Much ado about nothing.
Pretty much as one could have predicted. Of course Jamaal already talked with
Coach about it, and however serious, from zero to serious, it's been
resolved as far as the Coach and the Honor Code are concerned. Not it is being
resolved as a legal issue.Those who opined that Jamaal should just
be honest, and in the process implied that he wasn't, spoke out of turn.
Again.Can we move on now?
Congratulations Duane! I wish you good health during your retirement.
Sounds like it has already been addressed. Time to move on.
Maybe this is the first example of the new practice for handling honor code
accusations. BYU said that these things would be handled internally so lets
trust them to do that. We can also be glad that this new practice will be
better for the athletes involved. There will always be critics so no
just let them do what they do and "let it go" .
Gotta luv a certain BYU hater's bitter disappointment about Jamaal and
Bronco dealing with this situation behind closed doors.It's
interesting that the individuals who have the least respect for BYU's Honor
Code are the same individuals who are the most adamant about seeing it strictly
enforced.They obviously completely misunderstand the fundamental
purpose of the Honor Code.
Honor code doenst mean "perfection". Judement of the individual
circumstances, people involved amd their desire/commitment to change make all of
the difference. That is why so many BYU fans like this new approach to dealing
with honor code issues. People can say that the honor code will
lose its meaning but that is baloney. Hopfully, it will more closely match the
standards everyday members and help soften the image of BYU as a school.
Considering how BYU has handled player issues in the past, often removing the
player from participation even at critical games, I'm completely confident
that BYU is handling this incident correctly.Of course there will
always be the detractors, especially hypocritical UofU fans, who feign concern
(who I'm sure have the best interest) for BYU's high moral standards.
Between BYU and these antagonists, I know which group has the reputation and
history that earns my trust.GO COUGARS!
Glad to see that Bronco and Jamaal have already worked this out and that BYU
isn't over-reacting to a minor offense. Yes, from what we know,
Jamaal probably broke the law and the Honor Code, but this type of offense
wouldn't be grounds for suspension for non-athletes, so athletes deserve to
be treated in private with the same leniency.
BYU needs to stop pounding its chest.We hear about players breaking
the honor code when they get arrested or when a Utah fan catches them in the act
in Vegas. How many do we not hear about and are swept under the rug?BYU seems to care about the honor code when they can brag about higher
standards, but when someone doesn't obey it they sweep it under the rug (in
situations when they can get away with it).If you are not going to
enforce the Honor Code, why even have it in the first place? Give the players
their agency back.
Still nothing to see here. Move along everyone. This is between
student athlete, his coach and the school.
The namesake of the university said, "I believe in coming out and being
plain and honest with that which should be made public, and in keeping to
yourselves that which should be kept ... Tell to the public that which belongs
to the public ..." Does this belong to the public? I don't think it
does. Coach Mendenhall understands that, and he shows respect for his players
not to drag their private business through the public eye. While it has been
inspiring to see KVN, Davies, Hadley, and others turn their lives around on a
public stage, I think the new attitude is better.
Chris B,Most of that comment is a good point and very accurate. But
where in the world did you hear that lying to a judge was legal? In court, you
place your hand on the bible and swear to "tell the truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth."Obviously, people lie to judges all
the time, but in no way is it legal at all.My prediction is that
Jamaal will either be found in both legal and honor code trouble, or he
won't be in trouble at all. In this instance, the honor code is almost
exactly the same as the law (in many cases the honor code is more strict).
It's hard for me to see any scenario where he is in legal trouble but not
honor code trouble or vice versa.
You apparently you know little about law enforcement nor legal matters if you
think every arrest is made without error. Having been in law enforcement for
many years I can tell you, my friend, that many arrests are made with little or
no probable cause. Circumstances often make things appear one way but they are
often innocent or completely different than witnesses or appearances lead law
enforcement to believe. I don't know why people immediately assume the
worst and cover ups are the rule of the day. Perhaps you're experiences
have left you a cynic. I am not and believe in the system which includes the
honor code which I honored for the entire time I was attending school, and still
Oh Chris, good grief. Entering a plea is not like entering the confessional and
confessing all your sins. Not all honor code violations will get you kicked out
of school. Having sex will do it certainly. Spencer Hadley didn't get
kicked out of BYU. Whatever his violations were (and they are none of my
business) were enough to be suspended from football games. I'm not sure if
he was suspended from practices.When you're dealing with kids
some flexibility is necessary. I think the Van Noy story shows that Bronco has
a good sense of what will help a kid become a better person. Sometimes you may
need to take a hard line; other times the line may be softer. As long as the
Honor Code Office doesn't make him withdraw from school, I'm good with
giving Bronco some latitude with Williams. When Whit is dealing with one of
our wayward Utes I am confident he, too, will fashion an appropriate punishment.
