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  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 13, 2014 7:16 a.m.

    Good luck to all three Utah schools. Of the three, UVU is the most likely to be dancing next week.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    March 13, 2014 8:59 a.m.

    Nice to see the State of Utah so well represented in these tournaments. It has been a while since we've had this many teams with real chances.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2014 9:58 a.m.

    Best of luck to Utah, UVU, and Utah state in their quests for conference tournament perfection,

    Joe Lunardi of ESPN has Utah among the top 8 teams currently outside the dance.

    A win over top 5 powerhouse and likely #1 seed Arizona would jump Utah over 5-10 teams probably.

    A win today and we're likely in the dance

    A win today and tomorrow and its essentially a guarantee we're in the dance.

    But coach K plans on taking it one step further and winning it all.

    And after all he's done, one would be foolish to doubt him

    Utah 68
    Arizona 65

    Mark it Down

  • SillyRabbit Layton, 00
    March 13, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    Man, let's go Utes! Best of luck.

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    March 13, 2014 11:30 a.m.

    from Fox Sports

    Utah: The Utes still have quite a bit of work to do, even after their first-round win over Washington on Wednesday, and a win over top-seeded Arizona Thursday afternoon could be just the victory they need to punch their first ticket to the dance in the Larry Krystkowiak era.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    March 13, 2014 1:17 p.m.

    Good luck to all three Utah schools playing today!!!

    Go Cougs!!! Rise Up!!!

    Chris B, is Utah selling Quest for PAC12 tourney perfection tee shirts?

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 13, 2014 1:30 p.m.

    cb

    "A win over top 5 powerhouse and likely #1 seed Arizona would jump Utah over 5-10 teams probably."

    Unfortunately, our Utes just aren't good enough to hang with the Wildcats.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    March 13, 2014 1:33 p.m.

    Oh boy, this is not looking good. Maybe my trip to vegas ends early.

    Come on utes, we are better than this.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2014 1:38 p.m.

    Solid start for Utah, but the Wildcats are schooling the Utes now.

  • scooter88845 Riverton, UT
    March 13, 2014 1:48 p.m.

    This was over before the tip. Welcome to the NIT Utah. The only question now is will they lose by 40+. This looks like the Utah of 2 years ago. What happened to Loveridge and Wright?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    March 13, 2014 1:50 p.m.

    Utah 68
    Arizona 65

    LOL!

    Dave Rose is undefeated versus Arizona with two blowout wins in road/neutral games, 99-69 at Arizona (worst loss ever for Arizona in McKale Center) and 87-65 in the ESA.

    Larry K is winless versus Arizona, 0-6, soon to be 0-7.

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2014 1:53 p.m.

    This is embarrassing. Now I know how byu felt when we played them. We're like a pack of scared dogs with our legs between our tails out there. Getting outhustled and outcoached.

    The guys seriously look afraid. When the camera shows their faces its not pretty. If we just play OUR game we can get back in this.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    March 13, 2014 1:54 p.m.

    phoenix - Yes Arizona is better than us. And we are better than you. Scoreboard!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 13, 2014 1:55 p.m.

    Wow, 13 points in the first half? I guess Arizona has something to prove to their critics including me. Utah getting beat in every facet of the game right now. C'mon utes you look like you aren't matching their intensity right now and it's getting ugly.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 13, 2014 1:56 p.m.

    Utah is down 21 at half time. Arizona would have to go ice cold for the rest of the game for Utah to get back into it. Only scored 13 points in the 1st half. Wow. Utah's pacing for a sub-30 point game. That would be embarrassing. Arizona did do it Washington State though. Not out of the question.

  • scooter88845 Riverton, UT
    March 13, 2014 1:55 p.m.

    Coach K before you start talking about Conference Championships maybe you should take a few baby steps first. How about winning a road game over someone that isn't last in your conference. Or finishing in the top half of your conference during the regular season? If I didn't know better, I would think Coach K is related to Bronco M.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    March 13, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    Why are WCC fans commenting on this game? Other than Gonzaga, that league isn't more than a step above church ball. And Gonzaga most years wouldn't finish in the top 2 of the Pac 12.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 13, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    Once again, Loveridge completely disappears in a big game, this time joined by Wright, both scoreless in the 1st half, Loveridge(0-2), Wright(0-2), Taylor(0-1). Onwas is apparently the only Utah player to show up, 6 points on 3 of 6.

    Lowest scoring 1st half in the history of the PAC 12 tournament.

    Arizona 34
    Utah 13

    Onward and upward!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 13, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    Wow! Utah has no answers today for Arizona. Props to Arizona, solid defense keeping our top 3 players scoreless in the half.

    Lets see if we can make adjustments at the half and make this respectable, otherwise it will be 30+ point thumping!

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    March 13, 2014 2:00 p.m.

    scooter,

    Coach K is miles closer to a Pac 12 conference title than bronco M is to a national title. Coach K has Utah much closer than when he started? byu isn't any closer than when Bronco started. And that distance is more than you can imagine.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 13, 2014 2:00 p.m.

    Ken:
    Sean Miller doesn't agree with you. BYU has owned him while Utah has yet to beat them.

    Two wins in 13 tries and you're hollerIng scoreboard on BYU? Just be gracious and try and get back into the rivalry because U've been owned by BYU over the last 8 years. Now c'mon Utah...I agree with lifelong, Utah looks completely shell shocked right now. Utah is a better team than this.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 13, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    Ken

    Sorry, but

    BYU > Utah

    Ranking AND record

    #34 BYU(23-11) #16 SOS
    #72 (going on #92) Utah(21-11) #120 SOS

    Scoreboard only proves that you could beat BYU on your home floor. We all know it would have been a different story in the Marriott Center, where the Utes have NEVER beaten Dave Rose.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 13, 2014 2:07 p.m.

    Ken

    "Coach K is miles closer to a Pac 12 conference title..."

