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  • Dadof5sons Montesano, WA
    April 5, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    Thus ends Free speech in America, This man did nothing wrong he made a donation to a campaign. He did not force his views on people in the work place. These things that happened to this man are the same fascist tactics used to silence opposition. If the Gay community were really all about tolerance and acceptance then this man would still be the CEO. Sadly it is not so They are only tolerant if you share their view.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    April 5, 2014 9:14 a.m.

    This show just how tolerant the political left really is.
    They hounded Mr. Eich until he left. This isn't just discrimination it is persecution.

    We know that a people is ripening in iniquity when they cast the righteous out from among them.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    April 5, 2014 9:15 a.m.

    Employers frequently review the credit ratings of potential employees, what employees say on their Facebook pages can have negative effects on their employment.

    How is this any different?

    If conservatives and those offended by what happened to Eich seek to establish legal boundaries between personal lives and employment, we've got a long way to go, with attendant cries of liberties lost by employers.

  • MACDONALDBANK Los Angleles, CA
    April 5, 2014 9:23 a.m.

    Scott Lively; the American religious wacko -- who is claiming to be behind Uganda and Russia’s homophobia and American evangelical extremists Tony Perkins and Peter Sprigg -- should be thrown into jail for perpetrating hate crimes against the gay community!
    Scott Lively is perhaps directly responsible; for suicides within and violence against -- the gay community! His evil; based on a fictional religious cult is beyond words --!

  • MACDONALDBANK Los Angleles, CA
    April 5, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    Einstein stated in a letter recently auctioned that the bible was a collection of primitive legends. He said believing in God was childish and he as a Jew is no different than another person and not chosen by God.

  • Raytheist Houston, TX
    April 5, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    Van Spakovsky said, "The people who were pushing for Brendan Eich to be fired, they clearly want to put in a standard of conformity ... "

    No we aren't pushing for conformity. We want a society where people can have their views, but individuals will be held accountable for acting on views that diminish others or discriminate or harm others.

    There always will be people who don't agree with marriage equality, or same-sex marriage. So what? There are still people who hate blacks, too. We simply cannot legislate thoughts and beliefs. BUT, we know that Prop8 was not only immoral and deliberately harmful, it was also unconstitutional. Committing harmful acts and funding the people who harm others will not be tolerated. Believe what you want, but your actions will be scrutinized to ensure a better society.

  • MACDONALDBANK Los Angleles, CA
    April 5, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    Being left-handed – being black or being gay is just as natural. It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return ... it is something that should be celebrated! If it is love between two guys or two girls … all the better … it takes even more courage to defend that LOVE!

  • MACDONALDBANK Los Angleles, CA
    April 5, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    Tony Perkins and his The Family Research Council's opposition to gay rights have landed the outfit onto a list of "hate groups,” like the KKK. Christian colleges should be classified as hate groups and shut down. UK Prime Minister Cameron is facing the issue of religious extremism; as we speak … regarding homophobia -- being taught to children at churches and schools.

  • Sal Provo, UT
    April 5, 2014 9:32 a.m.

    Campaign finance laws will have to be re-written to keep donations secret. It will be the only way to protect donors from punitive tactics that force their views on others.

  • boneheaded, but not a smidgen SLC, UT
    April 5, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    libs and tolerance are like peanut butter and jam. epitome of pc gone mad.

  • Jim Cobabe Provo, UT
    April 5, 2014 9:47 a.m.

    Most disurbing that this kind of corporate extortion becomes the norm. Recently it played out in Arizona in such a flagrant and deplorable way. There have been other examples where the strident activists shouting slogans about "freedom" and "rights" for themselves demonstrate that what they demand for themselves cannot be permitted for any who oppose their ideas, and merits a punitive response. The height of hypocrisy is found in this discrimination and intolerance that professes to be based in inclusive love and universal tolerance. No longer satisfied with "live and let live", the destructive intent is now revealed. Resistance is futile.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    April 5, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    Mr. Eich left on his own volition. Nobody forced him out. People opposing him were exercising THEIR 1st Amendment rights. Should they be silenced?

  • annmac joliet, IL
    April 5, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    Several commenters semm to forget that upholding your own beliefs does not mean you necessarily denigrate people who believe otherwise. I believe in God but I don't hate those who don't. In this case, a man donated to an organization he believed in---Opinions differ--hate doesn't have to become a factor.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 5, 2014 10:23 a.m.

