After all the people President Steven Wheelwright forced into retirement, its a
surprise that athletics hasn't been dropped already.
Being that President Monson is the Chairman of the Board of Trustees of BYU, BYU
Hawaii, and Byu Idaho, I'll support the decisions they make. I've seen
some LDS people suggest BYU drop athletics. I'll go ahead and support
whatever President Monson decides. And yes, any major decision on athletics at
any church school would go before the Chairman of the Board.
As a former collegiate athlete for BYU-H I can tell you that this has been
talked about for quite a few years now. I really hope they don't go
through with the change. College athletics are a great part of the university
experience, not to mention all of the missionary work that is done among the
I'd like to see BYU Hawai'i follow the BYU Idaho model. Somewhat
related, division I college football and basketball have morphed into
essentailly professional athletics, creating conflict and hypocristy with the
mission of the BYU Provo campus.
my guess is...BYU Provo will drop out of the NCAA in the next decade as well. As
the NCAA moves more and more to Sunday play and the cost to recruit Division 1
coaches goes up and the Y is left out of a conference in Football ....BYU will
finally throw in the towell. Just a guess.
I have degrees from Ricks, SUU and BYU. I always gave to each school until
people messed with athletics. Ricks got its last nickel from me when it dropped
athletics. SUU got its last nickel when it dropped baseball. I give to BYU
because I'll always be a Cougar, but if BYU ever drops athletics, they can
go away.In Cedar City, we had a good baseball tradition. However,
the Snow College Mafia in charge there (former president, current AD) put SUU in
the Big Sky without considering what that would do to baseball. Then they
couldn't find us a baseball conference, so they dropped the program -- all
without so much as a word to the boosters. We went from planning a new baseball
stadium one week to "adios, beisbol" the next. Well, good for them ...
they're allowed to do that. But they better never again ask me for another
dime for athletics. I'd rather give it to Dixie State. At least Dixie has
baseball.If BYU-H drops athletics, they better consider what that
will do to annual giving. I'm not the only booster who feels this way.
@patriotI don't see BYU dropping NCAA Div 1 sports, let alone all
sports. The exposure BYU gets via their sports program is huge. As for money,
BYU sports are not funded by tithing, so essentially BYU sports is funded by the
success of their programs. They are very competitive in all major sports, and
are national leaders in some, e.g. rugby, volleyball. They have very strong
women's teams, too.The small schools, BYU-Idaho and Hawaii, are
off the radar in any case. Like countless small schools who don't have
significant intercollegiate sports, they will continue to serve their
educational missions. But I think that a sports team, not necessarily football,
is a fun and valuable part of the academic experience.Not happening
with BYU. It is big time and intends to stay that way.
Can sports only be vicariously experienced? Sports has a place, but
"coliseum" comes to mind for a reason. X's and o's should not
be placed next to solving world hunger as one of society's most noble
goals! Just because somebody wants to relive their childhood dreams doesn't
mean that tax payers should have to pay a 7 digit salary to a coach nor
construct a building on campus larger than a LAX landing strip. BYU-Idaho did
the right thing! BYU Provo could be up next.
I have not attended any of the BYU schools and have always found that BYU-Provo,
in particular, engages in a bit too much puffery about its academic reputation;
however, this move would increase my respect considerably for the BYU-cluster of
universities. If BYU- Provo would do the same a powerful message would be
conveyed about the real purpose of universities. In terms of "missionary
work," such a message would be far more effective that an occasional blurb
@bandersonUh....BYUs sports program is in no way supported by
"tax payers". If you want to try to make a point using that approach
then you need to go after the state run institutions that are supported by the
"tax payers". BYU is funded by private money.
It's just a matter of time.
TMR"If BYU- Provo would do the same [drop athletics] a powerful
message would be conveyed about the real purpose of universities."LOL!Your "powerful message" would have a media shelf life
of about a day, then BYU would disappear COMPLETELY off the national radar.