    Only if you count "moral victories; actual results show coach k has never finished higher than 8th in the conference.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    March 13, 2014 2:11 p.m.

    UVU is dominating UTPA.
    IF the Wolverines don't win the tournament.
    They may play the Utes in the NIT

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    March 13, 2014 2:20 p.m.

    BeSmart - Yup, UVU is the only team from Utah that is playing well today.

    Utah State is getting pounded by SDSU almost as bad as Utah. Sad to see these teams play so poorly in such big games.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2014 2:22 p.m.

    Arizona 46
    Utah 16

    Game over!

    Announcers already discussing next game with 15 minutes left.

    1st team PAC 12 Wright is still scoreless!

  • SillyRabbit Layton, 00
    March 13, 2014 2:25 p.m.

    Yeowch, that's just brutal.

    Well, win or lose, "I am already calling this season a success."

    ;)

  • WJCoug South Jordan, Utah
    March 13, 2014 2:29 p.m.

    Hey Utah, stay humble, keep believing and you might reach 20.

  • RonBergundy SANDY, UT
    March 13, 2014 2:30 p.m.

    Yes yes yes. Watching the Utes gets thumped is almost better than BYU getting into the tournament.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    March 13, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    PAC 12 net announcers selling the merits of Utah to the NIT committee, cute.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    March 13, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    @Imautefan
    UVU's lead went from 28 to 15. Hope they can hold on.

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    March 13, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    Onward and upward to March madness and Pac 12 glory!

    Uh oh...

  • Arizona Reader Gilbert, AZ
    March 13, 2014 2:34 p.m.

    Wow, getting embarrassing now...sorry Utes & Aggies. Good work Wolverines!

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    March 13, 2014 2:35 p.m.

    Darn refs are against us.

  • Unbiased1979 dallas, TX
    March 13, 2014 2:38 p.m.

    The Utes just broke 20! Too bad, I really thought they had a chance, albeit a small one, to upset AZ. Tough to play a team who has rest when your not used to a back to back. With BYU's bad showing and collinsworth out, the only Utah tournament team may be UVU.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 13, 2014 2:40 p.m.

    Hey, Utah's closed the gap to 30 points. Don't call it a comeback?

  • Utes home for the holidays Sandy, UT
    March 13, 2014 2:40 p.m.

    After thinking BYU's loss to Gonzaga was pretty bad, I'm just glad they didn't lose by 30 like Utah and USU are about to. What a horrible showing from all 3 schools.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    March 13, 2014 2:40 p.m.

    Arizona is a great team.
    Utah is young but has a lot of talent.
    I will give Arizona a lot of credit, but show the Utes some respect they are pretty good team heading to the NIT

  • Utes home for the holidays Sandy, UT
    March 13, 2014 2:43 p.m.

    We did it! We scored 30! Another round of Pac 12 stickers on me.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 13, 2014 2:45 p.m.

    Chris B said:
    "Joe Lunardi of ESPN has Utah among the top 8 teams currently outside the dance.
    A win over top 5 powerhouse and likely #1 seed Arizona would jump Utah over 5-10 teams probably.
    A win today and we're likely in the dance."

    After setting the PAC-12 tournament record (13 pts one half) the Utes won't be in top 16 outsiders; they will fall more than 10 teams [probably]; and they surely won't go dancing.
    Coach Krysto jinxed us when he pulled a "Chrissy" by getting ahead of reality.

    This board has heard a lot about college teams playing in high school gyms. Today's game is in a college championship venue, but we are the ones looking like high schoolers.

    Ken said-
    "Coach K is miles closer to a Pac 12 conference title than bronco M is to a national title."

    Closeness only counts in horse shoes. I don't see either Krysto or Bronco realizing the goals you cited.

  • WJCoug South Jordan, Utah
    March 13, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    I am extremely proud of this Utah team. No quit in this team, so sir. They have now scored more points in the 2nd half than they did the 1st, and there are still 6 minutes remaining. 30 point is a real possibility!

  • Ironmomo Ogden, UT
    March 13, 2014 2:47 p.m.

    64-29 Arizona....I don't think that fits into Coach "k's" plan to win the tournament. Hopefully AZ will call off the dogs soon....

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    March 13, 2014 2:48 p.m.

    Gave up at halftime really tells a LOT about this team and program

  • Nate in the 808 orem, ut
    March 13, 2014 2:49 p.m.

    "Utah 68
    Arizona 65

    Mark it Down"

    oops.

  • Scandrus Cedar Hills, Utah
    March 13, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    "Mark it down", CLASSIC!

  • Ironmomo Ogden, UT
    March 13, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    It looks like USU and Utah are battling to see who loses by the most points. USU is down 35 to SDSU and Utah is down 34 to AZ. My money is on Utah.

  • Funny/witty screen name Orem, UT
    March 13, 2014 3:00 p.m.

    I wonder how many points the Utes would have scored if Arizona hadn't sat their starters... The whole second half. They will be nice and fresh to play in their next game after the shoot around practice with Utah!!

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 13, 2014 3:03 p.m.

    I would like to congratulate Utah on their record setting performance.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2014 3:06 p.m.

    Ouch, we won't be marking that down again any time soon. There goes the "we belong to a prestigious conference, therefore we're prestigious" broken record out the window. And with it any fantasy our favorite Crimson goggled Ogdenite had of March Madness.

    A prestigious, "onward and upward" PAC 12 team failed to break 40 points? That'll cost somebody a few PAC stickers.

    I guess downward and backward is the theme today huh???

  • Great Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2014 3:15 p.m.

    This loss was an embarrassment, no doubt about it. Although...some are quick to forget what happened to the big blue in SLC. Can't wait to keep up the domination in athletic competition overall. Obnoxious fans are inherit to all schools, the team down south just has the most of them. Now that's a truth.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 13, 2014 3:18 p.m.

