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Poll detects major shift in American attitudes on gay marriage

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  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2014 8:05 p.m.

    "PRRI's chief executive officer Robert P. Jones sees the changes as evidence of a national shift, particularly among younger evangelical Protestants, in attitudes on homosexuality overall."
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    Actually, the greater correlation is that of a rapidly declining reverence for marriage of any kind.

    I think it is a very ominous sign of a general disregard for what are almost dismissively called "family values" by a growing percentage of younger people. Ominous because of all the mountains of evidence showing that stable, loving, supportive families, especially with both a father and mother present, give the best chance for producing stable, loving parents of future families, and people in general.

    I will end by trying to head off all those who offer the reflexive response that many very loving, stable, responsible people have come from families that are little like the "traditional" father/mother lead family, by stating that I agree completely. I know and have known many such people and applaud them for their unusual fortitude and self determination.

    I'd also refer again to the mountains of data showing that outcome to be atypical and suggest it would be a **good thing** if more people had better odds.

  • Mrs T Coalville, UT
    Feb. 28, 2014 8:17 p.m.

    This is just a fulfillment of prophecy! This doesn't mean society is developing but instead degenerating. Congratulations to the young woman doing as the Savior commanded the woman caught in adultery, as he told her to go her way and sin no more. As the Savior declared if ye love me keep my commandments.

  • HelioTeller Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 28, 2014 9:02 p.m.

    I, too, want to make a prophecy. By 2024, the majority of those still against gay marriage will do the mental gymnastics necessary to convince themselves that they were never really against gay marriage in the first place. Even some of the doomsayers, I bet!

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    Feb. 28, 2014 9:48 p.m.

    Golly gee. I wonder if those increasing poll numbers have ANYTHING to do with the Gay Agenda that has been shoved down our throats? We can’t watch a tv show without having a gay character pop up. We can’t watch a news broadcast without having a gay issue being debated. You would think that half the country is gay, wouldn’t you?! But you’d be way, way off.

    In an article entitled, "Americans Have No Idea How Few Gay People There Are" published May 31, 2012, in The Atlantic magazine, we learn: The Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law, a gay and lesbian think tank, released a study in April 2011 estimating based on its research that just 1.7 percent of Americans between 18 and 44 identify as gay or lesbian, while another 1.8 percent -- predominantly women -- identify as bisexual.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Feb. 28, 2014 10:18 p.m.

    I wonder if people who favor same sex marriage consider its long term negative social consequences. If the criteria for marriage is simply that people love and are committed to each other, then it won't be long before "marriages" of three or more people, same sex or heterosexual, are also legalized. After all, if they claim to love each other why shouldn't they be able to be married? There are already many "families" like this who are anxiously hoping that same sex marriage will be legalized so they can then have their relationships receive legal status as well. Just imagine the social chaos that will follow in the wake of gay marriage. Do we really want this? It will make marriage meaningless and seriously undermine the traditional family.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 28, 2014 10:18 p.m.

    Religion is losing its' ability to maintain the stereotypes that reality is discrediting.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 28, 2014 10:29 p.m.

    @samhill
    Statistical averages are problematic to use for setting up laws like your side uses for same-sex marriage. What if we looked at race and which situation is "ideal"? What about income? Should we ban poor people from marrying too?

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 1, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    The article leaves out parts of the survey - such as which religions are viewed as hostile to LGBT individuals and issues.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    March 1, 2014 9:31 a.m.

    To "Schnee" who responded to my post by referring to problems of "statistical averages" (are there any other kind?), I suggest you reread the last two paragraphs of my post.

  • Ice Cream Sandwich provo, UT
    March 1, 2014 11:52 a.m.

    This isn't a political issue, it's a moral issue, and God has spoken on this moral issue. We're in dire need of repentance on a statewide and national scale, and in living again under God's will.

  • bj-hp Maryville, MO
    March 1, 2014 12:35 p.m.

    It matters not what polls or public opinion means. It only matters to what our Heavenly Father has stated through his chosen mouth pieces. That is that any sexual relations outside of marriage as defined between man and woman is an abomination before him. This includes all sexual relations between men and women who are not married and any homosexual act. Therefore, it is up to those of us who hold to the Lord's word to voice that to everyone. Whether you wish to obey or not is up to you, but remember gay lifestyle is not condoned nor allowable to the Lord. It calls for total repentance and to abstain from any sexual relationship except as defined.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    March 1, 2014 9:09 p.m.

    In a generation from now kids are going to be embarrassed their parents ever fought against gay marriage. It will happen. Nobody's life will be worse because of it, but many, many people will have it better because of it.
    Time to accept it.

  • Snapdragon Midlothian, VA
    March 1, 2014 9:25 p.m.

