Someone else needs to be as aggressive inside as Onwas is. As strong and
athletic as Prince is, the guy just can't make free throws. Hopefully he
spends as much time at the free throw line this summer as he does in the weight
A other great PAC 12 game against another likely tournament team. We
are starting to get some bubble talk. Coach k has the guy peaking at the right
time. Utah may make the PAC 12 a seven bid league if we win the
tournament like coach k plans on doing. I'm going to the
tournament to watch our boys bring home a dance ticket!Show up
muss!Lets get this win utes!
Utes up late in second half. Looks like we may be getting a HUGE
road win. Onward and upward
They need to start making free throws if they want to get this one.
And the prestigious PAC 12 utes get a huge road win over a tournament team to go
above .500 in the second best conference in the nation. That is a big
accomplishment. I've said it before and I will say it again. I
love my PAC 12 membership!The naysayers said we would be last in the
PAC 12 And that we couldn't beat byUAnd that we
couldn't beat ucla. And that we couldn't destroy asu And we couldn't beat cal on the road. And now we
can't win the tournament?Ok!
Utes WIN!Dancing is looking more and more likely each game. Naysayers, where are you now?Onward and upward to PAC 12
glory!I am so happy!
Sloppy would be an understatement. Two teams that can barely make it to 60
Jon Crispin said it right: phantom "fouls" keeping the Bears in the game
down the stretch, confusion on timeouts, missed 5 second call, worst officiating
down the stretch EVER. Dave Hall is THE worst college official I've ever
seen. Good to see the team keep composure and come away with it in the end,
Great game, Utes! Despite some very questionable calls against them in the end,
Utah hung in there and won a big game against a good Cal team on the road.
Let's carry this over to Saturday at Stanford, then on to Vegas.Go Utes!
Wow! All night we couldn't shoot free throws and make shots... down the
stretch we couldn't miss free throws and a huge 3 point shot by Taylor to
put Utah up for good.Good win! Currently in 6th place in the
PAC-12. Now lets close out with a win over Stanford.Go UTES!!
Great coaching and clutch free throws to close the game. Clutch threes by Taylor
to keep them in it down the stretch. Good defense on Delon under the basket but
he found other ways to be effective. Great all around player.
Good work by the Utes; but, man, watching them play the last 90 seconds or so of
any close game this year is like going to the dentist for root canal work.Still, its the big picture that matters and the arrow is pointed in the
right direction.A W is a W, especially on the road.
Congratulations to the University of Utah on their 20th win on the season!Go Utes!
Uh oh! Cougar fans are not going to like this. Utah wins on the road against a
very good Cal team who probably will go to the NCAA tournament. A
road win against Stanford this weekend will put Utah back in the discussions for
an at-large bid. The Pac-12 tournament will be exciting this year.
Delon is the best player in the state...and in the wcc.
At large prospects for the PAC 12 took a huge hit tonight with ugly home losses
by both Bay Area teams.
Ugly but valuable win.Ogbe and Fields need a little more playing
time. Loveridge & Delon need to work on their outside shooting
during the off season.
Way to grind it out Utah! This was a big one.Go Utes!
Great win, Utes over a likely NCAA tournament team on the road. We are now
guaranteed at least .500 in the Pac-12. Let's do to Stanford what Colorado
did last night and get another road win over a likely NCAA tournament team.
Too bad if Utah doesn't make the big dance; it seems they are quite likely
the best basketball team in Utah right now. Perhaps only Weber State or UVU
make the dance---maybe BYU. If they played head on head, bet Utah would make
hay of all of them
Huge win,I believe there were a lot of people on this board saying
that 20 wins was an impossibility. Guess what, they got it. A
great milestone for this team. 20 wins, guaranteed a .500 record for the Pac-12.
It's awesome.Go Utes
Great win last night! They're heating up at just the right time. I hope
this gives them confidence to go get one more on Saturday. Its been a great
season of growth for this team.
