not force his views on people in the work place. These
things that happened to this man are the same fascist tactics used to silence
opposition. If the Gay community were really all about tolerance and acceptance
then this man would still be the CEO. Sadly it is not so They are only tolerant
if you share their view.
This show just how tolerant the political left really is.They hounded Mr.
Eich until he left. This isn't just discrimination it is persecution.We know that a people is ripening in iniquity when they cast the
righteous out from among them.
Employers frequently review the credit ratings of potential employees, what
employees say on their Facebook pages can have negative effects on their
employment.How is this any different?If conservatives
and those offended by what happened to Eich seek to establish legal boundaries
between personal lives and employment, we've got a long way to go, with
attendant cries of liberties lost by employers.
Scott Lively; the American religious wacko -- who is claiming to be behind
Uganda and Russia’s homophobia and American evangelical extremists Tony
Perkins and Peter Sprigg -- should be thrown into jail for perpetrating hate
crimes against the gay community!Scott Lively is perhaps directly
responsible; for suicides within and violence against -- the gay community! His
evil; based on a fictional religious cult is beyond words --!
Einstein stated in a letter recently auctioned that the bible was a collection
of primitive legends. He said believing in God was childish and he as a Jew is
no different than another person and not chosen by God.
Van Spakovsky said, "The people who were pushing for Brendan Eich to be
fired, they clearly want to put in a standard of conformity ... " No we aren't pushing for conformity. We want a society where people can
have their views, but individuals will be held accountable for acting on views
that diminish others or discriminate or harm others. There always
will be people who don't agree with marriage equality, or same-sex
marriage. So what? There are still people who hate blacks, too. We simply
cannot legislate thoughts and beliefs. BUT, we know that Prop8 was not only
immoral and deliberately harmful, it was also unconstitutional. Committing
harmful acts and funding the people who harm others will not be tolerated.
Believe what you want, but your actions will be scrutinized to ensure a better
Being left-handed – being black or being gay is just as natural. It is a
sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart
and be loved in return ... it is something that should be celebrated! If it is
love between two guys or two girls … all the better … it takes even
more courage to defend that LOVE!
Tony Perkins and his The Family Research Council's opposition to gay rights
have landed the outfit onto a list of "hate groups,” like the KKK.
Christian colleges should be classified as hate groups and shut down. UK Prime
Minister Cameron is facing the issue of religious extremism; as we speak …
regarding homophobia -- being taught to children at churches and schools.
Campaign finance laws will have to be re-written to keep donations secret. It
will be the only way to protect donors from punitive tactics that force their
views on others.
libs and tolerance are like peanut butter and jam. epitome of pc gone mad.
Most disurbing that this kind of corporate extortion becomes the norm. Recently
it played out in Arizona in such a flagrant and deplorable way. There have been
other examples where the strident activists shouting slogans about
"freedom" and "rights" for themselves demonstrate that what they
demand for themselves cannot be permitted for any who oppose their ideas, and
merits a punitive response. The height of hypocrisy is found in this
discrimination and intolerance that professes to be based in inclusive love and
universal tolerance. No longer satisfied with "live and let live", the
destructive intent is now revealed. Resistance is futile.
Mr. Eich left on his own volition. Nobody forced him out. People opposing him
were exercising THEIR 1st Amendment rights. Should they be silenced?
Several commenters semm to forget that upholding your own beliefs does not mean
you necessarily denigrate people who believe otherwise. I believe in God but I
don't hate those who don't. In this case, a man donated to an
organization he believed in---Opinions differ--hate doesn't have to become
This is not about "public scrutiny" but about the willingness of the
left to employ bullying tactics to not just intimidate, but to destroy any and
all who disagree with them.It is a cynical and hypocritical epitome
of "tolerance for me, but not for thee" which is a hallmark of the
liberals.If Mr. Eich had contributed the same amount of money to a
pro-homosexual cause and anyone attacked him like this, he would instantly be
defended by the news media, politicians and celebrities, and also by
conservatives.The Alinsky tactic to "Pick the target, freeze it,
personalize it, and polarize it." is effective. Even when it distorts the
truth and tramples on our freedom of speech.The Mafia-like tactics
of the militant homosexual activists must not be tolerated. Their one way
version of "tolerance" must be rejected, condemned and repealed.Otherwise, we have reached George Orwell's era where "All
animals are equal, but some animals are more equal."
