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  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    March 4, 2014 11:09 p.m.

    I continue to eat at Chick Fil-A and support that great company!

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    March 4, 2014 11:15 p.m.

    Cool - can't wait for reparations from the US Government for the illegal seizure Mormon polygamist property now that the definition of marriage is wide open.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 4, 2014 11:24 p.m.

    Tony C's in on it? There must be some legs to it.

  • firstamendment Lehi, UT
    March 5, 2014 1:29 a.m.

    Of course, but I don't think businesses that bend to intimidation, or business owners who support groups that promote potentially harmful agendas or that encourage hate against religious minorities etc. should be trusted to care about humanity and society in general, do you?

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    March 5, 2014 1:35 a.m.

    Support for same-sex marriage is increasingly motivated by fear. Fear of either government or media retaliation if one even hints they are against same-sex marriage.

    If you think I am paranoid, answer me this question then, just as an example. Why do we never hear about churches being investigated by the IRS for openly supporting same-sex marriage while those who openly oppose it are investigated all the time?

    The anger and hostility aimed at those who views don’t fall under what is “politically correct” whether the issue is same-sex marriage or not, is truly astonishing in a country which was intended to be a safe haven for all thoughts and all beliefs, but not anymore.
    Today, while lawyers and political activists fight for the rights of those who want to view child pornography or hold offensive and hurtful protests in front of funerals, many these same people are quick to silence anyone whose views are considered “too religious” or “to hateful.”

  • firstamendment Lehi, UT
    March 5, 2014 1:45 a.m.

    Some argue "the law treats same-sex couples as "legal strangers" and denies them the rights and benefits married heterosexual couples enjoy." I think gays should be (and are) free to love, vote, work, etc. But, it is odd that most gay marriage campaigners contend that bisexuals, underage children, polygamists, siblings, pets, and others should not be married. If it's a constitutional "right" shouldn't we force citizens, voters, tax payers, etc. to support and legally promote all relationships, not just those that are beneficial and crucial for the survival of humanity AND those that are not crucial but happen to be powerful special interest groups and demand that all promote, mainstream and legally enforce their sexual preferences? I don't get it....

  • LovelyDeseret Gilbert, AZ
    March 5, 2014 5:00 a.m.

    The big businesses listed in support of redefining marriage have a history of large moral lapses.

  • zeep ,
    March 5, 2014 6:24 a.m.

    "They say the law tells children, 'Your parents are not really married," and, "One of your parents is not really your parent.'"

    You have to tell the truth sometime. One of you in a same-sex relationship is NOT the biological parent. You can say it all you want, but there are still hard truths in the life and one is that homosexuals can not procreate on their own. Don't get so dramatic people!

  • FatherOfFour WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    March 5, 2014 6:47 a.m.

    I haven't been to Caputo's in a while and I love their sandwiches. I think I know where I'm having lunch today.

  • cambodia girl Phnom Penh, Cambodia
    March 5, 2014 7:32 a.m.

    Wait! What are the names of the 46 businesses? I want to know so i can decide it I want to send my army of protesters to their business and demand that they close or get rid of their employees because they don't agree with what I think is important. Please list them.

  • Visitor from California Berkeley, CA
    March 5, 2014 7:47 a.m.

    Looking forward to a more welcoming Utah in the near future! May justice and equality for all prevail. Live your own lives as you see fit, but the principle of separation of church and state means that no one religion gets to define how all the rest of us live. LDS members would be wise to remember that they too are members of a minority, and the protections afforded to minority groups by our Constitution deserve the defense offered by the businesses described in this article.

  • mpo South Jordan, UT
    March 5, 2014 7:51 a.m.

    'Equality Utah and the Utah Pride Center wrote in an amicus brief that Amendment 3 has a more devastating impact on children of same-sex couples than the federal Defense of Marriage Act.
    They say the law tells children, "Your parents are not really married," and, "One of your parents is not really your parent."'