    We just got punked! Congrats to Arizona!

    Utah took a massive beating by a legit top 5 team. Arizona set the tone and never let up, they played like a #1 seed. If they continue playing this kind of defense they will be national champions.

    @Cougsndawgs

    BYU has ONE win over a really good Arizona team at a neutral site in 2010-2011 season, the other win was against a 16-15 team in 2009-2010 (worst Arizona team since 1983).

    Over the last decade Utah has never played a Arizona team that was as bad.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2014 3:21 p.m.

    And today the fantasies end as we resume our rightful place - nowhere near the elite of the conference. Coach small k said it wrong when he said to remain humble and hungry. He should have said BECOME humble and hungry.

    Wright 5 points, Loveridge 2 points, Bachynski the high scorer with 9? Nobody with more than 4 rebounds or 4 assists? Wow, that's coming through in the clutch.

    If there was any doubt about the U's position relative to the conference flagships, today those doubts were crushed by reality. Today that OOC preseason and all the hype around U's inflated record reared it's ugly head.

    After that embarrassing bare bottomed spanking there's certainly plenty of room to go 'onward and upward'

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    Well that's an awful time to lay an egg... at least Utah only had two bad games (@UCLA @WashSt) and one atrocious game (this one). That's much better than the previous year.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    March 13, 2014 3:24 p.m.

    Great Ute

    Utah won a home game versus BYU.

    Big deal. Congratulations on your 2nd win in the last 13 games.

    Rose is 12-4 versus Utah and has never lost to Utah in the Marriott Center... see U next year in the Marriott Center.

    In the meantime,

    #34 BYU(23-11) > #72 Utah(21-11)

    Coach Rose and Arizona own Utah!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    March 13, 2014 3:24 p.m.

    @Great Ute
    and keep touting that one win at home during the glorious NIT one and done appearance LOL

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    March 13, 2014 3:26 p.m.

    Ya, that couple of basketball wins in the past umpteen years is sheer domination.

    And, you're nowhere near qualified to declare who has the most obnoxious fans. Besides, that's a weighted competition and U have a single BYU obsessed fan with multiple screen names that counts for way more than 1 in the tally anyway. Nice try though.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    March 13, 2014 3:38 p.m.

    Uteology

    It's laughable how you try to minimize any win that contradicts your crimson shaded agenda.

    BYU's "other" win, was a 30-point 99-69 blowout on Arizona's home court; the worst loss EVER suffered by Arizona in McHale Center history, and as you yourself admitted, it was against an Arizona team that finished with a winning 16-15 record, 16-14 regular season, 10-8 in the PAC 10 - maybe not a great Arizona team, but certainly not a terrible team either.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 13, 2014 3:38 p.m.

    Congrats to the Cats. Their ability to defend, rebound, and run the court could help them make a run deep into the NCAA tournament. The Utes never recovered from a very slow start. It was only the 2nd blowout loss they experienced all year. For such a young team, they showed a lot of fight all year. Proud of you young Utes.

    You don't go from 6 wins one year to tournament bound the next in most cases. There are stages of improvement and minus today's egg, the Utes exceeded my expectations on the year.
    Arizona is a perennial top 20 contender and have legit NBA talent at nearly every position.

    BYU fans, I'll be celebrating your one and done. Enjoy your single elimination tournament!

  • OC Fan Orange County, CA
    March 13, 2014 3:44 p.m.

    NIT matchup at Energy Solutions Arena: BYU vs. Utah for bragging rights.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 13, 2014 3:46 p.m.

    @Uteanymous
    Salt Lake City, Utah

    Ken

    "Coach K is miles closer to a Pac 12 conference title..."

    Only if you count "moral victories; actual results show coach k has never finished higher than 8th in the conference.

    ------------

    Utah as an 8th seed is closer to a PAC-12 title than #2 BYU is to a WCC title.

    Assuming Wright, a NBA prospect, returns next year and is able to develop his shooting range over the summer and Champman and Kuzman are as good as advertised.

    BYU on the other hand has legit Spanish League prospects (Haws and KC) and KC is unfortunately out injured until December. With Mika gone, I can see BYU's non-existent defense getting worse.

  • Utes home for the holidays Sandy, UT
    March 13, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    Draper, I'll be celebrating the fact Utah isn't dancing, again. How many rebuilding mulligans does a team normally get?

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    March 13, 2014 3:59 p.m.

    @Uteology
    that same Wright that scored 5 points on 1-8 shooting?? LOL an NBA prospect right there

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    March 13, 2014 4:03 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Utah as an 8th seed is closer to a PAC-12 title than #2 BYU is to a WCC title."

    Gotta laugh at your delusional spin.

    A #8 team that didn't make it out of the PAC 12 quarter-finals is closer to a PAC 12 title than a #2 team that played in the WCC championship game???

    Haws, btw, played on the U.S. National Team for the College World Games last summer. Where was Wright, who scored a grand total of 5 points versus Arizona?

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    March 13, 2014 4:06 p.m.

    @ Ken:

    Seriously, Ken! You of all people are asking why BYU fans are commenting on a Utah article. I can't remember the last BYU article that you haven't commented on. I'm going to find a dictionary to look up the work hypocrisy.

    @ DraperUteFan:

    A rather sad attempt at deflecting a very poor Ute performance today by predicting a one and done BYU appearance in the NCAA tournament. With a 11th or 12th seeding, that's a most likely outcome.
    But the reality is that Utah and most of it's fans would love to switch places with BYU and play in the NCAA tournament. Only about 20% of NCAA basketball teams get there. So even if it is a one-and-done, it's still a feather in BYU's hat that Utah can't enjoy this year.

    @ Chris B:

    (Saving the best for last). Well, I did "mark it down" as you requested. But you missed the Utah score by 29 points and overall point spread by 35 points. Wow. That's a humbling situation. That just goes to show how wearing crimson colored glasses can so badly skew reality.