"Naysayers, where are you now?"I'm right here. You beat
a slumping CAL team (congrats on the 2nd road win of the year though!) and
you're going to play at a slumping Stanford team. Utah is definitely
improving, but they still won't make the tournament. Both Utah schools are
going to have to win their respective tournament if they hope to dance.
Utah's chances are still very small, especially if Wright keeps shoots over
"a very good Cal team who probably will go to the NCAA tournament."I don't think Cal goes to the tourney now. They have lost too many.
I see this resulting in fewer teams from the PAC going to the dance than
We jumped upward double digits in RPI by winning at CAL and continue ranking
highly in rankings other than RPI, which is virtually exclusively tied to SOS
w/little regard to any other relevant factor, including Ws/Ls, game outcomes,
key players out, close home games vs on the road, etc. RPI factors heavily into
which will rather than which should make it--I speak of such
rankings as ESPN's BPI Rankings, which is explained in detail by
ESPN....The U's own Kenpom is closer to BPI's accuracy than others,
but ESPN makes a strong case for BPI being second to none in being the most
thorough/complete measure regarding the various power rankings currently out
there and I agree w/them.Achieving a high RPI in one's OOC
Schedule essentially consists of successfully convincing as many top-tier
programs to agree to scheduling a game....The outcome of any given game is
irrelevant to its ultimate effect, particularly when a handful in total are
scheduled w/in any given year.We play in an elite power conf, so we
must only continue what we started OOC w/scheduling KU in K.C. next season.
Bleed Crimson"Uh oh! Cougar fans are not going to like
this."au contraireUtah's win over #57
California actually strengthens #31 BYU's at-large resume (slightly), while
weakening a bubble team that was listed with BYU in Lunardi's Last Four
Byes.Meanwhile, the #72 Utes still have a long way to go to become a
bubble team with only one regular season game left to do it.
pocyUte"I believe there were a lot of people on this board
saying that 20 wins was an impossibility."The Utes, with a #119
SOS, are only 18-9 versus D-1 teams.
Two things weighted will be how we concluded our season and the fact we
currently have merely one sub-RPI #86 L....Not to mention virtually the entirety
of our very best Ws were double digit whoopings.BTW, Stanford's
hardly slumping. Review carefully which teams they've most recently lost
to/Where/Their current rankings and which conf opponents overall they have Ls
to....Their worst L was at RPI #103 OSU....CAL has been a Jekyll & Hyde, yet
they're extremely top-heavy/Coach MM carries much weight & have merely
one really bad L at USC, w/next worst at RPI #106 UCSB on 12/06/13.... Neither
Bay Area school is stuck w/a handful of really bad Ls and possesses multiple
signature Ws achieving well past the very first week of the regular season way
back in early November....Not to mention their Conference SOS in Low 40s, not in
triple digits.I suppose when byu beats a team it's a W for the
ages, but when it's The U registering the W, the opponent must be slumping.
@FACTchequer"The Utes, with a #119 SOS, are only 18-9 versus D-1
teams."And the Cougs are roughly 1-4 versus D-1 teams. You have
one D-1 team in your conference, and you played about three others out of
conference.Point is, SMH at BYU fans dropping schedule smack. Which
high school do you play this week?
Good road win, no matter how you slice it. Utah is in a 4 way tie for 5th in the
conference. They are ranked #34 (BPI) and #35 (Sagrin). A win Saturday, and they
finish in the top 6 in the conference. Time for Joe Lunardi to wake up and look
at Utah's resume. The RPI is killing them (#72). Huge disparity between
RPI, BPI and Sagarin.I also love how the win uspsets all of the
Haters. Instead of saying good for Utah and they got a nice win; it's
always the other team played horrible and they (Cal) are a terrible team. How
sad; weak sauce indeed. Anything, and I mean anything but give Utah credit. Go Utes!>----->
Cal may be "slumping" but they are predicted to go to the tournament and
remember they beat Arizona back on Feb. 1st.Three wins in a row now
for the Utes (against teams to which they were considered the underdog) and 20
wins on the season!Nothing but praise for this team of players and
coaches.Now let's go get Stanford on Saturday and make some
noise in the Pac-12 tourney next week!
