I'm ashamed he caved to the intolerant bullies.I support his
stance, which happens to agree with my stance, Prophet Monson's stance, and
Pope Francis' stance.Its good company to be in!
If the shoe were on the other foot and someone was forced out of their job for
supporting marriage equality there would be an outcry. I know that my Gay
friends feel differently about this than I do, but you don't change minds
He did leave religion at the door of the workplace.Its the
"tolerant" liberals that brought his religious views into the workplace.
Absolutely not! The CEO had every right to donate to a cause that he believes
in. No one should be forced to leave their religion or beliefs at the door, but
not impose upon others that may not adhere to the same beliefs. I hope the
muslims take note because they have complete disregard for others' beliefs
when it come to their "religion" and the workplace.
Indeed, Chris B. Great company to be in.I also support religious
freedom anywhere you go. You have to know when to talk about religion though.
I almost never do it in my workplace unless somebody asks me.About
what happened with this CEO, its unfortunate and it is Proof Positive that the
gay marriage crowd IS harming others, but trying to silence their opposition and
releasing them from key posts.Without freedom of speech and
religion, this country will not last much longer.
A prominent speaker in SLC recently stated that safe, healthy societies will
exist in only 2 situations: 1) a strong but good dictator, meaning a good
person. The speaker mentioned that such a "good" dictator is quite
rare. 2) In a society of democracy where religion is a foundation for the rule
of law. He was not talking about a fundamentalist religious society. Rather, a
society based upon the Judeo-Christian values of love, humility, honesty,
integrity, the 10 commandments, etc.America has been one of the
greatest nations on the earth because of its religious foundation. But that has
been changing for decades, and the past few years the change has been dramatic
and alarming. Secularists who are trying to root out religious influence in
politics and society will only be left with an unstable, unsafe society. Religion is critical to community.
Brendan Eich has his right to support prop. 8, Mozilla’s staff have their
right to call his resignation, consumers have their right to boycott, and to
call other users to switch to different browsers. In the end,
Brendan Eich made his decision that resignation would be best for the company.
After all, according to WSJ, his appointment as CEO already led to the
resignation of three members of the company's board, now maybe they can
@David"Rather, a society based upon the Judeo-Christian values
of love, humility, honesty, integrity, the 10 commandments, etc."Under which of the above categories lies preventing gays from marrying their
partners? Who is disagreeing with the foundations of our society? I'm
unfamiliar with any attempts at undermining our moral foundation, except from
those who elevate personal biases and motives above the common good.
It's a sad day when society at large allows the personal exercise of
political and religious beliefs to be silenced. Liberals are only tolerant of
opinions that align with their own and with this country becoming liberal or
indifferent to liberalism, freedom of religion as we've known it will soon
be gone. I am shocked at the pace at which this is occurring and it
honestly hurts my heart to see it happen.
Always best for all concerned to leave one's personal views to one's
self at one's place of employment.Opening up all of one's
personal morality causes nothing but trouble from there on out.Don't
let anyone goad you into one of those "friendly discussions".
Firefox is still a terrible browser, but I still must admit that I have
additional respect for the company itself after reading this. Thank you.
The very people calling for his resignation would be outraged if someone were
forced out of a company for expressing the opposite view. This is why
antidiscriminatuon laws are a bad idea. Some groups are allowed to discriminate
while using the laws to go after those with whom they disagree.
Contrast this to One World and the support they received from their conservative
donors when they announced they would recognize the same-sex marriages of their
employees - Oh, wait!They were boycotted and ended up
changing their position.
@RBB: If the shoe was on the other foot, those who are now outraged
that he resigned would be overjoyed. For example, look at the long lines of
people who lined up to buy chicken sandwiches to support the position of
Chik-Fil-A chief Dan Cathey. Personally, I question his commitment
to fostering equality in the company (a long-held Mozilla value) if, in his
personal life, he is opposed to equality and shows it by making donations to
groups opposed to equality. On the other hand, he was a founder of the company
and claims he left those values at the door. I wasn't there, so I
don't know. At the same time, articles in the Wall Street
Journal pointed to other problems that caused dissension among board members
when he was promoted to CEO, especially his seeming lack of interest in the
exploding mobile browser market. (Mozilla has less than 1% of the mobile market
share.)As an outsider, I suspect that the "gay issue" makes
better headlines than discussions of market share and emerging technology
platforms, but the inside story was more complicated than we know.
