sg: To the contrary, when the predominantly Christian nations of Europe were
wallowing in the "Dark Ages," Islamic nations and societies were
thriving with art, literature, architecture, philosophy, and social
enlightenment. Much of what has been preserved in literature we owe to the
Muslims. They did not repress their people or discourage them from learning to
read the way the "Christian" nations were doing. They had great
libraries and encouraged education.Modern Islam does not accurately
reflect the entire history of Islam. For someone to make the blanket statement
of condemnation that you made shows an incomplete education of Islamic history.
joe,I don't see how banning a film encourages art, literature,
and the advancement of social enlightenment. We often rag on
Christians for blind obedience or repression of rights and choices.Banning a video from an entire country because it goes against the religion of
some in your country? That doesn't exactly jive with what joe
is telling us about Islam.
Chris B: Please read my comment again.- I praised the Islamic
civilization during the Dark Ages.- I closed my comment by saying
that "modern Islam does not accurately reflect the entire history of
Islam."Clearly, my comments were about Islam centuries ago.Likewise, my references to Christianity were in the context of the Dark
Ages. Even a cursory study of history reveals that illiteracy was common among
royalty and the common masses alike in England and France, for example. By
comparison, Spain had a strong Moorish influence and, as a result, had several
cultural centers of learning and art.Most of Europe was illiterate,
uncultured, and warlike well into the 12th century. Even after the Enlightenment
began to take hold, it took several centuries for Christian nations to eclipse
Islamic nations in art and literature.Certainly there are factors
outside of the two major religions of Christianity and Islam. But in 1088, for
example, when the Normans invaded England, I think the world views of Islam and
Christianity would be much the opposite of what they are today.My
objection to sg's comment was his claim that Islam has been a problem
throughout its history. Not true.
sg, Allah is a derivative of the word "Elohim" and is the
same God as the Jewish and Christian God. While not a Muslim, I do respect their
right to worship as they please. I think you misunderstand their angst against
depictions of Allah or prophets. Muslims are extremely adverse to anything that
looks like idol worship. The religion was founded as a reaction to the idolatry
that was rampant at the Ka'aba in Mecca (Mekkah) in the 7th century, so it
does make some sense that they view any graven image, including pictures, as
idolatry. Like Mormonism, Islam is a restoration religion. Also,
during the Dark Ages, Muslims in Cordoba, Spain created a tolerant environment
where Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived in relative peace together and the
Muslim scholars there rescued much of the art, literature, and history of
Ancient Greece, and Ancient Rome that would be re-introduced to European
societies during the late Middle Ages. Without those scholars, our Constitution
would have never been written and our government would look very different today
assuming we even had achieved independence or Columbus discovered America.
sj, as well meaning as you may be Islam as a religion is not as horrible as you
portray. There are many good Islamic people and many teachings of Islam are
good, albeit not as great and whole as the Gospel of Jesus Christ.What you say is very offensive to them and I would encourage you to gain a
fuller understanding of Islam as well as other religions not of our faith...not
with the intent of conversion to these other relgions, but to gain an
understanding and thus a deeper level of empathy for other people in general. :)
I don't think that "Noah" should be banned but I hope it will be
widely boycotted as an insult to the faith of tens of millions of Christians,
Jews and Moslems throughout the world. I just ask that people who are
considering taking their families to this movie will seek out a score of reviews
and diligently consider. The disclaimer does not go far enough in my opinion.
As for Moslems the faith stated, accurately as far as the LDS faith
goes. that the Judaeo-Christian culture has abandoned much of its original
righteous practice. It amazes me that so much of the so-called Christian world
does not even officially accept the divinity of Jesus Christ. We can all do
better, Christian, Jew and Christian alike.
@Gildas – “I just ask that people who are considering taking their
families to this movie will seek out a score of reviews and diligently
consider.”I wouldn’t worry too much. For most people
like me, watching Noah (which I plan to see) will have the same impact on our
lives as watching Lord of the Rings… which is to say I will enjoy being
entertained by a (fictitious) movie if the story, script and acting are good.And that would not change even if the script were word for word from the
Bible, although I doubt a 5 minute movie would be very entertaining.
As for needing a disclaimer that the movie contains extrabiblical material, all
I can come up with is "Duh." There isn't enough biblical material
to fill a half-hour movie, let alone a full-length feature film. Do they think
we're idiots? Well, maybe.
I never seen a Biblical movie that didn't take artistic license.
Unfortunately, the Islamic nations have remained in the dark ages. There is
little progress beyond where they stood in 1300 and the clerics that run these
nations seem much inclined to remain this way.
It's really not a matter of choices. You nothing about Islam, or some ultra
conservative Jewish Americans and Amish who will also not be watching the movie.
It's not how the prophet is portrayed it is THAT an image of him is
displayed via a human actor. That in itself is incredible disrespectful in the
Muslim faith. A country whose constitution is based on Islam or has a large
number of Muslims is going to prohibit it. They aren't angry that the movie
exists. As for the Christians in the US who decide in advance not to see it, no
one is required to see it. They can not make a two hour movie and not add stuff
Tyler D,I believe the Biblical account and I still agree that you
will be entertained by a (largely) fictitious account. The trailers I have seen
have little to do with the story I know.
Who is this "sg"? everyone is writing to? Can't find any name in
the article with these initials, neither does it refer to Deseret News.Movies continue to escalate in violence, loud volume, creation of controversy,
in sexual content, special effects, etc....this movie is no doubt part of that
continuum, and not pretending to tell the actual, as that, incredibly, would be
too dull and boring to today's movie goers. "Noah" no doubt is
about making money, and is a vehicle to some to get folks to view what they
consider their talents to be. Islam does seem to be doing that
which Christianity & Judaism should be doing, that is holding to the story
and values of Holy Scripture.