Wow. I have never seen such sloppy basketball, and officiating. To bad it had
to be on TV so the whole nation could see what real pac 12.2 basketball is
really like. Cal and U just lost respect in the eyes of the basketball
world.Neither Cal or u will go dancing now and Stanford is looking
less likely. Oregon is on the bubble. Pac may get 4 teams now.
SOS smack talk from BYU fans continues to amaze. Despite Utah's horrible
non conference schedule the strength of the PAC 12 conference now has their SOS
at 80 according to Sagarin.Despite BYUs top 10 non conference
schedule, the weakness of the WCC now has them at 65.After Utah
plays Stanford and BYU plays another patsy from the WCC this week, don't be
surprised if both teams have a low 70s SOS by Sunday.
UUYou're really delusional if you think that one or two games
in a 30-game schedule is going to significantly impact BYU's or Utah's
SOS.Playing 40% of your schedule (12 of 30 games) against one of THE
WORST non-conference SOSs in the country will continue to be a significant drag
on Utah's overall SOS.BYU SOS: non-conf #4, overall #25Utah SOS: non-conf #346, overall #1198 of Utah's 20 wins have
come versus RPI #277+ or non-D-1 teams (that's BOTTOM 100)
FC--"#31 BYU(21-10) #25 SOS is 7-6 versus RPI Top 100 and has
played ranked #2 Wichita St, #16 Iowa St, and #26 Texas, BYU is 6-9(40%) in
road/neutral games with FOUR RPI Top 100 wins"Nice try.... Texas
is currently unranked identically being unranked when byu play against them
seemingly decades ago, as well as Stanford.. They lost to each OOC ranked
opponent proving one is required to merely schedule such opponents not beat them
in order to maintain a high RPI.The PAC-12 top to bottom is ranked
3rd toughest overall conf nationally, a level of difficulty not predicated upon
human voting.byu has not merely one, but rather four unconscionable
losses to their credit and, the debate clincher of them all, in what proved to
be on par w/Sav St-like easy, we destroyed byu head to head and did so in every
facet possible, it was that thorough. Easily one of our very softest OOC
opponents, hands down! And this is currently the weak cc's #2 seed. A
reason GU/byu are on list of most Tourn app w/out reaching The F4!
FactcheckYou can say all you want about SOS, and what not, but the
FACTS are5th Place in the Pac-1220 winsover .500 in the
Pac-12Over and over again Ute haters were claiming Utah would be in
the cellar of the Pac-12 this year. Fact: They are in the upper half with 1
game to go.When it looked like they were going to have a winning
record, trolls on this board said they wouldn't get 20 wins, and now they
have it.I just appreciate the trolls coming on here spewing their
smack, cause each time they get a huge serving of crow.
UUProvo, UT"SOS smack talk from BYU fans continues to
amaze. Despite Utah's horrible non conference schedule the strength of the
PAC 12 conference now has their SOS at 80 according to Sagarin."Agreed. byu fans are truly an amazing bunch. I don't understand the
point they are trying to make with these comparisons in RPI, SOS, etc. They had
their chance to beat Utah and they couldn't do it. In fact, they were
utterly destroyed (just like football). Their preconference schedule was
respectable but they lost to all of the good teams even though byu fans seem to
believe they are entitled to count moral victories. Their conference schedule
is the WCC which is obviously one of the worst. What is the point
and purpose of all the talk from byu fans? What are they trying to accomplish?
FC--Do U not realize that other than catching unranked
Stanford/Texas during the reg season's first week, byu's best Ws all
have come against fellow juggernauts comprising the nation's ninth toughest
overall conf w/their annual allottment of 2 token Tourney invites, yet laughter
erupts whenever "Final Four" is mentioned?Seriously, U
include that nat powerhouse USF in the mix why, because they were equally
successful getting top-tier teams to agree to schedule themselves an automatic W
so that USF could maintain a higher RPI ranking as a result of succeeding in
scheduling a guaranteed L? They also scheduled a Home L against The Big
Sky's Idaho State!