Don't drop any more sports at Church schools. Dropping sports at Ricks
College (BYU-I) was a bad idea. Nobody cares about the big basketball game
between the 333rd Ward and the 627th Ward. Students would care about a game
between BYU-I and Dixie or fill-in-the-blank. Like anything else,
intercollegiate sports has its warts, but it unites a student body like nothing
Dropping athletics at BYU - Hawaii is the dumbness thing I have ever heard of
and when they decided to drop athletics at BYU Idaho was the first dumbness
thing that was ever done. Who would want to go to a school that didn't
have these programs. Athletics at BYU puts BYU on the map throughout not only
the USA, but the world. Can't understand you people that thinks dropping
these programs is a good idea.
BYU-Hawai'i faces unique travel challenges for a small university. That
probably weighs the most heavily in their decision. Constant travel of multiple
teams to the mainland has to be financially draining, especially when they have
no real revenue generating sports source. Hate to see them do away with
athletics, but I can see the why they might choose to do so.
Can people stop referring to BYU as "BYU Provo." It's called BYU.
All colleges and universities should drop sports. It is not part of
their primary academic mission.All amateur sports should be club
sports.There is simply no need for college level sports.
What they should do is consider bringing back sports to BYU Idaho.
I personally don't care what BYU-H does with their athletic program. But
PLEASE BYU do not drop your sports! They are so much fun to be a part of, but it
wouldn't make any sense either. BYU sports is financially profitable,
brings attention to the school, and allows students to excel in their
talents.I know BYU is not considering it right now, but first it was
BYU-I, now it is BYU-H. I just hope BYU never even brings that up.
If it isn't making money get rid of it. Why should it be subsidized by
Until schools accept the Ivy League, or better yet Cal Tech's, model for
athletics, the tail will continue to wag the dog. Appealing to donors who have
little interest in the fundamental mission of a university and receiving money
from revenue sports are the primary reasons for current athletic programs.
BYUH and BYU have two very different athletic programs. Having attended both,
BYUH has no community and very little student attendance at the games. The
biggest supporting group is the senior missionaries at the PCC....very different
from the support found at BYU.
BYU's football team hasn't been the same since Ricks dropped sports.
Losing the farm team has been telling over the years. The College Formerly
Known as Ricks ought to start back up. They have a big enough enrollment and
would be a good Big Sky school for sports.
#1, The Church institution in Provo is called BYU. There is no Provo affixed to
it, as some have pointed out above. This is not a matter of being pretentious,
but rather just a matter of getting it right. It is like referring to Stanford
at Palo-Alto. We know Stanford is in Palo Alto. No need to clarify. BYU is in
Provo. We do not need to affix a place name to it.#2, What is the
fundamental mission of BYU? Who knows. The only way to really know is to be in
Thomas S. Monson's head. I personally think that athletics do a great deal
of good for BYU. It actually allows BYU to have a broader identity. #3 I know that since Ricks became BYU-Idaho, no one in my family has given
them one red cent. We are not BYU-Idaho alumni. We are a Ricks family.
BYU-H will most likely drop sports and I can understand why. If an LDS kid wants
to play sports at a small LDS school they can do so at Southern Virginia
University which is trying to grow their footprint in sports at the D3 level.
The cost must be very high to travel from Hawaii to the mainland. SVU will get
more publicity for the Church through sports then BYU-H. So all you west
coasters get ready to head to Buena Vista !!
You can still get Ricks College paraphernalia at the bookstore in Rexburg at the
College Formerly Known as Ricks.
TMRLos Angeles, CA"I have not attended any of the BYU
schools and have always found that BYU-Provo, in particular, engages in a bit
too much puffery about its academic reputation; however, this move would
increase my respect considerably for the BYU-cluster of universities."I graduated from Occidental College (the faux West Coast Ivy) where
Obama went for two years, and then received two graduate degrees from UCLA. I
refuse to donate to my alma maters. I have encouraged my younger
kids to attend and graduate from BYU. These experiences led to my conclusion
that the "marriage factory" label for BYU (as when I matriculated) is no
longer valid. And the concurrent dumbing down of ALL state schools'
curricula have led to the result that the schools I attended are now the
deficient ones.You want to see academic "puffery"? Pull some
recent PhD dissertations from these "state school" academic programs and
see for yourself the USELESS and irrelevant academic work being produced.
