While I think this is wrong and I hope Lee and Reid pay for any crimes they
committed, I thought this was exactly what the Obama Administration did to get
So where's the damning evidence against Senators Lee and Reid? Nothing in
the article indicates wrongdoing. I'm fully aware of the hatred that
certain people at KSL and the Deseret News have towards Lee. They've been
quite outspoken and working hard to influence the public's opinion against
him. But, until sufficient evidence is provided showing wrongdoing by Lee and
Reid, I suggest letting cool heads prevail. @LovelyDeseretDon't forget Clinton and Gore.
@maple don couldn't you say that about most politicians regardless of
party? You're just picking democrat examples as if republicans are great
With Eric Holder running the DOJ they might do better putting the information
into the shredder.They definitely won't go after Reid. Now if they
could parse him out of the report Holder would love to go after Lee.
@MapleDon - This article asserts in no way that there was "damning
evidence" against Lee or Reid. All it said was that investigators found
evidence that they were passing on to federal investigators. The article merely
reports what information there is available and (in point of fact) actually does
a pretty UN-biased job of presenting that information. There's no
implication that there are pending charges or that they've even done
anything wrong, just that there's evidence turned up in the Swallow
investigation that was deemed worthy of being forwarded onto the USDOJ. I'm
no fan of Lee or Reid, but I think you've read too deep between the lines
of this article.
@ OtisBDriftwood Silly "flag waving" comment. Everyone has the right
of free speech and freedom of expression. I don't agree when some choose
to burn the American flag in protest, but it is protected. Had they 'done
something to stop it' they would be accused of blocking free speech. I for one am tired of sensationalized headlines which, when you read the
article, have very little to do with the actual facts (like this one).
Reporters and the editors are banking on the fact that most just read headlines
and don't fully research issues. They are able to smear individuals with a
simple headline. (Remember the oped of "Romney thinks Detroit should go
Bankrupt") Super unethical and down right wrong in my opinion. Stop
releasing allegations, let the investigations play out and stop making snap
judgements along the way.
Recalling the early comments about John Swallow and his possible wrong
doings.Many politicians and citizens said the allegations were mean
spirited and libelous.Well, now we know how that turned out.Guess we
better wait and see what the truth may be concerning Mr. Lee!
MapleDon,Do you really believe the the DMN and KSL have it out for
Sen. Lee? Or is it that Sen. Lee makes himself such an easy target for
Oh yes please! This is too good to be true! I want to see Mike Lee gone! Get him
out! If this doesn't send him to jail then I will register as a republican
and campaign to become a delegate in the next caucus to get rid of Lee. This
state needs him gone.
Just a brief sentence or two indicating that the DOJ has basically refused to do
their job. This may be due to that agency's bosses to protect US Senators.
If illegal is proven by these senators before the DOJ gets involved (if it ever
does), then that agency's leaders need to be implicated, as well.
DonMaple made a part time job of telling us John Swallow was innocent as
well.FYI -- Mike Lee didn't make his house payments.This should come as a shock to nobody.
Unfortunately, Utah is what it is and every thing this team of Herbert's
has uncovered is true to all government positions including the governors and
since their are no laws broken other than issues of morale ethics judgement, it
is legal and normal politics in Utah. This team just presented what the UEG has
been trying to do for the last 5 years, promote ethical government and open
elections disclosure. Slander is they only thing this team has accomplished and
to the wrong man who inherited the fraud and crime ridden AG office. Shurtleff
created it to aid legislators and politicians in their quest for marginal laws
to benefit themselves and their families with nepotism and corruption.Nothing illegal has been done by any politicians, Swallow or Shurtleff in Utah
other than unethical standards most people think politicians should have. Being
unethical is not a crime in Utah and why this whole investigation has been a
sham to illegally discredit and slander political opponent Swallow and $3
million dollars of tax funds. I hope the governor got his rocks off just to get
rid of the only ethical elected politician Utah has had in 40 years, Swallow.
So the allegations are: Mike Lee was introduced to a donor, and Harry Reid was
channeled money to influence an FTC investigation.Any bets on which
allegation this DOJ will pursue?