Oh, please. Freedom of speech is not dead... but we apparently have a large
segment of society that believes there should be no accountability for
one's words (depending on the issue, of course).When the bottom
line performance and marketshare of Mozilla became an issue because of
Eich's speech, the Board and/or Eich exercised accountability. This is
Business 101 - what is more important, defending the views of one employee, or
the economic health of the company?It may be that Eich and those who
view things as he does feel picked on, but if the other side did not have a
majority of the public's backing, they wouldn't be losing this PR war
now, and they wouldn't be called to account for their previous speech.Social understandings change and evolve. Oh, and "freedom
"Does Mozilla CEO ousting portend new era of public scrutiny?"I doubt it.Pressure groups have been able to influence corporate
actions for quite some time.They just have to be organized and
committed. It helps if they're "loud and proud" too.Ralph Nader was able to stop production of the Corvair over 40 years ago.And the LGBT community was able to get this ex-Mozilla honcho
terminated.Nothing new there.
Here's a list of some companies conservatives have called for and launched
boycotts against:Girl Scouts (cookies)Delta Air LinesCoca ColaHome DepotIntercontinental HotelsUPSNabisco
(Ritz crackers)DisneyProcter and GambleFord Levi
StraussMcDonaldsWorldVisionto name but a few....
Way back the NAACP was pressured to disclose it's' donors so that
their people could face the same discrimination.
@MACDONALDBANKI noticed that your first comment has only one like.
Your other three comments don't have any. Did you forget to "like"
your last three comments?I am sorry to see that you have reached
your limit of 4 comments. I found them most entertaining.Einstein
was very smart when it came to physics. He was old but I don't think he was
around when the Bible was written. If you accurately stated his opinion then it
is just that, an opinion. I can quote all kinds of really smart people saying
stupid things. Obama once said that he had visited 57 states and only had two
more to visit (they wouldn't let him go to Hawaii).I have also
learned that all it takes to be guilty of hate speech is to say something that
liberals hate, especially if they cannot refute it. They really hate that.
Liberal Big Brother is watching and listening....the first amendment is almost
In 2008 even Obama shared the same point of view as the CEO of Mozilla! This
has set gay rights back for me......no longer will I be as tolerant as I once
The basic truth of the Louis Brandeis paraphrase, "the remedy for bad speech
is more speech," applies here as it does so well elsewhere. Eich is as free today as he was in 2008 to express his opinion with words or
donations. And like all of us, he remains encumbered by the consequences of his
speech. One potential consequence we all face is that someone may consider our
speech to be "bad" and respond with "more". In the commercial
context "more speech" often comes in the form of boycotts or public
critiques.Mozilla's Board chose a CEO who made what some folks
consider to be "bad" speech. If Mozilla was competing for FORTRAN
programmers or was a buggy-whip manufacturer, it is unlikely the criticism of
its choice of Eich and his Prop8 donation would cause the Board to reconsider.
But the tech-savvy customers and talent Mozilla needs to compete tend to be
supportive of LGBT rights. By law, the Board is obligated to act in the best
interest of the shareholders, and if keeping Eich will hurt the bottom-line,
they had little choice to part ways.Think Eich uproar is
"bad" speech? Just add "more" speech.