Why not just get rid of the Honor Code? "I teach them correct
principles, and they govern themselves." - Joseph Smith
@SammyI have to disagree with you that it's much ado about
nothing. Bronco has a good track record of dealing appropriately with players
who stretch the boundaries of the honor code. I suspect Bronco would not say
this is much ado about nothing. He's not telling us what his discussion
with Jamaal was (which is appropriate), but I'm sure Bronco wasn't
happy to be having that discussion.
There is a large and finely woven carpet under which that finest of human
specimen, the collegiate pro athlete, may expect their indiscretions to be
swept. Indeed, this practise starts much earlier in ones'
'scholastic' athletic career, albeit with lesser grade and lumpier
Mendenhall handled this perfectly.
When you go before a judge, you generally have three options: Guilty, not
guilty, no contest. If you plead guilty or no contest you go straight to
sentencing without the opportunity to plead your case. Almost everyone pleads
not guilty so they can get a trial. It may have happened, but I've never
heard of someone being accused of lying to the judge for pleading not guilty and
then being found guilty. In addition, I believe he was charged with possession
by a minor not consumption which are two very different things (especially in
the eyes of the Honor Code).
If he were to get a heavy suspension the anti-BYU crowd would say that BYU is
too heavy-handed and makes mountains out of molehills. If it's handled
internally people claim there's some grand cover-up and that the violations
were swept under the rug. Personally, I don't know how some of the more
frequent negative posters on both sides can even be happy. If they were happy in
their own lives they wouldn't need to tear someone or something down every
chance they got. Instead of the barrage of criticism how about you post
something positive or something that actually has to with the team you support
and their performance?
The seriousness of honor code violations, along with whether or not it is a
repeat offense all contribute to how these items are handled. Seems pretty
consistent to me with how BYU has dealt with similar violations by players in
the past. If this was any other college in America, it would not have even made
Blechen was suspended after MULTIPLE failed drug tests, meaning that Whittingham
and the U swept the first failed drug test(s) under the rug, yet we didn't
see a single word of protest from CB about that. Yet here he is pontificating
about Bronco and Jamaal lying and sweeping a first offense for something much
more minor under the rug.The inconsistency is laughable.btw, pleading "not guilty" to a charge is not lying; it's simply
exercising one's legal right to not incriminate one's self.
Some of the Utah fans who are so eager to enforce BYU's honor code on
Williams are the same ones who, in the past,have claimed that BYU
African-American players were held to a higher honor code standard than white
players, which was a ridiculous claim in the first place. It is BYU's honor
code and as a BYU alum and fan, I support the decision. I don't really care
if some up on the hill, who really should worry about their own coaches and
We are mad because it looks like he will be there still at byu and make them
better and we don't want them to be better than us that's why we like
to comment and say things about honest even though we don't bother with
that with our players at our school.Go Utes!
BYU has demonstrated, repeatedly, that not even the brightest sports stars are
exempt from strict honor code enforcement. I think you have to give them the
benefit of the doubt on this one.
I knew a older gent who talked slow and naturally (for him) drove slow. His wife
also collected old wine bottles. She thought they were pretty. He was driving
down the freeway at high speed (almost 50 MPH) and was pulled over for drunk
driving.He told the officer that he had not been drinking and the
officer looked on the floor of the back seat and saw, you guested it, a wine
bottle. He was given a field sobriety test and passed. The officer did not
believe the results so he hauled him into the hospital where the took a blood
sample. He passed that test too.They still didn't want to let
him go but they allowed him to make one phone call. He called his wife, who
called the Superior Court Judge, who was in our LDS Ward and also on the high
council with the accused.He walked.It may not be what it
"It's highly unlikely charges would have been brought unless there was
evidence of a crime."Innocent people are charged with crimes
every day. That's why we have courts to determine whether individuals who
are charged with a crime are actually guilty of committing that crime.Whether Jamaal is guilty, or not, under-age drinking is still only a minor
offense, and something that Bronco and Jamaal have already addressed
confidentially. Whatever discipline was given will remain confidential between
Bronco and Jamaal, despite the frantic efforts of a few to make a mountain out
of a mole hill.Time to move on.