    But Utah did have it's moments this season.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 13, 2014 4:09 p.m.

    @deductive reasoning

    It depends on how you define terrible.

    If you ask an Arizona fan, I believe they will tell you it was a terrible team.

    What isn't debatable is that it was Arizona's worst team since 1983. And what isn't debatable is that Utah has never played such a "terrible" Arizona team.

    Arizona finished #4 in a weak PAC 10, with 6 teams having a losing conference records and with only 2 teams in the tournament. Arizona was 11-6 at home that year, including a loss to 14-16 Oregon State.

    Are you going to claim that this Ute team couldn't handle a 10-8 PAC-12 Arizona team? ASU, Colorado, California and 12-6 UCLA disagree.

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    March 13, 2014 4:12 p.m.

    Lifelong Ute
    Salt Lake City, UT

    This is embarrassing. Now I know how byu felt when we played them. We're like a pack of scared dogs with our legs between our tails out there. Getting outhustled and outcoached.

    The guys seriously look afraid. When the camera shows their faces its not pretty. If we just play OUR game we can get back in this.And if the utes had played in Provo the outcome would have been the same as it has been since 2007 thats the last time the utes beat BYU,because of 1 wine in 7 yrs the ute fans thump their chests and claim to be the best team in the state,then come on a BYU thread ad slam Haws for missing hos shots ,well he got 24 point how many points did JL and DW get i think 8 between them karma finally gets the ute arrogance.

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    March 13, 2014 4:21 p.m.

    Ken
    Sandy, UT

    phoenix - Yes Arizona is better than us. And we are better than you. Scoreboard!Then you better look at the scoreboard over the last 7 yrs when BYU has beaten u in every game home and the road that,s the scoreboard i look at and if they had played in provo this year it would have looked like the score of the arizona game you just got your butts trounced in so go ahead and thump your chest it just males you look stupid.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 13, 2014 4:27 p.m.

    HFTH, Utah's season by definition is not a mulligan. Perhaps you should go back to the early season prognosticators and see where Utah was picked to finish after a rough year last year. For Utah to finish effectively 10-10 in PAC 12 play after last year is no mulligan. It is a third straight year of improvement.

    As disappointed as Utah fans are about today's loss and the missed opportunities throughout the season, nobody could possibly have expected more out of this team than what they got. They don't have a single senior starter and only one junior.

    BYU on the other hand will continue the "Dave Rose Era" we hear so much about with a first round loss. Who cares if you make it to the tournament when over 50% of the time you exit in the first game (counting this year's inevitable first round departure).

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    March 13, 2014 4:37 p.m.

    @ Uteology:

    Of course you see things that way. You're known to be wearing the same crimson colored glasses that Chris B always wears.

    Considering that BYU has now made it their conference finals, how can you possibly claim Utah is closer to a conference championship than BYU is? That sounds a lot like Chris B's prediction for the Ute game today and so is actually quite humorous.

    What is the closest Utah has come to playing in the PAC12 basketball championship game since joining the conference? The answer should put you back on the path to reality.

    Haws is the #6 leading scorer in the entire nation and you actually claim he's Spanish league material. Wow. What a super quick way to lose all credibility.

    BYU's defense will actually get better next season with the bigs they have coming back from missions. Plus, they have some very good recruits coming in to the program that will legitimately add better defense to their program.

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    March 13, 2014 4:37 p.m.

    BeSmart
    Cheyenne, WY

    Arizona is a great team.
    Utah is young but has a lot of talent.
    I will give Arizona a lot of credit, but show the Utes some respect they are pretty good team heading to the NIT Why should we their fans have shown absolutely no respect all year to BYU all they have done is come on every article about BYU and trash them,they deserve no respect and will get none from me

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 13, 2014 4:37 p.m.

    Deductive, Wright is listed as a higher draft pick on virtually every NBA mock draft. The NBA will look at the total stat line, not just points and free throw percentage.

    Haws is a fine player, but he is close to reaching his ceiling and will suffer the same fate as Jimmer, Andy Toolson, Mike Smith, and so many other Cougar players not named Danny Ainge to play in the NBA.

    Wright came out of nowhere and Haws was a known commodity at the beginning of the season. Wright still has a lot of game still yet to develop, but is a more complete player by NBA standards.

    Nobody is saying Delon Wright is going to become an NBA superstar, but if he improves his jump shot and gets stronger, he will likely have a career in the NBA while Tyler enjoys a long career in Italy.

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    March 13, 2014 4:44 p.m.

    Great Ute
    Salt Lake City, UT

    This loss was an embarrassment, no doubt about it. Although...some are quick to forget what happened to the big blue in SLC. Can't wait to keep up the domination in athletic competition overall. Obnoxious fans are inherit to all schools, the team down south just has the most of them. Now that's a truth.No the truth is that BYU has owned u in basketball since 2007 thats the truth you win 1 game in 7 yrs and think you are all high and mighty well karma caught up to the ute arrogance thats the truth.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 13, 2014 4:47 p.m.

    Objectified, the Utes lost and I didn't run away from that. All I said to the gloating Cougar pack was BYU and fans will celebrate an NCAA tournament appearance the same they all celebrated a bowl appearance...with a loss.

    I wouldn't trade places with BYU. Utah overachieved this year...BYU underachieved. Utah stunk up the gym today, but exceeded all pundits and fans expectations for the season.

    BTW, over the years the 12/5 seed games are where a significant number of upsets occur. Kyle Collinsworth will suddenly become the Brandon Davies of the 2013-14 season once the Cougars lose and the fan excuses begin to pour in.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 13, 2014 4:55 p.m.

    DraperUteFan

    BYU is 4-6 in the Big Dance, during the Dave Rose era, with at least one win in each of their last three appearances in 2010, 2011, and 2012.