A couple of thoughts about this sad occurrence of a man loosing his job because
of a political or religious view. First, people of a moral conscience will cease
to use or support Mozilla. Second, as the so-called "human rights"
community continues to use their influence to destroy peoples lives in support
of the gay agenda it is apparent that people of a moral conscience will simply
become more subtle and quiet in support of traditional marriage. I foresee a
backlash toward those who seek to invalidate the rights of people of a moral
People are outraged that Brandon Eich's was fired...In the last
six months:Michael Griffin was fired from his teaching position for
making plans to marry his partner. Ken Bencoma taught for 17 years,
married his partner and was fired. Kristen Ostendorf taught 18
years, was fired for admitting she is Lesbian. Al Fischer taught 4
years, fired for making wedding plans. After teaching 18 years,
Carla Hale was fired when her mother's obituary mentioned her partner. Tippi McCullough got married and was fired, had been at the school 15
years and had 29 years teaching experience Vice Principle Mark Zuma
was fired for planning his wedding. The fact of the matter is
Eich's donation helped perpetuate the abuse of these teachers. if
you're outraged about Brandon Eich being fired but you're not outraged
over the treatment of these teachers then you're crying crocodile tears.
To: MACDONALDBANKLos Angleles, CAYou stated "Being
left-handed – being black or being gay is just as natural". Ummmm....
not so fast there. Many studies including eight studies that looked at the
sexual orientation of twins found that only a small percent of the twins shared
in same sex attraction traits. These and other studies totally contradict your
assertion. There is absolutely no scientific proof that being gay is natural!.
Gays have legal protections for their jobs.This man didn't.Liberal equality, what a joke!
Suppose this guy had given money to a group which not only spoused gay arraign,
nut fought against traditional marriage? Does anyone suppose we would be hearing
the shrill cries of discrimination or bigotry that seem so loud now?
Raytheist said, "We want a society where people can have their views, but
individuals will be held accountable for acting on views that diminish others or
discriminate or harm others."So well said.I think
what is really behind the vitriol here is the growing realization that we will
now be held accountable for beliefs that once got a pass. "Religious
freedom" has been used to protect the unjust and destructive beliefs
surrounding homosexuality and, worse, to wrap them in a cloak of morality. It
was politically correct to respect someone's religious beliefs simply
because they were religious in nature.Now this privilege is being
challenged and so we hear the cries of "persecution." No. We still get
to believe what we want about homosexuals, but society is now requiring a higher
standard of justification for the beliefs. "Deeply held beliefs"
isn't enough to gain someone a pass to harm others. THIS is moral.
To: Dadof5sonsSir, while you appropriately sound an alarm in stating
"Thus ends Free speech in America". At the same time there are many
millions of us Americans who still believe we have a right to free speech!. We
will use our right to stand for morality and decency till the bitter end. Maybe
this battle was lost (that happens), but the war is far from over. We just need
to be a little smarter in how we fight the good battle - there are subtle but
effective ways to succeed!
I truly cannot figure out whether conservatives are being insincere in their
"liberals are not tolerant" rants or whether they honestly fail to grasp
a rather simple concept. No one is claiming this man should not
have the right to say what he wants (ie donate to causes he believes in) and no
one is saying he cannot worship how, where, or what he may. There is no First
Amendment issue at play; in fact, there are no civili liberties being infringed
at all. Rather, what is happening is the market is responding to his
efforts to usurp the rights of others. Whether you agree with SSM or not, when
he donated his $1K to Prop 8, gay marriage was the law of the land in
California. So, he was literally voicing an opinion advocating for the removal
of peoples' rights. We will tolerate him living his life as he sees fit
but we will not tolerate intolerance. He was not merely living his life (which
we completely tolerate), he proactively fought to marginalize a group of
Californians. He was meddling in others' business and is now paying the
price according to the dictates of the market.
