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Sen. Orrin Hatch: Affordable Care Act disastrous — We need real change

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  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 23, 2014 12:10 a.m.

    Yeah, but that's your view. And your expiry date came and went a long time ago.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    March 23, 2014 12:15 a.m.

    But the fact is, there are many outstanding health care systems which we could copy, from Canada to Europe. Senator Hatch's party could have proposed any of them but will have none of them. Why? Answer: to protect the medical industrial complex.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 23, 2014 12:16 a.m.

    In the nineties, the Heritage Foundation designed a national healthcare plan as an alternative to the Clinton plan. The Heritage proposal was the model for both Obamacare and Romenycare. Orrin Hatch was one of many Republicans who endorsed it. Other notable supporters included Newt Gingrich, Bob Dole and Dick Lugar.

  • El Chango Supremo Rexburg, ID
    March 23, 2014 12:17 a.m.

    Amen!!

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    March 23, 2014 12:26 a.m.

    The ACA allows my son to have potentially life-saving surgery without bankrupting his young family. His wife has health insurance for the first time in her life. Both shed tears of joy. All due respect to William and Debbie, for every story like theirs there are stories with the opposite outcome.

    Another son and his wife fall into Utah's doughnut hole and are now an emergency away from bankruptcy. Give us workable solutions Senator Hatch. Your latest proposal doesn't cut it.

  • Capsaicin Salt Lake City, UT
    March 23, 2014 1:39 a.m.

    I have said it a million times. How do you drive down the PRICE of medical procedures without some kind of competition or price regulation. Since the government can't regulate the price of a service outside of taxing it, how is it possible that anyone thought the ACA was going to solve a problem? Forcing people on to expensive insurance plans doesn't force medical service providers to lower costs. Forcing service providers and insurance providers to provide for children until their 26 drives up costs. Canceling insurance plans and forcing people on to plans is increasing the cost. Forcing businesses to provide health care increases costs. I don't understand how any of this is going to fix the fundamental problem. Service providers don't control their own costs, exist in a largely non-competitive environment. When a family receives a bills for $10's of thousands of dollars for a couple nights stay at the hospital, you know SOMETHING is wrong. Hospitals are NOT controlling costs, because they don't have to. They raise prices, pass it on to the insurance. Insurance isn't vetting the care that was received or disputing the excessive costs.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 23, 2014 6:42 a.m.

    Wow. Amazing.

    Mr Hatch blasts the ACA throughout this whole piece, talks about repealing and replacing, but does not mention even one time the proposed legislation that he co-sponsored.

    Patient Choice, Affordability, Responsibility and Empowerment Act, or CARE. - written by Coburn, Hatch and Burr

    Why would you not mention that Mr Hatch? Could it be because it was BLASTED by many conservatives?

    Mr Hatch proved first hand that it is easier and safer to complain, than to propose actual solutions.

  • slcdenizen t-ville, UT
    March 23, 2014 6:46 a.m.

    "We need real change"

    And... nothing. No proposals or ideas presented. Has the Republican party always been the party of opposing ideas in place of creating their own, or just these past 6 years? All that is heard from conservatives lately is blame and whining about Democrats without any emphasis on their plan if they were to win the Senate and White House. Being completely neutral and nonpartisan, please someone explain this phenomenon. I was very willing to vote for Mitt Romney during the last election, but he never presented an alternative to Obamacare. This is beneath the dignity of those striving for public service. Even a bad idea is still an idea that can be debated and criticized, but the absence of ideas is truly worrisome, especially when so many DN readers seem to be cheerleaders for those same non-ideas. Let's repeal Obamacare, great. Then what?

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    March 23, 2014 6:53 a.m.

    On the other hand, there's my friend Todd who has a congenital heart defect who for the first time in his life has been able to have health insurance. ACA has warts and beauty marks. Ultimately, the public must decide what it wants to do with our health system and health insurance. To talk about ACA as if there is nothing good about it is patently dishonest.