    Utah is one and done for the ENTIRE Dave Rose era.

    As far as who cares?

    You do!

    Don't kid yourself. The Utes would give their eye teeth to be playing in the Big Dance next week.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    March 13, 2014 5:01 p.m.

    phantomblade

    "Good luck to all three Utah schools. Of the three, UVU is the most likely to be dancing next week."

    Spot on!

    USU 39 SDSU 73
    Utah 39 Ariz 71
    UVU 83 TxPanAm 63

    Maybe we'll see Utah at Utah State in the NIT. Aggie fans would certainly be more enthusiastic about the game.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 13, 2014 5:12 p.m.

    Snack, BYU has yet to win a WCC title in the "Dave Rose Era." BYU is going to exit the NCAA tournament in the first game for the 4th time in the "Dave Rose era."

    The Utes as players would love to be playing in the Dance, but as an objective fan I know they are not ready yet for it.

    Celebrate the "Dave Rose Era" if you will. Minus the "Jimmer Era" the postseason success is mediocrity by any definition.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 13, 2014 5:17 p.m.

    Uteology:
    C'mon dude you're smarter than to start the Arizona argument about BYU. On that neutral floor in 2010-2011 season BYU beat (nay, blew out) an Arizona team that won the PAC10 championship, and made the elite 8...by 22 points! Who cares that they blew out the team one year prior by the largest margin ever at McHale center. BYU has demoralized Arizona, not just beaten them, while U can't beat them. I guess it shouldn't surprise me that you only want to talk about the 2009-2010 team.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 13, 2014 5:25 p.m.

    Ken
    Sandy, UT

    "Why are WCC fans commenting on this game? Other than Gonzaga, that league isn't more than a step above church ball."

    Ken I thought we saw a lot of church ball today and we can't blame the WCC.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    March 13, 2014 5:40 p.m.

    DraperUteFan

    Gotta laugh at the cherry picking that Utah fans have to rely on to help themselves feel better about their mediocre, bottom dwelling program.

    During the Dave Rose era

    BYU: 232-77(75%), NINE straight 20+ win seasons, SIX going on SEVEN NCAAs, FOUR conference championships, 12-4 versus Utah

    Utah: 137-148(48%), TWO 20+ win seasons, SIX losing seasons, ONE NCAA, ONE conference championship, 4-12 versus BYU

    NCAA bid > 8th place PAC 12 finish, regardless of how you slice it.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    March 13, 2014 5:48 p.m.

    DraperUteFan

    If SEVEN NCAA appearances in nine seasons is your definition of "mediocrity", what do you call ONE NCAA appearance in nine seasons?

    In Utah's ONLY appearance, as a 5th seed, the Utes were EMBARRASSED by a 12th seed, ironically, the same Arizona team that blew you off the court today.

    The harder you try to dig up stats to minimize the Dave Rose era, the deeper the hole you dig for your own credibility.

    Time just let it go.

  • Levin Reno, NV
    March 13, 2014 5:56 p.m.

    DraperUteFan:
    Show me a meaningful difference between the postseason experience (through 8 seasons of head coaching) of these two coaches. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out who they are, that one of them has only been a head coach for 8 seasons, and that the other one had a lot of success after his first 8.

    Coach A:
    NIT Second Round
    NIT Third Round
    NIT Second Round
    (missed postseason)
    NCAA Second Round
    (missed postseason)
    NCAA Sweet Sixteen
    NIT Third Place

    Coach B:
    NIT First Round
    NCAA First Round
    NCAA First Round
    NCAA First Round
    NCAA Second Round
    NCAA Sweet Sixteen
    NCAA Second Round (i.e. the "original" first round)
    NIT Second Place

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 13, 2014 6:18 p.m.

    Rockwell, I wrote the "postseason success is mediocrity by any definition." Do you consider first round exits in three seasons with a likely 4th and a 4-6 NCAA tourney record (soon to be 4-7) to be better than mediocrity? Curious for a sub .500 record. Do you consider not winning a conference championship yet less than mediocrity for a team with a student body and gym size 5 times larger than their nearest WCC competitor?

    Keep hanging your hat on the Dave Rose Era...it looks pretty good in the regular season and very below average in the postseason.

  • TanMan_101 West Jordan, UT
    March 13, 2014 6:31 p.m.

    Interesting fact: In hypothetical rematches over the past 4 years, BYU is 8,342-0! What a program!

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    March 13, 2014 6:42 p.m.

    Just a couple of days ago, Utah fans were trashing BYU and its best players for not showing up against Gonzaga, so the comparison with how Utah showed up against Arizona is interesting.

    BYU 54-65 loss - 21 of 59 (44%), Haws 24 (6 of 14), Collinsworth 13 (5 of 11)

    Utah 39-71 loss - 12 of 47 (26%), Wright 5 (1 of 8), Loveridge 2 (0 of 6)

    It's pretty easy to see which team and stars weren't even remotely competitive in their biggest game of the season.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    March 13, 2014 7:07 p.m.

    DraperUteFan

    There's NOTHING mediocre about being invited to the Big Dance.

    Who cares about student body or gym size? San Francisco won back-to-back national championships playing in the exact same conference and gym as they play in now?

    If accomplishments are meaningless unless they're achieved in an "elite" conference or played in a big gym, what does that say about Utah's past accomplishments, most of which were achieved achieved playing in "small" conferences and small gyms (see Einar Nielsen Field House)?

    BYU played in the NIT semi-final last season, so in the "post-season", BYU is 7-8 in the NCAA and NIT combined, 7-4 in the last four seasons. A 7-8 record during the last 9 post-seasons is well above average.

    Do a little research and tell us how many coaches have won 232+ games and played in 7 NCAA tournaments during the last 9 seasons. Guaranteed, it's in the Top 30, which would be Top 10% of the 350+ Division 1 coaches, significantly higher than your grossly "below average" claim.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    March 13, 2014 7:51 p.m.