    This is not about "public scrutiny" but about the willingness of the left to employ bullying tactics to not just intimidate, but to destroy any and all who disagree with them.

    It is a cynical and hypocritical epitome of "tolerance for me, but not for thee" which is a hallmark of the liberals.

    If Mr. Eich had contributed the same amount of money to a pro-homosexual cause and anyone attacked him like this, he would instantly be defended by the news media, politicians and celebrities, and also by conservatives.

    The Alinsky tactic to "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." is effective. Even when it distorts the truth and tramples on our freedom of speech.

    The Mafia-like tactics of the militant homosexual activists must not be tolerated. Their one way version of "tolerance" must be rejected, condemned and repealed.

    Otherwise, we have reached George Orwell's era where "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal."

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    April 5, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    Oh, please. Freedom of speech is not dead... but we apparently have a large segment of society that believes there should be no accountability for one's words (depending on the issue, of course).

    When the bottom line performance and marketshare of Mozilla became an issue because of Eich's speech, the Board and/or Eich exercised accountability. This is Business 101 - what is more important, defending the views of one employee, or the economic health of the company?

    It may be that Eich and those who view things as he does feel picked on, but if the other side did not have a majority of the public's backing, they wouldn't be losing this PR war now, and they wouldn't be called to account for their previous speech.

    Social understandings change and evolve. Oh, and "freedom isn't free".

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 5, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    "Does Mozilla CEO ousting portend new era of public scrutiny?"

    I doubt it.

    Pressure groups have been able to influence corporate actions for quite some time.

    They just have to be organized and committed. It helps if they're "loud and proud" too.

    Ralph Nader was able to stop production of the Corvair over 40 years ago.

    And the LGBT community was able to get this ex-Mozilla honcho terminated.

    Nothing new there.

  • anotherview SLO, CA
    April 5, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    Here's a list of some companies conservatives have called for and launched boycotts against:

    Girl Scouts (cookies)
    Delta Air Lines
    Coca Cola
    Home Depot
    Intercontinental Hotels
    UPS
    Nabisco (Ritz crackers)
    Disney
    Procter and Gamble
    Ford
    Levi Strauss
    McDonalds
    WorldVision

    to name but a few....

  • Kathy. Iowa, Iowa
    April 5, 2014 10:55 a.m.

    Way back the NAACP was pressured to disclose it's' donors so that their people could face the same discrimination.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    April 5, 2014 11:12 a.m.

    @MACDONALDBANK

    I noticed that your first comment has only one like. Your other three comments don't have any. Did you forget to "like" your last three comments?

    I am sorry to see that you have reached your limit of 4 comments. I found them most entertaining.

    Einstein was very smart when it came to physics. He was old but I don't think he was around when the Bible was written. If you accurately stated his opinion then it is just that, an opinion. I can quote all kinds of really smart people saying stupid things. Obama once said that he had visited 57 states and only had two more to visit (they wouldn't let him go to Hawaii).

    I have also learned that all it takes to be guilty of hate speech is to say something that liberals hate, especially if they cannot refute it. They really hate that.

  • firstamendment Lehi, UT
    April 5, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    Liberal Big Brother is watching and listening....the first amendment is almost gone.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2014 11:56 a.m.

    In 2008 even Obama shared the same point of view as the CEO of Mozilla! This has set gay rights back for me......no longer will I be as tolerant as I once was!:

  • Stephen Daedalus Arvada, CO
    April 5, 2014 12:20 p.m.

    The basic truth of the Louis Brandeis paraphrase, "the remedy for bad speech is more speech," applies here as it does so well elsewhere.

    Eich is as free today as he was in 2008 to express his opinion with words or donations. And like all of us, he remains encumbered by the consequences of his speech. One potential consequence we all face is that someone may consider our speech to be "bad" and respond with "more". In the commercial context "more speech" often comes in the form of boycotts or public critiques.

    Mozilla's Board chose a CEO who made what some folks consider to be "bad" speech. If Mozilla was competing for FORTRAN programmers or was a buggy-whip manufacturer, it is unlikely the criticism of its choice of Eich and his Prop8 donation would cause the Board to reconsider. But the tech-savvy customers and talent Mozilla needs to compete tend to be supportive of LGBT rights. By law, the Board is obligated to act in the best interest of the shareholders, and if keeping Eich will hurt the bottom-line, they had little choice to part ways.