    This is so ironic. The parents _are_ not really married and one (or both) of them are not the child's parent. Why is it wrong to tell the child the truth??

    I feel like this is an episode of The Emperor's New Clothes where everyone has to pretend that a same sex relationship is now the new best way to raise children and anyone who disagrees is beaten down emotionally.

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 5, 2014 7:54 a.m.

    I love this quote: "One of your parents is not really your parent." The truth is one of your 'parent' is NOT your mother / father. How does the gay lobby suggest they explain to children who their father or mother is. Or are they both. See how natural all this stuff is?

  • U-tar Woodland Hills, UT
    March 5, 2014 8:08 a.m.

    Thanks for posting the list, now I know who I won't be supporting!

  • GZE SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 5, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    zeep, I was put up for adoption before I was born. I have never met either my biological mother nor my biological father. but I know my parents quite well. They loved me and raised me. And I love them.

  • oremtigger7 orem, UT
    March 5, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    Love me some Chick fil-A. Caputo's never been. Never will.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 5, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    where is the list? Cambodia girls asked for it, U-tar said it was posted, but I cannot find it. Where is the list?

    zeep, MPO,
    the left is afraid of the truth, that is why they want to keep it from the children.

    I find it funny that laws that apply the same to all can be miscontrued as discriminatory. The lie of "unequal!" has been shouted for so long too many otherwise inteligent people actually believe it. sad.

    Visitor from California,
    please research the Edmonds-Tucker Acts, then come talk to us again about separation of church and state and the protections the constitution was supposed to provide religious groups.

    But those minorities you are suppsedly defending are already protected by the constitution. Applying the laws the same way to all is providing equal treatment.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    March 5, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    They say the law tells children, "Your parents are not really married," and, "One of your parents is not really your parent."'

    The reason they aren't married is because some religions are accepting and will marry SS couples, and others don't.
    Those who don't believe in SSM, passed laws condoning their religious prejudice over that of other religions freedom.
    And please if you know a couple who have adopted a child, go tell that child that those aren't their parents, really nice folks you are.

    Warren Jeff's is a great spokesperson for polygamy, right?
    Animals? Your ignorance is astounding!

  • Clarissa Layton, UT
    March 5, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    The Supreme Court will probably take up this issues. Therefore, I believe this is a waste of money. I'm a firm believer in same sex marriage, and will stick to my guns no matter what the rest of the world tells me. I also do genealogy. What a mess!

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    March 5, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    Anybody can be a sperm donor or an egg donor. That is not what makes someone a parent -- a father or a mother. What makes someone a parent is that person's presence in a child's life through good and bad, thick and thin, through triumphs and failures. A parent is the person who is closely involved in the daily life of the child. That has nothing to do with who contributed the genetic material that created the child's body.

    It saddens me to see people comment that a non-biological parent is not the child's "real" parent. I hope that those people wouldn't be so cruel as to tell an adopted child that his/her adoptive parents aren't "real" parents. I hope that they also wouldn't be so cruel as to say that to a child whose parents are a same-sex couple -- the partners in a same-sex couple are just as much joint parents to their child as are the partners in an opposite-sex couple.

    If they would tell the child of a same-sex couple that one of his/her parents is not a "real" parent, shame on them.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2014 10:05 a.m.

    @firstamendment
    "But, it is odd that most gay marriage campaigners contend that bisexuals, underage children, polygamists, siblings, pets, and others should not be married."

    Do you also think that about interracial marriage activists 40 years ago?

    @zeep and wazzup
    " One of you in a same-sex relationship is NOT the biological parent."

    Are parents of an adopted kid not "your parents" even though they aren't the biological parents?

  • Ranch Here, UT
    March 5, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    Oh come one moderators, you're printing comments denigrating the families of same-sex couples and you won't print this comment?

    "...the purpose of the state's voter-approved constitutional amendment is to impose inequality on same-sex couples and their children."

    --- Exactly!