Raytheist: "we know that Prop8 was not only immoral and deliberately
harmful, it was also unconstitutional. " Prop 8 was moral, not
immoral. Same sex "marriage" is immoral. God said so.And
prop 8 was a CA constitutional amendment, and when you change the constitution,
by definition, it is constitutional. As for the US constitution, it
says nothing about same sex "marriage" and the founders, to a person,
would have been horrified if they knew that the constitution they wrote would be
interpreted that way. We are now living in George Orwell's
1984, where the Thought Police rule. Isaiah said, Wo unto them that
call evil good, and good evil. (Isaiah 5:20) Isaiah obviously saw our day.
Hey The Rock -"This show just how tolerant the political left
really is."The political left? Most gays are Right Wingers
still hiding in the closet, many of them hypocritically spouting about how evil
homosexuals and the political left are.Larry Craig and the Reverend
Ted Haggard are not exceptions to the rule.It's just that most
"Conservatives" don't have the courage to make their gayness
known.But there are exceptions . . . like gayrepubilicans . org.Check them out.
@I know it. I Live it. I Love it: "Gays have legal protections for their
jobs.This man didn't."Ummm... Not really. In 29
states there are no laws protecting gays from being fired, and 33 states
don't protect workers based on gender identity.See my list,
above, of teachers who were fired in the last few months for being gay or for
getting married or planning on getting married. That is only teachers, and only
stories on the first two pages of Google - it didn't include hundreds of
others I've been reading about. Meanwhile, I searched, and as far as I can
tell, Mr Eich is a lone individual fired for supporting anti-gay political
groups. If you're upset about Eich and not those teachers
you're crying crocodile tears.
Brendan Eich should move to Utah. We have our own silicon valley and we
don't fire people for having good values.
The LDS Church's stated policy on political neutrality includes this:"General Authorities and general officers of the Church and their
spouses and other ecclesiastical leaders serving full-time should not personally
participate in political campaigns, including promoting candidates, fundraising,
speaking in behalf of or otherwise endorsing candidates, and making financial
contributions."Why are Church authorities instructed/discouraged
from making political contributions?The CEO is the face of the
organization. Some employees and customers could choose to and did overlook his
personal views. Others couldn't and didn't. It is part of living in
a free society. We should always strive for truth and facts. Personally, for
me I would not change my browser as long as Mozilla didn't have policies in
place which harm LGBT employees or customers. But i also respect those who
would make a different choice. (The New York Times and Reuters does
a better job of dissecting and reporting on this issue.)
Stormwalker, Let's take a look at the teachers who you listed that were
terminated.Vice Principal Mark Zmuda - Terminated by a Catholic
parochial school. Tippi McCullough - Terminated by a Catholic parochial
school. Carla Hale - Terminated by a Catholic parochial school. Al
Fischer - Terminated by a Catholic parochial school. Kristen Ostendorf -
Terminated by a Catholic parochial school.Ken Bencoma - Terminated by a
Catholic parochial school. Michael Griffin - Terminated by a Catholic
parochial school. Do you see a theme here? The Catholic Church
teaches that homosexual conduct is a sin. In what alternate universe is it
reasonable for a Catholic Church school to employ people who are engaged in what
the church teaches is immoral behavior? In this reality, Churches are legally
allowed to enforce their moral standards on employees. The Mozilla
Foundation is a 501c(3) organization, non-profit, that claims that "Mozilla
believes both in equality and freedom of speech." Well, it appears that if
you a religious person that believes that homosexual conduct is a sin.
Mozilla's commitment to freedom of speech doesn't extend to you if you
publically oppose sin.
OK, I supported prop 8 in California. Who of you will condemn me for so saying?