    It's interesting that fans of a team that hasn't won an NCAA tournament game in almost a decade are talking about "mediocre" records in the post season.

    By any definition, 0 of 1 for the decade can't even be classified as "mediocre".

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 14, 2014 6:39 a.m.

    @Objectified

    Haws is the #6 leading scorer in the entire nation and you actually claim he's Spanish league material. Wow. What a super quick way to lose all credibility.

    -----------

    My claim was based on research. According to most NBA mock drafts:

    * Haws is not a NBA prospect
    * Wright is projected as a late first rounder

    If Wright can develop his outside shooting he could go earlier in the draft. Haws is a great shooter, but his game isn't suited for the NBA.

    Feel free to provide a source that disagrees.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 14, 2014 7:12 a.m.

    @killarney
    Lincoln Park, IL

    It's interesting that fans of a team that hasn't won an NCAA tournament game in almost a decade are talking about "mediocre" records in the post season.

    By any definition, 0 of 1 for the decade can't even be classified as "mediocre".

    ----------

    It's true Utah has been horrible over the last decade.

    But since this is 2014 over the last decade Utah is 2-2 (50%) with ONE Sweet 16 and ONE #1 draft pick that actually plays regardless of what team he is on.

    On the hand, BYU over the last decade has enjoyed 20+ win seasons and all you have to show for it is a 4-6 (40%) tournament record. Which includes a play-in-game so technically BYU has only won 3 first round games compared to Utah's 2 over the same period. Plus ONE Sweet 16.

    Our worst decade is still better than BYU's best decade as far as postseason accomplishments are concerned.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    March 14, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    Uteology

    Utah's previous record doesn't count, because, as we've been told ad nauseum by Utah fans, any achievement earned outside of membership in an "elite" conference is meaningless.

    What exactly has Utah accomplished in the last decade, anyway?

    Your #1 NBA draft "who actually plays" was only able to get the Utes to the Sweet 16, where they didn't even come close to advancing to the Elite Eight, and that was almost 10 years ago.

    Jimmer, without Davies, got the Cougars to within a missed FT in regulation of advancing to the Elite Eight; with Davies, BYU was a national championship contender.

    Who cares about Wright's NBA "potential"?

    He and Loveridge were both miserable failures in Utah's biggest game of the season. Blame the disgrace on the "competition" if it helps you sleep at night, but BYU also played a #1 seed, undefeated Wichita State at a neutral site earlier this season, and played a very competitive game, before fading a little in the closing minutes to lose 62-75.

    At least Haws and Collinsworth helped keep the WCC championship game respectable for BYU.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    March 14, 2014 9:06 a.m.

    trueblue.

    Don't bring up the Davies excuse. All teams have injuries or setbacks they deal with. byu didn't go farther than the sweet 16 because they didn't deserve to go farther than the sweet 16.

    The next team from Utah to win a sweet 16 game will be the same program that last won a sweet 16 game - and its not byU

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2014 9:17 a.m.

    "Our worst decade is still better than BYU's best decade as far as postseason accomplishments are concerned."

    Gotta luv the delusional spin blowing from the hill this morning.

    Only under the crimson bubble would playing in TWO NCAA tournaments be considered BETTER than playing in SEVEN NCAA tournaments.

    Using that logic, a team that played in ONE tournament and won a single game before losing to finish 1-1, would be considered BETTER than a team that played in TEN tournaments and finished with a 5-10 record; after all, a 50% winning percentage is BETTER than a 33% winning percentage in post season play.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2014 9:34 a.m.

    cb

    "Don't bring up the Davies excuse."

    Why not; it's a legitimate argument. Losing a key player just before the playoffs would adversely affect any team. How far would the Bulls have gotten without Jordan or Pippen? How far would the Lakers have gotten with Jabbar or Magic? How far would the Celtics have gotten without Bird or McHale?

    Don't kid yourself. Not all teams lose their 2nd best player and only low post threat only days before the playoffs.

    BYU didn't go farther than the Sweet 16 because they lost a key player.

    Utah 1998 wouldn't have gotten past the 2nd round without Miller or Doleac.
    Utah 2005 wouldn't have gotten out of the 1st round without Bogut.
    Utah 2009 wouldn't have been invited to the Big Dance without Neville.

    LOL at your lame Sweet 16 "prediction". Should we "mark it down" with your Utah 68,
    Arizona 65 prediction?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    March 14, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    christy

    A team that entered the NCAA tournament 32-4, with back-to-back 30+ win seasons, something Utah has NEVER accomplished, "DESERVED" to go much farther than the Sweet 16.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 14, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    So True Blue, let's get this straight. You conjecture all over the map about what "might have been" had Davies been healthy, then go on to say "who cares about Wright's potential." Dude, at least be consistent. If you are going to play the conjecture game the door needs to swing both ways.

    Furthermore, BYU has a long history of good players who frankly don't become regular rotation players in the NBA (Smith, Toolson, Jimmer) and Haws will be the same. Devin Durrant, Timo Saraelinin (sp), Rafael Araujo, and the list goes on of players who were good players for BYU and did not have much of an NBA career. Fred Roberts and Danny Ainge are the most significant NBA players I'm aware of in BYU history and Roberts was a rotation guy.

    Conversely, Tom Chambers, Keith Van Horn, Andre Miller, and Andrew Bogut are just a few Utah players who have had significant playing careers in the NBA. Compare scoring numbers between Ainge and Chambers btw. Chambers is in the 20,000+ club and Ainge has under 12,000.

    As for the "we kept it close but lost 75-62 to Wichita State" argument, seriously? Talk about meaningless moral victories.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 14, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    Truth Machine, Magic won a championship ring after Kareem went down with an injury in the finals against Dr. J's 76ers. Magic played center and put the Lakers on his back and won the closeout game without Jabbar.