    Think Eich uproar is "bad" speech? Just add "more" speech.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    A couple of thoughts about this sad occurrence of a man loosing his job because of a political or religious view. First, people of a moral conscience will cease to use or support Mozilla. Second, as the so-called "human rights" community continues to use their influence to destroy peoples lives in support of the gay agenda it is apparent that people of a moral conscience will simply become more subtle and quiet in support of traditional marriage. I foresee a backlash toward those who seek to invalidate the rights of people of a moral persuasion.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    April 5, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    People are outraged that Brandon Eich's was fired...

    In the last six months:

    Michael Griffin was fired from his teaching position for making plans to marry his partner.

    Ken Bencoma taught for 17 years, married his partner and was fired.

    Kristen Ostendorf taught 18 years, was fired for admitting she is Lesbian.

    Al Fischer taught 4 years, fired for making wedding plans.

    After teaching 18 years, Carla Hale was fired when her mother's obituary mentioned her partner.

    Tippi McCullough got married and was fired, had been at the school 15 years and had 29 years teaching experience

    Vice Principle Mark Zuma was fired for planning his wedding.

    The fact of the matter is Eich's donation helped perpetuate the abuse of these teachers. if you're outraged about Brandon Eich being fired but you're not outraged over the treatment of these teachers then you're crying crocodile tears.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2014 12:29 p.m.

    To: MACDONALDBANK
    Los Angleles, CA

    You stated "Being left-handed – being black or being gay is just as natural". Ummmm.... not so fast there. Many studies including eight studies that looked at the sexual orientation of twins found that only a small percent of the twins shared in same sex attraction traits. These and other studies totally contradict your assertion. There is absolutely no scientific proof that being gay is natural!.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    April 5, 2014 12:31 p.m.

    Gays have legal protections for their jobs.
    This man didn't.

    Liberal equality, what a joke!

  • John T Scranton, PA
    April 5, 2014 12:36 p.m.

    Suppose this guy had given money to a group which not only spoused gay arraign, nut fought against traditional marriage? Does anyone suppose we would be hearing the shrill cries of discrimination or bigotry that seem so loud now? Doubtful.......Intolerance, indeed.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    April 5, 2014 12:36 p.m.

    Raytheist said, "We want a society where people can have their views, but individuals will be held accountable for acting on views that diminish others or discriminate or harm others."

    So well said.

    I think what is really behind the vitriol here is the growing realization that we will now be held accountable for beliefs that once got a pass. "Religious freedom" has been used to protect the unjust and destructive beliefs surrounding homosexuality and, worse, to wrap them in a cloak of morality. It was politically correct to respect someone's religious beliefs simply because they were religious in nature.

    Now this privilege is being challenged and so we hear the cries of "persecution." No. We still get to believe what we want about homosexuals, but society is now requiring a higher standard of justification for the beliefs. "Deeply held beliefs" isn't enough to gain someone a pass to harm others. THIS is moral.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2014 12:36 p.m.

    To: Dadof5sons

    Sir, while you appropriately sound an alarm in stating "Thus ends Free speech in America". At the same time there are many millions of us Americans who still believe we have a right to free speech!. We will use our right to stand for morality and decency till the bitter end. Maybe this battle was lost (that happens), but the war is far from over. We just need to be a little smarter in how we fight the good battle - there are subtle but effective ways to succeed!

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    April 5, 2014 12:53 p.m.

    I truly cannot figure out whether conservatives are being insincere in their "liberals are not tolerant" rants or whether they honestly fail to grasp a rather simple concept.

    No one is claiming this man should not have the right to say what he wants (ie donate to causes he believes in) and no one is saying he cannot worship how, where, or what he may. There is no First Amendment issue at play; in fact, there are no civili liberties being infringed at all.

    Rather, what is happening is the market is responding to his efforts to usurp the rights of others. Whether you agree with SSM or not, when he donated his $1K to Prop 8, gay marriage was the law of the land in California. So, he was literally voicing an opinion advocating for the removal of peoples' rights. We will tolerate him living his life as he sees fit but we will not tolerate intolerance. He was not merely living his life (which we completely tolerate), he proactively fought to marginalize a group of Californians. He was meddling in others' business and is now paying the price according to the dictates of the market.

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    April 5, 2014 1:14 p.m.

    Raytheist: "we know that Prop8 was not only immoral and deliberately harmful, it was also unconstitutional. "

    Prop 8 was moral, not immoral. Same sex "marriage" is immoral. God said so.

    And prop 8 was a CA constitutional amendment, and when you change the constitution, by definition, it is constitutional.