I like BYU's new approach to handling Honor Code violations behind closed
doors. Athletes have just as much right to confidentiality as non-athletes.The whole idea behind the Honor Code is to assist students in attaining
higher standards. Everyone makes mistakes. It's what we learn through
overcoming those mistakes that's most important.
Coach Mendenhall, you handled this with a ton of class. My already high respect
for you just went up another level. I hope this is the beginning of a new trend
at BYU so that young people who are prone to make a poor choice now and then can
go on with their lives and not be held up to public ridicule as some would have
them be. We all fall short of perfection in one way or another.
I have no opinion because I don't have the facts and circumstances. it
would be stupid to try to judge the coach or the university without all the
information. you can only judge from past experience here and it appears in the
past, justice and mercy have been used in many instances whenever and wherever
appropriate, even when it seemed contrary to public opinion. I trust is will
be the same now and going forward.
Thanks again Utah fans for posting on a BYU article, further demonstrating that
BYU is the flagship program for the state of Utah and the most important
college. If BYU is so insignificant, why are you posting on a BYU only article?
This article clearly states that he was "charged with possession of alcohol
by a minor" It says nothing of him being drunk/drinking. 2 very different
things when it comes to the law and the Honor Code. People need to stop assuming
they know the entire story and accusing him of lying, or BYU for covering up for
a star athlete. BYU suspended Brandon Davies right before the NCAA tournament!
They could have easily kept it quiet until after the tournament and then suspend
him. but they did the right thing even though it cost them a key team member
during a Tourney run. So I will give Bronco and the University the benefit of
the doubt and assume that they are doing everything the right way, legally and
Kudos to Bronco and Jamaal for handling this situation in an appropriate
manner.Jamaal obviously notified Bronco and accepted personal
responsibility soon after the incident. Bronco addressed it, with appropriate
disciplinary measures, which Jamaal has or is meeting.Bronco has
already demonstrated many times that he doesn't have separate standards for
star athletes, so I'm more than willing to give Bronco the benefit of the
doubt that Jamaal's case was handled appropriately.Haters will
find something to whine about, regardless, so there's no point in worrying
about their whines.Time to move on.
Thanks for the smiles Cletus.
Be in the world not of the world....
CordonBleu, your comments are the most hypocritical I've ever seen."meaning that Whittingham and the U swept the first failed drug
test(s) under the rug"No. It means that that first time
infraction was handled by the team behind closed doors, same as happened here.
Or it means that he did, and that Mendenhall "swept this under the rug"
by not making a public discipline out of it."pontificating about
Bronco and Jamaal lying and sweeping a first offense for something much more
minor under the rug."How is this "much more minor?"
Player A violates team rules only, no legal implications. Player B charged with
violating the law, university rules, and team rules.Before I get
accused of "red goggles," please consider that I'm not condemning
either player, nor am I excusing either one. Simply pointing out inconsistencies
Darren, "It's hard for me to see any scenario where he is
in legal trouble but not honor code trouble or vice versa."And
yet he's in good standing with the team and byu(not in honor code trouble)
and yet his legal battle is still ongoing. So the scenario you can't see
happening, is happening.As far as lying to a judge, yes, its
legal.How often do you see a defendant who pleads not guilty to
something sentenced for the crime he commit AND then sentenced for having
entered a not guilty plea, which obviously was a lie if he was sentenced for the
crime right?Yes, its legal to lie to a judge and say you are not
guilty of something you are guilty of.But it is against the honor
@StgtoSLC,If you're suggesting Blechen is player A, you must
not realize that illegal drugs are illegal? After all, player A in your
comments had no legal implications. You can argue he wasn't caught by the
legal system. But to say there are no legal implications for multiple failed
drug tests involving illegal drugs has no legal implications? Come on now.