    Kalindra said,

    "The article leaves out parts of the survey - such as which religions are viewed as hostile to LGBT individuals and issues."

    No religion is hostile against LGBT individuals. Supporting traditional marriage is not a form of hatred.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    March 1, 2014 11:04 p.m.

    I can appreciate the frustration of those of same-sex attraction. Their stand on equal civil rights in my view is constitutionally firm. Why is it, though, that while same-sex attraction is accepted as biological and innate, opposite-sex attraction and family values are described as the result of frivolous social conditioning?

    Closer to the truth is a gay-straight divide over separate perspectives on adaptive and maladaptive biological imperatives. To encapsulate the debate as civil rights vs. religious bigotry is to seriously mischaracterize the issue.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    March 1, 2014 11:07 p.m.

    It is interesting that those accuse people of being on the wrong side of history. If history is on the wrong side of God than I better be on the wrong side of history.

  • slcdenizen t-ville, UT
    March 1, 2014 11:30 p.m.

    The only downside of this piece is the lack of empathy society has heretofore instilled in each of us. Why does it take knowing a gay friend or relative to drive compassion toward their plight? I too justified homophobic tendencies because I was self-righteous and a good follower. But to what end? If a person with whom I've become acquainted fears reprisal for expressing a part of their identity and perhaps ruining the relationship, what does that say about me? Life is simply too short to hold grudges against people and their choices. I applaud the younger generation who, after being exposed to unfamiliar ways of living, are led toward tolerance and love rather than skepticism and hatred.

  • AZKID Mapleton, UT
    March 1, 2014 11:41 p.m.

    To quote an ancient prophet:

    "Now it is not common that the voice of the people desireth anything contrary to that which is right; but it is common for the lesser part of the people to desire that which is not right; therefore this shall ye observe and make it your law—to do your business by the voice of the people.

    "And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction even as he has hitherto visited this land."

  • Ophelia Bountiful, UT
    March 1, 2014 11:42 p.m.

    I don't understand those who maintain "God has spoken." For example, in Corinthians we're told, "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak." I don't hear anyone demanding women keep silent in church. No one takes that scripture literally. This is just one example of many. Why insist that an obscure scripture in Leviticus is God's word and should be taken literally? I don't understand.

    What I do understand is my deep and abiding love for my dear son and my wonderful gay friends. I love them! I have wept tears of deep sorrow over this issue. I try to stay faithful to the Church, but it is so difficult.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    March 2, 2014 1:08 a.m.

    @LasVegaspam "The Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law, a gay and lesbian think tank, released a study in April 2011 estimating based on its research that just 1.7 percent of Americans between 18 and 44 identify as gay or lesbian,..."

    I had a look at this research. There is a difference between identity and behavior. While those identifying as gay constituted a low percentage, those having some degree of same sex sexual encounter was as high as 8%. Apparently we don't have a good handle on the percentage of the population which is gay, but it appears to be pretty high. We shouldn't cherry pick data.

  • Itsjstmeagain Merritt Island, Fl
    March 2, 2014 7:04 a.m.

    This is one more change to the "Normal" brought about by pioneers in change. This is not unique in history: end of slavery, establishment of Unions, women's rights and even the end of the Viet Nam war was largely due to those who took personal and professional risk to effect change.
    What is next?

  • rfpeterlin Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 2, 2014 7:07 a.m.

    These articles skew the real issues. Gay unions are acceptable to most everyone. Gay Marriages go against beliefs. We are taught to love the person and condemn the sin. Marriage is a religious institution whereas legal unions denote rights and privileges under the law. I oppose forcing others to accept your way of life as much as I oppose people being denied to right to freely associate with whomever they choose.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    March 2, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    I personally am opposed to gay marriage. However, the case on the Utah referendum is very troubling. Justice Anthony Kennedy of the Supreme Court has emphasized states' rights on this issue. Charles Krauthammer has opined that the American people will eventually approve this issue. In spite of the legal issues, there are forces at work in the judiciary to take away the "rights of the people". That is the real issue here. If the people decide that gay marriage is a basic right and not one solitary judge, then the U.S. Constitution must be upheld. The problem will be when this so called right spills over into the area of religion. This has already begun to happen. Issues in regard to the health care mandate should have alarmed each and every Constitutionalist.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    March 2, 2014 8:13 a.m.

    Nobody has asked me. My opinion won't change.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    March 2, 2014 8:36 a.m.

    "Why is it, though, that while same-sex attraction is accepted as biological and innate, opposite-sex attraction and family values are described as the result of frivolous social conditioning?"

    Who has said that? The argument usually goes "when did you choose to be strait?" We honor your rights to marry to partner of your choice and establish and raise a family according to your beliefs.

