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Brad Rock: Whether it's Utah's Larry Krystkowiak or BYU's Bronco Mendenhall, thinking big is OK

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  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    March 1, 2014 5:33 p.m.

    Considering how much better this team is than people expected, there is no reason we can't win the tournament.

    As far as our terrible road record - we haven't been getting killed on the road and in the tournament its a road game for the other team as well.

    Utah can't win the Pac 12 tournament. Just like we couldn't hang with Arizona(barely lost), just like we couldn't beat byu(total annihilation), just like we couldn't beat UCLA, just like we couldn't finish above 12th in the Pac 12 this year.

    I'm considering going to the tournament to watch the Utes win the Pac 12 tournament and go dancing.

    Are U?

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    March 1, 2014 5:36 p.m.

    Slightly different with roscoe's comments about winning national titles.

    Coach K has got this team into contention for what he plans on doing BEFORE he started talking.

    And Utah actually does have a very realistic chance at winning the Pac 12 tournament, just as several other teams do as well.

    We already made the semi finals last year, and we're better this year. So yes, its very realistic.

    byu isn't any closer to a national title now than the day bronco made his comments almost a decade ago.

    Big difference.

    Go Utes.
    >---->

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 1, 2014 5:45 p.m.

    It'd be nice if the comment board braggadocio understood this concept. Coach K didn't "promise" or "predict" anything regarding the conference tournament, only that he PLANS on winning it. Planning for anything less than success in any season, game, or even possession of a game, is not something I imagine any coach of a major program does. The thing I appreciate about this coaching staff is that they do their part in planning successfully, and more often than not, when they don't succeed (especially this season) it has been because of mistakes late in the game by the players, which can be fixed. Hoping for another run in Vegas this year, but hopefully with a chance in one more game than last year.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 1, 2014 6:28 p.m.

    Now it's ok because Utah took a page out of BYU's play book, the same play book that ute fans mock BYU for. Now that Utah is doing it, it's ok somehow. Quest for perfection=win PAC 12 tourney. Neither one happened and Utah isn't going to win the PAC 12 tourney.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 1, 2014 9:33 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil,
    It's ok because Krystko's aspirations are realistic.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    March 1, 2014 10:47 p.m.

    Coach K speaks with confidence on winning the PAC12 tournament, because his team has shown they can play against the competition. When they've lost, the games have been very close.

    To contend for the National title, one has to compete against top teams, which Coach M teams haven't done.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 1, 2014 11:04 p.m.

    Ekute

    Of course a ute fan would say its realistic for their team to win out but their rival won't. I however recognize that neither is going to happen. Utah has to go through Arizona, UCLA, Arizona State, et al and on the road no less. Impossible? No. Extremely unlikely? Yes. Utah isn't going to win the PAC 12 tourney this year. Baby steps ute fans. Work on being competitive on the road, then worry about bigger things. Just like BYU needs to worry about winning bowl games and working on winning against decent competition before they need to worry about a perfect season, although 2014 might have a higher probability than past seasons, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

  • atlcoug Atlanta, GA
    March 2, 2014 7:13 a.m.

    ekute,

    Bronco never said he was going to win the national championship in the year he said it was a goal. What is wrong with striving to be the best at some point? Coach K has expectations of winning the tournament this year. That is a big difference. I am a big Cougar fan, but I hope the Utes do win the tournament, whereas most Ute fans on this board hope that not only does BYU not win a national championship ever, they hope they never win a game. We have become a nation of haters, and sports is an unfortunate prime example.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 2, 2014 7:43 a.m.

    @ekute

    No they aren't.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    March 2, 2014 8:11 a.m.

    Mendenhall, bless his heart, starts yapping it up before the season begins and then throws in inane slogans to drive home the point. Then Holmoe does his media dog and pony show in an effort to get fans to cougar stadium to watch games against teams no one cares about. Mendenhall somehow appeals to the strange alternate reality in which byu fans live.

    Here's the difference...Coach K looks at the next challenge and says: "yeah, based on great wins this season and the eight near misses in conference play, we are in the thick of the Pac-12 conference and have a legitimate shot at the tournament." As the article correctly points out..."There’s no talk of a Sweet 16 appearance this year, not even from the Ute coach, who has raised eyebrows for saying his team can claim the conference’s automatic invitation to the NCAA tournament."

    That's the difference. I'm not sure why Mendenhall is included in the discussion about the Pac-12 tournament. They are on completely different worlds and 'ne'r the twain shall meet.'

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    March 2, 2014 8:35 a.m.

