Well, I'm not necessarily going to agree or disagree with this opinion
piece, but one thing I do want more than having Snowden "make a case for
himself" is for our government to make a case for itself. I do not fear
Snowden's actions nor think it to be as harmful as what who should be our
representatives are doing to us with their positions in government.
I must humbly disagree with much of this article. Snowden is in Russia because
that is the only harbor he was able to find. I consider the man, perhaps not a
hero, but a man who made a great sacrifice which I, at least, appreciate.It is attributed to Jefforson (though also to Franklin) that he said
"Those who sacrifice their freedom for their security will lose both and
deserve neither." If the price of our hollowed-out freedom is our own
government tunring our nation into a surveillance soiciety, then the price is
too high. There is no such thing as security, never was, never will be. But
there IS such a thing as government run amuck and becoming more evil than the
evils it pretends to protect us from. In this day and age, I wouldn't
trust our own government as far as I could comfortably spit out a rat.
Our own government is the one who owes an apology to the American people. The
government gathered a warrantless collection of information on US citizens,
including congressmen/women, and it got into the hands of an enemy. Why does
Russia have the info? Because our government has jailed anyone who dared say
that the NSA was crossing the line of individual privacy and freedom. Russia is a real problem for the US, but the corruption of our own government,
including the NSA, it a much bigger threat to our safety and freedom than
Russia. Our corruption now threatens Europe, through Russia. It is
interesting, and very sad, that the administration that promised to be
transparent to its citizens, has been secretive with its citizens, and ended up
being so transparent to its enemies.
So, this is what we've come to in the United States? It used to be
"innocent until proven guilty", "no searches without a warrant",
"liberty and justice for all", and now it has become "Hey,
we're not as bad as Russia! Go America!"I think it is
rather obvious why Edward Snowden cares more about what the U.S. does than what
Russia or Ukraine does. First off, he had access here. Secondly, he's an
American. Snowden is not some international judge who is supposed to hand out
ratings based on relative liberty. He is an American who is concerned about
Americans' rights.I think this is an important point to
consider: The only reason we know about these spy programs (some of which a
judge has already ruled unconstitutional) is because Edward Snowden broke the
law and forfeited his life in the United States.The fact that an
American citizen has to break the law just so we are aware that our own
government is breaking the highest law of the land is a scary situation. It
should be a giant wake-up call.
"Could there be noble reasons, even if the methods aren’t the
best?"I can think of few more dangerous sentiments for citizens
to hold. The inquisition, holocaust, gulags, ethnic cleansing, torture, Japanese
internments. Perhaps we should focus on the methods instead of averting our eyes
because we're convinced of the "noble reasons". Perhaps we might
run into fewer self-instigated calamities.
I wonder if he thinks Russia doesn't spy on it's citizens.I wonder how he thinks he's doing good for society by working with the
Russians and China instead of us. It's not like Russia and China
don't do any spying (on their own people and on calls coming into their
country).===I think if he wanted to improve security,
liberty, privacy, and individual rights in America... he should have gone to the
American Media with what he knew, or to the numerous whistle-blower agencies out
there (not to China, and then to Russia).I suspect it's because
he knows our media today would not have done anything or even reported what he
had exposed (without going out of the country where it would get reported and
they would be forced to report on it). They won't report anything that
may cast the current administration in a negative light.Our news
agencies were all about exposing anything that even smelled suspicious or
salacious during the past administration. I don't know why they went
suddenly silent as soon as Bush left the White House.
Wrong title: it isn't Snowden who needs to explain himself.
The *who* needs to explain is exemplified by the man who said he welcomed the
discussion, as he filed criminal charges against the person who made that
IF Snowden is the hero some people pretend he is... he would come back and
explain himself in a court of law.If he's really a hero... we
will all find out. If he feels he can't even come back to the
country that sees him as a hero... is he really a hero?
The neocon who wrote this article is more of a traitor than Snowden. Promoting
U.S. I bet he thinks the Government violating the 4th amendment is perfectly
constitutional. I would rather live in dangerous freedom than a peaceful
So Jay, what would you do if you were charged with criminal espionage for
publishing an article revealing the the NSA secrets. My guess is your reply is
"I wouldn't have published the secrets." That is what's wrong
with our current media who are supposed to be watchdogs, the Fifth Estate.
Better to keep quiet and allow tyranny on our citizens
The vast majority of the information stolen by Snowden has nothing, absolutely
nothing at all to do with collecting data on American citizens (and people
claiming 4th amendment protections are being violated need to learn what the
third party doctrine of warrantless searches is).No, the vast
majority of the disclosures involve the operational details of precisely what
one would expect an intelligence agency to devote itself to. As a result,
Snowden has aided our adversaries and hindered our country's ability to
gather intelligence information. That absolutely makes him a traitor. That he
hides overseas in a country with a ruthless control of the media and unfettered
surveillance of its own citizens makes him a cowardly traitor.
In no way would the US Gov't allow a fair, open trial of Snowden. Such a
trial is impossible.
I disagree with the author. The NSA poses a greater threat to our freedom than
Russia. We all owe Snowden a great debt. If Congress tries to prosecute, we the
people will not be silent.
Bottom line is Snowden was a whistle blower, and he believes he did the right
thing. Its clear laws were being broken. We need to spy, but how we do it will
tell a lot about us as a culture and a people.
IF... he's really a super-hero... don't you think we could find a way
to give him a "fair" trial (fair meaning using our laws, not our
emotions)...And if we think our emotions should over-rule our
laws.... Whistle-blower laws could cover him, or President Obama could pardon
him. But if in a "fair" trial (meaning using our laws and a jury of
his peers)... if he stands no chance... is he really a "hero"?===If he was given a pardon... do you think he would return?I think by now he's probably learned that Russia and China are just
as bad as the United States.
How can he explain himself... when he's hiding?
Snowden didn't really want to go to Russia. It was that or solitary
confinement and dubious constitutional rights in the US.Why would
conservatives stick up for the NSA's overreach and trampling of
constitutional rights? Next it really will be your guns you know?
I think the NSA is definitely overreaching and many people on both sides of the
political spectrum agree about that. Only a constitutional lawyer
can make the constitution seem complicated. Snowden, from his online videos
clearly believes he was doing the right thing and explains his motives in
interviews from Russia. He's not really hiding at all is he? You're
just not listening.
In this case, Obama might be right, the U.S. in not exceptional. Snowden would
have been arrested, whisked away and demonized by the lapdog press. Russia
offered him a safe place and he took it rather than the alternative. I just
hope that when the NSA spy center at the pt of the mt ceases to exist that the
church will get to use the facility to add to their genealogical research.
Given the continual release of sensitive documents (the latest being the extent
of our spying on China) perhaps it would be in our best interest to cut a deal
with Snowden allowing him to return with amnesty?Personally I
don't think it will happened because certain people would loose face. They
would prefer our intelligence agencies die the death of a 1000 tiny cuts.
If Snowden had the same level of access to Russia's intelligence as he used
to in the United States, then discovered similar problems, and then didn't
reveal them...well, then he would be hypocritical.However, he
doesn't have the same level of access to any nation's intelligence,
and so will forever be an outsider for the rest of his life since no country
will ever knowingly grant him that level of access ever again.So, I
don't see how it's reasonable to have the expectation that Snowden
would make similar revelations about Russia. He doesn't have that level of
access, plain and simple, and as others have commented, he's in Russia
because he could get safe asylum there, not because he's buddy-buddy with
the Russians, necessarily.