This is only one of a string of issues for Reid.
We need to ignore "evidence of wrongdoing" statements where the alledged
wrongdoing is not identifed. I can find evidence of wrong doing against anyone.
They forgot to return a pen at work or they went 3 miles per hour over the
speed limit or they changed lames without using a blinker. If someone did
something wrong, say what it is so that people can judge the seriousness of the
offense. Otherwise you are simply muckraking. As for Senator Lee - we should
definitely get rid of the few senators who will actually take steps to reign in
our out of control federal government. It is easier to raid the treasury when
no one is standing watch
If it were Lee, I'd be somewhat surprised, although I'd wish
different, but can't say the same about Harry Reid.
I'm not saying it's appropriate, but donations organized/orchestrated
by special interest groups is now the de facto way to get elected in this
country - either directly or indirectly through PACs and/or other similar
organizations. I dare say that collectively Utah politics are no
worse than anywhere else and in many cases significantly more tame than places
like Chicago, New York, New Jersey, etc.Politicians love to talk
about campaign reform in the hope that it will dampen what their opponents can
do but in reality, they're in it together. We will continue to
see isolated cases of politicians who get in trouble because they were careless
in their communication or other missteps but in fact, they are doing nothing
different than the rest of their colleagues. It's not going away because
we've allowed the infrastructure to become too strong. If you want to have
a voice in who gets elected, your best chance is to align with a special
interest group that represents your views. All this impropriety talk
makes great news fodder but I just don't see a path to meaningful change.
This is nothing but an effort to tarnish Senator Lee and the TEA party's
reputation before the mid term elections.The "use Harry Reid" ploy
is being done to create the perception this is bipartisan when in reality is
not.Harry Reid is too powerful in government to suffer any backlash from
this, the media, the senate and more than half the house will circle the wagons
around Reid.. However Senator Lee will be thrown out to the wolves as he pretty
much stands alone with Senator Cruz and Senator Rand.Chicago style
politics being perpetrated by the Republican establishment and the progressive
liberals to outs and destroy the TEA part and its candidates.Senator Lee,
I stand with you 100%
Mike Lee needs to come clean over what happened with his home in Utah County. It
looks so sketchy and he has some explaining to do. It was a big mistake to toss
a good and honest man -- Senator Bennett -- for somebody like Mike Lee
who's recently elected and already up to no good.I hope we can
replace Mr. Lee with somebody who values honesty in 2016. That is, if he
doesn't end up resigning before then.
Lets see here..... the DOJ was just now forwarded this information.... and now
we are "implicating them as well". Good grief, lets give it
a rest.A young lady in my ward was murdered 9 years ago. The
suspect was arrested just 3 years ago. He had his first trial on the case, less
than 12 months ago. He finally took a guilty plea - just last week.This isn't TV folks. The gears of justice don't turn at TV speeds.
This is real life. The DoJ has to have enough evidence to actually believe
they can WIN a case.... not just feel something is wrong. Lets cool the jets
and let both of these men get the due diligence both deserve. If
what this early evidence shows is true... very disappointing. I don't
agree with Lee, nor Reed, on many things. But that is far different then
accusing them of using their offices to gain personal benefit. Both men should
be morally above that. Lets hope there is rational explanations for what this
evidence points to.
Otis"... confederate flags were being waved, and insurrection
being shouted...and Lee, along with Cruz and Palin, stood there and did nothing
to stop it."It's so easy to pick out a 'lib'
these days.I wonder what your comment would have been if Lee, Cruz,
or Palin had whipped out a gun and just shot those flag waving distractors and
insurrectionists on the spot?I can't wait for another lib curb
kicking festival to begin this November. You can bet I'm donating to the
cause in this state and in others.Senator Lee is the man!
MapleDon, I completely agree with you in regards to Mike Lee. Further nobody
has proven one thing against him or Jeremy Johnson but they have been crucified
by the government and media just for being successful and generous. As far as
Harry Reid is concerned he is just one of Obamas lackeys.
wer, "This state needs...Progressives!" Or should the sentence be
finished with "...more RINOs like Hatch!" So what if the information
leads to charges against Reid, will you be equally enthusiastic?