    As for the US constitution, it says nothing about same sex "marriage" and the founders, to a person, would have been horrified if they knew that the constitution they wrote would be interpreted that way.

    We are now living in George Orwell's 1984, where the Thought Police rule.

    Isaiah said, Wo unto them that call evil good, and good evil. (Isaiah 5:20) Isaiah obviously saw our day.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 5, 2014 2:18 p.m.

    Hey The Rock -

    "This show just how tolerant the political left really is."

    The political left? Most gays are Right Wingers still hiding in the closet, many of them hypocritically spouting about how evil homosexuals and the political left are.

    Larry Craig and the Reverend Ted Haggard are not exceptions to the rule.

    It's just that most "Conservatives" don't have the courage to make their gayness known.

    But there are exceptions . . . like gayrepubilicans . org.

    Check them out.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    April 5, 2014 2:19 p.m.

    @I know it. I Live it. I Love it: "Gays have legal protections for their jobs.
    This man didn't."

    Ummm... Not really. In 29 states there are no laws protecting gays from being fired, and 33 states don't protect workers based on gender identity.

    See my list, above, of teachers who were fired in the last few months for being gay or for getting married or planning on getting married. That is only teachers, and only stories on the first two pages of Google - it didn't include hundreds of others I've been reading about. Meanwhile, I searched, and as far as I can tell, Mr Eich is a lone individual fired for supporting anti-gay political groups.

    If you're upset about Eich and not those teachers you're crying crocodile tears.

  • MormonSean Provo, UT
    April 5, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    Brendan Eich should move to Utah. We have our own silicon valley and we don't fire people for having good values.

  • anotherview SLO, CA
    April 5, 2014 3:47 p.m.

    The LDS Church's stated policy on political neutrality includes this:

    "General Authorities and general officers of the Church and their spouses and other ecclesiastical leaders serving full-time should not personally participate in political campaigns, including promoting candidates, fundraising, speaking in behalf of or otherwise endorsing candidates, and making financial contributions."

    Why are Church authorities instructed/discouraged from making political contributions?

    The CEO is the face of the organization. Some employees and customers could choose to and did overlook his personal views. Others couldn't and didn't. It is part of living in a free society. We should always strive for truth and facts. Personally, for me I would not change my browser as long as Mozilla didn't have policies in place which harm LGBT employees or customers. But i also respect those who would make a different choice.

    (The New York Times and Reuters does a better job of dissecting and reporting on this issue.)

  • J in AZ San Tan Valley, AZ
    April 5, 2014 3:48 p.m.

    Stormwalker, Let's take a look at the teachers who you listed that were terminated.

    Vice Principal Mark Zmuda - Terminated by a Catholic parochial school.
    Tippi McCullough - Terminated by a Catholic parochial school.
    Carla Hale - Terminated by a Catholic parochial school.
    Al Fischer - Terminated by a Catholic parochial school.
    Kristen Ostendorf - Terminated by a Catholic parochial school.
    Ken Bencoma - Terminated by a Catholic parochial school.
    Michael Griffin - Terminated by a Catholic parochial school.

    Do you see a theme here? The Catholic Church teaches that homosexual conduct is a sin. In what alternate universe is it reasonable for a Catholic Church school to employ people who are engaged in what the church teaches is immoral behavior? In this reality, Churches are legally allowed to enforce their moral standards on employees.

    The Mozilla Foundation is a 501c(3) organization, non-profit, that claims that "Mozilla believes both in equality and freedom of speech." Well, it appears that if you a religious person that believes that homosexual conduct is a sin. Mozilla's commitment to freedom of speech doesn't extend to you if you publically oppose sin.

  • G-Day-M8 WVC, UT
    April 5, 2014 4:16 p.m.

    OK, I supported prop 8 in California. Who of you will condemn me for so saying?

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    April 5, 2014 4:38 p.m.

    If defenders of traditional marriage are becoming fearful of mob action, you haven't seen anything yet. Mormons, prepare for the militant pervs to come after you.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    April 5, 2014 4:51 p.m.

    @anotherview

    Protesting and boycotting are exercising free speech.

    Demanding someone be fired because they do not proscribed to some required or expected view is bullying and fascist...it is mcarthyism.

    If there is no diversity of thoughts and views allowed in the public square there is only controlled thought, there is only tyranny, and certainly no freedom, No freedom of expression, no freedom conscience and belief.

