The two party system is already dead in Utah.
"Ultimately, that dependence will result in the Legislature becoming much
more liberal."Works for me.
Thank you, Senator Reid.
Oh, my word. Also, expect polar bears to migrate south and eat all our children.
Sorry, chicken little, but the sky is not falling.
Senator Reid doesn't want to loose the voters that just hit the R in the
ballot booth. The Republican Party is already warring with each other and he
can't blame SB54 for that fact. One good thing that could happen is the
voting public will have to pay better attention to who the candidate is. And if
they do we may end up with legislators who represent the people of Utah and not
the party. I plan to stay an unaffiliated voter because I have always voted for
the person and not the party, more people should try it and get out and VOTE.
I hope you're wrong, but I fear you're right. In my estimation, the
CMV messaging hides the true agenda and is filled with inaccuracies.The SB54 compromise creates a means of exploitation and a lever to secure
power without the vetting process that the caucus system provides.
Welcome to the future.
If it really does mean the end of domination by right-wing ideologues like this
writer, I'm all for it. Couldn't be happier. Thank you, SB54.
Mr. Reid doesn't even make an attempt at explaining how SB54 will cause any
of the results he lays out in detail.I guess he can't be
accused of using faulty logic, since he doesn't use any logic at all. Not
trying to take a dig at him, just pointing out what should be obvious to anyone.
I have the misfortune to live in the district Reid purportedly represents. My
husband and I, and a lot of our neighbors, do not appreciate his far-right
extremist viewpoints. We will be doing our best to get him out of office. It
won't be in the next election -- he has the district and its caucus system
basically hog-tied -- but hopefully (and soon) we will be able to find a TRUE
conservative (aka mainstream) Republican to replace him. He is a disaster who,
unfortunately, has found a place to happen. Thanks to SB54 for finally
loosening his hold on the district and giving us a way to get a GOOD
representative in his place.
Wow, I have never read a more ranting and raving article from a member of our
State Legislature than this one from Sen Reid! I am even more convinced that
SB54 was the right thing to do. Give the vote back to the people? Sen
Reid's points of view also should have all of us wishing we had term-limits
so we can limit this kind of holier-than-thou attitude from our politicians.
Maybe a little bit of ranting and raving is okay once in a while, but this went
overboard and shows a politician that is bent on maintaining his self-serving
points of view and ability to stay in power. Truly this State has enough good
people that can also serve in the legislature and broaden our perspective of
Wow! Just Wow! After reading this article, I am THRILLED that SB54
Wow! Just, wow! I'm sorry, Senator Reid, but I only made it about
half-way through your article. By that point I was laughing so hard I
couldn't stay on my chair. Thank you for showing us exactly
WHY we need a second road to the primary. Not, of course, for what you said,
but for what you meant.
I think Stuart Reid has been drinking. He hit the alarmist talking points,
mentioning abortion, religion, drinking and gays. I am surprised he didn't
find a way to work "moral majority" and "liberal Media" in
And thus ends our last defense against the ignorant, lazy, incompetent masses of
Looking at politics from a Utah County perspective; this is an attempt to end
the Republican party and values we have held for many years. Those involved in
the push (the liberal leaning Republicans by name only which you reference as
"moderate") to make a sweeping change as they don't like being
booed, or even voted out. Yet they know that, as you point out, that a
candidate with a "D" is not readily electable out side of Salt Lake.
Their solution was to coerce the legislative changes to a private
political party. Does the state serve the people? I would much rather seen the
Republican Party stand up and say no - this is our private party and we will
select our candidates how we choose.
I have never heard of this Senator before and know nothing about him. My first
impression of him after reading this article is that he was elected by the
caucus system, expects to have a harder time keeping his seat under the new
system, and seems a little bitter about the whole thing. In my view, he
isn't doing himself any favors by writing this article. His strategy must
be to make an appeal to the far right in hope that it somehow keeps him in
I expect Senator Reid is wrong. I believe the caucus system will die. I
believe the two parties will thrive with the Republican party becoming more
liberal and the Democratic party becoming stronger. The democrats will be the
more liberal of the two and the republican party being a more liberal, more
normal republican party. The ultra-radical republicans will try to hang on, but
the majority of Utahans will leave the ultra-republicans behind. Senator Lee
will find that his base is gone. There will be few tears at his leaving.
So how about a Utah History Lesson, back in the early 90's a reporter found
the UEA playbook to take over the caucus system and load it with supporters.