Where is the faith in our leaders? I'm a BYU-I alum who had a great
experience there. I support whatever decision President Monson signs off on. My
feeling is that BYU (Provo) will be the only church school with athletic teams
in the future because it is the only school that brings in revenue and
widespread national recognition with it's athletic program. But, whatever decision is made, I support it.
Dropping athletics at Ricks/BYU-I made no sense to me and still doesn't.
For a JC it had a terrific fan base and a lot of support. It makes more sense to
me to drop the athletics at BYU-H because I imagine the travel budget is
enormous, and it sounds like there isn't much fan/alumni support. Despite
that I wouldn't favor dropping athletics at any of the BYU schools.
Athletics is a very important part of the college experience in my opinion. I
know I, nor my kids, would attend a college that didn't have
intercollegiate sports. It is important to me.
I hear that the SEC schools are considering dropping academics from their sports
programs. Is there any truth to this rumor? Can anyone else
confirm?For what it's worth, Harvard seems to have done a nice
job making a name for itself outside the collegiate sports world, as has Yale
and several other academic institutions that haven't forgotten their
"I hear that the SEC schools are considering dropping academics from their
sports programs. Is there any truth to this rumor? Can anyone else
confirm?For what it's worth, Harvard seems to have done a nice
job making a name for itself outside the collegiate sports world, as has Yale
and several other academic institutions that haven't forgotten their
purpose."A quote this good needed to be said again
We could save money by having members clean churches. That way we could afford
to keep playing sports.Wait, what?
The worshippers of the god of sports are going to be unhappy.
Can it be that a college can actually be a college and not have a league-based
sports program?What a novel idea. The draw to BYU H has
never been its sports program. It is those lovely beaches, ideal climate and
the ocean. And, lest we forget, the PCC! Sports is probably a distant 4th as
students look at reasons to go to BYUH.
Many staunch BYU fans are not willing to see the writing on the wall. After
putting the basketball and all other sports programs under the bus for football
independence BYU will eventually drop Division I sports at BYU Provo. Truth is
BYU will never be admitted to a major conference because of Sunday play and will
continue it's decline to the point that it will be even more irrelevant
than it is now.
Dear TMR: There is no such university as BYU-Provo. There is a
university named BYU that happens to be located in Provo, UT.
I don't believe there is ANY intention or consideration whatsoever to have
BYU drop sports programs. They get a lot of really positive national attention
for the school.
This would be a very bad idea! Dropping sports at Ricks College was foolish and
shortsighted. What's next do away with music on campus?
It is probably a good idea considering the travel and expense. However sports
are an integral part of any education program. Speaking of BYU-Idaho the
opportunity it provides students is amazing as I understand it. Coaching
experience that you wouldn't find at any university. The opportunity to
referee etc. They have programs for several layers of students who want to go
into coaching or learning refereeing etc. Although I didn't agree with the
decision initially I do now. I feel bad for the student athletes who have been
planning on going there. There will probably be other opportunities for them
Moving funds from BYU-I elite athletics to BYU-I student (intramural) athletics
was genius. The same money that benefited a few, now benefits 100x as many
students. The same will happen at BYU-H. Nice to see a school(s) that puts
I am super sad about the decision. Farewell, Seasider athletics.
In a perfect world, BYU-Hawaii would play NCAA Division III in the Southern
California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference, and BYU-Idaho would play NCAA
Division III in the Northwest Conference. Unfortunately, both schools are
logistically challenged. Maybe NAIA. Hopefully, these decisions are
revisited.Intercollegiate athletics are an important part of the
college experience. My daughter attends BYU and her social life revolves around
the ROC Pass. Otherwise, you're no different than Rosie's College of
Hair. BYU's move to the West Coast Conference (and independent in
football) has been good. It seems like a good fit.
"New York Times features the BYU women's basketball team"The kind of positive publicity an athletic program is capable of generating
and one of the main reasons BYU will never drop athletics.