Great defensive battle reminded me of the games against new Mexico in the
Always amazed that some people can't just enjoy a win. The first person on
this board to bring up BYU or any sort of "hate" at all was a Utah fan.
Wish others wouldn't fall for the bait and just ignore. I watched some of
the game and want to congratulate the Utes on good defensive play. Coach Kryst
certainly seems to have the team heading in the right direction. And in other
news….. Jimmy won the 4th grade spitting contest at the local elementary
PocyUte is spot on. Notice how the phrase perenial cellar dwellers
has disappeared? Notice how the Beat down Utah put on BYU is never mentioned?
Notice how the Sagarin and BPI rankings are never mentioned? Now that's
curious. BYU fans love to talk about Chris B, but the number of fans
who flock to Utah threads in an attemp to be-little the program far out weigh
one or two individuals. Classy, very classy indeed!
Good Job Utah,You just knocked Cal out of Lunardi's bracket.
PAC went from 7 to 6 teams projected. Lunardi bumped BYU up to an 11 seed. Utah
has a unique chance to make some noise and stir the pot regarding the PAC 12.
I'm morbidly curious to see what would happen if Utah makes a similar run
in the tourney like last year. who knows, maybe Utah get's an at large, but
it would depend on winning this Saturday and going relatively deep in the PAC
tourney. Good luck, but I still don't think Utah makes the
Crow - Exactly! The game was very reminiscent of those great Big Monday games
Good win for the Utes, but let's hold off on the dance talk just yet. Cal
is a mediocre team (RPI 57 BPI 65). And, this is just the 2nd win for the Utes
outside of the Huntsman center this year. Quite frankly, the Utes
non-conference sched is really going to hurt. I still give them a chance, but I
think they need to beat stanford and then have a deep run in the Pac 12 tourney,
(semis) to have a shot at an at large bid. I wish them luck.
You have to be impressed with the job Coach K and his staff are doing with this
team. Considering the Boylen era dumpster fire they inherited, this year's
results are encouraging. No question about a weak out of conference schedule
this year, but tremendous progress in a top tier conference is encouraging.
Coach K has two years left on his contract, but I'd like to see Chris Hill
get a contract extension wrapped up. Go Utes !!
pocyUteYou can say all you want about records, conferences, and SOS,
but, bottom line is where bracketologists are projecting BYU and Utah to
finish:In the latest 2014 Bracket Matrix, which includes 98
different brackets, including all of the big ones like ESPN, USA Today, Yahoo,
and CBS:BYU is projected to be an 11th seed, with an average of
11.13 in EIGHTY-FOUR of 98 bracketsUtah is listed in "others receiving
votes" in ONE bracket, as a 12th seedIt's quite obvious
that the rest of the country isn't nearly as impressed with Utah as the
kids living under the crimson bubble.
I'm just happy to see the Utes exceed virtually everyone's
expectations, except perhaps their own and those of Coach K. Go Utes!
Spokane-- Care to take a challenge on your claim and actually count the posts?
It would be quite revealing, indeed. Congrat's on your team's recent
@CougarSunDevilGood post and accurate. Still a lot of work to be
done by Utah. Saturday is pivotal for both Stanford and Utah. Almost an
elimination game. If Utah wins Saturday and get's a PAC 12 conference win
or two, they could be in good shape. It will be hard to keep out a team with a
top 30 BPI. If BYU bakes it to the WCC championship, which they probably will,
they are in. March Madness Rocks! Take Care Guy!
LonestarRunner- "bottom line is where bracketologists are
projecting...Utah to finish" I will grant you that that is true for college
basketball GENERALLY.But when it comes to Utah and BYU, the
"bottom line" is SCOREBOARD!
cougar fans can have the lunardi trophy. The real competition and the proof is
on the court, with scoreboard having the final say. Go Utes!