    Brad, I love ya, but don't ever compare Larry K to Bronco Mendenhall again. Ever.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    March 2, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    CougarSunDevil
    Phoenix, AZ

    "Just like BYU needs to worry about winning bowl games and working on winning against decent competition before they need to worry about a perfect season, although 2014 might have a higher probability than past seasons, but I wouldn't hold my breath."

    Is that because you think byu is one of the best teams in the country or are you acknowledging the incredibly weak (2011'esq) schedule that Holmoe and ESPN have lined up?

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 2, 2014 11:27 a.m.

    My Perspective

    "Is that because you think byu is one of the best teams in the country or are you acknowledging the incredibly weak (2011'esq) schedule that Holmoe and ESPN have lined up?"

    It's a weaker schedule. I'd compare this schedule to Utah's 2008 football schedule. A couple of headliner games and then several games with lower level competition.

  • LCBSoCal Northridge, CA
    March 2, 2014 11:46 a.m.

    Seems to me that Coach Krystkowiak's and Coach Mendenhall's comments are like apples and oranges -- the context for each was completely different. The comparison seems very strained. I don't understand why some in the Salt Lake media seem continually to look for reasons to compare various aspects of Utah athletics with BYU athletics.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 2, 2014 12:27 p.m.

    "Utah took a page out of BYU's play book"

    CSD:

    Really? Were there red slogan "Quest for Pac-12" t-shirts for sale before the season, and I missed them?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 2, 2014 12:33 p.m.

    Nothing more amusing than utah "fan" hypocrisy lol. And nothing more predictable either. LOL!

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    March 2, 2014 1:20 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin
    San Diego, CA

    "Brad, I love ya, but don't ever compare Larry K to Bronco Mendenhall again. Ever."

    AMEN to that!!!!

  • Rwright Seattle, WA
    March 2, 2014 2:33 p.m.

    I understand trying to attract readers from all bases but this was one of the weirdest mashup articles I've ever read.

  • atlcoug Atlanta, GA
    March 2, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    MyPerspective.

    It is not an incredibly weak schedule. It isn't as tough as last year, but playing Texas, Utah State, Boise State and Central Florida is not playing against creampuffs - all possible top 25 teams. The home schedule is not very good, but some years are always going to be better than others. Maybe if your perspective weren't so slanted, you could look at the schedules before and after, as well as this year, and realize that Tom Holmoe is doing a pretty good job, given the difficulties in scheduling, to schedule some pretty good matchups. But you would be giving the school you love to hate a tiny bit of credit, and that would be asking a lot of you.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    March 2, 2014 2:54 p.m.

    Bronco has never been competitive at the highest championship level of college football... his expectations are therefore unreasonable.

    Coach K has been competitive in the PAC12... his expectations are therefore reasonable.

    Rock loves BYU... so it makes sense that he would try to justify Bronco's unreasonable expectation by comparing it to the reasonable expectation of Coach K.

  • umanami Draper, UT
    March 3, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    Rock,

    Please do not ever compare Coach K with Roscoe again. There are no similarities.

    Thank you.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    March 3, 2014 9:47 a.m.

    @ JohnInSLC

    "Really? Were there red slogan "Quest for Pac-12" t-shirts for sale before the season, and I missed them?"

    Utah doesn't need t-shirt slogans to quest for anything. They just go out and do it on the field/court. BYU is notorious for printing silly t-shirt slogans. Remember 2008? BYU quested for perfection, while Utah ended up being perfect.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    March 3, 2014 10:05 a.m.

    Coach K's statementis okay, because you have no business playing any game you don't believe you can win. Otherwise you a doomed to fail. That is all he said is he believes they can win. Whether they will or not depends on the players, but a positive attitude from the Coach can go a long way.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 3, 2014 3:36 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil:

    "I'd compare this schedule to Utah's 2008 football schedule."

    Really? You see 3 or 4 teams on that schedule that'll finish in the Top-25?

    I don't.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 3, 2014 3:43 p.m.

    It's a wide stretch to compare a coach who thinks they have a shot at playing for, and winning, a "conference" championship, from another who thinks they have a shot at playing for, and winning, a "national" championship. And especially considering...

    (1) Utah WILL be playing in a tournament to consider the "conference" championship. Those dates down there in Las Vegas had already been set.