    The bigotry in some of the comments today is apparent; and you all say you're going to heaven because you're righteous. I say you aren't going and you aren't righteous either.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    March 5, 2014 10:37 a.m.

    I try not work where I eat lunch around an eatery's stand on Gay Marriage. Ten years from now, everyone is going to wonder why there was so much fuss on the issue.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    March 5, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    From the 46 companies brief accessed on Scribd:

    "This brief is filed on behalf of the following businesses: American International Group, Inc. Aspen Skiing Company LLC Cisco Systems, Inc. Civitas Public Affairs Group LLC Clean Yield Asset Management eBay Inc. Facebook Inc. FoodArt LLC Google Inc. Hackman Capital Partners, LLC Inspirato, LLC Intel Corporation Jackson Hole Group LLC Jazz Pharmaceuticals, Inc. The Jim Henson Company Kimpton Hotel & Restaurant Group, LLC Le Croissant Inc. LLC Levi Strauss & Co. Liberty Heights, Inc. Massachusetts Mutual Life Ins. Co. Mod a-go-go LLC National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce NCR Corporation New Belgium Brewing Co., Inc. Oracle America, Inc. Outerwall Inc. Overstock.com, Inc. Pfizer Inc. Qualcomm Incorporated redditgifts Red Thread Creative Group LLC Rocky Mountain Personnel Recruiters, Inc. Ruth Lewandowski Wines LLC Sage Hospitality Resources, LLC SLC HEMP LLC Starbucks Sun Life Financial (U.S.) Services Company, Inc. Support.com, Inc. TeleTech Holdings, Inc. Third Sun Productions, Inc. Dr. Steven Tilliss D.D.S., M.S., P.C. Tony Caputo’s Market & Deli United Therapeutics Corporation Urban Utah Homes and Estates LLC Vail Resorts, Inc. XMission LLC"

    Amazing how easy it is to find things with Google.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 5, 2014 10:56 a.m.

    I do not support same sex marriages because I don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle.

    I do support and try very hard to promote personal freedom of adult American individuals to do and be any thing they please that does not interfere with the rights and freedoms of others.

    I do not support any sort of business operation to use its economic power to deny the freedom as mentioned.

    I regard traditional marriage to be the joining of two people according to their own desires and needs. Love is nice but not necessarily required. In this I make no rules or requirements regarding the individuals or their purpose. Their are many cases where individuals may wish to have a family relationship without giving up everything about being separate.

    I believe the best world for rearing children is to have one father and one mother. I think society should support that notion without prohibiting others.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    March 5, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    Interesting thing about comments - those who make the comments already know what their stand is and, no matter what facts or evidence to the contrary are presented, are very unlikely to change their opinions. This is not true for all commentators and some, when presented with contrary information, will actually engage in a little bit of research to verify the contrary information and the occasional commentator will form new opinions. Additionally, some of those who read the comments have not yet formed an opinion and will use comments to help form an opinion.

    Here is another interesting thing - every person reading these comments has a computer with internet access. When claims are made, it is really easy for them to verify the truthfulness of those claims.

    When blatently false comments are made, those making those comments are seen as, at best, uniformed. This paints them and the view they are promoting in a negative light. It also portrays whatever cause they are supporting negatively, especially when others on the same side of the issue do not call them out on the false comments.

    This is part of why opponents of same-sex marriage are losing ground.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    March 5, 2014 11:09 a.m.

    @ ClarkHippo: People are not protesting against churches that recognize same-sex marriages because those churches are not actively engaged in trying to prohibit a right to a segment of society nor are they trying to force other churches to live according to their doctrines.

    @ firstamendment: The only ones trying to deny marriage to bisexuals are those who oppose same-sex marriage and won't let bisexuals marry someone of their same gender. Underage children, pets, and objects cannot enter into contracts and therefore cannot consent to marriage (they also cannot drink, smoke, or have a job). Polygamy creates several legal conundrums that must be addressed and worked out before it can become legal - and although you keep complaining about it not being legal, I have yet to see any suggestions from you on how to handle those complex issues. When individuals who are too closely related marry and have children, there is an increased risk of genetic defects which creates a social harm, this is why incestuous relationships are prohibited.