A Chicago judge has ruled student athletes at Northwestern University are
employees of the school and therefore may unionize. The NCAA is
currently being sued by a number of former college athletes who believe they
should be better compensated. Tom Holmoe and the BYU Board of
Trustees are well aware of what’s on the horizon and are getting ready for
the changes which will no doubt be occurring soon to college sports. But these changes are going to affect all schools, including state run
colleges like the U of U. Will all college athletic departments
eventually be phased out? I doubt it, but at the same time, I easily see more
and more schools like BYU-Hawaii getting rid of their sports teams. Locally,
BYU, Utah and Utah State will probably survive, but schools like SUU, Weber
State and UVU? Not sure. The more college athletes get paid, the greater
likelihood ticket prices for games will skyrocket and I’m not sure how
many people are going to pay $50, $75 or $100 to see Weber State play Sacramento
State or see SUU play Montana State.
As long as the Cougars stay competitive then there's no need to worry about
it being dropped. But there's a bigger danger to college sports arising in
the horizon, starting with the changes now happening with Northwestern
University unionizing their athletes to become paid employees of the school. If
that thing spreads across the nation, I'm not sure many school will be able
to afford doing that, thus spelling the end of their athletic programs. Once
football and basketball athletes start getting paid to play college sports, what
will keep back other athletes in other sports from wanting to join the chorus?
There's change coming to the college sports world and I'm not sure
it's all good.Btw, I went to BYU-H when it was CCH and I can
vouch to the lack of fan support for any sport events we had then and I'm
not sure that it got any better.
Let's face it. College spots is a huge financial drain regardless who or
where it is. Granted it generates revenue but consider this: to the best of my
knowledge the universities in the United Staes are the only universities in the
world that sponsor and promote college sports. The great universities
throughout the rest of the world do not have intercollegiate athletics but do it
on a club basis outside of the umbrella of the university. Look at the Olympics
and it seems that this practice hasn't hurt the universal community of
athletics. And academically these universities excel (that, of course, is a
It is a dumb idea to get rid of athletics at BYUH. It was dumb to do it at
Ricks. You now have a mostly female school in Idaho. Nothing wrong with that,
the young men who go there have a blast but I would never attend a school
without an athletic program. Whenever I go to the islands I always drop by BYUH
and pick up a seasider Jersey or hat etc. I say keep the programs.
edchttrtn : Who would want to go to a school that
don't have these programs ? Answer: Over 20,000 who attend
just one of those schools.
I feel for the people in the Rexburg area (BYU Idaho) from what I have heard and
understand that community really loved their sports programs. Not to mention I
am sure the students got behind their team as well. BYU sports in general is
often referred to by both football and basketball coach's as being a great
ambassador for the university. (BYU Provo) I agree with "Tilka" they
need to strongly consider bringing back sports to (BYU Idaho). If indeed (BYU-H)
sports programs are being shutdown it will be considered "elsewhere".
BYU-Provo will drop it's athletics before too long, they just can't
compete in the real world of athletics anymore. They fail to recruit local
kids, they fail to see the reality of their situation, and before too long they
won't even be able to get Idaho to come down and play them.BYU-Provo,
the writing is on the wall, I'd give it 10 years and BYU-Provo will no
longer have athletics.
"stupid is as stupid does". Dropping sports at BYU-I was a DUMB
decision. Was then, still is!
BYU does not play sports on Sunday. Never did...never will! That is just one
reason why sports will never die at BYU. We might be hated in the minds of
many, but BYU is one of the most respected universities in the entire country.
We stand for something and our sports teams STAND FOR SOMETHING. Just look at
the way so many lives have been changed for the better because of the kind of
people we have watching over these special student athletes. BYU is the
lighthouse to many who are not members of the church. Let the lower lights be
burning; send a gleam across the wave. We are here to rescue and to save. With
BYU's lead, you will see others who will follow. Even Mark Few of Gonzaga
mentioned during the WCC tournament that not playing on Sunday was a good
thing...and wished they wouldn't ever play on Sunday. Thanks BYU for being
that leader and lighthouse to the world!