In beating Stanford, should we accomplish this feat, and then assuming we manage
to reach at minimum our conference tourney's semi-finals, we'd not
only vault our RPI Ranking upward, we'd also simultaneously accomplish
racking up more wins away from home, which is something Lunardi specifically
harped on in his "INSIDER" article posted today!
@SoupTwinsNope, don't care to take the time; and actually I
really shouldn't even give a rip. I try to ignore certain screen names.
It's always the same drivel with out much content to their post. Just a
hate filled rant. Oh well, to each his own. Thanks and we will see
what happens on Saturday. Either way I like this team; they compete even though
they have faltered down the stretch at times.Have a Good One; the
Spokane Ute is out!
Kudos to Utes and coach Larry K - first road win vs. team w/winning record. As
for the Big Dance....Utes will have to win at Stanford and perform at tournament
next weekend or else it'll be NIT for 'em. Cal is slumping and
won't be in NCAA unless they win the whole thing next weekend (not
likely)....bad losses at AZ and ASU last week - and now this. But credit where
credit's due - Utes are definitely improving. Coach Krystko's plan -
let 'em shoot from outside, foul-foul-foul in the paint and make the Bears
hit their throws - was a good one. I salute him.See you all in
Vegas - the Tucson Wildcats await you.
p.s. To add to my previous comment, byu was also on Lunardi's list of
"Road Dogs" having posted a losing Road/Neutral record. I suspect he
was certain to list them on it since it included a handful of absolutely
horrible Ls. This is not talking trash, it's a statement of fact. Equally
factual is our OOC Schedule not even remotely up to par, as it was constructed
during our 6 win season 2 years ago while not knowing how rapidly Coach K would
kill the rebuilding curve we were at the time about to commence down.Other than catching 2 superior teams during the season's 1st week,
byu's beat nobody away from home, which makes their seemingly endless
references to our severely beaten to a pulp horse of an OOC Schedule
mind-boggling, as if explaining why it was what it was and how it was literally
a 1 year occurrence didn't matter, it served its purpose for them to use as
a distraction-tactic to keep the focus off of what they weren't
accomplishing themselves and, most importantly, off of the demolition we
administered upon byu, head to head [not hypothetically].
Since we won prestegous cal on the road it proves we are even more prestegous
now so we will make the final 4 in the big dance no problem.Go Utes!
The SF Chronicle sports writer [Crumpacker - I kid you not!]put into words what
I was seeing late last night..."With plenty to play for in the
final week of the regular season, Cal instead produced a manifestly crummy game,
its worst of the home schedule, and lost to Utah 63-59 on Wednesday night at
Haas Pavilion....The Bears fell to 18-12 overall and quite possibly out of an
NCAA Tournament berth."The Utes were lucky to pull this one out.
Keep it up through the P-12 tourney and ya'll just might go-dancin'.
ekute"The real competition and the proof is on the
court..."Where U conveniently had a hot shooting night on your
home court.As abysmally as Utah has played on the road this season,
and during the last several years, there's no proof that Utah could have
beaten BYU in the Marriott Center, where the Utes have NEVER beaten BYU during
the Dave Rose era.As a reminder of just how big a difference home
court advance can have in a series:1/25/1990 at BYU 65, Utah 49 (+16
BYU)2/10/1990 at Utah 89, BYU 73 (+16 Utah)A 32-point swing in
less than 3 weeks.1/7/2006 at BYU 72, Utah 60 (+12 BYU)2/8/2006 at Utah 79, BYU 60 (+19 Utah)That's a 31-point
swing.It happens, and it happens frequently, that a team winning at
home, even in dominating fashion, can be just as easily dominated in a return
match on the other team's home court.
Not sure if these last two wins help the Utes or hurt the Buffs and Bears more?
I still don't see the Utes dancing unless they win the tourney, which is
not likely. And most bracketologists had Colorado and Cal in the tourney a week
ago, but many have taken them out or moved them to the bubble. The mighty PAC
may not get as many teams in as they thought.