StGtoSLCTaking illegal drugs is ILLEGAL; so testing positive using
illegal drugs is per se evidence that the athlete is doing something illegal.Whittingham either did exactly as Bronco did, and handled the situation
internally, or he chose to ignore it, in other words, swept it under the rug.It's funny that you're so bothered about Whittingham being
accused of sweeping it under the rug, but haven't said a word of protest
about Bronco being accused of the same thing.Blatant hypocrisy.btw, unlike illegal drugs, alcohol itself is not illegal; it's only
illegal for someone who is underage to possess and/or consume it. Alcohol
consumption by minors happens on college campuses across the country on a daily
basis, yet you don't see masses of 18-20 year old students being kicked out
of college for. It's a minor offense that most colleges, including Utah,
turn a blind eye towards. Can you honestly say that every one of the students
drinking alcohol at Utah's tailgate parties is 21 or older?
Sports Are Great and skywalker, failing a University drug screening is not
illegal. Also, some substances screened for are not illegal, while some are
illegal only in certain parts of the country. However, Blechen knew what the
team rules were, and he violated them, and was punished for it."It's funny that you're so bothered about Whittingham being
accused of sweeping it under the rug"Where did you get the idea
I am "bothered" by anything here? I don't care what somebody who
doesn't know a football coach thinks about him. I am amused by the irony in
the accusation, however, and glad to point it out."alcohol
itself is not illegal; it's only illegal for someone who is underage to
possess and/or consume it."Which he is. So it is."Alcohol consumption by minors happens on college campuses across the
country on a daily basis"So does drug use."It's a minor offense that most colleges turn a blind eye
towards."Same thing applies. Am I justifying either one? No.
Uncle RicoProvo, UT"We hear about players breaking the
honor code when they get arrested or when a Utah fan catches them in the act in
Vegas. How many do we not hear about and are swept under the rug?"If you didn't hear about it, why do you assume it was swept under the
rug? If I am naiive to assume that because we don't hear about it, it
obviously never happens, you are equally vinndictive and bitter to accuse that
it happens a lot, and only gets dealt with if it comes to light.
Question--- Did Hadley get kicked out of school? Of course the answer is
"no". For all the ranting about BYU being either too hard or too soft on
players, it seems the past has shown them to hold kids accountable without going
overboard. The previous media flogging seemed inappropriate. The new policy of
not discussing it in public unless otherwise made public (court records or
student themselves) seems more in line with what other, non-athlete students at
BYU go through with the honor code. There are a whole lot of in between
consequences besides "kicked out" and "swept under the rug".
Many people on this board seem most offended about not being personally
consulted on the matter.
It's part of growing up, making some bad choices. Bronco handled it well
and it is an issue now only because the legal system, not BYU, has made it
public. Voyeurs have no place in the confessional or the coach's office.
Getting rid of the Honor Code would deny students of clearly knowing what the
standards are. Honor codes work well in schools that take them seriously.
stgslc, - If you knew that the failed drug tests for Blechen were all a result
of legal drugs, you may have a point. I think if you're honest you'd
agree that scenario is probably unlikely. And yes, taking illegal drugs is
illegal. So yes, there are legal implications when someone is
taking illegal drugs. They may not have been caught by the legal system, but to
suggest no relation between the legal system and doing illegal drugs -
you're really stretching aren't you?
PAC man, where did I try, convict, and show that I'm ready to pass sentence
on Jamaal? Those that are responsible for finding out what did and didn't
happen will do so, and the appropriate action will be taken. The kid is a good
ball player, and by all accounts a good person that makes mistakes like any
other. For the record, I hope the best for him, football and otherwise. But fans
who don't even know these kids that jump to judgment for one player, but
hop on the defense of another are a curious sight to me, and that goes for both
By once again being one of the first to respond in a critical way to a BYU
article, it's obvious Chris B's obsession with all things BYU
continues. It's often annoying, but also somewhat humorous for those of us
who see through him. It's also telling that his first and most
controversial comment got pulled as not being up to comment standards. BYU critics always want their cake and eat it too when it comes to such things
as BYU's honor code. They try to walk both sides of the fence when it comes
to it's application and purpose, and always with an anti-BYU slant.
Hopefully, the new policy at BYU on how these issues are handled will eventually
minimize the things they find to complain about. But when there's a will,
there's usually a way.Kudos to BYU, coach Bronco, and to
Williams himself on how this was handled. All entities demonstrated some class
in the needed process.