BYU Womens Soccer Coach Jennifer Rockwood will need to change her practice of
recruiting ONLY UT players. She won't be able to ship her out-of-state
rejects to BYU-Hawaii Anymore. Two yrs ago, she got commitments from 8
sophomore HS players- ALL FROM UT & 6 of the 8 from the same SPARTA club
team. So while attending BYU's next womens soccer team, you're safe
to YELL Code Word SPARTA & See who LOOKS. What a JOKE! The continued
Inbreeding & Neopotism in BYU's athletics is Unfathomable &
Ridiculous! (Most of the Starting Players on BYU's Mens Basketball team
all grew-up in Alpine, & the Provo/Orem Area. It's No Wonder why BYU
couldn't make it out of the 1st round of March Madness. We NEED BROs-
DUH!!) BYU's AThletic Recruiting is embarrassing. We Pay $$Tithing in CA
too. Tons of it!!!!!
Nate in the 808-I believe that many of those "forced" into
retirement had effectively already retired. He just stopped paying them like
they were working.Anyone the church sent to clean things up would have
probably done the same. Your beef is with the Church, not president wheelwright.
Old But Not StupidMoorpark, CA"I have encouraged my
younger kids to attend and graduate from BYU."Hmmmmm...would
that be byu-P, byu-I, or byu-H?
thebigsamoanRichmond, VA"[T]here's a bigger danger to
college sports arising in the horizon, starting with the changes now happening
with Northwestern University unionizing their athletes to become paid employees
of the school. If that thing spreads across the nation, I'm not sure many
school will be able to afford doing that, thus spelling the end of their
athletic programs."Tom Holmoe, at byu-P, has already voiced his
support to pay players. That's where the major conference are headed and
Homoe at byu-P wants in.
plyxplyReality:BYU football - nine straight bowl
gamesUtah football - two straight bowl less, losing seasonsBYU
men's basketball - 7 of 9 Rose-era seasons in the Big Dance, with a Sweet
Sixteen and NPOYUtah men's basketball - literally one-game-and-done
in the last 9 seasonsBYU women's basketball - playing in the
Sweet Sixteen this weekUtah women's basketball - another losing
seasonIn the 20+ years of the Directors' Cup, which measure
overall athletic success of all men's and women's sports, Utah has
NEVER finished ahead of BYU; in fact, BYU worst finish EVER, is BETTER than
Utah's best finish EVER!It's quite obvious which athletic
program actually competes in the real world, and which program is only
competitive under that crimson-colored bubble on the hill.
MyPerspectiveThere is no such thing as BYU-Provo, it's simply
BYU.The other campuses might be considered "extentions" of
BYU's campus, but BYU is not an extension of itself.Since
BYU's athletic programs are self-supporting, there's no danger that
paying players would endanger BYU's athletic programs, but there is a
danger that the tax payers may not be willing to continue supporting Utah's
"BYU-Provo will drop it's athletics before too long, they just
can't compete in the real world of athletics anymore."You've got to love comments like these. RIGHT NOW the Cougars have a
women's basketball team in the sweet 16, a men's volleyball team
ranked #2 in the country, a rugby team looking for back-to-back national titles,
etc. In the two big money sports the cougars have consistently gone bowling and
dancing over the last several years. Not only is BYU far and away
the best all-around collegiate sports program in the state of Utah, they are the
top program in the entire intermountain west area. Here are the top
ten teams in the region (Director's cup standings for last year): 43. BYU51. New Mexico55. Denver56. Colorado73. Air
Force 77. Utah87. UNLV122. Montana State139. Weber
STate150. Colorado StateGot to love the jealousy on the hill.
LJohnsonYou're obviously a little disconnected from reality.
BYU's last two recruiting classes, bolstered by Lone Peak HS players, were
ranked in the Top 20 NATIONALLY. BYU didn't make it out of the 1st round
this year because one of their key players from Provo suffered a season-ending
ACL in the conference championship. BYU's women's soccer team made it
to the Elite Eight last season and was highly ranked this season.
BYU Idaho (Ricks) dropped athletics because of its isolation. Mesa Community
College, Snow College and others got tired of riding a bus for 25 hours only to
have their heads handed to them on the field or court. Nobody in their
conference wanted to play them, but BYU-I was not quite at the level of other
schools in the region like Idaho, Idaho State, Montana, etc. I wonder if now,
with the huge enrollment, BYU-I could step up to a WAC or Big Sky level. As a
sports fan, I don't understand the church's intention to eliminate
intercollegiate sports unless it feels there are better ways to use church
funds. The church is responsible to the membership for prudent use of
contributions, and obviously, there are millions of members around the world who
could care less if a BYU team makes the Sweet 16.