This just in - home court advantage isn't a myth:Jan. 23@
Arizona StateL 75-79Feb. 23Arizona State W 86-63A 28 point
difference; imagine that.Jan. 18UCLA W 74-69Feb. 15@ UCLA L
66-80A 19 point difference; hmmm.Feb. 1 @ Colorado L
75-79Mar. 1 ColoradoW 75-64A 15 point difference; definitely
seems to be some sort of correlation.Dec. 14Brigham Young W 81-64Mar. 6 @ Brigham Young ??Yet, some crimson-glasses wearing fans
claim that Dec. 14 absolutely confirmed that Utah is better...even
though Utah has lost 11 of the last 13 versus BYU, and hasn't beaten BYU in
Marriott Center since 2005.
skywalkerPalo Alto, CAAt large prospects for the PAC 12 took a
huge hit tonight with ugly home losses by both Bay Area teams.-------------What happened to your to "one loss doesn't
make a season" argument?Stanford is a #10 seed which is still
better then #11 seed BYU.California is on the bubble because
they've lost 4 of the last 5 against teams currently ranked #1, #2, #3, and
#6 in the PAC 12. And PAC-12 is ranked the #3 conference in the nation.
FACTchequerThe Utes, with a #119 SOS, are only 18-9 versus D-1
teams.----------Actually, according to Sagarin:#35 Utah 18-9 ... SOS #80#44 BYU 20-10 ... SOS #65
Marked It Down,I'm guessing that you're one of the Cougar
fans who insists that the better team did NOT prevail when Utah dismantled BYU
in the 54-10 rivalry game a few years ago.Am I right?
Nice win on the road!!! One more then the PAC12 tourney!!! Put up or shut up
time for all teams!!!Go Cougs!!! Rise Up!!!
Spokane UteNotice how Utah fans no longer pay any attention to SOS
or RPI or bracketology projections or Utah's head-to-head record or how
many conference championships or how many games the Utes have won in the NCAA
tournament in the last decade.
@CougarSunDevil"Both Utah schools are going to have to win their
respective tournament if they hope to dance."I think BYU can
make it in with a conference tourney final loss (as long as it's to
Gonzaga). They might have to do a play-in game though. Utah needs to
beat Stanford and I think getting to the conference tourney finals might be
enough especially if they beat Arizona along the way (in the conference
semifinals if they're the 5 seed). At some point Stanford and Cal might
take enough hits that Utah might replace one of them (or BYU could...).
SportsCenter-No one is claiming anything "absolutely." We're just saying SCOREBOARD!
I predicted a drop in the standings by Cal and Colorado several weeks ago. The
Buffs have not fallen as far as I thought they might, but Cal hit a tough
stretch in the schedule. The PAC 12 may only get 5 teams in unless
the 6th is a middle of the pack team that does extremely well in the tournament.
If Utah were to beat Stanford and make it to the conference semis, they might
get consideration. That far exceeds what most Ute fans thought possible this
season. A lot of other conferences are going through the same
process as the PAC 12 with the top teams pulling away and the rest fighting for
consideration. PAC 12 haters make it sound so unique to the PAC. Look at the
overall standings of the Big 12, ACC, and Big Ten. After the top 5 teams in any
power conference they are all bubble teams. The exception of course
being the WCC, where only two schools are likely to get a bid.
Lonestar,You still didn't address my question. Does history
count or not? You can't have it both ways. If it does, then Utah is
definitely better that BYU in football because they have beaten them like circus
monkeys for 12 years, and BYU fans should finally admit that Utah is the better
team.If history doesn't count, then Utah is better than BYU
because Utah beat BYU like circus monkeys this year. Which is it?You can say all you want about projections, they don't mean a thing.