If defenders of traditional marriage are becoming fearful of mob action, you
haven't seen anything yet. Mormons, prepare for the militant pervs to come
@anotherviewProtesting and boycotting are exercising free speech.Demanding someone be fired because they do not proscribed to some
required or expected view is bullying and fascist...it is mcarthyism.If there is no diversity of thoughts and views allowed in the public square
there is only controlled thought, there is only tyranny, and certainly no
freedom, No freedom of expression, no freedom conscience and belief. The left here is telling us you must think a certainly way a way a way they
approve of and find acceptable, a Politically Correct way (communist
terminology, PC has communist origins), or you are not allowed to function in
and be a part of society, their society.That is not diversity nor
tolerance. NO matter how much you disagree with, even despise, another's
I am as appalled as anyone at Mozilla's bigoted action of forcing this man
out but I am equally appalled at those shallow minded commentators who want to
blame the Democrats. Let individuals come forth as individuals and state their
views. I won't be using Mozilla any more..
The writer appears to be framing this as a political issue (rather than a moral
issue) in this particular piece, but I think it is a moral issue. A
minority of people (including Eich) think same-sex marriage is immoral while the
majority of people believe that excluding LGBT people from marriage (and even
the wordsmithed notion of "traditional marriage") is immoral. Mozilla
wants the majority of consumers to patronize its business. People
have always patronized businesses that comport with their moral beliefs and not
patronized businesses that do not; and this is no different.
@RG"Prop 8 was moral, not immoral. Same sex "marriage"
is immoral. God said so."Please cite exactly where (the
scripture please) God said that "same sex marriage is immoral".
Christian religions do not even agree that God thinks this.
Keep up the oppression against those whose opinions and values differ from yours
and eventually it is going to lead to people dying. People will only be
oppressed for so long before they push back.
I have no problem with same sex marriage, and do believe that those that fought
against same sex marriage in California did attempt to discriminate against gay
people by forcing their religious beliefs on the.Having said that, I
totally disagree with someone having to lose their job by wasting a cool
thousand on attempting to fight others freedom to SSM. He did not commit any
crime and his contribution and losing that money was sufficient punishment. Kind
of like its own special tax!
@J in AZ;If you do a bit MORE research, you'll find that these
schools were AWARE of the sexuality of the teacher. One even took his partner
to administration parties. It wasn't until he made plans to marry his
partner that he was fired. For the most part, the schools were already
perfectly aware and chose to do nothing.Does the first
amendment's guarantee of free speech over-ride the 14th amendments
guarantee of equal treatment under the law? If you're using your speech
(money) to violate the rights of others, you are violating other clauses of the
Constitution. Cry me your crocodile tears, no kleenex for you.
I think the timing of this outrageous act by Mozilla could be fortuitous. As
the courts consider states rights with regards to restricting SSM, they very
well might view the infringement on Mr. Eich's free speech rights over the
top. The Supreme Court in particular in recent years has put a pretty high
premium in defense of free speech rights. I foresee this will backfire in the
face of the gay agenda over time. Now is as good time for folks of a
moral conscience to speak up in defense of your free speech rights and say how
you feel about the moral decline in America that is mightily driven by the gay
To lead, you must have the confidence of those under you.By refusing
to say that Prop 8 was wrong, Eich separated himself from the vast majority of
his employees and customers. (not just a few Gay protesters)Even if
you believe Prop 8 was right -- would you want to work for a man who
contributed, say, to a campaign to take the tax exemption from the lds church?
Would you enjoy being his customer?By California standards, he had
to go, and should have left the first day.In Utah, where most of the
money for Prop 8 originated, that might be hard to understand.
So Raytheistyou say you are not trying to push conformity but " want
a society where people can have their views, but individuals will be held
accountable for acting on views that diminish others or discriminate or harm
others. "by your own logic those that pushed out Eich as CEO of
Mozilla because he didn't conform to their view and values should be held
accountable for being intolerant; their behavior was harmful and
discriminatory. What they did was wrong no matter how you try to justify it. the definition of hypocrisy is saying one thing is wrong but doing that
very same thing justifying it as OK for you to do it but not for other. What
you are saying is its OK to have an opinion as long as its the same as yours, if
not you will push to get others fired when they don't agree with you.
Karen R. Your argument is flawed in so many ways.You stated "Deeply
held beliefs" isn't enough to gain someone a pass to harm others."