The story resulted in Utahans getting involved and protecting their votes. That system lead to the election of people like Norm Bangater, Robert
Bennett, Orin Hatch, Michael Leavitt and even Jon Huntsman. I would hardly
consider any of them ultra-conservative, and could make arguments (based on
their records) that many are more liberal than conservative.I also
recall people having a real interest and having hundreds on Caucus night in a
single precinct. With that involvement, the liberals, the unions, the
environmentalists are left with a choice - to either go back to being a Democrat
in Utah or to use a coercive threat of the CMV to undermine those that are
involved.SB54 does only one thing: makes it easy for uninformed
voters to elect political opportunists within the only viable party. And that
was because the Democratic Party became so disconnected with most everyone in
Utah, Salt Lake City excepted.Quit whining and show up if you really
Sorry JJ in Saratoga, but an election is not your private party. Whether you
want to believe it or not there are many valid opinions besides politics in Utah
@travelrusThe Utah County Republican Party and the Utah State
Republican Party are private organizations. They are not governmental nor
pseudo-governmental agencies. Their purposes, just like other political
parties, are to get their candidates elected.For example:We,
as members of the Utah Republican Party, grateful to Almighty God for life and
liberty, desiring to perpetuate principles of free government and the
blessings of liberty to our posterity, do establish and adopt this
Constitution. This Constitution, the Party Bylaws, and Robert’s
Rules of Order Current Edition are the exclusive governing rules of the
Utah Republican Party.The Party selection process is not governed by
the state and does have the sole authority in determining how they select
candidates. And that same party has the right to either use the government
system of primary elections, or to choose another if desired. The same is true
of other political parties at various levels such as County and State or
Democratic or Republican. It is a private party!
The bottom line is the Party has the ability through their own rules to
determine who will represent them on the ballot. The general election is open
to any qualified voter to cast a vote for a choice.SB54 tries to
strip away some of the private party's right to determine their own
candidate that will appear on the general election ballot.
Yes, We the (lazy, incompetent, uninformed) People with our tiny, Dorito-rotted
brains thank the beneficent Utah Senate for graciously permitting humble us the
privilege guaranteed by the US Constitution -- to actually choose our own
For the naive: It has always been a one party system; both "parties vote
for bigger government, less freedom, and more control. the irony is watching
the ignorant minions fall in line lock, stock, and barrel, claiming that
"their"party has the answers. it is comedy of epic proportions!
The author is spot on. Republicans should choose Republican candidates, not
independents, democrats disaffiliating, or folks who can't make up their
mind which party to join. Form your own party if you wish, and elect your own
candidates. Passing a bill which allows non Republicans to choose
the Republican candidate is akin to treason in a military sense. The
Republicans who voted for SB54 should be booted out because they are creating a
poison pill in their own party. SuicideThere are some conspiracy
theorists out there that claim the parties are the same at the highest levels.
That the politicians are keeping the unwashed masses believing they have a say
in selecting candidates; but that the "powers that be" are really
pulling the strings. SB54 sure fits that mold if you tend to lean that way.
LOL! What a comedy!Death of the two party system?
That's been dead for a while here in utah ever since the Civil Rights
movement and Roe vs Wade. And his claim that special interests will
take over? Huh? That's exactly what we have already. Or does he really
claim that vouchers, prison relocation, rejection of Medicaid expansion, flat
taxes, right to work, worst per pupil funding, and $200 million for iPads really
The op-ed, the comments, it's like I'm in a time machine. Let's
stroll down my memory lane.Take just about any issue, let's go
with the Patriot Act and the Unitary Presidential Theory. I remember when that
passed, to much jubilation in a moderate, statist Republican/Democratic Party,
there were voices in the wilderness who predicted that the Patriot Act, guided
by the radical Unitary Presidential theory would ultimately lead to a police
state. An environment in which government would have complete information
control over every one.Those who dared say this would be the
inevitable outcome of such a power grab were mocked- openly, loudly, and
frequently. A mere decade later we live in a total police state by power. US
Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) just held a press conference two days ago in
which she openly condemned "our" Federal government for using their
total police state power to hack into the computers of US SENATORS and both read
and delete their files. Irony, she supports the police state but not when its
being used against her.In time Senator Reid will be right, but by
all means mock away.
I wish this stuff would go on in liberal states. There are plenty of
disenfranchised Republicans and conservatives in a lot of the blue states.
IF it results in more people showing up and voting in their party primary
(educated on the candidates and other proposals on the ballot)... I'll be
happy.IF more people show up and voting in the general election...
I'll be happy.I personally think the moaning and groaning and
blaming everything on the caucus and convention was bogus. We will see if we
are better off after this bill goes into affect. I don't think ANYBODY
knows what will happen yet.I suspect the person with the best
advertising campaign (which means the richest candidates, with the most generous
donors)... will win.Also people with the most party $$$ (meaning
incumbents)... will win.===What happened to all the
"out with incumbents" sentiment that was going around in 2008? Now it seems like there's a full-court-press to protect incumbents
in Utah!Utah got rid of ONE incumbent... and people (especially his
party) freaked out.Bennett was unfortunate to be running during a
recession, huge federal deficits, and the Bush economic collapse (incumbents
were not popular). But overhauling the system to insure no incumbent ever gets
replaced again... seems like overkill.
@JJ1094If the taxpayers of Utah are paying for your primary it's not
a private party anymore.
I think that most people recognize a rattle snake when they see one coiled in
front of them and will take every measure to get out of its way. Most of those
running, whether a liberal, moderate or conservative member of the Republican,
or Democrat party, will show their true colors in televised debates, or lie, or
spin when the question is asked: "Are you for or against (late-term)
Abortion"? The answer should be a clear "I against late term
abortions", or "I am for late term abortions"< and explain why.
Since this is a bell weather question and identifier of whether you are a
liberal or a conservative, the answer should provide their ideological position.
If they waffle, then they are either spinning or middle of the road. You vote
accordingly. More liberals or moderates may slip through the cracks, but by
their actions, you will know them and their position in the next election thus