  • West Coast1 Secane, PA
    March 23, 2014 7:14 a.m.

    The real problem with health care is that it is too expensive! It doesn't matter if the insurance pays for it, you pay for it, or your grandma pays the bill for you. Healthcare just costs too much money.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    March 23, 2014 7:38 a.m.

    "But unfortunately there’s an attitude of denial by President Obama and many of his friends in Washington, who continue to claim that Obamacare is actually working."
    ----------------------

    I think I'll send this to Ellen. Hopefully the stories of suffering will prompt her to reevaluate Obamacare and tell him how it **really** is the next time he comes on her show.

  • E. Hindman Ogden, UT
    March 23, 2014 7:38 a.m.

    I guess it is easy for Hatch and the GOP to criticize when they did not seem to have a a concern for the uninsured prior to ACA.
    I did egg to keep my same doctors and my same plan.

  • Wilf 55 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 23, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    A few anecdotal cases, even if true, are not sufficient to convince that the whole of ACA is "disastrous". The whole matter is much more complex and the cases of succesful application are numerous for people who for the first time in their life now have affordable health care and will not go bankrupt.

    A better assessment is to compare with countries that have the best universal health care in the world, like France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Scandinavian countries, and others. ACA may not yet be perfect for all, but give it some time and support to become perfect, rather than try to destroy it with an anecdote.

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    March 23, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    Hey Orrin! How about spending as much time telling us just what your "patient-based health care reforms — such as the Patient CARE Act proposal" will offer as you do bad mouthing the ACA. I have been receiving your "Hatch Dispatch" online for months and have yet to see you tell us what you plan will do, but have volumes of what is wrong with ACA. If it is so great, give it some press, your present agenda makes me think you are more interested in foiling the POTUS than you are of implementing yours or any other health care program! How about putting your money errr proposal where your mouth is!

  • JMH Provo, UT
    March 23, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    When you write an op-ed like this you open yourself up to the attacks of those with a political agenda counter to the author. But the fact remains that ACA was not ready to be implemented, the taxes that are included were backloaded to try and gain support early, the deductibles will have to skyrocket and now it appears that the insurance companies will have to be bailed out.

    Nothing is free in this world and ACA just tried to shift the costs from one group to another. Those that benefitted from this transfer will applaud the law and those that get stuck with a higher premium and a higher tax bill will complain. Anytime you pass any piece of major legislation on a strictly partisan manner, no matter which party, it is bad legislation. As Hatch has indicated, there are some good things in ACA but it needs to be either repealed or majorly reformed and done in a manner that gains votes from both sides of the aisle. But the Democrats in Congress are afraid to open the bill up for amending because they will not like the result.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    March 23, 2014 8:58 a.m.

    It is interesting that some posers still promote single payer - when it obviously does not work in Canada, England, etc.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    March 23, 2014 9:08 a.m.

    My view of William's family of St George; first it was not Obama who canceled his employer's insurance plan. It was the greed of the employer who cut his insurance and his daughter lost her doctor. The William Family should have found insurance that the doctor would have accepted. Second, his daughter's condition degraded because they did not properly exchange information between the two doctors, as simple as having the two doctors call each other. Third; Who typically gets all the cost that the William family could not afford? YOU and I that is who. We get the cost passed onto us because the William family does not have enough money and insurance to pay. We bare the burden of the bulk of his daughter's treatment. Under ACA the insurance company has to pay.

    William family needs to be grateful that they will not lose their home, will not go bankrupt and cannot be denied coverage.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 23, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    Who is going to pay for all the insurance subsidies? YOU WILL, if you pay taxes or already have healthcare insurance! Why else do you think insurance premiums, co-pays and deductibles are exploding for millions of other Americans? All Obamacare has done is increase healthcare cost while lowering the quality, period!