    BYU probably would have gotten further with Davies, but how much further is pure speculation. BYU fans claim they were a lock for the Final 4 and many assume a national championship. The easiest championships to win are those of fans conjecturing them so.

    If the games were won/lost based solely on speculation, Gonzaga would have made it to the Final 4 last year and we know they didn't come close.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    March 14, 2014 11:45 a.m.

    DraperUteFan

    Ainge has won two NBA championships a starter and one as President of Basketball Operations.

    That's more NBA championships that Ainge is directory responsible for than Tom Chambers, Keith Van Horn, Andre Miller, and Andrew Bogut have COMBINED!

    It's interesting how you're trying to deflect attention away from Utah's annihilation at the hands of Arizona by discussing NBA and post season success.

    Bottom line, regardless of what happens in the tournament, its MUCH better to be invited to the Big Dance, than to be left on the outside looking in.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 14, 2014 12:11 p.m.

    What happened to the no shouting in all caps rule? "Bottom line" is Ainge had a very long playing career after he left Boston and never won a championship on some very good Portland and Phoenix teams. I have three words for you...Parrish, Mchale, and Bird.

    I look forward to seeing the "much better to be invited" talk after BYU loses in the first round and solidifies the "Dave Rose era" mediocrity in postseason play.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 14, 2014 12:40 p.m.

    Btw, those years "Ainge is directly responsible for" the championships, he averaged 5.4 and 10.7 points respectively (below his 11.5 career averages).

    Ainge's career scoring average is below that of Andre Miller (a 15-year NBA veteran and never known as a great shooter) and Keith Van Horn.

    The greatest NBA player BYU ever produced has a career scoring average below Van Horn, Andre Miller, and Tom Chambers.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    March 14, 2014 12:47 p.m.

    truth machine,

    Saying "byu would have done better if Davies has played" is such a lame argument.

    I could argue that if Jabari Parker and Wiggins and Randle all picked Utah then Utah would have won a national title.

    They didn't pick Utah.

    And davies was the sole reason davies didn't play.

    byu accomplished what they deserve - and that was a sweet 16 and nothing more

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    March 14, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    Rockwell,

    You deserve only what you earn.

    The scoreboard tells us what you've earned.

    And the scoreboard in sweet 16 told what you earned.

    And what you earned was a trip home.

    Teams that go to final fours do so because the scoreboard tells them they earned it.

    LOL - keep telling yourself you are better than the scoreboard - the ONLY thing that matters is what the scoreboard says.

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    March 14, 2014 12:50 p.m.

    .."if davies had played"

    LOL

    He didn't.

    If Jordan Loveridge had scored 10,000 points yesterday Utah would have won.

    He didn't.

    And davies didn't play.

    And did you guys evaluate every single "if only" scenario of every other team in the NCAA dance?

    Or did you assume the only thing that hurt any team in the entire dance was the davies situation?

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    March 14, 2014 12:54 p.m.

    Rockwell,

    You deserve only what you earn.

    The scoreboard tells us what you've earned.

    And the scoreboard in sweet 16 told what you earned.

    And what you earned was a trip home.

    Teams that go to final fours do so because the scoreboard tells them they earned it.

    LOL - keep telling yourself you are better than the scoreboard - the ONLY thing that matters is what the scoreboard says.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2014 12:56 p.m.

    DraperUteFan

    I look forward to Utah fans trying to claim that winning in the NIT is better than losing in the NCAA.

    ------------------

    Danny Ainge was an integral part of those great Boston Celtics teams.

    There isn't a single Utah player who has ever won the John Wooden Award and also been a starter on an NBA championship team. Andrew Bogut has never even come close, in fact, most of the teams he's played on haven't even qualified for the playoffs.

    Remind us what integral part Tom Chambers, Keith Van Horn, Andre Miller, or Andrew Bogut played on an NBA championship team.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 14, 2014 1:02 p.m.

    @TrueBlue

    Jimmer, without Davies, got the Cougars to within a missed FT in regulation of advancing to the Elite Eight; with Davies, BYU was a national championship contender.

    -------------

    I have told you over and over again that is not true. What do you insist on posting the same false claim?

    According to Yahoo Sports and the Las Vegas Hilton BYU was a long shot to win the tournament with Davis. They were never a contender.

    "One word gives BYU a shot to make a deep run and a worthy long shot bet, Jimmer. Jimmer Fredette has carried this average team to the NCAA Tournament ... BYU is the best long shot bet [75-1] on the board to win the NCAA Tournament"

    NCAA Tournament 2011: Las Vegas Odds to Win & Picks
    Todd Jacobs
    Feb 16, 2011

    Feel free to provide me with a source that agree with you.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 14, 2014 1:25 p.m.

    No playoff, Scott Wedman, Jerry Sichting, and Bill Walton were also contributors on those Celtics team (each had more points per minute than Ainge).

    Reggie Miller, Karl Malone, Chris Mullin, Alex English, and many other much more prolific scorers and hall of fame players never won an NBA championship. Are you going to diminish there accomplishments because they didn't play with Bird, DJ, Mchale, and Parrish?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 14, 2014 1:26 p.m.

    @TrueBlue

    Jimmer, without Davies, got the Cougars to within a missed FT in regulation of advancing to the Elite Eight...

    At least Haws and Collinsworth helped keep the WCC championship game respectable for BYU.

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    Moral victories? Yet you mock close games on Ute boards. Classic!

    Wright cares about his NBA potential and so does Ute Nation. Just like how much Cougar Nation cares about Jimmer's potential of being an NBA-All Star, only if Sacramento/Chicago gave him a chance.

    Utah was a miserable failure in 1 of 3 games against Arizona. He's not an NBA prospect based on ONE game. Take your time understanding that concept.

    Collinsworth was injured he no hand in Gonzaga missing free throws down the stretch. That's the ONLY reason BYU didn't lose by 17+ points. And yes I'm using the same argument BYU "fans" used in Utah's game against Stanford.