Could we pause a second and consider just WHO it was that cost Mr. Erich his
position? No, it wasn't the government, nor the CIA, his gay acquaintances
or some mysterious cabal of liberals. No, it was his fellow stockholders - the
people he would have spent most of his working days with. It's not even
impossible that he was ousted for reasons that had nothing to do with his
opinions. Like the rest of these posters, I wasn't there.
Neo-McCarthyism. Witch Hunts and people losing their jobs.I read
Mozilla's blog statement saying they value diversity. Well, apparently
not. I find an appalling hypocrisy when a university forces someone out for
stating their views or even signing a petition and then they say, "We
believe in diversity." It gives diversity a bad name.
I haven't found anything that says that Eich's donation was motivated
by a religious belief, so the author may be making an unfounded assumption here.
Mozilla's mission statement emphasizes equality and
inclusiveness and the company's Executive Chair confirmed that this
explicitly includes LGBT and marriage equality. So isn't this an example
of a company living up to its principles? Would you want the leader of your
religion to be someone who believes the opposite of your church doctrine?@ Tekakaromatagi - Were you screaming witch hunt and decrying people
losing their jobs when those affected were gay people?
Uninstalling Firefox today.
Mark B,The CEO AND Mozilla's own blog both openly state that
his political position is why he's being ousted.Even if they
weren't "open", it's absolute folly to even suggest that
liberals and proponents of SSM aren't bullying everyone. Anyone arguing
anything else is either ignoring the entire world around them or they are
pushing the same 'moral relativist' propaganda themselves.
Stormwalker,Apparently being pro diversity and equality only applies
if you share the same views as others in the company. I manage several people
who disagree with my politics and/or religion. I do not fire them for their
beliefs, but doubtless there are some who would fire me for mine if the shoe
were on the other foot.By the way, Chick-fillet is a bad analogy.
People lined up to support Chick-fillet after several gay marriage groups
threatened a boycott. Claiming to support diversity and then favoring punishing
someone who presents a divergent view is hypocracy.I am not normally
a boycott type person as I think everyone has the right to their opinion.
However this coming week Firefox will be removed from all the computers in my
office. If Mozilla cannot handle diversity of thought, I will not use their
I use Firefox on my Mac, and I like it. I don't care if the CEO is liberal,
conservative, gay, straight, religious, atheistic, or whatever. Firefox is a
good product, and I use it for technical reasons.
Like it or not, every business has the right to set standards of conduct and
ethics for his employees including those of the owners beliefs. Without
standards of conduct and ethical laws no business can remain reputable or
trusted. A business owner can shut the doors any time he wants and fire every
employee and close every store he owns without government approval. The supreme
court has no jurisdiction over free enterprise.It time for business
owners to stand up for their rights, employees are bound by his terms and
conditions of employment and health care is not a right of workers and health
care limits and offerings are negotiations that owners have a right to approve
or disapprove. Obamacare has opened Pandora's box too mass
unemployment and defunding of the core of america. Just as doctors and health
care providers can go out of business if they don't like the government
demands and requirements. Socialized health care can only be implemented if
government does every thing. Americans are not bound by any law to stay in
business and without jobs and taxation the governemnt is just a document.
Well now he has all the time and money in the world to grind an axe that will
make his last political contribution seem like chump change
RBB:Chick-Fil-A has a policy supporting anti-Gay groups, their CEO
gives to the same organizations. The public noticed. Part of the public objected
and called for a boycott. People who supported the actions stood in line and
bought sandwiches. Mozilla has a Gay positive corporate policy, the
new CEO gave money to a group that is contrary to that policy. The public
noticed and questioned the seeming conflict. Some called for a boycott, others
called for support. While Mr Cathy, CEO of Chick-Fil-A acted congruent with
company policy, Mr Eich was not congruent. The public continued to question the
situation, Mr Eich decided to step down. I am sure he could have weathered the
storm, he decided not to. His choice to donate, his choice to step down to
minimize the controversy. I disagree with his actions, just like I
disagree with Dan Cathy. I support their right to speak, I also support the
rights of others to question and object. Chick-Fil-A lost some business but
continues. Mozilla faces stiff competition and does not need distraction right
@RBB - ContinuedI recently left a supervisory position in a gay
friendly company. I interviewed and hired for every department except nursing.