Let's just say that I respect Bronco's judgment in gathering all of
the pertinent facts and working out a carefully reasoned response with Jammal in
private, a whole lot more than I trust the judgment of those who are simply
speculating about what they think they know.Those who are arguing
that pleading "not guilty" to a criminal charge is the same as lying,
regardless of whether you did what you're charge with doing, either
don't understand the law or are deliberately distorting the truth for their
"Those that are responsible for finding out what did and didn't happen
will do so, and the appropriate action will be taken."As far as
BYU is concerned, the appropriate action has already been taken. Bronco, no
doubt with the approval of the Honor Code office, has already taken the
appropriate action - you're just not willing to accept it, in sharp
contrast to your blanket acceptance of every decision Whittingham made with
regards to a similar, though arguably, more serious situation with Blechen.
What I find offensive is that such arrest records are public. They
shouldn't be. What if the initial arrest is found to be without merit and
the arrested is actually innocent? Now he/she has to explain to everyone? No.
These arrest records should not be public records. The public has no need or
right to know. Why is it so? What about an elected official's decision to
seal all of his records to avoid public scrutiny? Is he above the same laws?
When elected he is now a public official and all his records should be made
available. There shouldn't be any concealment. However, arrest records
should NOT be public until said arrestee is found guilty. Why should public
opinion ruin a person's life? The public will always pronounce guilt rather
than withhold judgment and presume he is innocent. Bronco and Jaamal took care
of it. Done. It is not our place to second guess, to pass judgment. Let's
Sometimes when I read these comments, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
People are really trying to make an issue of dishonesty by pleading "not
guilty"? It's nice to know we have such astute legal and moral
authorities to watch over BYU, its students, and the enforcement of the honor
code, becuase otherwise they would find themselves in complete and total
confusion. Your judgment in this area would make a Pharisee jealous.
"you're just not willing to accept it, in sharp contrast to your
blanket acceptance"The law has a different process of action
than does the school and the football team. What action is taken there is your
guess as well as mine at this point. And no, there is no "contrast" to
my "blanket acceptance" of how any team handles discipline of their
players. As long as it is legal, it is 100% their prerogative. Up until last
year, I believe, the University of Oregon did not conduct any institutional drug
screenings. Tyrann Mathieu reportedly failed somewhere around 10 University
conducted drug screenings at LSU before dismissal. That's up to them. Do I
necessarily agree with it? No, but it doesn't concern me, so I don't
concern myself with it.Let me state plainly again: BYU is BYU; let
them handle their business as they will. Utah is Utah; let them handle their
business as they will. Live and let live.
It is certainly reassuring to read mr. Hutterite's assertion that he is a
perfect individual who has every right to throw that first stone. I've
never met anyone like him. I myself exercised my youthful stupidity at
approximately the same age as Jamal. I was grounded. Unlike mr. Hutterite, who
apparently wishes all BYU athletes to be drawn-and-quartered in public with the
maximum pain inflicted. Please note that the honorific title of "mr."
is a small "m". That is because I do not wish to apply the concept of
honor to mr. Hutterite.
sg--- This particular case aside-- I strongly disagree with your assertion that
arrest records should not be public. Do you want to raise daughters not knowing
you have a neighbor who's served time for molestation? How about that the
girl your son is thinking of proposing to has had several DUI's? They are
public laws and should be known by the public. There will always be those that
convict before the courts but that their problem. As public policy, it's
also always good to have as much public access to govt. proceedings as
possible-- including arrests & courts. If you don't want people
knowing your arrest record, don't get arrested and those who convict in
society need to withhold judgement for those in a position to do so. Knee jerk
reactions over frustration for a few cases and a few judgmental people is not
good for society.
This is the first time I have ever commented although I have been reading these
dialogues for a long time. I've known Duane Busby since 1984. What a
great asset he was at Ricks College and at BYU. I miss him very much and wish
him much happiness. I have wondered for a long time if BYU and
Utah fans really hate each other as their comments often suggest. I would just
say this: As a Utah State grad and athlete, I cheer for the Aggies when they
play either BYU or Utah. When BYU plays Utah or anyone else other than the
Aggies, I cheer for the Cougars. Believe it or not, I cheer for Utah against
everyone they play except the Aggies and Cougars. I have been elated with some
of their great wins over the years. I know lots of great people in all three of
these universities and hope they all continue to build their programs and have
great success. Happy day to have three D-I football schools in the same state.
soup: An arrest and a conviction are two separate things. Many people are
arrested and then are not charged with anything. They might deserve to not have
that arrest record known by everyone. Someone who has been convicted of a crime
has gone through the system and lost. Those records should definitely be
available to the public.