By your own words you are condemned.You and those in
Mozzila with deeply held beliefs that SSM is OK should Not get a pass for
harming this man for holding values and beliefs different from your own. You should look up the definition of hypocrisy.
This shouldn't be a conservative vs. Liberal thing. This is all about a
person's constitutionally guaranteed right to think and believe as he
desires. All people, regardless of religious, political, ethnic, and other
persuasions should be shaking in their boots at the intolerance of the
homosexual community and their scorched earth policy. If this keeps up, no one
will dare utter anything that is perceived by them as derogatory. Frankly, no
one that doesn't agree with them will be able to express their opinion.
They will be slandered, put in jail, persecuted for hate crimes, protested
against just for expressing an opinion or contributing to a cause they believe
in. Can't wait until these creeps start protesting outside of the
Conference Center. Boy oh boy, why won't be happy with a lot of what was
No the end of free speech began with the Citizens United decision, reenforced by
the new McCutcheon verdict.Free speech is now pay to play.
RanchHand - You may in turn want to consider that the Hosanna-Tabor v. EEOC
decision giving churches and church sponsored organizations the absolute right
to terminate employees who do not support the teachings of the church was only
handed down in 2012. Before that time the law was not settled. The terminations
in question all came after Hosanna-Tabor was handed down. So, we have to
consider the possibility that risk managers prevented terminations from fear of
litigation. On the other hand, perhaps the relevant dioceses finally decided to
cowboy up and start standing for the doctrines that they teach. Either way works
for me.Neither the First or Fourteenth Amendment apply to either the
various catholic schools or the Mozilla Foundation because they are both private
entities. What is at issue is the failure of the Mozilla Foundation to uphold
it's professed values of diversity, presumably of both people and belief
systems although we've seen the lie in that, and freedom of speech, which
apparently only holds if your speech agrees with the right clique.
The new era of public scrutiny started with an outcry that got the dude from
'duck dynasty' his job back.
FlashbackKearns, UT"This shouldn't be a conservative vs.
Liberal thing. This is all about a person's constitutionally guaranteed
right to think and believe as he desires. All people, regardless of religious,
political, ethnic, and other persuasions should be shaking in their boots at the
intolerance of the homosexual community and their scorched earth policy."--- Remember that Jesus told us to walk in the other person's
sandals.Believing is a right. Contributing to a cause that is deeply
hurtful to many members of your community at work and your customers has
consequences.Gay people think lds have a right to believe in Prop 8,
but they mostly want to have nothing to do with any mormons, including doing
business with them, until the day comes that they apologize for Prop 8 and the
huge damage that it did.Have you ever thought how many children in
California were bullied in school or hurt themselves -- or were thrown out by
parents -- because the mormon sponsored Prop 8 commercials portrayed Gays as
evildoers who want to control children?Actions have consequences.
Beliefs are not actions.
Stormwalker,The quantity of firings is irrelevant to this. 20 years
ago, more gays would be fired. 20 years from now, it will be the opposite. You
failed to honor the point I made... which is that gays aren't extending the
same tolerance they demand and bully of others.I don't really
care about the law. Laws are powerless without people. I care about what the
masses believe and do. I care about how we treat others. I don't believe in
mistreating gays. But I also don't believe in mistreating people with
diverse political opinions.All we want is to respect this man and
liberals can't manage to agree on that point. That's pretty horrible.
It reflects how serious this problem is.
California law explicitly prohibits people from being disciplined or terminated
at work because of their political beliefs or actions taken in furtherance of
those beliefs. Eich has grounds to sue and he should. I live in the middle of
Silicon Valley and see the hypocritical actions of the left on a regular
basis.You Utahns just don't get it. My civil rights have been
violated here multiple times. My home has been vandalized and my cars defaced.
I've had hate mail and seen my neighbors attacked. Why did this happen?