    The left here is telling us you must think a certainly way a way a way they approve of and find acceptable, a Politically Correct way (communist terminology, PC has communist origins), or you are not allowed to function in and be a part of society, their society.

    That is not diversity nor tolerance. NO matter how much you disagree with, even despise, another's view.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    April 5, 2014 5:30 p.m.

    I am as appalled as anyone at Mozilla's bigoted action of forcing this man out but I am equally appalled at those shallow minded commentators who want to blame the Democrats. Let individuals come forth as individuals and state their views. I won't be using Mozilla any more..

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    April 5, 2014 5:52 p.m.

    The writer appears to be framing this as a political issue (rather than a moral issue) in this particular piece, but I think it is a moral issue.

    A minority of people (including Eich) think same-sex marriage is immoral while the majority of people believe that excluding LGBT people from marriage (and even the wordsmithed notion of "traditional marriage") is immoral. Mozilla wants the majority of consumers to patronize its business.

    People have always patronized businesses that comport with their moral beliefs and not patronized businesses that do not; and this is no different.

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    April 5, 2014 5:57 p.m.

    @RG

    "Prop 8 was moral, not immoral. Same sex "marriage" is immoral. God said so."

    Please cite exactly where (the scripture please) God said that "same sex marriage is immoral". Christian religions do not even agree that God thinks this.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 5, 2014 6:00 p.m.

    Keep up the oppression against those whose opinions and values differ from yours and eventually it is going to lead to people dying. People will only be oppressed for so long before they push back.

  • 2close2call Los Angeles, CA
    April 5, 2014 6:03 p.m.

    I have no problem with same sex marriage, and do believe that those that fought against same sex marriage in California did attempt to discriminate against gay people by forcing their religious beliefs on the.

    Having said that, I totally disagree with someone having to lose their job by wasting a cool thousand on attempting to fight others freedom to SSM. He did not commit any crime and his contribution and losing that money was sufficient punishment. Kind of like its own special tax!

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    April 5, 2014 6:09 p.m.

    @J in AZ;

    If you do a bit MORE research, you'll find that these schools were AWARE of the sexuality of the teacher. One even took his partner to administration parties. It wasn't until he made plans to marry his partner that he was fired. For the most part, the schools were already perfectly aware and chose to do nothing.

    Does the first amendment's guarantee of free speech over-ride the 14th amendments guarantee of equal treatment under the law? If you're using your speech (money) to violate the rights of others, you are violating other clauses of the Constitution. Cry me your crocodile tears, no kleenex for you.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2014 8:32 p.m.

    I think the timing of this outrageous act by Mozilla could be fortuitous. As the courts consider states rights with regards to restricting SSM, they very well might view the infringement on Mr. Eich's free speech rights over the top. The Supreme Court in particular in recent years has put a pretty high premium in defense of free speech rights. I foresee this will backfire in the face of the gay agenda over time.

    Now is as good time for folks of a moral conscience to speak up in defense of your free speech rights and say how you feel about the moral decline in America that is mightily driven by the gay agenda.

  • Bob K portland, OR
    April 5, 2014 9:08 p.m.

    To lead, you must have the confidence of those under you.

    By refusing to say that Prop 8 was wrong, Eich separated himself from the vast majority of his employees and customers. (not just a few Gay protesters)

    Even if you believe Prop 8 was right -- would you want to work for a man who contributed, say, to a campaign to take the tax exemption from the lds church? Would you enjoy being his customer?

    By California standards, he had to go, and should have left the first day.

    In Utah, where most of the money for Prop 8 originated, that might be hard to understand.

  • 1 Voice orem, UT
    April 5, 2014 9:09 p.m.

    So Raytheist
    you say you are not trying to push conformity but " want a society where people can have their views, but individuals will be held accountable for acting on views that diminish others or discriminate or harm others. "

    by your own logic those that pushed out Eich as CEO of Mozilla because he didn't conform to their view and values should be held accountable for being intolerant; their behavior was harmful and discriminatory. What they did was wrong no matter how you try to justify it.

    the definition of hypocrisy is saying one thing is wrong but doing that very same thing justifying it as OK for you to do it but not for other. What you are saying is its OK to have an opinion as long as its the same as yours, if not you will push to get others fired when they don't agree with you.

  • 1 Voice orem, UT
    April 5, 2014 9:19 p.m.

    Karen R. Your argument is flawed in so many ways.
    You stated "Deeply held beliefs" isn't enough to gain someone a pass to harm others."