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    March 23, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    "My view: ACA disastrous — We need real change"

    Well you're half right. We need real change. It would be nice if "Conservatives" underwent a paradigm shift and focused on what is best for the nation for a change, instead of blindly embracing the hate rhetoric of FOX "NEWS" and Rush Limbaugh.

    But what's the chance of "Conservatives" becoming real Conservatives? . . . probably not great. They are too used to being "Conservatives."

    Face it folks. The ACA is a wonderful boon for this nation. The good Ol' USA has finally begun to crawl out from the hole dug for us by plutocrat-controlled regressive, reactionary Conservatism.

    For years now, we have had the highest health care costs with only middling results. Something had to be done, and Lord knows the Republicans were not inclined to do anything to improve the health care situation in this nation.

    Thankfully, President Obama and the Democrats took charge and got something done. And that is a true blessing for this nation and its people.

    Thank you President Obama, and thank you wise Democrats in Congress for sacrificing political capital to benefit nation. Contrary to what FOX "NEWS" would say, these are truly Great Americans.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 23, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    "All Obamacare has done is increase healthcare cost while lowering the quality, period!"

    Thid, lets have a general discussion on healthcare. Lets pretend that Obamacare never existed.
    And lets leave partisanship out of it and just focus on the facts and see what conclusions can be reached. Fair enough?

    I consider these as facts. Do you disagree? If so, explain.
    Baby boomers are retiring and the number of people on Medicare is increasing and will continue increasing.
    People are living longer
    The cost of healthcare has been steadily increasing for many years now.

    So, these are my basis for discussion.

    Given these, and looking at the projections of the cost of Medicare alone, any analysis would have to conclude that it is unsustainable.

    So, I see three options.
    Decrease Medicare services (higher age, less coverage)
    Increase tax to pay for it
    reduce the overall costs

    What other options are there?

    Since costs seem to be escalating, isnt that the most logical piece to focus on?

    We need a plan to address the cost of healthcare.

    If we can agree on that, then we have a starting point going forward.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 23, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    @JoeBlow
    Far East USA, SC

    Wow. Amazing.

    Mr Hatch blasts the ACA throughout this whole piece, talks about repealing and replacing, but does not mention even one time the proposed legislation that he co-sponsored.

    Patient Choice, Affordability, Responsibility and Empowerment Act, or CARE. - written by Coburn, Hatch and Burr

    ==========

    Because,
    That would be precisely as him saying --

    "If you like your Obamacare, you can keep you Obamacare", that's why.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 23, 2014 10:29 a.m.

    To Counter Intelligence: "It is interesting that some posers still promote single payer - when it obviously does not work in Canada, England, etc."

    Both of those countries spend half as much on healthcare as we do, yet they have healthier populations as a result. Your definition of "does not work" is obviously not reality based.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    March 23, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    "Utah's Time to Lead"

    Orrin's slogan was funny, and inaccurate. This is my opinion. I agree Orrin, We Need real change.

    Utah's delegation in Washington act like a bunch of pandering monkeywrenchers trying to invalidate the will of the American People (in my opinion). Enjoy Our next President, Orrin! I know I will!

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 23, 2014 11:46 a.m.

    How can it be a disaster when the CBO has projected a reduction in unemployment and reduction in health care costs, including insurance premiums, due to the ACA. To me a disaster is when Bob Bennett lost his job in congress and Orrin Hatch kept his job in congress.

  • West Coast1 Secane, PA
    March 23, 2014 11:53 a.m.

    Bad government policies, corporate greed, "non-profit" hospitals that in reality make millions, frivolous lawsuits and other ambulance chasing lawyers, medical school that costs 1/2 million dollars. This is a small sampling of why the healthcare costs too much.

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    March 23, 2014 11:53 a.m.

    "Sen. Orrin Hatch: Affordable Care Act disastrous — We need real change"

    I agree Sen. Hatch! We do need real change. Let's start with term limits for congress.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 23, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    In other words -- Obamacare-light.