What matters is what actually happens.Will BYU and Utah make it to
the big dance? On the court performance over the next 2 weeks will tell, not
projections. Utah was projected to finish 11th in the Pac-12, by
"experts" at CBS.It's subjective data vs. objective
data.Committees, computers, rankings that is all subjective. And
yes, the tournament committee has to make subjective assessments in deciding who
is in the tournament.Scoreboard, however, is objective. And Utah
has scoreboard over BYU.
teamrankings.com has the following probabilities for Utah schools to make the
NCAA tournament. Only SUU, among NCAA Division I schools) has no chance.BYU: 83.4% making the NCAA tournament (27.2% win conference tournament;
56.2% at large bid)Weber State: 64.7% making the NCAA tournament
(64.7% win conference tournament; 0.0% at large bid)Utah: 13.0%
making the NCAA tournament (3.9% win conference tournament; 9.1% at large
bid)UVU: 8.1% making the NCAA tournament (8.1% win conference
tournament; 0.0% at large bid)Utah State: 1.7% making the NCAA
tournament (1.7% win conference tournament; 0.0% at large bid)These
are based on the results from Wednesday night and thousands of simulations of
remaining season and conference tournament games.
Uteology"What happened to your to "one loss doesn't
make a season" argument?"One loss, especially for a bubble
team late in the season, can be the tipping point between an at-large bid and a
bubble being popped.Strange question for someone who pretends to be
soooo versed in stats.-------------------pocyUteUtah may have won 11 of the last 17 head-to-head games recently, but 14
of those 17 games were decided by a touchdown or less in the final minutes or in
OT - hardly domination - especially when BYU has finished with a higher ranking
and/or better overall record in 10 of those 17 seasons.During the
Bronco/Kyle eraAP Top 25 FinishesBronco 4Kyle 2Top 15 FinishesBronco 3Kyle 110+ Win SeasonsBronco 5Kyle 311+ Win SeasonsBronco 3Kyle 1Conference ChampionshipsBronco 2Kyle 1Bowl
GamesBronco 9Kyle 7--------In basketball,
Rose has completely dominated Utah across the board.Rose
230-76(75%), 9 20+ win seasons, 6 going on 7 NCAAs, 4 conf champs, 12-4 versus
UtahUtah 136-146(48%), 2 20+ win seasons, 6 losing seasons, 1 NCAA, 1 conf
Talking sportsSo, by your logic margin of victory has to be
considered. Well, in that case 7 of Utah's 9 losses are by 4 points or
less or overtime. So really, Utah is much better than their record says, and are
still much better than BYU.You see, you are still only bringing
subjective data (ranking finishes), or data that is from an unequal playing
field (bowl games) and conveniently omitting the total domination Utah has
exhibited over BYU over the past 12 years. I readily admit BYU has
dominated Utah in hoops over the past decade or so, but, Utah by objective data,
Utah is better than BYU in basketball and football, all the dodging of objective
data, and talk about rankings (subjective), RPI (which has a subjective
component) or "if we played you again" argument doesn't change the
fact that Utah has scoreboard.It's so fun to type, I'll do
it againScoreboard.Go Utes
"One loss, especially for a bubble team late in the season, can be the
tipping point between an at-large bid and a bubble being popped."-TalkinsportsPretty much what I said after the cougs lost to 15-14
Pacific. But I'm guessing you are in the "cougs are a lock" camp?
Isn't it funny that byu fans constantly refer to ESPN's Bracketology
and RPI, yet they fail to reference ESPN's BPI ratings. BPI takes into
consideration the margin of victory and teams missing key players. Utah is
currently #34 while byu is currently #45.Jeff Sagarin is constantly
referred to in football but totally disregarded this year in basketball RPI.
Why? Could it be because Utah is #35 and byu is #44?If the Utes can
beat Stanford and win a couple of games in the PAC-12 Tournament, they could get
an at-large invite. If byu wins a couple of games in the WCC Tournament, but
fail to win the tourney, they should be in unless Gonzaga fails to win the WCC
Tournament. Good luck to both teams.
pocyUteDon't kid yourself.The reason BYU is
projected to be an at large team, while Utah is projected to be left on the
outside looking in is all based ENTIRELY on subjective comparisons.Anybody who argues otherwise is simply blowing smoke.