    By your own words you are condemned.

    You and those in Mozzila with deeply held beliefs that SSM is OK should Not get a pass for harming this man for holding values and beliefs different from your own.

    You should look up the definition of hypocrisy.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    April 5, 2014 10:00 p.m.

    This shouldn't be a conservative vs. Liberal thing. This is all about a person's constitutionally guaranteed right to think and believe as he desires. All people, regardless of religious, political, ethnic, and other persuasions should be shaking in their boots at the intolerance of the homosexual community and their scorched earth policy. If this keeps up, no one will dare utter anything that is perceived by them as derogatory. Frankly, no one that doesn't agree with them will be able to express their opinion. They will be slandered, put in jail, persecuted for hate crimes, protested against just for expressing an opinion or contributing to a cause they believe in. Can't wait until these creeps start protesting outside of the Conference Center. Boy oh boy, why won't be happy with a lot of what was said today.

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    April 5, 2014 10:07 p.m.

    No the end of free speech began with the Citizens United decision, reenforced by the new McCutcheon verdict.

    Free speech is now pay to play.

  • J in AZ San Tan Valley, AZ
    April 5, 2014 10:20 p.m.

    RanchHand - You may in turn want to consider that the Hosanna-Tabor v. EEOC decision giving churches and church sponsored organizations the absolute right to terminate employees who do not support the teachings of the church was only handed down in 2012. Before that time the law was not settled. The terminations in question all came after Hosanna-Tabor was handed down. So, we have to consider the possibility that risk managers prevented terminations from fear of litigation. On the other hand, perhaps the relevant dioceses finally decided to cowboy up and start standing for the doctrines that they teach. Either way works for me.

    Neither the First or Fourteenth Amendment apply to either the various catholic schools or the Mozilla Foundation because they are both private entities. What is at issue is the failure of the Mozilla Foundation to uphold it's professed values of diversity, presumably of both people and belief systems although we've seen the lie in that, and freedom of speech, which apparently only holds if your speech agrees with the right clique.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 5, 2014 10:22 p.m.

    The new era of public scrutiny started with an outcry that got the dude from 'duck dynasty' his job back.

  • Bob K portland, OR
    April 5, 2014 10:56 p.m.

    Flashback
    Kearns, UT
    "This shouldn't be a conservative vs. Liberal thing. This is all about a person's constitutionally guaranteed right to think and believe as he desires. All people, regardless of religious, political, ethnic, and other persuasions should be shaking in their boots at the intolerance of the homosexual community and their scorched earth policy."

    --- Remember that Jesus told us to walk in the other person's sandals.

    Believing is a right. Contributing to a cause that is deeply hurtful to many members of your community at work and your customers has consequences.

    Gay people think lds have a right to believe in Prop 8, but they mostly want to have nothing to do with any mormons, including doing business with them, until the day comes that they apologize for Prop 8 and the huge damage that it did.

    Have you ever thought how many children in California were bullied in school or hurt themselves -- or were thrown out by parents -- because the mormon sponsored Prop 8 commercials portrayed Gays as evildoers who want to control children?

    Actions have consequences. Beliefs are not actions.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    April 5, 2014 11:38 p.m.

    Stormwalker,

    The quantity of firings is irrelevant to this. 20 years ago, more gays would be fired. 20 years from now, it will be the opposite. You failed to honor the point I made... which is that gays aren't extending the same tolerance they demand and bully of others.

    I don't really care about the law. Laws are powerless without people. I care about what the masses believe and do. I care about how we treat others. I don't believe in mistreating gays. But I also don't believe in mistreating people with diverse political opinions.

    All we want is to respect this man and liberals can't manage to agree on that point. That's pretty horrible. It reflects how serious this problem is.

  • ICantBelieveThisIsHappening San Jose, CA
    April 5, 2014 11:45 p.m.

    California law explicitly prohibits people from being disciplined or terminated at work because of their political beliefs or actions taken in furtherance of those beliefs. Eich has grounds to sue and he should. I live in the middle of Silicon Valley and see the hypocritical actions of the left on a regular basis.

    You Utahns just don't get it. My civil rights have been violated here multiple times. My home has been vandalized and my cars defaced. I've had hate mail and seen my neighbors attacked. Why did this happen? We put signs in our yard in support of a political position. It wasn't even Proposition 8. My "offense" is that I'm a Republican.