    Conservatives; Like driving down a freeway using a rear view mirror.
    always looking 'backwards', in a world that's always moving 'forward'.

  • Henderson Orem, UT
    March 23, 2014 3:52 p.m.

    Orrin Hatch was for Obamacare before he was against it.

    Back when Obamacare was a republican idea, he loved it. But once a Democrat proposed it since his single payer system wasn't going to pass, Orrin suddenly flip flopped and began to hate it.

    Lastly, I love how a man who literally has spent his entire career living off my hard work now has the nerve to attack me for wanting just basic health care. While I've spent years working 24/7 365, hatch has spent a few weeks per year doing photo opts. He has nearly $8 million in his offshore bank and has the nicest health care plan for life.

    I'll never see $8 million, I have a high deductible, and my plan goes away when I stop working. Maybe I would agree that the ACA I bad once Orrin joins me in the private sector and actually produces something.

    Until then Orrin, enjoy your Cadillac health care plan. Most of us don't have anything half as good as you do. I guess we are just the "entitled" bunch while you're the real "producer."

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    March 23, 2014 4:33 p.m.

    The "at least the democrats and Obama did something" excuse is a bad one. The fact it that insurance premiums are rising much quicker then they were before. Maybe this is why the republicans didn't put this legislation up before. They knew it would fail.

    For those few stories of recently insured, congrats. But can you explain that to the over four million who lost their insurance and even more who lost their doctors. Doesn't feel like a fair sacrifice.

    If you know anything about the social medicine systems of other countries then you surely know that most of those people also pay for private insurance as well. A two tiered system. Even more, the haves and the have nots. Aren't you libs trying to make everyone the same. It is a "right" isn't it?

    Torte reform, making citizens responsible for following and analyzing their bills and competition are just some of the ways to make healthcare cheaper.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 23, 2014 5:52 p.m.

    Never underestimate the desire of many Americans for "free stuff" or their fantasy that someone else can and will pay for it.

    Hatchis right, Obamacare needs to be repealed. Other than that, he has failed to stop that wretched bill despite his self-proclaimed legislative power, and failed to reveal any substitute plan. We could have elected a new Senator in 2012 and gotten no worse results.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    March 23, 2014 6:08 p.m.

    The British system is said to be in such trouble they are considering trying private medicine again. Govt medicine by design will be corrupt and inadequate and workers will not have much incentive to work. Another government boondoggle. You don't like what we have now? Don't complain and blame Bush for all your future troubles.

  • Dr. Thom Long Beach, CA
    March 23, 2014 7:14 p.m.

    The ACA plan that my family has costs YOU not ME $875 dollars per month ($10,500 per year), has a $6,000 per person deductible per year ($12,000 per family) and will only be a benefit if someone in my family has a catastrophic medical issue that exceeds the deductible. Everything else is out of pocket until the annual deductible is reached. So in essence, it's health insurance we can't afford to use but cheaper than paying the government the $450 tax fine since $0 dollars is better than the $875 monthly premium.

    My son who is 23 found out that his ACA healthcare would cost him $927 a year ($81 per month) but is also catastrophic. The fine would be $120, so guess what he is going to do.

    As Kevin. Bacon said in a "Few Good Men" that "these are the facts, and they are undisputed."

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    March 23, 2014 8:00 p.m.

    Republicans have been saying that we need change in the health care system for decades, but they never seem to offer any ideas, and when they did in 1992, they disowned it when Obama adopted many of their ideas such as the individual mandate as proposed by Newt Gingrich and the American Heritage Foundation. What we need is a political party that has real ideas and puts their money where their mouths are.

  • Red San Antonia, TX
    March 23, 2014 8:15 p.m.

    Orin,

    You had a front row seat to this whole mess.

    I didn't hear you standing up and stating that this whole plan was a disaster and that we were being lied to.

    This is, thankfully, your last term. What do you have to lose? It's time to take a stand or two for a few things. call a spade a spade. Tell America the truth!