As part of my introduction to candidates I told my story, including mentioning
my husband and I moving to Cleveland when I started with the company. A couple
of people did not want to work with openly Gay supervisors and talked to me
about it when declining the job. Others were thrilled, including two who started
crying at the thought of working in a place where they could be open and honest
and not fear retribution. I had worked in a company in North Georgia
with very "Christian" management and atmosphere. It was not uncommon to
hear slurs against Gays, Jews and others not part of the acceptable local
denominations. I am open about who I am, I experienced nasty comments and some
sermons. I am also very good at what I do and was mostly bullet-proof from
actual retribution. At times it was hostile, and others had been fired for not
being invisible. It goes both ways.
Check your religion at your door or at your churches door, just as the fore
fathers of this great and secular representative republic intended. When folks
do that everyone's rights are upheld.
@I know it. I Live it. I Love it. is absolutely correct in quoting
Mozilla's now infamous "apology to the world." He was forced out
because of his donation to Prop 8, known because of CA's (in my opinion)
flawed law that state that any donor above $100 must be made public. Might as
well just publish how one voted.I am now writing this using Chrome,
after being with Firefox since its inception because 1) Mozilla is being
hypocritical in not defending Eich, 2) because of their lame and offensive
"apology," and 3) because I am so tired of gay bullying and spineless
entities who submit to them. Gee, when you look at most homosexuals
and their socioeconomic status and how they are idolized by the news and
entertainment media and many parts of government, I think it doesn't seem
much like they are discriminated against like other minorities were/are.
The good news is that the next time some gay rights supporter tells you to
explain why gay marriage is no harm, you can point and say "Brendan Eich is
not gay, but you guys fired him. Am I next if you get your way?" This affects all of us. It's one thing to think that "why should I
stand in the way of Adam and Steve being happy?" It's a whoooole other
ballgame when its "Hey, these guys are actively trying to fire me and my
Bishop and anyone else who won't kowtow to their every whim. I'd
probably better stop them before it's my neck on the line." Congratulations, Gay activists: You just provided an ironclad case why the
rest of us should tell you where to go: because you want to terminate every
single person who disagrees with you. That's about as intrusive as you can
So, in America, when do we get to exercise our "free speech" rights?Apparently only when the pro-homosexual crowd says you can.
This is not about "religion in the workplace."It is about
the right to have principles and express them (outside of the workplace in this
case, BTW) without fearing the loss of one's livelihood.I live
in San Francisco, the nation's hotbed of diversity and tolerance, and I can
confirm that diversity and tolerance are alive and well under the right
circumstances, for the right people, if they say and do the right things.
@slcdenizen quoted @David:"Rather, a society based upon the
Judeo-Christian values of love, humility, honesty, integrity, the 10
commandments, etc."Under which of the above categories lies preventing
gays from marrying their partners?---Of course, there is no moral
wrong in two persons of the same sex marrying each other. They can live
together, pay bills together, share their wealth and include each other in their
wills. However, if they have sex together, that falls under one of the ten
commandments. His question deserved an answer.
Let's be clear.The man went to a Jesuit college that is
"the right place for serious catholic young men"He
presumably contributed because his church originated and backed Prop 8, later
recruiting Utah mormons that bishop Cordileone knew.I give him
credit for sticking with his beliefs.BUT -- If you are lds--
would you be comfortable working for a man who had given money for the campaign
to remove the lds tax exemption?-- would you be comfortable working for a
man who had given public disrespect to the lds, but promised to be fair to you
at work?He had to go because he could not be the leader, with his
track record. He could have kept his other job there forever.
@ gmlewisWhich commandment?
gmlewis,We deserve an answer.Which of the Ten
Commandments declares sex between married same sex partners a "sin"?
A smear campaign is a smear campaign, even if you share the animosity of those
doing the smearing. There are groups which say pretty awful things about
Mormons, Catholics, and blacks. If you belonged to one of these religions or
races, would you want a CEO who had given a thousand dollars to a group
dedicated to restricting their rights? Even if he promised that his personal
views wouldn't affect his actions?
The only thing Brandon Eich should have done differently was to say, "I
exercised my First Amendment rights, years ago BTW, I did nothing wrong and
I'm not resigning. If you want me to leave, you will publicly have to fire
me and publicly announce to the world that you're firing me for exercising
my First Amendment rights, years ago BTW, and that you are only doing it to cave
in to a tiny but disproportionately loud minority of militant homosexual
There is no right to be a CEO, and as a CEO one is always representing the
company. Apparently the board felt he was going to be more negative then
positive and let him go. The LGBTs didn't get him fired, neither did the
liberals. If anything this was a business decision based solely on the perceived
net value of the CEO. They are the ONLY ones with the authority - and the right
- to do so.