    An inability to make distinctions and identify social harms is not a legally valid reason for prohibiting same-sex marriage nor for allowing the other situations posited.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    March 5, 2014 11:12 a.m.

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out. There are people who wouldn't want to take their children into a business (like a restaurant) if there are gay men holding hands or kissing each other. This is a real problem for a business. For example, if a heterosexual couple is overtly displaying affection, the owners could ask them to stop and there probably wouldn't be a problem. But, what kind of repercussions will there be if the couple is gay? Would the business be branded as homophobic bigots?

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    March 5, 2014 11:22 a.m.

    @ zeep: ""They say the law tells children, 'Your parents are not really married," and, "One of your parents is not really your parent.'"

    "You have to tell the truth sometime. One of you in a same-sex relationship is NOT the biological parent."

    Just because someone is not a biological parent, does not mean they are not a parent - ask any adoptive, foster, or step-parent - ask any child raised by adoptive, foster, or step-parents.

    You inserted "biological" into the sentence - those making the statement didn't. They understand the difference between biological and non-biological but also realize it takes more than biology to make a parent. Did you insert biological because that was the only way you could argue with the statement?

    @ mpo: If Amendment 3 is struck down, the parents will be really married and they will be real, legal parents to their children. Cool how that works, huh?

    @ JSB: The businesses can post a general sign discouraging public displays of affections and then treat all customers the same. If, however, the company asks a gay couple to stop holding hands while allowing a heterosexual couple to hold hands, there may be a problem.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    March 5, 2014 11:24 a.m.

    @JSB;

    As with the hetero couple displaying too much PDA in a restaurant, I would also expect the gay couple to refrain. That isn't the problem and most gay couples will agree that such behavior, as with the hetero couple is inappropriate.

    You would rather ban all gays than be required to see something between a gay couple that is pretty much the norm with straight couples. Heaven forbid you see two men holding hands. Great Scott! You might witness a lesbian couple give one another a good-night kiss after a date as they depart a restaurant.

    If you don't want your kids to witness reality, perhaps you should just keep them home (which would extremely kind and thoughtful of you in regards to the other patrons in the restaurant anyway).

  • Lilly Munster netherlands, 00
    March 5, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    It's interesting how our LDS Church and Faith pretends to not have any fingerprints on this issue. Since we all know, from accurate research, the very organized, well financed and concerted effort to send LDS Members to go knock on doors in California (thousands of Mormons from several states) it is dishonest to pretend that we are not fighting the same Equality in Utah. In fact, our fingerprints and political posturing is the primary opponent of SSM in Utah. Before we accuse the other side of misrepresentation, let's admit that we have crossed the line of being a Tax Exempt Organization actively engaged in Politics, Law, and Cultural Impact. We will have to learn to live with Total Equality. We will have to live with our LGBT Citizens, without marginalizing, demonizing, or shunning them. After all, Mormons have been, are, and will continue to be Gay. Let's not demonize our own children. If we continue that, they will simply LEAVE.

  • Discombobulated Centerfield, UT
    March 5, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    There has been lots of talk about the 2004 vote on same sex marriage ,,, take another vote now and the results may be quite different.
    Children should have 2 parents, a mother (woman) & a father ( man ) to be raised properly. What about divorced parents where the mom is the supporting parent ? Good dad's or dead beat dads, doesn't matter. they are not living in the same house . This is not the perfect mom & pop parents.
    Everybody has the right to love !! Matters not what sex they are,, everybody has the right to love and be happy !

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    March 5, 2014 1:04 p.m.

    Wow, some of the comments here...Don't look now, but your animus is showing.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    March 5, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    Found after following a chain of links on fox13.