Ray E.LITTLETON, CO"Nobody in their conference wanted to
play them, but BYU-I was not quite at the level of other schools in the region
like Idaho, Idaho State, Montana, etc."byu-p has its own
challenges when it comes to conferences.
silentone"Many staunch BYU fans are not willing to see the
writing on the wall."The only "writing on the wall" we
"see", is the mass of a PAC 12 stickers Utah fans continue to plaster
all over everything in sight to take their minds off of the fact that their
football and basketball teams haven't accomplished anything since joining
After having attended BYU-Idaho when the sports program had been disbanded and
became more intra-mural based, a few things happened. School "spirit"
that comes from athletics dropped, but the overall mission of the university was
greatly supported. I had experiences running the basketball program, coaching,
and playing in the league that I never would have had if they hadn't
changed it. I do hope that BYU doesn't get rid of their sports, but when
the Prophet speaks on those issues (like he did at BYU-Idaho) I follow and make
the best of it. I think BYU-Hawaii will be just fine and may even impact more
people than just the fun of attending games.
MyPerspectiveWhat's so great about being in a "big boy"
conference, if all you are is cannon fodder for the big boys of the
conference?9-18 in football17-37 in basketballsince volunteering to be a PAC 12 punching bag.The truth is,
Utah's football heyday happened in the MWC and their basketball heyday
occurred in the WAC.Except for a couple of individual game upsets,
the Utes haven't done anything in either sport since joining the PAC.
Marked it DownPark City, UTdeductive reasoningArlington,
VA"The only "writing on the wall" we "see", is
the mass of a PAC 12 stickers Utah fans continue to plaster all over everything
in sight..." Those stickers really annoy you people, don't
they. LOL! The football and basketball teams are very much on our minds and we
are proud to be playing against the top competition in the land. Go
Utes!!Go Pac-12!!Good luck byu-p!
Ask Florida State if the University runs their football operation or if it is a
private corporation who does it. Maybe if the church would turn intercollegiate
sports at BYU-I and BYU-H to a private business enterprise and still maintain
the honor code for all athletes (So. Virginia Univ) we would have a thriving
program for sports at those schools. Then as they see the success of the
program, they could also go private at BYU....and make a ton of $$$$!
I was at Ricks coaching when we lost the program. Numerous students who would
have had a great opportunity to play in a great junior college program now go to
other schools that simply don't offer what Ricks College did. We had a
great intramural program here with hundreds participating. We now have more
participating because the studentbody has doubled in size. An English professor
once said to me, "I don't see why we have athletics at Ricks,what does
it do for anyone?" My reply was, "I don't see why we have Enlish
classes at Ricks. I learned how to speak it without ever taking a class."
Two dumb statements, mine included. Most people who are against intercollegiate
sports never coached them and never played them, with no clue about the
incredible relationship between athletes and coaches. Countless former Ricks
athletes have been or are great leaders. Many joined the Church here. Every
athlete that was inducted into the Ricks College Hall of Fame has openly talked
about their spiritual and academic growth while attending school here. We lost
a precious gem.
ScoresIdaho Falls, ID"...Then as they see the success of the
program, they could also go private at BYU....and make a ton of $$$$!"Are you referring to byu-provo?
Abolishing Student body government and now abolishing athletics.What's next ? No more going to the beach for the Seasiders.
Old Ricks coach,Appreciated your personal insight, just wondering when
they shut down the sports program was the decision a financial based decision?
Or as has been mentioned difficulty in alining with conference competition. BYU
was the recipient of a lot of great Ricks Junior college athletes that finished
their playing careers in Provo.
It would be interesting to see what would happen if the Board of Trustees was
presented with a proposal from boosters/alumni that would fully fund
intercollegiate athletics at BYU-I (with a limited slate of teams that would be
Title IX compliant). Especially if that proposal didn't
require the BOT to take any action until funds had been raised to establish an
endowment that would ensure funding for the first few years.I would
anticipate in the year or two it would take them to fund the endowment, they
could line up a contingent invitation to a conference (e.g. WAC or MtW).