"Jeff Sagarin is constantly referred to in football but totally disregarded
this year in basketball RPI. Why?"Because the NCAA Selection
Committee couldn't care less about Sagarin's ratings, but they do care
about RPI.In football, however, Sagarin's ratings were a
component of the BCS computer rankings, therefore, much more relevant.
Bleuthat's actually a very good point
UteologySkywalker was correct:"At large prospects
for the PAC 12 took a huge hit tonight with ugly home losses by both Bay Area
teams."After losing at home to Utah, California dropped 8 places
in ESPN's latest Bracketology, from "Last Four Byes" to "First
Four Out" and PAC 12 bids dropped from 7 to 6.The same fate may
await Stanford if the Utes upset the Cardinal on Saturday.
@UteanymousAfter losing at home to Utah, California dropped 8 places
in ESPN's latest Bracketology, from "Last Four Byes" to "First
Four Out" and PAC 12 bids dropped from 7 to 6.The same fate may
await Stanford if the Utes upset the Cardinal on Saturday.--------California dropped 8 spots after losing to Utah? Sorry,
but that's not how it works. Stanford is a #10 seed, BYU is a
#11 seed.Same fate awaits BYU if they get spanked by LMU again on
talkinsportsGilbert, AZUteology"What happened
to your to "one loss doesn't make a season" argument?"One loss, especially for a bubble team late in the season, can be the tipping
point between an at-large bid and a bubble being popped.Strange
question for someone who pretends to be soooo versed in stats.---------------Thanks for clearing the obvious but that
wasn't the discussion. The statement you made was "At
large prospects for the PAC 12 took a huge hit tonight with ugly home losses by
both Bay Area teams."Which is not the case, Cal is out because
they have lost 4 of 5 and Stanford is still projected as a #10 seed. FYI... losing to the #4 or #6 PAC 12 teams isn't an ugly loss, getting
thumped by the #12 WCC team is (LMU 87 BYU 76).
DraperUteFan is right....Pac12 will only send 5 teams to NCAAs - and WCC will
only send 2. Cal will be off the bubble after getting embarrassed last week
(two bad losses in AZ) and now an ugly home loss to Utes. Stanford is on bubble
- they must protect home court vs. Utes tomorrow in order to not fall off. Utes
must win tomorrow AND at least make it to Pac12 tourney finals in order to get
ON to bubble due to weak non conf. sched and lack of road wins. Road wins have
ALWAYS been a major factor w/selection committee. Many published interviews
w/NCAA committee members have confirmed this fact in years past.Despite Utes' recent successes the NIT is far more likely destination for
them. Wins in the Pac 12 tournament by any of the key players, Oregon, Oregon
St, ASU, Colo, Utes, Stanford & even the slumping Bears could change all of
this. Only Arizona and UCLA are shoe-ins for NCAA at large invites out of the
Pac 12....all others are at risk.
CougcatI think you are pretty close with your assessment of the
Pac-12 bids, you probably have 6 teams vying for 3-4 spots.As for
the WCC, I think the Zags are the only sure bet, if BYU loses their first
tourney game, I don't think they make the dance.
Cal's "ugly loss" was due in large part to Utah's stingy
defense. Give Coach K and the Utes credit for sticking it to their conference
foes with some awesome defense.Go Coach K! Go Runnin' Utes!
Make it "Shut-down Stanford Saturday!"
@talkinsportsI'm well aware of all of those items. The RPI is
basically why Utah isn't going to the NCAA tourney. Close losses to Oregon,
Arizona, WSU and Colorado have doomed Utah's NCAA chances. That and a weak
non-conference schedule. BYU has beaten Utah over and over again this decade;
but Utah pasted BYU this year. Why would any one talk about Utah and
Bracketology? We all know they are heading to the NIT, unless they win the
conference tourney. I hope that makes you feel better and not so bitter.