    Here is the list of businesses in on the pro-SSM brief.
    : American International Group, Inc. Aspen Skiing Company LLC Cisco Systems, Inc. Civitas Public Affairs Group LLC Clean Yield Asset Management eBay Inc. Facebook Inc. FoodArt LLC Google Inc. Hackman Capital Partners, LLC Inspirato, LLC Intel Corporation Jackson Hole Group LLC Jazz Pharmaceuticals, Inc. The Jim Henson Company Kimpton Hotel & Restaurant Group, LLC Le Croissant Inc. LLC Levi Strauss & Co. Liberty Heights, Inc. Massachusetts Mutual Life Ins. Co. Mod a-go-go LLC National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce NCR Corporation New Belgium Brewing Co., Inc. Oracle America, Inc. Outerwall Inc. Overstock.com, Inc. Pfizer Inc. Qualcomm Incorporated redditgifts Red Thread Creative Group LLC Rocky Mountain Personnel Recruiters, Inc. Ruth Lewandowski Wines LLC Sage Hospitality Resources, LLC SLC HEMP LLC Starbucks Sun Life Financial (U.S.) Services Company, Inc. Support.com, Inc. TeleTech Holdings, Inc. Third Sun Productions, Inc. Dr. Steven Tilliss D.D.S., M.S., P.C. Tony Caputo’s Market & Deli United Therapeutics Corporation Urban Utah Homes and Estates LLC Vail Resorts, Inc. XMission LLC

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    March 5, 2014 1:35 p.m.

    @Ranch
    I just posed a question. I didn't say what my position is. My kids are all adults so they can go where they want to go.

    However, the gay agenda isn't as noble as some portray it to be. Remember the Macy's incident in which a female employee asked a cross dressing man not to go into the women's dressing area and immediately a whole bunch of gays converged and created a big fuss and went to the management. It's interesting that Macy's issued an apology and fired the woman who was just doing what was the responsible thing to do. I wouldn't want some cross dressing gay guy going into a women's restroom where my wife or daughters or granddaughters were. Does this make me some kind of a mean spirited bigot? Or is gay marriage part of a longer term agenda; just a step along the way of completely undermining the traditional family?

  • koseighty The Shire, UT
    March 5, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    50 years ago, racists hid behind their God and churches to fight against civil rights and interracial marriage. They boldly proclaimed that they would rather be on God's side and be called a racist than love their neighbor as themselves.

    Recently, one of those churches, admitted that it was because their leaders were racist, NOT that God had commanded it. It did so quietly. Without a press conference, or even a press release. Just an update to an obscure web page.

    Today, many proclaim the will of their God -- willing to be called bigots because they are on God's side.

    The older I get, the more I see the truth of the old saying, "We each create God in our own image." Yesterday, racists created a racist God. Today, bigots create a bigoted God, in their image. If I were to create a God, He would say things like, "Judge not, that ye be not judged," "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, " and "Do unto others as you would have done unto you." He would have nothing but praise for two people who wanted a committed and loving relationship -- ANY two people.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    March 5, 2014 2:07 p.m.

    @JSB;

    The simple fact you use "gay agenda" and imply that we're "out to get you" in your comment tells us a whole lot about your thinking on the subject.

    I'd really appreciate if you could send me a copy of the nefarious "gay agenda" so I can start to follow it appropriately. I never gotten my copy, and as a gay man, I'd really like one for reference purposes at least.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    March 5, 2014 2:20 p.m.

    It seems to me that rather than making targeted legislation for 1% of the people, we should address the concern of discrimination for everyone discriminated against by laws which target marital status.

    If marital laws discriminate, then end those laws, so all single people can enjoy freedom and equality, regardless of sexual orientation.

    "Equality for the 1% (committed homosexuals)" is an oxymoron.

    Equality is for everyone, or it is not equality.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 5, 2014 2:24 p.m.

    @ JSB: I don't know if you have ever used a dressing room at Macy's (or any other store for that matter), but they are private - they have doors that close and no one can see into them. Shocking, I know, to think that your wife and daughters aren't actually dressing in front of a bunch of strangers (male or female), but there you have it.