We put signs in our yard in support of a political position. It wasn't
even Proposition 8. My "offense" is that I'm a Republican.When I started living here, I had no real opinion about the homosexual
community. Having lived in their midst, I now do.
@Flashback;You can believe whatever you want. Your beliefs
don't get you a pass for violating the rights of others.@J in
AZ;Do you understand hypocrisy? These Catholic schools were 100%
aware of the sexual orientation of these teachers. They even allowed at least
one of these teachers to bring his partner to school sponsored events. Were
they following their rules to allow this? Why was it only after these people
started making plans to marry that they were fired for "not following the
rules"? That is hypocrisy.
This man donated private funds and expressed his view privately, not using
Mozilla as a platform to express his views. Whether you agree with his stance or
not, this smacks of a witch hunt and a latter day McCarthyism!
I'm surprised to see so many conservative posters against free
enterprise.Eich was an "at-will" employee which means his
employer can fire him for any (legal) reason. Although California law has more
protections against unjust dismissal (than Utah), I'm sure Eich signed
releases and was paid a lot of money when discharged. Do conservatives have a
problem with that? His employer calculated that they would be more
profitable without him as an employee so they dismissed him. Do conservatives
now have a problem with companies shedding at-will employees in an effort to
become more profitable?People vote with their pocketbooks (do
conservatives now have a problem with that?) and this is what the firing is
about. Calling liberals (or anybody for that matter) hypocrites for voting with
their pocketbooks is ridiculous. Liberals did not "force him out." His
dismissal was the direct result of economic reality (free enterprise) being
exercised.If conservatives really have a problem with Eich's
dismissal, then you should call for stronger laws in Utah to protect employees.
Somehow I don't think we will see that.
It's amazing how bullying the gay lobby is. They are so insecure about who
they really are that it becomes all about fear and intimidation rather than
RanchHand - Yes, I do understand hypocrisy. It was an act of hypocrisy for those
catholic schools and diocese to continue to employ those individuals after it
became clear that their lives were not in harmony with the moral doctrines of
the church. It would have been an even greater hypocrisy to continue to employ
them after they came out in open rebellion against the teachings of the church
I asked this in response to a different article about the same subject and
I'll ask it again here. How was Mr. Eich's freedom of speech taken
away from him? I'm serious, explain it to me. As far as I can tell Mr. Eich
is still free to donate as much money as he wants to any cause he wants. Mozilla may have pressured him to leave but they have every right to do
that as well. The people that run that company have a right to run it the way
they see fit. So again, how was Mr. Eich's freedom of speech
taken from him? You may not agree with Mozilla's actions but they had a
right to do what they did. Do you know how I can tell people like Mr. Eich or
Phil Robertson still have all the free speech they did before? Because they can
still say whatever they want.
@ 1 VoiceFor an excellent comment on hypocrisy, I refer you to the
typically astute observation of "glendenbg" on page 3 of the comments to
"In Our Opinion: Mozilla Makes a Mockery of Diversity and Freedom."
Incidents like this will happen more and more. Before too much longer, they
will not even be news-worthy. The LGBT and the far left have done a masterful
PR job in equating those who support traditional marriage with "bigots".
When you label and demonize a group, they no longer appear human, and then the
majority can discriminate without feeling guilty.Funny, that is what
happened to the LGBT for so long. Now, they are turning the tables in
retribution. It is sad how a group that fought so hard for "equal
rights" now sees no problem in denying those same rights to those they
disagree with. You can see this plainly on this comment board.There
are ways we can all live together, but then "tolerance" does not mean
that to the left. By their actions, "tolerance" should be replaced with
"eradication". The left is only tolerant of those who agree with
them.This life is temporary. I believe there is much more for us
after this life. Those who treated the fellow people badly in this life will be
accountable for it....