    (2) Football does NOT have the same sort of "tournament" style where you win or go home like Basketball. In Basketball, if you win your conference, you're in. If you don't, you have to hope for an at-large bid. But in Football, if you win your conference, that doesn't mean you're in. And it isn't as if the cougars have a shot at winning their conference in football, since no conference wanted them. Plus, their weak SOS pretty much guarantees if they go 12-0, they'll still play in some 3rd-tier bowl game. They won't finish in the Top-4. The cougars have already been eliminated for NC contention, and the season hadn't even started yet.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 3, 2014 5:50 p.m.

    "Utah doesn't need t-shirt slogans to quest for anything."

    Pac12:

    Yeah, I know. That's the point I was trying to make--sorry if it was a little too subtle.

  • Protecting This House Salt Lake City, UT
    March 3, 2014 7:29 p.m.

    Coach K has elevated the level of play at the HC back to former highs. Brother Mendenhall has done...? for LES? Ensured a home schedule which features Utah State as your most formidable opponent at home? Yikes.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 3, 2014 10:42 p.m.

    You see 3 or 4 teams on that schedule that'll finish in the Top-25?

    Texas, UCF, and Houston. All did very well in their bowl games and could likely be preseason top 25.

    Of course navel vet won't admit that, nor any other ute fan. You wouldn't admit in a million years that 2008 happened because you were in the mountain west, and had you been in the PAC, it would never have happened.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 4, 2014 5:54 a.m.

    CougarSunDevil:

    UCF? Houston? The Knights just lost their QB, and the Cougars just got hammered in their bowl game. And that's not to mention the fact that they finished 8-5 despite playing a weak AAC schedule.

    Nope. You don't have 3-4 Top-25 teams on that schedule, and neither have you a couple of Top-10 either. There is absolutely no "legitimate" comparison between your weak SOS 2014 schedule, and Utah's 2008 schedule, that CBSSports rated one spot ahead of Alabama's. So don't talk to me about what I "wouldn't admit in a million years" after that made up clap-trap about comparing our two schedules. Very dubious indeed.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 4, 2014 7:50 a.m.

    Naval Vet,

    "Nope. You don't have 3-4 Top-25 teams on that schedule"

    Thanks for proving my point. I love Utah fans because you like to skirt the real topic. Using "CBSSports rating as one spot ahead of Alabama's" justifying the 2008 schedule with rating services yet not acknowledging the same or similar rating services that rank BYU basketball ahead of Utah basketball. Of course, your going to find whatever criteria you can to prove your condition is better, throwing out all consistency.

    But if you really are a Naval Vet, thanks for your service.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 4, 2014 10:53 a.m.

    CougarSunDevil:

    "...yet not acknowledging the same or similar rating services that rank BYU basketball ahead of Utah basketball."

    Why would I acknowledge that? Our Basketball schedules have nothing to do with your frantic and emotionally inspired fantasy your 2014 schedule coming anywhere NEAR Utah's vastly more challenging 2008 slate, which IS what we were talking about. That's just a red herring that you deployed in order to avoid admitting that you were wrong. Red herrings don't work on me.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    March 4, 2014 11:05 a.m.

    @ CougarSunDevil

    "Of course navel vet won't admit that, nor any other ute fan. You wouldn't admit in a million years that 2008 happened because you were in the mountain west, and had you been in the PAC, it would never have happened"

    Same can be said about BYU. Cougar fans will never admit in a million years that 1984 happened because they were in the WAC. If BYU played in the PAC-12 or Big 12 or any other power conference, 1984 would never have happened.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 5, 2014 7:36 a.m.

    byu basketball wouldn't be sniffing the bubble if they were in the PAC 12 today.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 5, 2014 7:38 a.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    "Same can be said about BYU. Cougar fans will never admit in a million years that 1984 happened because they were in the WAC. If BYU played in the PAC-12 or Big 12 or any other power conference, 1984 would never have happened."

    I guess you never asked me.

    Naval Vet

    "That's just a red herring that you deployed in order to avoid admitting that you were wrong."

    Sorry, not a red herring. The topic I was discussing was whether a team is really as good as the fans say they are or as the ratings say they are. Sorry you got confused.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 5, 2014 12:43 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil:

    "Sorry, not a red herring. The topic I was discussing was whether a team is really as good as the fans say they are..."

    How is, "I'd compare this schedule to Utah's 2008 football schedule," anything at all related to how Utah fans feel about how good their team is? That quote isn't about whether a team is as good as their fans say. That's a quote about how the cougars' future schedule ranks even-Steven to Utah's 2008 season where the Utes faced -- and beat 4 teams who finished the season ranked in the Top-25 (and 2 of whom finished in the Top-10). You're now just trying to change the argument in order to avoid admitting you were wrong, but you can't. It's all right there in black and white, and with your name all over it.