    I find it particularly interesting that you would rather they change in front of a lesbian than a gay man.

    And yes, the employee was fired for stating she would not follow company policy - but many, many employees are fired for that every year. Are you only upset when they are fired for not following policies related to LGBT issues, or do you also object when they are fired for not following policies related to personal emails and phone calls, personal use of company property, health code violations, or being rude to non-LGBT customers?

    I don't know what this world is coming to when companies insist their employees follow rules!

  • HelioTeller Mapleton, UT
    March 5, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    Most of the traditional marriage commentators here have fallen into the SSM advocates trap. By alienating adoptive parents you're marginalizing yourselves more and more. Thanks for lifting my spirits, I was feeling pretty hopeless there for a while.

  • kvnsmnsn Springville, UT
    March 5, 2014 2:44 p.m.

    Visitor from California posted:

    =Live your own lives as you see fit, but the principle of separation of church
    =and state means that no one religion gets to define how all the rest of us
    =live. LDS members would be wise to remember that they too are members of a
    =minority, and the protections afforded to minority groups by our Constitution
    =deserve the defense offered by the businesses described in this article.

    We too indeed "are members of a minority," with an alternate sexual lifestyle to boot! The LDS Church was dragged kicking and screaming away from its alternate sexual lifestyle, nearly legislated out of existence because of it, and yet we're supposed to be happy now that the sexual lifestyle of gays and lesbians is almost granted legal marriage status? I have no problem whatsoever with legalizing marriage for gays and lesbians, but first I want the US government to admit that they were wrong when they pressured the LDS Church into heterosexual monogamy back in the late 1800s.

    Kevin S

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2014 2:48 p.m.

    @JSB
    "There are people who wouldn't want to take their children into a business (like a restaurant) if there are gay men holding hands or kissing each other."

    Kinda the same as when straight couples do that too. And if your issue is as trivial as holding hands well... what do you even recommend gay people do with relationships in public? Don't feel, conceal, don't let them know? Make one wrong move and everyone will know?

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    March 5, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    Ranch -

    Maybe you should ask Gay Smith what she thinks of your word choice before you criticize others for their word choice.

    Your word choice tells a lot about your thinking on the subject, and on your inability to consider the feelings of others.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    March 5, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    @Maudine

    Other churches aren't trying to force their doctrines onto others?

    For months and months churches including the Unitarian/Universalist Church, the United Church of Christ and the United Methodist Church lobbied and worked to pass Obamacare, a program which has caused millions of Americans to lose their health insurance, and, despite numerous promises, many did lose their doctors as well, even if they didn't want to lose them.

    How is this not forcing your beliefs onto others?

    Then of course there are the editorials, protests and petition drives which result anytime someone says something at the LDS General Conference they don't like. If you honestly believe these tactics of intimidation are not intended to force the LDS Church to change its doctrine or beliefs, then you clearly have a double standard in your definition.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    March 5, 2014 3:11 p.m.

    @Visitor from California

    Does the principle of separation of church and state apply to all churches, or only churches with whom you disagree with politically?

    Funny how when a few months ago, when a large number of religious leaders from Utah called for increase in Medicaid funding, no one yelled, "Separation of church and state," on that one.

    Can anyone say, "Double Standard?"

  • fireman PAYSON, UT
    March 5, 2014 3:40 p.m.

    Some very wise men once said:"The first commandment that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.We declare the means by which mortal life is created to be divinely appointed. We affirm the sanctity of life and of its importance in God’s eternal plan.Husband and wife have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other and for their children. “Children are an heritage of the Lord” (Psalm 127:3). Parents have a sacred duty to rear their children in love and righteousness, to provide for their physical and spiritual needs, and to teach them to love and serve one another, observe the commandments of God, and be law-abiding citizens wherever they live. Husbands and wives—mothers and fathers—will be held accountable before God for the discharge of these obligations."