This really isn't about free speech. This is about people visiting with
their dollars and their feet. The CEO became a liability, which is THE capital
crime of a CEO. You can flounder around and blame whoever you like, but the
reality is that the board made an economic decision based on their perception of
@J in AZ, you are right--all of those people did teach in Catholic schools. And
yes, the Catholic church's official position is that same sex marriage is
not allowed. But those same Catholic schools hire--and retain---people who are
divorced and remarried. And they get a bit flustered when you bring up that
this is equally sinful in their church's eyes. Just like the letter
writers here avoid the questions of why they denounce the "sin" of
homosexuality while glossing over the equal "sin" of eating shellfish.
@RedWings--you wrote "I believe there is much more for us after this life.
Those who treated the fellow people badly in this life will be accountable for
it".This must mean you have seen the light and now regret your
support for Amendment 3!
Laura:I never agreed with the ban on civil unions. To me,
"marriage" is a religious covenant and is not for government to
sanction. "Civil union" is just that - a union sanctioned by civil
authority. If government got out of the marriage business and issued civil
union licenses, all of the debate, arguments, and issues around thei go away.
Everyone's rights are protected. No one group should trample
the rights of others. I heard this from the LGBT and far left for years, and
now they have become what they argued against. I have no sympathy for that...
Laura from beautiful Maple Valley: Certainly let's be ethically consistent.
Catholic educators who have remarried after a divorce, and have not been given
an annulment of the previous marriage by the appropriate church authority,
should not be teaching in a catholic parochial school. The failure to hold to
that standard is an inconsistency that individual diocesan leaders should
address. As for the dichotomy between eating shellfish as a sin and sexual sin
consider Acts 15 where the apostles determined that gentile converts to the
church were not required to obey the dietary codes of the Law of Moses. They did
not, however, free the saints from the requirement to avoid sexual sins.
@RedWings"The LGBT and the far left have done a masterful PR job in
equating those who support traditional marriage with "bigots"."I'm pretty sure that a lot of you who are familiar with my posting
here would be surprised to know that I myself also believe that God only
recognizes marriage between a man and a woman. The key difference is that I
don't try to make others have to conform to that view by trying to ban
anyone from having a same-sex marriage.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. Surprised so many
people don't understand that.
You know what, when it's no longer possible to be fired simply for being
gay, then you can complain about this topic. Until then, I am not interested.
A few questions I don't quite get about this story: 1. This
doesn't seem like the type of issue that should make someone disqualified
to run a company that creates a popular web-browser. 2. Just because
someone holds opinions you disagree with doesn't mean they are dismissable
if they do their job. What specific actions rendered him unfit for his job? 3. And did he receive any warnings about specific behaviors?4. Why just the CEO, or does Firefox have a policy now company-wide that if
someone expresses an unpopular opinion, will they likewise lose their job?
And this is why I do not support SSM for the time being!
I wonder where these so-called defenders of "Free Speech" are when
someone is fired for donating to the American Nazi Party, KKK, or Pro-Gay
causes?Be consistant, Show some integrity.
Lets see, in California (and I'm sure in other states too), there is a
California law requiring the release of donors names to California ballot
propositions. I recall the threshold being about 100 bucks. This is all in the
name of election ballot initiative transparency. This is not the first time
there has been public backlash against Prop 8 donors. I recall a Daughter of an
owner of a Mexican Restaurant in Hollywood made a small contribution supporting
prop 8. The Restaurant's Gay clientelle organized a boycott of the eatery.
The Restaurant nearly went under. I think the family barred the daughter from
working there since then. I'm sure there is some lesson here for all.
Namely, the need to avoid public controversy if one is in the public eye.
Our country has no cultural norms, America is disintegrating.
I find it helpful to switch Mozilla with Duck Dynasty & Chick-Fil-A. Those
same people who are outraged that pressure was placed on Mozilla for his choice,
are quite zealous in their support of Chick-Fil-A and Ducky Dynasty's
choices.It is quite hypocritical to say making anti-gay comments are
protected and should be respected, but when it goes the other way, it is being