What I'll be interested to see are the box office results. It
opens on the same day as Sabotage w/ Arnold. The next week is the Captain
I plan to see the movie when it opens. I consider myself intelligent enough to
know the difference between a Hollywood account and actual history. (In fact
I've recognized the difference since I was in the third grade) From what
I've seen in the trailers it will be a dramatic and exciting fictional
portrayal of an ancient historical event. I'm sure I'll be
entertained. And if not.. well, I will at least enjoy the popcorn.
@Twin Lights – “I believe the Biblical account…”Hmmm… just want to make sure I understand. You believe in the
literal flood story, despite there being zero scientific evidence such an event
ever occurred not to mention the logical problems with the story itself
(predator & prey animals livings together, food/water supply, number of
species on the planet vs. what could possible fit on even the largest boat, a
salt water flood necessarily killing all fresh water life, etc., etc.,
etc…)?Even as a teaching story (which is what all religious
myths are) I find it troubling on many levels, and as I’ve said before,
the most troubling aspect of the Bible for me is there seems to be only one
absolute moral imperative throughout – Obey God!
@Twin Lights:Do you really believe that Noah lived to be 950 years
old? That's quite a stretch.
The actions of Muslims in a few nations should not be taken to reflect the views
or attitudes of all Muslims everywhere. Islam is a religion lacking a
centralized leadership, and the actions and views of Muslims vary across a wide
For those who think there is insufficient material in the scriptures to pen a
scripturally faithful script on the subject of The Flood, I would point out that
there are five chapters in the Book of Genesis very pertinent to this subject
and at least two in The Book of Moses in the Pearl of Great Price. There is
more than enough for a serious and scriptural epic, one that is long overdue.What a pity that all we get is this tawdry offering that is hardly based
on scripture at all, ignores most of the scriptural material that is available,
and invents derisible extraneous material that is contrary to both the letter
and spirit of the biblical account. I encourage interested parties
to read the available scriptures in Genesis 6 through 10, and Moses 7 and 8,
thirteen pages in my scriptures. What a vast canvas is there presented. What a
wonderful movie it would make!!
I'm not sure that Noah had highlights either….
So why did christianity have it's dark age during the dark ages and Islam
is only doing it now? They are really regressing it would seem.
What? The "religion of peace" would ban a bible movie? I'm
Tyler D,Why the demeaning retort to Twin Lights? He was agreeing
with you that the movie will be a largely fictitious account of the bible. So what if he believes the bible story, I do too. I respect your
unbelief, so leave it there.
Meah. It's all made up fables and mythology, it is completely laughable
that critics would complain it is not "historically accurate". It takes
about 5 minutes using a calculator to demonstrate this is simply another
ludicrous fairy tale.
"While artistic license has been taken, we believe that this film is true to
the essence, values, and integrity of a story that is a cornerstone of faith for
millions of people worldwide," LOL yeah sure
@Tyler Ddon't predator and prey animals live together at the zoo?
Noah couldn't build cages? he built a massive boat why not a few small
@shamrockso according to you back in the 1800's, people didn't
only live to about 60 yrs old? Compared to now when people live into the
100's sometimes including my own grandpa. then why not 950 yrs old
thousands of years ago? we're you alive back then?
Kings CourtAlpine, UT"Without those (Muslim) scholars, our
Constitution would have never been written and our government would look very
different today assuming we even had achieved independence or Columbus
discovered America."er....not really. The US Constitution is
directly descended from the peculiarly English notion that freeborn men should
be able to choose their own destiny. The Roman and later European concept of
power permeating down from an Emperor rather than upwards from the people was
completely alien to the English (and later American) way of thinking. The US
constitution exists because of Anglos-Saxon tribesmen not Muslim scholars.
I recently saw The Son of God;the film, that is. Though I am LDS and the film
did not contain significant doctrinal points in which I believe, I have
recommended it to others. Similarly, I will support the film Noah so as to
encourage other writers/directors/producers to further invest in films on these
Interesting when we compare Islam we go back to the dark ages. When we examine
Christianity we also go back to the dark ages, hoping for rhetorical points. Both have very little relevance to today.
I believe the bible to be exact and true.Just like the b of m.We
will see in heaven.
The account of Noah is one of the most well attested in Hebrew, Christian and
Moslem tradition and scripture. MUCH detail is given in scripture but this
movie predominantly trashes Noah and lies about the most basic elements of these
accounts:1. The Bible states that: Noah was a just man and perfect
in his generations, and Noah walked with God. (Genesis 6:9).The
"movie" shows Noah as an evil man who hates mankind and even his own
family, and sets about murdering them.2. The Bible states that:
God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply and
replenish the earth. This bizarre and evil film shows Noah as
hating and wishing the destruction of the entire human race, including his own
family, and suggests that the only purpose of the ark was to save animal
life.The Bible states that: Every moving thing that liveth shall be
meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things. He adds:
Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed, for in the
image of God made he man. (Genesis 9:3,6).
Do NOT go see Noah the movie!!!! I walked out of it (one of the first I have
ever walked out of). I went trying to give Hollywood the benefit of the doubt,
knowing that they would need to add some artistic interpretation given the small
storyline from Genesis. However, when Hollywood injected the idea that Noah
couldn't get answers from God and wanted to murder his granddaughter, I
couldn't stand it anymore. I was disgusted by the portrayal of an axe
wielding Noah who kills countless people. I was appalled by the fact that they
made up a storyline that a bad guy secretly snuck on to the boat and conspired
with Ham to kill Noah while on the boat. I was offended that they portrayed a
prophet as a man not preaching repentance but as a man determined to end the
human race including his own family. Besides the fact that there is a man with a
boat and animals, this movie in no way follows the story found in Genesis.