    Honestly, most of us would be content to not be out in the public pushing for our right. I would rather just quietly live my life and not see these laws that are meant to remind me that I am not natural. I, like others, miss feeling like we are a valued part of our churches and communities.

    Even on here, when we express our years of prayers to change that went unanswered, our experiences get shot down. Some of you tell us we haven't tried hard enough. While well-intentioned, your testimonies feel like a call to repentance for something we honestly can't change.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    March 2, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    CONTINUED:

    Even if only 1.8% of the population were gay, that is over 5 million people in the United States. I consider those of us who were raised in the LDS church to be the lost sheep talked about in the bible. We aren't lost because we have sinned, but we are lost because we have been kicked out, ignored, demeaned, and abandoned.

    Many of us have tried to stay with the flock, but it is hard to remain when you are constantly being bombarded with thoughts that you aren't good enough, aren't as faithful, and are sinners. It's hard to feel like you should remain when people stop sitting with you at the meetings.

    I am grateful for people like those in Mormons Building Bridges who are reaching out from the flock and showing love to the lost sheep. They, in my opinion, are following Christ's teachings. Their efforts are the first step in making is feel like we do belong; that we are a part of the community.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    March 2, 2014 9:07 a.m.

    A boy watches T.V. every day, it tells him "this isn't wrong, we should accept them"
    It repeats every day, but we dare not call media "conditioning" or "influencing"

    Now a teenager, he's bombarded with influence to avoid consequence, that feelings aren't wrong, and that those who teach anything else are unfair, they hate you, and could never love you.

    The young man looks at porn every night, with all sorts of perversions of natural intimacy presented to him. He thinks "I enjoyed this, so was I born attracted to it?"

    He determines that he is, after what could only be a perfect deduction without any consideration of the truthfulness of the premises or the cogency of the conclusion.

    Now with an unchallengeable conviction, popular support and with the comradery of 'being a minority', he proclaims "who he is" and demands acceptance & recognition.

    /////

    4 Facts:

    1 - You can't "condition" your natural anatomical design.
    2 - You can condition the moral tolerance of a behavior.
    3 - The act, social movements and moral acceptance don't bring you love.

    4 - God loves you. Simply return to Him and you'll find what you've been wanting the entire time.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    March 2, 2014 9:12 a.m.

    Opposing same sex marriage is portrayed as discrimination and bigoted.

    Discrimination used to be considered a good thing. It was a compliment to be told you had discriminating tastes. It was an insult to be described as having no discrimination.

    Nobody wants to see anyone sent to the back of the bus because of their color. That kind of discrimination is wrong and everyone knows it.

    I discriminated against all men in my dating habits.
    I also discriminated against all women I did not find attractive.

    It is impossible to make any decision involving money that does not discriminate against everyone you don't give the money to.

    The only difference between freedom and a dictatorship is: Who makes the decisions (A free man makes his own decisions. In a dictatorship decisions are imposed). If you outlaw discrimination, you outlaw freedom.

    As the long term effects of same sex marriage become apparent, this will reverse.
    There is a reason that use of procreative powers outside of real marriage are prohibited.

  • DanO Mission Viejo, CA
    March 2, 2014 9:27 a.m.

    "Marriage is a religious institution"

    Only for some. But for everyone in the US it is a civil contract.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 2, 2014 9:29 a.m.

    Perversion is still perversion no matter whether married or not.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    March 2, 2014 9:43 a.m.

    Lasvegaspam:

    Assuming those Williams Institute figures are actually correct, 1.7% is equivalent of pouring a cup of tap water into a lake. Why all the histrionics? 15% of Americans claim not to have any religious belief and that doesn't stop people from going to church if they want.

    Look, when people are forced to break up their "traditional marriages" and gay marry under force of law, then the anti-gay side will have a point. Until then, they just sound petty and paranoid.

  • Willem Los Angeles, CA
    March 2, 2014 9:47 a.m.

    The nation’s first black attorney general, Mr. Holder has said he views today’s gay-rights campaigns as a continuation of the civil rights movement that won rights for black Americans in the 1950s and ’60s. He has called gay rights one of “the defining civil rights challenges of our time.” Are you listening church members?

  • Lobotech Grantsville, UT
    March 2, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    These polls more than likely " clearly reflect" how many of us are tired of hearing about gay rights night and day. Representing some where around 1% of the population, they get 90% of the air time.