    You have a real chance to be a credible voice, but so far you have walked a very soft line.

    Do us all a favor and take a lesson or two from the other leaders in Utah and make a difference.

    this is your last chance to leave a legacy other than a few lyrics to songs.

    Thanks bro.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    March 23, 2014 9:29 p.m.

    This is a Republican Senator being quoted by a Republican regional news organization.

    I appreciate the DN letting DN readers know just what Republicans are thinking/doing.

  • Ben O. West Valley City, UT
    March 23, 2014 9:47 p.m.

    Capitalism is by far the fastest and most effective way to provide what people want most. Limits to capitalism almost always result in reducing competition which in turn allows providers to raise prices. Combine that with the fact that we will pay almost anything to save a family member's life and health care costs get out of control.

    Businesses protect profits by reducing competition and trying to create legal monopolies, which is really all the health care industry is trying to protect. They claim that socialization of medicine will reduce options, increase costs, and diminish service. I believe they are right. Instead, of giving government control, or protecting big business, why not mandate openness.

  • Ben O. West Valley City, UT
    March 23, 2014 9:47 p.m.

    Why not say that because health care is so critical to human dignity it should be pushed to commodity status as quickly as possible? Why not make everyone in the medical supply chain from care givers all the way back to the mine processing ore show their costs? Instead of protecting them with legislation let them be exposed to pure competition.

    I'm not saying we have to do away with patents, but even patents expire eventually. Soon enough overpriced equipment, medicines, and services would be very affordable.

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    March 23, 2014 10:56 p.m.

    It's so funny to see democrats defending the ACA by saying the Heritage foundation proposed it first. I mean come on Dems is the ACA what you hoped for? NO! and is it really what was proposed years ago? No!

    Whats sad is the democrats could try this on a state level first and see if it works. Oh wait they did and they had a republican sign it into law. Massachusetts was a great example and the reality is it failed.

    Now onto the proposal by Orrin. First of all it would remove the business tax credit that gives corporate and union plans an advantage over small business owners and walmart employees in purchasing insurance. It would encourage health savings which is by far the best way to handle the issue of healthcare. Finally it would turn tax dollars over to the states in block grants to fund medicaid for the poor, disabled and elderly. Local control works better for helping each states unique demographics. Come on Dems its time to admit the ACA failed and that Orrins plan is better than any proposal yet!

  • athena salt lake, UT
    March 23, 2014 11:07 p.m.

    I find it laughable that Hatch claims to want to do a thing about the ACA. Where was he when Senator Ted Cruz was taking a stand against this monstrosity and trying to get it delayed because it was not ready? Now that we have all been damaged by this and chaos reigns in medicine he comes out with this. I wish the people who keep pointing out that the Netherlands, Canada and the UK supposedly have such awesome health care systems would educate themselves a bit. They have been able to do these things because we have been willing to bear the military expenses of the Western world. With Russia on the march over there and us abandoning allies left and right, how long do you think they can continue? Ask the Crimea how the whole "depend on the USA for your protection" thing is going. Am I surprised that a bunch of people who could not pay their way are happy that they are now having someone else pay for them? NO. Sadly, we have way too many people in this country who are happy to have the government rob their neighbors for their benefit.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    March 24, 2014 1:26 a.m.

    Re:Dr.Thom

    You are entiitled to at least one yearly preventive care Dr. visit, not subject to any deductible.

    Why is your son shopping for his own plan? Since he is not yet 26 yrs he could be covered on your plan.

  • UT Brit London, England
    March 24, 2014 1:50 a.m.

    @What in Tucket?

    Errrr you do know that Britain has a two tier healthcare system right? The NHS and a private system? This has been in place for several decades. Do you know anything about UK healthcare?
    Having lived in the States and the UK I can tell you from personal experience that the US healthcare system is a mind boggling disaster. I have private insurance with my work but have never needed to use it. The NHS has been excellent for myself and my family. The NHS is far from perfect and there is lots of room for improvement but it covers every single person in the UK and is far more efficient than the US system.