First, no one should want to "bust" someone merely because of their
politics. Secondly, as cynical an age as we live in, no one should assume that
because someone had dealings with a person guilty of misconduct, that make them
also guilty. Lets let the facts rule.
@Desert, President Obama was elected by the majority of US citizens. If
repubs want to get back in the White House, you may want to consider a platform
that is best for the country, not what's best for military contractors,
bigotry and the wealthiest 10% .
if this is true, both should be removed from office, and prosecuted.
Best of luck getting Slick Harry... Nevadans have tried for years
Should we really be surprised by any of this, on either side of the aisle?There is far too much money in politics. The Supreme Court didn't
help matters much when they defined corporations as people and allowed them to
funnel as much soft money as they wanted to into politics. As long as there is
millions of dollars on the line, politicians of all political stripes will be
caught influence peddling.All over the country our political
contribution laws (and politicians) are ethically challenged. When politics
have become a high stakes game of Monopoly, rather than representing
constituents, it's time to limit the influence of money in politics.Unfortunately, this won't happen. We don't have enough honest
representatives (and there are a few, but too few) to wield enough influence to
change the laws. Besides, corporations will throw more money at them to prevent
changes to campaign donations and threaten to move jobs elsewhere unless they
get what they want.
As a now outsider from Utah beings I don't live there any longer, I see
that Mike Lee is someone you all should be proud of, he is one of a few who are
really fighting for your freedom, Harry Reid on the other had just wants to take
it away. Why worry about his house problem or whatever happened,worry about your
rights under the Constitution that have been violated by this administration
including and especially Harry Reid. To the person who is upset with Lee because
she or he is a democrat, no wonder. The liberals don't want the truth out
and they will do whatever they can do cast doubt on these senators that are
fighting for your freedom.
The story appears to be aimed at the only LDS member of the U.S. Senate, Mike
Lee, who has a 100 percent voting record. He is the only Mormon who
consistently honors his oath to support and defend the Constitution of the
United States. Equating him to the senator from Nevada by implication of
wrongdoing is a bit of wrongdoing in itself. Long after the allegations are
dismissed, voters will remember the headline; they will think Lee must somehow
be as bad as Reid.
If it gets as far as the US DOJ, I predict that under Holder, Lee will be deemed
"guilty" of something and Ried will be found guiltless and the charges
not even worth investigating.
The subject article, "Utah Prosecutors forward allegations against Sens.
Mike Lee AND (emphasis mine) Harry Reid to Feds," specifically addressed
charges against Sen. Mike Lee, without further specificity of the alleged
charges sent to the Attorney General's office regarding Sen. Reid. Then
there is a picture of Sen. Mike Lee. Let the slanted publicity games begin.
It's election time.Reid's and Lee's alleged misdeeds
were carefully reported in the Salt Lake Tribune on March 12, 2013, and in that
article, at least, the account of Sen. Reid's potential involvement in what
may be described as a "bribe" to de-rail a federal law suit. That is
serious stuff. Lee sounds like many victims of a very challenging
economic period, but the article made it sound like he was a villain. He was
doing what President Obama encouraged, and hundreds of thousands of people who
found themselves on the short end of a mortgage did: He took advantage of the
law, and in the process, poked a finger in the eye the greedy banks and mortgage
companies. Nice job of what appears to be biased reporting. But, I
will give you the benefit of the doubt.
THIS IS A CASE OF ; Mike Lee and his associates trying to associate Harry
Reid with their Mormon Political Scandals of what they already knew, and have
known, and have addressed for the past year or more about their attorney gen
scandal.Now, Mike Lee, the Tea Party , sees a chance to blame the whole
scandal on someones name who had nothing to do with any of it... what a
jamoke.Toss this Kook out of office, you already have the career
Did Utah throw in Reid because they are a rockheaded Republbiot Bastion?