MyPerspectiveSalt Lake City, UTOld But Not StupidMoorpark, CA"'I have encouraged my younger kids to attend and
graduate from BYU.'""Hmmmmm...would that be byu-P,
byu-I, or byu-H?"Uhhh, which do you think? Seems like only the
rash and envious crimson crowd of the university of utah can't seem to get
the BYU, BYU-I, and BYU-H distinctions. In case you missed the point
of the comment I would not financially support ANY state school. I see them all
as sterile, politically correct, and academically "dumbed down." Sort
of a waste of the taxpayer dollar.
With an athletic program, BYU-ID would be a good fit for the Big Sky Conference.
Both my husband and I played intercollegiate sports while at BYU-I (when it was
Ricks College) and now our daughter plays for the BYU-Hawaii Volleyball Team
which took 2nd Place in the Nation in NCAA Div 2 competition this year. How sad
to see both of these schools eliminate their sports programs. Admission to
BYU-Provo is rigorous and not every athlete can qualify for BYU-Provo or wants
to play Division 1 sports because of the extreme commitments involved. There
should be a place for the different levels of athletes within the CES system,
and surely no one can argue that intramural sports are a true replacement for
inter-collegiate competition. The benefits of competition,identity,
sportsmanship and community that they can bring to a campus are so valuable! I
hope BYU-H changes course and saves their programs.
Several thoughts come to mind on college athletics.IF the NFL and
NBA would fund a developmental league or leagues, academically challenged post
high school students could be drafted into developmental programs and stop the
charade of being college student-athletes. See UNC as an example of the
charade.Recruit students who happen to be athletically talented and
stop trying to make a silk purse (student) out of a sow's ear (athlete).
Find similarly minded-institutions and develop your own league or even
association and get rid of the NCAA. This is the way it used to be folks. The face and nature of intercollegiate athletics in changing, and has
changed in the half-century since I attended my first BYU Football game against
George Washington U., we lost as I recall. It may not be in the best interests
of THE University of Utah (BYU) to continue to associate with a corrupt or
becoming corrupted system.Change is hard sometimes, but after the
pain comes the gain. We aren't in the leadership, so we can
choose either to follow or get out of the way, in my not so humble opinion.
College athletics is really just a side show. If they went away the
universities would continue to educate their students and students would find
other activities to entertain them.
flatlander"College athletics is really just a side show. If they
went away the universities would continue to educate their students and students
would find other activities to entertain them."And there would
be NOTHING for sports fans in Nebraska to get excited about - no bowl games, no
NCAA tournament, no college world series. Nothing but endless rows of corn.BORING!
If the issue is not financially related then quite frankly it's a dumb idea
(at best)... We really need to have the Brethren stay out of the athletic
departments... They have done more damage to our Church School's reputation
via the decisions that they have made in athletics (i.e. shutting down Sports
Programs out of Rexburg, playing hard to get with the Big 12, and now this) in
just the past 10 years than has been done on an accumulative basis since the
beginning of the sports programs back in the late 1800s.The stated
objectives for our sports programs has been to give exposure to the church,
garner the attention of those who follow sports around the country and even the
world, and to compete at the highest levels with the best qualified talent...The three decisions that I have enumerated and that the brethren have
been involved in is the absolute opposite of what we should be doing if we wish
to reach our stated Goals and Objectives.
I am frankly stunned at this prospect. I might have thought that maybe it was
the travel money - but those folks having said it isn't, then what? I was
PR/SID for some years at BYUH, and I know our winning teams made a positive
impact on other schools and the community at large. To be national champs in
some sports is no small thing either. That school is small and isolated on the
north shore of Oahu, but it is athletics that helps bring it out of obscurity,
give it respect, that and the PCC. I think we can have great sports and focus
on scholarship too, a symbiotic relationship. I traveled with the women's
VB team to the mainland for some tourneys once, had the pleasure of writing
their story, They demanded respect from mainland teams as well as local ones.
Classic games and national notoriety speak volumes as to whether any sport
should be phased out - unless it has any negative impact. And I can't see
any. How did this talk get started? The Church becomes more real to people
when they can see our schools can compete athletically too.