    Every first world country has some form of universal healthcare apart from the US. Why is no one rushing to copy you?

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    March 24, 2014 3:07 a.m.

    Is there any way to fact check the stories of William ...........? And Debbie's ...........? Story?
    Since the Deseret News published it perhaps Senator Hatch could give a Deseret News Reporter their last name so an independent source could verify their numbers they gave Senator Hatcg?

  • Ex-Pat of Zion Lititz, PA
    March 24, 2014 7:06 a.m.

    The most striking omission in the Senator's first example appears to me the absence of communication between the physicians if the patient's medical history is as complex as conveyed. I know with as many doctors as I've gone through in moving from place to place, one of the first things requested by the new practice is consent to release medical records. The fact that I've had to switch practices a handful of times because (at least early on) my old doctor was "out of network" when my EMPLOYER switched carriers.

    Yes, BHO over promised and under delivered on the "you can keep it" promise. There are lame arguments from both the right and the left in the arena Hatch is playing. I've referred to it as the "clown sideshow in ring number 1" in the circus that is American politics.

    The right continually chides the left about entitlements and the "nanny" state when it comes to entitlements. Maybe the right should set an example by taking personal responsibility for their own health care when it comes to provider succession planning. That is a fact of life independent of what kind of system we subject to

  • G-Day-M8 WVC, UT
    March 24, 2014 7:14 a.m.

    The health system prior to obama care was not perfect but it was very good. Who decided that what we had needed to be changed by a whole new legislation? Not me for sure.

    I'm uninsurable and self employed so my wife was the provider of insurance for me through her work. I understand the risk of bankruptcy due to medical problems but for the most part the system worked.

    This wholesale change is not even close to what we had before. It's a disastrous mess and I'm not so sure it was not by design. What the progressives always wanted was a single payer system and because we can't go back and ACA is a bust the next thing is single payer.

    Bottom line is, if the car needs some repair, just trade it in on wreck and then you'll be clamoring for big brother to buy you a new car at the expense of others, or even better yet, just ask the federal reserve to create money from nothing and put it on the national credit card.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    March 24, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    Senator Hatch - many of us tried to get real change when you last ran for re-election, and we failed to get you out.

    You are not an instrument of change. Your words are empty.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    March 24, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    Screaming to Repealing Obamacare works here in Utah, on Faux News and right wing radio but it won't work with mainstream America. It's more likely Orrin Hatch will be gone from the political landscape long before the ACA is repealed.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 24, 2014 8:25 a.m.

    Senator, you were asked to sit at the table, but you deliberately walked away. You and your party decided to make the Dems do health care reform without your participation (except to try to kill it). The arrogance is astounding. Here we are nearly four years later and you and your party are still harping, but have yet to put anything concrete on the table. In fact, the GOP can't even agree amongst yourselves on a proposal can even be voted on. I am so tired of the Republicans constantly complaining but doing nothing whatsoever except saying no. I with the GOP would make an affirmative, positive contribution to the country except line up for the money of deep pocket billionaires. You have tossed aside the American people. Please, Orrin, just retire. It is really starting to become unseemly.

  • UT Brit London, England
    March 24, 2014 10:59 a.m.

    Day-M8

    Its stories like yours that make other people in the rest of the first world and shake their heads in disbelief. You happily accept you are uninsurable and at a real risk of bankruptcy if you got a chronic disease or were involved in an accident. Does this not seem like a completely broken system to you? I have children with conditions that would mean they would never be touched by an insurance company in the states, luckily they and I don't have to worry about that anymore. I don't need to worry about paying medical bills and worry about bankruptcy. I go to hospitals and doctors surgeries, get the treatment I need and then walk out again. No hassle about payment information just in and out.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 24, 2014 11:27 a.m.

    Okay, Orrin, what do you propose instead?