    When I started living here, I had no real opinion about the homosexual community. Having lived in their midst, I now do.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    April 6, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    @Flashback;

    You can believe whatever you want. Your beliefs don't get you a pass for violating the rights of others.

    @J in AZ;

    Do you understand hypocrisy? These Catholic schools were 100% aware of the sexual orientation of these teachers. They even allowed at least one of these teachers to bring his partner to school sponsored events. Were they following their rules to allow this? Why was it only after these people started making plans to marry that they were fired for "not following the rules"? That is hypocrisy.

  • RBTJR PLATTSBURGH, NY
    April 6, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    This man donated private funds and expressed his view privately, not using Mozilla as a platform to express his views. Whether you agree with his stance or not, this smacks of a witch hunt and a latter day McCarthyism!

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 6, 2014 12:31 p.m.

    I'm surprised to see so many conservative posters against free enterprise.

    Eich was an "at-will" employee which means his employer can fire him for any (legal) reason. Although California law has more protections against unjust dismissal (than Utah), I'm sure Eich signed releases and was paid a lot of money when discharged. Do conservatives have a problem with that?

    His employer calculated that they would be more profitable without him as an employee so they dismissed him. Do conservatives now have a problem with companies shedding at-will employees in an effort to become more profitable?

    People vote with their pocketbooks (do conservatives now have a problem with that?) and this is what the firing is about. Calling liberals (or anybody for that matter) hypocrites for voting with their pocketbooks is ridiculous. Liberals did not "force him out." His dismissal was the direct result of economic reality (free enterprise) being exercised.

    If conservatives really have a problem with Eich's dismissal, then you should call for stronger laws in Utah to protect employees. Somehow I don't think we will see that.

  • Le gros legume Rexburg, ID
    April 6, 2014 12:54 p.m.

    It's amazing how bullying the gay lobby is. They are so insecure about who they really are that it becomes all about fear and intimidation rather than dialogue.

  • J in AZ San Tan Valley, AZ
    April 7, 2014 9:05 a.m.

    RanchHand - Yes, I do understand hypocrisy. It was an act of hypocrisy for those catholic schools and diocese to continue to employ those individuals after it became clear that their lives were not in harmony with the moral doctrines of the church. It would have been an even greater hypocrisy to continue to employ them after they came out in open rebellion against the teachings of the church on marriage.

  • The Wraith Kaysville, UT
    April 7, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    I asked this in response to a different article about the same subject and I'll ask it again here. How was Mr. Eich's freedom of speech taken away from him? I'm serious, explain it to me. As far as I can tell Mr. Eich is still free to donate as much money as he wants to any cause he wants.

    Mozilla may have pressured him to leave but they have every right to do that as well. The people that run that company have a right to run it the way they see fit.

    So again, how was Mr. Eich's freedom of speech taken from him? You may not agree with Mozilla's actions but they had a right to do what they did. Do you know how I can tell people like Mr. Eich or Phil Robertson still have all the free speech they did before? Because they can still say whatever they want.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    April 7, 2014 11:00 a.m.

    @ 1 Voice

    For an excellent comment on hypocrisy, I refer you to the typically astute observation of "glendenbg" on page 3 of the comments to "In Our Opinion: Mozilla Makes a Mockery of Diversity and Freedom."

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    April 7, 2014 11:24 a.m.

    Incidents like this will happen more and more. Before too much longer, they will not even be news-worthy. The LGBT and the far left have done a masterful PR job in equating those who support traditional marriage with "bigots". When you label and demonize a group, they no longer appear human, and then the majority can discriminate without feeling guilty.

    Funny, that is what happened to the LGBT for so long. Now, they are turning the tables in retribution. It is sad how a group that fought so hard for "equal rights" now sees no problem in denying those same rights to those they disagree with. You can see this plainly on this comment board.

    There are ways we can all live together, but then "tolerance" does not mean that to the left. By their actions, "tolerance" should be replaced with "eradication". The left is only tolerant of those who agree with them.

    This life is temporary. I believe there is much more for us after this life. Those who treated the fellow people badly in this life will be accountable for it....

  • Demiurge San Diego, CA
    April 7, 2014 11:24 p.m.

    This really isn't about free speech. This is about people visiting with their dollars and their feet. The CEO became a liability, which is THE capital crime of a CEO. You can flounder around and blame whoever you like, but the reality is that the board made an economic decision based on their perception of the market.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    April 8, 2014 7:13 a.m.

