Being that I have as many conference tournament championships as Dave Rose, and
being that Dave Rose said today byu most likely has to win the WCC tournament to
go dancing, I'd say byu's chances of dancing are somewhere between
slim and none.This scenario of playing Portland/LMU was a lose lose
for byu.Both of those teams proved better than byu at certain times
during the year(see scoreboard)Should be a close gameGo
LMU(insert mascot here since no one outside of the WCC even knows it)
Bowl-less 2014 Ute JuniorsDave Rose has won FOUR conference
championships and taken his team to SIX, going on SEVEN NCAAs. BYU is a lock for
the Big Dance as long as the Cougars make it to the WCC championship game.During the same period, Utah has won ONE conference championship (shared
with BYU) and only played in ONE NCAA tournament game. The only chance the Utes
have of getting an NCAA invite is by winning the PAC 12's auto bid, like
that's ever going to happen.
Yup, BYU lost to LMU at LMU BEFORE ROSE SHUFFLED HIS STARTING LINE UP.BYU
is a much better team now. Haws scores like Jimmer.Carlino has
Jimmer range.Winder is a beast, scoring in double digits as a starter with
a smothering defense.Collinsworth is a real match up problem playing the
1-4 spots. Jabari Parker only plays the 2,3 & 4 positions.Mika and
Worthington are both beasts. Worthington has really emerged in the last few
games.Josh Sharp and Nate Austin are not to be ignored.These
eight players would start on almost any other team in the conference, many would
start in the PAC-12.Yeah, they will go dancing.
I like the matchup and opportunity for revenge against LMU. Looking forward to
watching the Cougs play on Saturday.
2014 Ute Juniors without a bowlThanks for checking in.Dave Rose has won FOUR conference championships, has been to SIX, going on
SEVEN Big Dances, and is 12-4 versus that little school up north.In
the same time period, the Utes have ONE conference championships (shared with
BYU), have only managed to make it to ONE NCAA, and haven't won a single
game in the Big Dance in almost a decade.BYU is a lock for an
at-large bid as long as they make it to the WCC championship game.Utah has no chance of getting an at-large bid.Just to help out our
uninformed little friend, here's a list of WCC mascots:BYU
COUGARS!Gonzaga BulldogsLoyola Marymount LionsPacific
TigersPepperdine WavesPortland PilotsSaint Mary's
GaelsSan Diego TorerosSan Francisco DonsSanta Clara BroncosCheck out pictures of the campuses of each - some of the most beautiful
campuses in the country.
ChrisB"I'd say BYU's (incorrect grammar corrected)
chances of dancing are somewhere between slim and none."Yay!
This means BYU is going to win the WCC tourney and go dancing! Thanks ChrisB!
Well, how funny those trolls up north. Good luck on your part with the PAC.Yes LMU is dangeous and we better be ready no matter what. We lose this
one then we sweat at selection day with the ncaa or hello again at nit. So anyway, good luck Cougars.
The Rock,I really agree with you, except I don't think I would call
Worthington a "beast". I think he gives very good minutes, which is odd
to say because he has more fouls than points or rebounds most of the time.
Worthington will be a very good, all-around player for BYU eventually. You
forgot Austin who is a beast on the boards.
Watching that LMU vs Portland game last night, I kept saying, BYU does not want
to face that tenacious, swarming D we all witnessed last night. They are quick
and they press in order to catch up when they are behind. Never rooted so hard
for another team to win, but the Pilots could not deal with the pressure. It
seemed at times as though the refs got caught up in it too. Time will tell. Go
@No playoff for UI do not condone the tone of comments by '2013
Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0', but that comment is correct. Dave Rose has
never won a conference tournament. The last won was 2001.BYU has
only won 3 conference tournaments in its history.
I'm sure Rose will have the team watching the LMU/Port game today in
preparation for tomorrow's game. They'll need to really work on
breaking the full-court and not let it frustrate them into mistakes. The
Orleans is a strange arena and BYU hasn't played terrific there. Hoping
the team is mentally ready and we see the tough minded play we saw the last few
weeks. I think getting the champ. game will get us in the NCAA but falling in
first round will mean NIT. Go Coug's!!
I think BYU will do better against the type of pressure LMU put on Portland, but
we'll have to see. They may not even use it.One thing that
I'm pretty sure of: BYU won't commit 20 turnovers and give up 30
points off turnovers. Sure, it could happen. However, I have to believe coach
Rose will have his players prepared for that.Without those points
off turnovers, LMU has no chance in that game last night. They had difficulty
even making lay ups.I don't want to seem as if I'm
discrediting LMU in any way. However, BYU is clearly the better team and should
do just fine.
BYU should win easily.There will be a large crowd rooting for
BYU.If Tyler gets on a roll...BYU by 30.However...LMU will be coming into the game with momentum...with nothing to
lose.BYU will be coming into the game with everything to lose.When BYU plays tight...the shots don't fall.When the
shots don't fall...the Cougars tend to press.When the Cougars
press...they tend to lay an egg.In a one and done setting...the
pressure will be on the over-whelming favorite...not to lose.
Let's see. To win the conference championship BYU must defeat Layola
Marymount whose record is 13 wins and 18 losses. Then a game against an
unranked team in the Semi-finals and finally a game against another unranked
team (Presumably Gonzaga who was 30th in the latest AP pool) What a conference.