    Nothing?

    I thought so. . . .

  • Utah Health Policy Project Salt Lake City, UT
    March 24, 2014 12:07 p.m.

    UHPP is the first to admit the ACA isn't perfect. We sign up dozens of Utahs on healthcare-dot-gov every day. We know the glitches, gaps, and problems better than anyone else. And that many of the facts in Sen. Hatch's op-ed (or his previous one) won't pass a 10-second fact-check.
    For instance, why didn't William in St. George double-check to make sure that their existing doctor was included in their new private insurance policy? Washington County has 4 major insurers offering 61 plans on healthcare.gov.
    And Debbie in Salt Lake. Hatch writes that her "plan costs" jumped "almost 20 percent of their annual income." But what is a "plan cost?" Does that total include the monthly premiums plus their deductible and out-of-pocket max? If their family deductible was $12,700 a year (the highest allowed under the ACA, many are lower), then their premiums were $400/month (on the high side, but still possible), then their annual income is around $87,500/year. That means they are paying 5.4% of their income for their insurance premiums, less than the 20% she claimed.
    UHPP is helping Utahns sign up for new insurance until March 31st.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    March 24, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    I have seen other so called "first person stories" that did not stand up to scrutiny.
    I would feel better and more accepting if someone could check out their numbers.

  • cavetroll SANDY, UT
    March 24, 2014 1:24 p.m.

    "Americans deserve better.
    It’s my hope, and the hope of so many Utahns I’ve heard from, that President Obama and his allies in Congress will finally work with us to repeal Obamacare and reform our system in a way that Utahns and Americans everywhere deserve."

    Senator Hatch and fellow politicians:

    You had plenty of time and chances to reform our health care system for many years. You simply refused to do so. If "Obamacare" is a bad as you proclaim, please devise and introduce an alternative. Thus far, you have proffered nothing, even less than nothing at times. You are correct in one matter though, Americans everywhere deserve better, especially better than what you and your compadres have accomplished and proffered.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    March 24, 2014 2:00 p.m.

    @Capsaicin
    Your missing something with your logic, and it's the fact that there are three different tiers of what you pay for the same procedure in the medical system. Payments from Medicare/Medicaid are the lowest, the second lowest is payments by private insurers. By far, the most expensive way to pay is with cash out of your own pocket. While it's admittedly a round about way, the more people covered on Medicare/Medicaid and private insurance, the less medical services cost, as these companies will negotiate for better rates, as they also don't want to pay more money per procedure.

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    March 24, 2014 2:04 p.m.

    Real change did come, Senator Orrin Hatch....it came slowly, but surely. And it will continue. I am someone that didn't have insurance for seven years and got it recently with the ACA. I know it's not perfect, but it's a work in progress and it's certainly better than the rambling of the politicians which would get nothing done for years to come. Thank goodness for the passing of this bill. Millions of people now have access when they didn't before!

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 24, 2014 3:58 p.m.

    Four years later, and the Republicans still have offered nothing.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    March 24, 2014 4:18 p.m.

    Iron Rod
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Is there any way to fact check the stories of William ...........? And Debbie's ...........? Story?
    Since the Deseret News published it perhaps Senator Hatch could give a Deseret News Reporter their last name so an independent source could verify their numbers they gave Senator Hatcg?

    3:07 a.m. March 24, 2014

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    Agreed,
    Like keeping a Witch Doctor or Shaman as a Primary Care Provider, etc.

  • jparry Provo, UT
    March 24, 2014 10:04 p.m.

    For someone who was being considered as a potential Supreme Court Justice, this is an embarrassing article for Sen. Hatch to have written. Convicting Obama for having implemented a plan that was originally designed by the conservative Heritage Foundation on the basis of isolated stories that obscure the relevant facts is hardly persuasive and would be laughed out of court.

  • Sego Lilly Salt Lake City, UT
    March 25, 2014 12:39 a.m.