"BYU is BYU; let them handle their business as they will. Utah is Utah; let
them handle their business as they will. Live and let live."Then
why are you here discussing how BYU should handle its business?Do
you inject yourself into every conversation regarding a student who might have
been involved in underage drinking?
"BYU is BYU; let them handle their business as they will. Utah is Utah; let
them handle their business as they will. Live and let live."Although I agree with that, at least one Utah fan doesn't (i.e. the guy
who ratted on Hadley). If someone breaks a school rule, the school
should discipline them as they see fit according to the agreement that the
student made with the school. If it's a violation of the law, then the
student should answer to the law. I don't know a school other than BYU that
lives up to this mentality. P.S. The Monikers "Where is
Hadley" used by a ute fan on these boards is inappropriate and further fuels
the discord between BYU and Utah fans. For a ute fan to come on a BYU article
and tell BYU fans to live and let live, but then remain silent when Utah fans
don't "live and let live" looks bad.
A few folks here have no clue what they are talking about. The BYU Honor code
is not altered for athletes...in fact it is perhaps stricter for athletes. Sweep
under the rug....don't make me laugh. Public incidents happen from time to
time and just get more public when it is no ones' business. No one has the
right to question what goes on behind closed doors. No one has the right to
criticize any coach over incidents which are none of our business. How would
you feel if your integrity was destroyed in the public by folks who have no clue
what they are talking about? My personal(public) integrity has come as a result
of a life of hard work and service to others. You have no right to destroy that.
So let's take great care not to destroy the integrity of anyone else. As
for teaching folks correct principles and letting them choose for
themselves..great concept we all embrace, however we cannot forget the
consequences when we make bad choices. Please get it right. We do not know if
Jamaal made any bad choices...it is none of our business.
@souptwinsArrest records and convictions are not the same thing. SG
is talking about releasing arrest records before there is a conviction. All of
your scenarios were of people already convicted. I'm not sure if I agree
with SG or not but what he was advocating, and what you were trying to respond
about, were two different things altogether.
CG, where did I tell anyone "how BYU should handle its business?"I "injected" myself into the conversation when someone
"injected" criticism of a similar Utah policy of in-house discipline,
praising BYU's use of it, while citing Utah's as a cover-up.
CSD: "For a ute fan to come on a BYU article and tell BYU fans to live and
let live, but then remain silent when Utah fans don't 'live and let
live' looks bad."That would look bad if that's what I
did. However, I wasn't only telling BYU fans, but everyone. Also, the fact
that I actually said the following regarding Hadley's suspension
doesn't exactly support your accusation at all:"idablu:
"'Violation of team rules' is all we need to know." I agree
100%....When players land themselves in trouble with the law, it is
understandable that the information becomes public. For personal issues, there
should be no reason for publicizing, no matter how entitled fans, boosters, etc.
think they are to that knowledge. 8:40 p.m. Sept. 17, 2013"
I think that's the first comment I agree w/ 54-10 on. And our favorite
Uncle could learn fron just moving on.
Uncle Rico I never hear BYU pounding its chest. Students or alumni maybe.
The news media wants a story so they may also. There may be more to this
story in the future but right now it sounds like it has been handled.
Don't make it more or less than it is. I like the new policy because it
protects the student athlete.
"Moving on", the key theme here sounds nice. That said, I am not sure
this goes away quietly.
It's not likely that people outside the church will ever understand BYU,
much less the purpose of the honor code and its relationship to building
character, repentance, and forgiveness, or the relative impact of various
offenses against the honor code.Every situation is unique. Every
individual is unique. You can't pass sweeping judgments. I take
from Bronco's comments that Jamal handled it well by taking the initiative
to confess and take steps to ensure it never happens again. So
here's a guide for you Cougar-haters to spare you the embarrassment of
misjudging situations in the future:DUI, sexual harassment or rape,
or other felonies? Seriously serious. Expect suspension.Getting (someone)
pregnant out of wedlock? Very serious. Expect suspension.Lying, cheating,
stealing, and other character issues? Bad news. Depends on circumstances.Misdemenors? Getting drunk? Stupid sins of all sorts? Confess and forsake.In all cases, we're all human and make mistakes, and BYU and Bronco
understand that. The discipline imposed depends on the seriousness of the
offense and how long it takes to "repent," i.e. rectify the behaviors
and character issues involved.