    @J in AZ, you are right--all of those people did teach in Catholic schools. And yes, the Catholic church's official position is that same sex marriage is not allowed. But those same Catholic schools hire--and retain---people who are divorced and remarried. And they get a bit flustered when you bring up that this is equally sinful in their church's eyes. Just like the letter writers here avoid the questions of why they denounce the "sin" of homosexuality while glossing over the equal "sin" of eating shellfish.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    April 8, 2014 7:25 a.m.

    @RedWings--you wrote "I believe there is much more for us after this life. Those who treated the fellow people badly in this life will be accountable for it".

    This must mean you have seen the light and now regret your support for Amendment 3!

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    April 8, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    Laura:

    I never agreed with the ban on civil unions. To me, "marriage" is a religious covenant and is not for government to sanction. "Civil union" is just that - a union sanctioned by civil authority. If government got out of the marriage business and issued civil union licenses, all of the debate, arguments, and issues around thei go away. Everyone's rights are protected.

    No one group should trample the rights of others. I heard this from the LGBT and far left for years, and now they have become what they argued against. I have no sympathy for that...

  • J in AZ San Tan Valley, AZ
    April 8, 2014 3:03 p.m.

    Laura from beautiful Maple Valley: Certainly let's be ethically consistent. Catholic educators who have remarried after a divorce, and have not been given an annulment of the previous marriage by the appropriate church authority, should not be teaching in a catholic parochial school. The failure to hold to that standard is an inconsistency that individual diocesan leaders should address. As for the dichotomy between eating shellfish as a sin and sexual sin consider Acts 15 where the apostles determined that gentile converts to the church were not required to obey the dietary codes of the Law of Moses. They did not, however, free the saints from the requirement to avoid sexual sins.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    April 8, 2014 4:11 p.m.

    @RedWings
    "The LGBT and the far left have done a masterful PR job in equating those who support traditional marriage with "bigots"."

    I'm pretty sure that a lot of you who are familiar with my posting here would be surprised to know that I myself also believe that God only recognizes marriage between a man and a woman. The key difference is that I don't try to make others have to conform to that view by trying to ban anyone from having a same-sex marriage.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 10, 2014 1:39 a.m.

    Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. Surprised so many people don't understand that.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    April 11, 2014 12:50 a.m.

    You know what, when it's no longer possible to be fired simply for being gay, then you can complain about this topic. Until then, I am not interested.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    April 11, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    A few questions I don't quite get about this story:

    1. This doesn't seem like the type of issue that should make someone disqualified to run a company that creates a popular web-browser.

    2. Just because someone holds opinions you disagree with doesn't mean they are dismissable if they do their job. What specific actions rendered him unfit for his job?

    3. And did he receive any warnings about specific behaviors?

    4. Why just the CEO, or does Firefox have a policy now company-wide that if someone expresses an unpopular opinion, will they likewise lose their job?

  • Pianoman Salt Lake City, UT
    April 12, 2014 4:05 a.m.

    And this is why I do not support SSM for the time being!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 15, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    I wonder where these so-called defenders of "Free Speech" are when someone is fired for donating to the American Nazi Party, KKK, or Pro-Gay causes?

    Be consistant,
    Show some integrity.

  • BYU Track Star Los Angeles, CA
    April 16, 2014 5:48 p.m.

    Lets see, in California (and I'm sure in other states too), there is a California law requiring the release of donors names to California ballot propositions. I recall the threshold being about 100 bucks. This is all in the name of election ballot initiative transparency. This is not the first time there has been public backlash against Prop 8 donors. I recall a Daughter of an owner of a Mexican Restaurant in Hollywood made a small contribution supporting prop 8. The Restaurant's Gay clientelle organized a boycott of the eatery. The Restaurant nearly went under. I think the family barred the daughter from working there since then. I'm sure there is some lesson here for all. Namely, the need to avoid public controversy if one is in the public eye.

  • Seldom Seen Smith Orcutt, CA
    April 16, 2014 10:04 p.m.

    Our country has no cultural norms, America is disintegrating.

  • Albemar West Jordan, UT
    April 18, 2014 7:10 a.m.

    I find it helpful to switch Mozilla with Duck Dynasty & Chick-Fil-A. Those same people who are outraged that pressure was placed on Mozilla for his choice, are quite zealous in their support of Chick-Fil-A and Ducky Dynasty's choices.

    It is quite hypocritical to say making anti-gay comments are protected and should be respected, but when it goes the other way, it is being intolerant.