What a way to insure an automatic invitation to the "big dance"!
No playoff for U"The only chance the Utes have of getting an
NCAA invite is by winning the PAC 12's auto bid, like that's ever
going to happen."Don't discredit the rest of a good comment
by adding such a silly ending. I agree with your assessment on BYU and its
chances but to say Utah doesn't have a chance at an at large bid or at
winning the PAC 12 tourney is absurd. Why you say? Most analysts
have the PAC 12 pegged as a 6-invite league this year. If Utah can beat Stanford
in their final game it may very well put them at 4th in the final standings.
While that alone won't necessarily make Utah one of 6 that get an invite,
add a couple wins in the Pac 12 tourney and that could change things in a hurry.
Additionally, all you have to do is look at how well Utah has played
every team in the Pac 12 this year to understand that they could very well win
the Pac 12 tourney. This is by no means a prediction that they will, but simply
a statement that much crazier things have happened.
What does Utah's chance of making the NCAA Tournament have to do with LMU
beating Portland to face BYU in the WCC Quarters? Why is that even being
"Who Am I Sir?"Everyone knows the WCC is not as competitive
as the PAC12. You're touting old news, again. If that's all
you've got to contribute, you might as well not be wasting your time. How a
team does in their conference is more important than which conference they
belong to. Especially since all conference tournament winners get automatic bids
to the NCAA tournament. At least give BYU credit for joining a
conference where they have a decent chance of winning it. The same can't be
said for Utah. They've never once finished in the upper half of their
conference. Sadly, Utah fans spent more time and energy bragging and talking
about their conference than they do about their own team... the Utes.
That's a strong indicator that they're over their heads. That said, I do hope they do well against Stanford. Coach Larry has made great
strides with the Ute program since taking over. I'd love to see as many
teams as possible from our state make it into the NCAA tournament this year. Good luck to the Cougars and Utes... as well as the Aggies.
NevadaCoug-Why is that even being discussed here?Because the DesNews
comment police are so good at enforcing their own policies. Of course, if they
did, we'd be missing 85% of the comments on BYU articles because Christy
from Ogden (and her 12 other alter egos) wouldn't have a single one
approved. That's a two edged sword though because removing her BYU
obsession would be like cancelling the comic section of the newspaper.Now watch the irony. This comment will be denied as off topic or disruptive.
How do you spot a perennial bottom-dweller? They always talk about how great
their conference competition is rather than their team. Really! Who cares who
you lose to? BYU has been a great basketball program the past decade, and yes
the Pac12 is a great conference (without Utah's help). Go BYU!
@ 2013 Ute Seniors:I've actually forgotten what the mascot for
Utah's teams is. Would you please remind me... assuming they actually have
one. One other question. Since Utah's preseason schedule was
literally full of teams that none of us know the mascot name of, why didn't
Utah schedule some of those WCC teams (other than the annual BYU game)? Perhaps
they're smart enough to know their own competence level when it comes to
winning. But it is telling and perhaps a good reason you should consider
shutting up about constantly knocking the WCC. It gets old and simply
demonstrates a high level of college sports ignorance.
@ 81Ute:Besides Dave Rose, Coach Larry K has never won a conference
championship either. So what's your point?The teams playing
this year are playing for themselves and not ancient history. No NCAA bids are
given based on how many championships any team's coach has won in the past.
It's totally irrelevant. Chris B brings up such things simply because he
doesn't have anything more pertinent or intelligent to offer. That's
the reason most readers simply ignore his comments. I'm glad you're
astute enough to say that you usually don't agree with his adversarial
attitude him, either. Both Dave Rose and Larry K are both proving
themselves to be very good coaches. Rose has taken BYU's teams to post
season play every year he's been a head coach and to the NCAA tournament
more years than not. Larry K has helped the Utes improve every year since
he's been their head coach, with more good things ahead. As such,
there's no reason to lower the quality of comment dialog by being negative
about either coach or school.
"No NCAA bids are given based on how many championships any team's
coach has won in the past."I do understand the point you are
making. However, we all know that in some cases, bids (or seeding) are granted
due to past performance or the reputation of the coach. (*cough*Duke*cough)
copacetic,Wrong. Coach K does have a conference tournament
championship. And I'll spare you the rebuttal "yes I know Coach Mike K
does," Coach K on the hill does as well.Check your facts
@81Ute. Thanks for that informative post. Way to contribute.
Chris B. is right, I went ahead and "checked the facts". I had to dig a
bit but sure enough, coach Larry K has won a conference tournament. In 2004 his
mighty Montana Grizzlies beat the formidable Weber State Wildcats by two points
to take home the Big Sky title. That is definitely more impressive than Dave
Rose's four NCAA tournament wins.
Having personally witnessed the Portland/LMU game last night, I can only warn
the Cougars to ignore the comments of some of the opposing fans. My biggest
surprise was that the ushers did not escort one certain group to the doors
within the first few minutes. i don't believe that players or fans should
have to listen to very personal attacks for the entire game. As a society, we
have lost it if we can't stand up to a few fans who try to take over. Last
night, the bad behavior distracted from a rather spectacular comeback.