    I lost my last insurance. Was told that I might qualify for medicaid. With the ACA I found a plan with the bells and whistles that I need for a little less than half of what I would have to pay for medicaid which I have to jump through hoops in order to see specialists. With my new plan I can go see a specialist on my own no prior authorization needed.

    anyone thinking that medicaid covers everything guess what - it doesn't.

  • Sego Lilly Salt Lake City, UT
    March 25, 2014 12:43 a.m.

    hey JoeBlow Medicare either year raises the price and eliminates what services it is willing to cover. this is not right as a person who has worked all their life has already paid into it which is FICA.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    March 25, 2014 6:15 a.m.

    Sen. Hatch may have a duty to report "William" for child neglect, if not abuse.

    If the new physician did not know the full diagnosis and treatment protocols for the child it is because he did not have any medical history from the parents. They should have signed a medical release for full transfer of information, as well as asked the old physician for a summary of diagnosis, findings, and current care plan - "doctor, you're not on our new insurance. Can you write a letter to the new doctor so he knows what to do for our precious and fragile daughter?"

    Sorry, Senator, this is an indictment of the parents not the ACA. They could have just as easily lost access to that provider by the employer switching plans.

    Furthermore, you give no indication of the child's diagnosis. If the care was extensive and expensive then the premiums on the small business-owner employer may have gone up due in part to this child's care, forcing the employer to drop the plan for all employes.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    March 25, 2014 6:29 a.m.

    Meanwhile, Senator Hatch, you have a cadillac of a health care plan, so to heck with the rest of the nation; if they get sick, let them die?

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    March 25, 2014 7:01 a.m.

    Orin is right! We do need change and we need it now. Let's start by getting rid of grumpy old Republicans and replace them with progressive thinking people that want to pass job bills, work to make Affordable Health Care work and kick all the illegal aliens out of the country.

    You're not a grumpy old republican are you Orin?

  • cavetroll SANDY, UT
    March 25, 2014 7:20 a.m.

    Ranch
    "if they get sick, let them die?"

    Let them eat cake.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 25, 2014 10:06 p.m.

    Hatch's two examples don't stand up. I have a family friend in Phoenix that worked as a high paid Pharmaceutical Sales rep for a very large Drug Company. He was there 18 years. Recently Doug was laid of. This company laid off 700 employees after a merger.

    Doug was a supporter of getting rid of the ACA, mostly due to his own company's ideology. He recently had to make a choice between Cobra and ACA. Cobra was almost $3000.00 per month. ACA was $400.00 per month for similar benefits. The ACA allows my friend Doug and his family to take a well needed breather while he finds employment again. Cobra could have bankrupted them if he remains unemployed.

    Hatch's support of these drug companies is well known. Again Senator hatch, what plan have you put forth? ACA is helping millions of people even with it flaws.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    March 25, 2014 10:46 p.m.

    Sen Hatch tells the stories of "William" and "Debbie" without much heart or excitement. I gotta say, I miss Paul Dunn's stories.

  • shabam Ogden, UT
    March 26, 2014 9:32 a.m.

    ACA is a talking point the GOP Big Govt Majority who is on the take of the Corporate Sponsors is defending profiteering on the American Consumers backs.
    The GOP have forgotten to governing by and for the people, rather than by and through their corporate sponsors. Hence, Citizens United Unlimited Funding for the Corporate Sponsors of the GOP Campaign.

  • Dr. Thom Long Beach, CA
    March 28, 2014 7:40 p.m.

    My ACA plan will cost the government and tax payers $85 dollars per month ( not me since I get a supplement that pays the monthly premium) and comes with a $6,000 per-person deductible and a $12,000 per family deductible per annum. everything else is out of pocket until the magic number of $6,000 or $12,000 is reached This means that if my family uses $11,999.00 in a single year that ends in December, then in January it starts over before any benefits kick in to cover medical; expenses Which it is why it is called catastrophic insurance which means you cant afford to use it