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2014 1:37 p.m.

    The greatest NBA player BYU has ever produced started on TWO NBA championship teams.

    Not sure who you consider the greatest NBA player Utah has ever produced, since no Utah player has ever started on an NBA championship team.

    Collectively, former Utah players have earned absolutely nothing of significance in the NBA.

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    According to the silly "scoreboard" argument, how does it feel to be forced to admit that Ecker Studio was BETTER than the 1944 NCAA tournament champion Utes?

    That banner that hangs in the Huntsman really belongs to a bunch of nameless players representing a photo studio at 133 1/2 So Main, since they earned it by proving they were BETTER than the 1944 Utes by virtue of SCOREBOARD!

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2014 2:08 p.m.

    Uteology

    "NCAA Tournament 2011: Las Vegas Odds to Win & Picks - Feb 16, 2011"

    It's laughable that you cherry picked the Odds from two weeks BEFORE BYU stomped SDSU in San Diego.

    February 26/27, 2011:

    Steve Megargee - Rivals: "It's time to stop thinking of BYU as a one-man team and time to start thinking of the Cougars as a potential No. 1 seed."

    Eamonn Brennan - ESPN: "I'm banging Jim Cramer's "buy buy buy!" button to annoying effect. Be skeptical if you want, but don't be surprised when the Cougars prove you wrong in the tournament. You were warned."

    JeffGoodman - FOX Sports: "The Jimmer and BYU went into the Viejas Center and came away with a victory – and the Cougars also have put themselves in position for a No. 1 seed."

    Luke Wynn - Sports Illustrated: Comments on how BYU overcame the SDSU crowd to move closer to a No. 1 seed.

    Just a sampling of the many national sports pundits who were discussing BYU's potential for a No. 1 seed only a couple of days before Brandon Davies was suspended.

    Whether you're willing to admit it or not, a team that is in contention for a No. 1 seed is a national championship contender.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 14, 2014 2:14 p.m.

    FACTChequer, check your facts. Danny Ainge was not a starter on the 83-84 Celtic team. He came off the bench. He rode the coattails of 4 NBA HOF's to win two championship rings.

    Review the game notes on any website of each game and Ainge's name isn't even mentioned, except to be called a "dirty player" by Don Nelson and Tree Rollins.

    His playoff scoring average those two years was 10.02 points per game for a 2 guard!

    Ainge was traded in 89 due to the aging Celtics roster and because Michael Jordan was notorious for torching Ainge, including 63 points in a playoff game in 86.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    March 14, 2014 2:19 p.m.

    Uteology

    You can argue until you're blue in the face, but the fact remains, in the biggest game of the season with the most riding on the outcome for the Utes, Utah's two best players

    Wright (1-8, 5 points)
    and
    Loveridge (0-6, 2 points)

    were both miserable failures, unless you consider setting a record for PAC 12 tournament scoring futility some kind of "achievement".

    You still haven't explained how Wright's NBA "potential" made any difference whatsoever for Utah this season.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    March 14, 2014 2:48 p.m.

    DUF

    Check your facts.

    In 1983-84, Danny Ainge only "started" 3 games, but he played in 71, and was an integral part of Boston's NBA championship team. Not "starting" was simply the product of the rotation the coach has established for that season.

    In 1982-83, Ainge started 76 of 80 games. In 1984-85, he started 73 of 75 games.

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    Your turn:

    How many NBA championships were Tom Chambers, Keith Van Horn, Andre Miller, or Andrew Bogut an integral part of?

    Utah fans love to rag on Jimmer because he didn't get the Cougars past the Sweet Sixteen, despite being the national Player of the Year, yet you pick and choose when team success matters, or doesn't.

    Bogut, Utah's celebrated #1 draft pick, didn't get the Utes past the Sweet Sixteen and his NBA teams have been mediocre, at best.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 14, 2014 3:31 p.m.

    Skywayker, Ainge wasn't a "starter" in 83-84. He was a sixth man averaging less than 6 ppg. BYU revisionist history doesn't change historical fact.

    Those Ute players were drafted by the likes of the Clippers (Chambers), Bucks (Bogut), and New Jersey Nets (Van Horn...who helped them get to the NBA finals for the first time in their NBA history).

    Danny Ainge played for 3 teams after he left the Celtics and never won a championship, despite being surrounded by ample talent.

    Of the top 25 scorers in NBA history, 8 of them never won a ring, including Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley, Dominique Wilkins, Karl Malone, and Jerry West.

    Winning titles is all about team and Danny Ainge's stats and contribution to the NBA Celtics were negligible.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    March 14, 2014 4:14 p.m.

    Which Utah players were Top 25 scorers in NBA history?

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    As far as Ainge's integral part in Boston's NBA championships, it's quite evident that it goes way beyond numbers to a thing called "leadership".

    Larry Bird won three championships with the Celtics in 1980-81, 1983-84, and 1985-86; Ainge played on two of those three championship teams and was himself voted an all-star in 1987-88.

    Ainge left the Celtics the following year and the Celtics didn't win another championship until 2007-08, after Ainge had returned to the Celtics as President of Basketball Operations.

    ----------------

    "Winning titles is all about team..."

    A true, but ironic statement coming from someone who continually trashes Jimmer for not getting his team past the Sweet Sixteen, despite being the Consensus National Player of the Year.

  • utesgoingdownthehill Salt Lake City , UT
    March 16, 2014 8:47 p.m.

    I am Utah fan and at the moment BYU > Utah. As per expert committee of march madness BYU is #10 seed where as #Utah is #5 seed of inferior tournament.
    If you look at overall college basketball history Utah > BYU, they have more NCAA wins and overall success in NBA.
    If you look at Dave Rose era or last decade BYU > Utah. Just look at the numbers.