    May God bless all His children!

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    March 5, 2014 4:18 p.m.

    May God bless all His children!
    ...after your pious statement, I find it hard to believe you.

    "will be held accountable before God for the discharge of these obligations."
    Threats about the after life only work on those who agree with you.

    And what about religions that believe in SSM, oh yeah they believe the wrong religion so their beliefs get trumped by the majority religion in Utah ...again

    @Badger, really their the minority so we should abuse them? Trouble for you is more people back freedom, then bullies

  • Avenue Vernal, UT
    March 5, 2014 9:35 p.m.

    To those of you who do not know how bad SSM is for the country, I would like to quote a few scriptures.

    "We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets." (The Family: A Proclamation to the World)

    Mosiah 29:27 "And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction even as he has hitherto visited this land."

  • Bob K portland, OR
    March 6, 2014 1:54 a.m.

    ClarkHippo
    Tooele, UT
    "Support for same-sex marriage is increasingly motivated by fear. Fear of either government or media retaliation if one even hints they are against same-sex marriage.
    If you think I am paranoid, answer me this question then, just as an example. Why do we never hear about churches being investigated by the IRS for openly supporting same-sex marriage while those who openly oppose it are investigated all the time?"

    --- You are kidding,right? Where did you hear this lie?
    -----

    Avenue
    Vernal, UT
    To those of you who do not know how bad SSM is for the country, I would like to quote a few scriptures.

    xxxxxx (The Family: A Proclamation to the World)

    Mosiah 29:27 xxxxxx

    Please write back when the Constitution of the United States of America is governed by a mormon policy statement and a quote from the book of mormon.

    Who in the world is ANY man or woman to place what he would be comfortable with, according to his religion, over the rights of other taxpaying citizens?

  • TheTrueVoice West Richland, WA
    March 6, 2014 10:23 a.m.

    I see it has come down to many who oppose equal civil rights for all are now just quoting scripture, and wringing your hands about "tradition".

    This is fine, of course, if it helps those who need assistance in coming to grips with the more modern world.

    As long as you understand, however, that your scriptures, 'holy' documents, etc. have absolutely no bearing, no impact, no effect with regard to properly treating all Utahns equally under civil law and the US Constitution.

    ALL Utahns... not just the majority.

    @Karen R: "Wow, some of the comments here...Don't look now, but your animus is showing."

    Precisely so! In fact, some of the page one comments are unbridled animus... a bit surprised that DN mods allowed some them through...

  • Avenue Vernal, UT
    March 6, 2014 5:18 p.m.

    @ Bob K
    Please write back when the State of Utah, which obviously has a large LDS population, is governed by large corporations and will be okay with being forced to accept something against their religion.
    About my earlier comment, I was simply warning the good people in this great country of ours of the big mistake they are making, using evidence from my own religion.

  • koseighty The Shire, UT
    March 6, 2014 10:01 p.m.

    @Avenue who wrote:
    "Please write back when the State of Utah, which obviously has a large LDS population, is governed by large corporations..."

    Just make your check payable to "The Corporation of the President".

  • Liberty For All Cedar, UT
    March 8, 2014 6:45 p.m.

    Jesus will be crying as he reads these briefs. I weep with him. Our lord and christ have been forsaken.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    March 9, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    @JSB
    "There are people who wouldn't want to take their children into a business (like a restaurant) if there are gay men holding hands or kissing each other."

    Back in the 70s my uncle refused to eat in any restaurant that served black people, and at a family reunion in a state park he refused to allow his kids to swim in the lake because there were black families there, and some were swimming.

    He harmed his family and tried to instill bigotry into his children. One of his granddaughters is now married to an African American man. My uncle refused to attend the wedding and refuses to go to family events that include his granddaughter's husband. Everyone else sees the young man as family.

    In another few years Gay couples will be part of the landscape, no more remarkable than any other couple, and the few who hold onto their fear and prejudice will be sad relics.