  • Trashboat snowflake, AZ
    March 2, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    Polls? Public perception is not always correctly represented by polls. I do agree that our society is degenerating to a place that is in direct opposition with God but I didn't need a poll to tell me that, its all around and its been foretold in the Holy scriptures. There was a comment that stated "our children will look back and be embarassed by the opposition that we have taken against same sex marriage". I dont think that at all. In fact I see a time when our children will look back at our time and say that they were inspred that we stood strong for the principles that we believed in under immense social pressure. Society may change but the principles we have are strong and they are always the same.

  • HeresAThought Queen Creek, AZ
    March 2, 2014 10:08 a.m.

    I don't think I will ever be embarrassed for firmly standing with traditional marriage. While I am not opposed to a civil union answer for all Americans, straight or gay, marriage is a term with a specific connotation that cannot be molded to fit another definition. I do believe two people of the same sex can love one another, however the biological capacity to create a family, not to mention the substitution of same sex parents for man/woman can have a lasting impact on the family.

    I hear the argument that "it doesn't affect you, so why should you care?" so often I want to scream. Did the television affect families and how they interacted? Has the feminism movement affected families and how children are raised? Has pornography affected families and their fathers or mothers? There is no doubt of the rise of SSM support, but "what is popular isn't always right. What is right isn't always popular."

  • crimendelsiglo Spanish Fork, UT
    March 2, 2014 10:08 a.m.

    examples
    tobacco cigaretts 1920-1944
    nudity in film 1954
    nudity on tv
    marijuana in colorado 2013
    can you add to this list?
    certainly ! easily !

    Vice is a monster of so frightful mien
    As to be hated needs but to be seen;
    Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
    We first endure, then pity, then embrace.”

    Alexander Pope, 1668-1744

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    March 2, 2014 10:16 a.m.

    So many controversial issues, that so many people have opposed, have come to pass.
    Each week another state in our country is having their ban on gay marriage overturned by our judicial system.
    This appears to be so very difficult for so many to accept, doesn't it?
    I hope all of these people will be ok.

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    March 2, 2014 10:26 a.m.

    It is easier to love our brothers and sisters who experience same-sex attraction when they are not combining in a militant effort to do harm to the values and institutions others hold dear and sacred. "Can't we just get along?"

  • BoringGuy Holladay, UT
    March 2, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    Pretty soon gay marriage will be legal in every state once the Supreme Court steps in and does right by the Constitution. Soon after, gay marriage will be firmly entrenched in our culture and most people won't give it much thought.

    Times are a changin ... for the best!

  • Mayfair City, Ut
    March 2, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    IndeMak said: "Nobody has asked me. My opinion won't change."

    I agree.

    Those who are waiting for ALL of us to get on broad and agree with SSM are going to have a verrrry long wait that will still see them disappointed in winning over all of us.

    Won't EVER happen.

  • equal protection Cedar, UT
    March 2, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    “Many believe in “traditional marriage.” Many believe what their ministers and scriptures tell them: that a marriage is a sacrament instituted between God and a man and a woman for society’s benefit. They may be confused —even angry—when a decision such as this one seems to call into question that view. These concerns are understandable and deserve an answer. Our religious beliefs and societal traditions are vital to the fabric of society. Though each faith can define marriage for themselves, at issue here are laws that act outside that protected sphere. Once the government attaches benefits to civil marriage, it must do so constitutionally. It cannot impose a faith-based limitation upon a public right without a sufficient justification for it. Assigning a religious or traditional rationale for a law, does not make it constitutional when that law discriminates against a class of people without other reasons. The beauty of our Constitution is that it accommodates our individual faith’s definition of marriage while preventing the government from unlawfully treating us differently. This is hardly surprising since it was written by people who came to America to find both freedom of religion and freedom from it.”

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    March 2, 2014 11:19 a.m.

    @ Snapdragon

    "No religion is hostile against LGBT individuals. Supporting traditional marriage is not a form of hatred."

    A few weeks ago the DN published a letter from a homeless shelter employee who told of five Mormon children who had sought help from the shelter in less than a week. Each one of them was gay/lesbian. Why don't you ask them if their religion feels hostile to them.

  • equal protection Cedar, UT
    March 2, 2014 11:31 a.m.

    @ IndeMak
    South Jordan, UT
    re: "Nobody has asked me. My opinion won't change."

    But which opinion do we codify into the US Constitution or Civil Marriage law?

    What about the Episcopal, Unitarian, Reformed Judaism, Quaker and Buddhist religious beliefs that celebrate, honor and perform same-sex marriages. Why don't they get a say?

  • Macfarren Dallas, TX
    March 2, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    Marriage, as far as the state is concerned, is a contract that has nothing to do with love, and everything to do with sex. The state doesn't care one way or another if two individuals love each other. No one, gay or otherwise, needs a marriage license to have the state 'recognize' their 'love.' What the state is doing is regulating the act of sex. It has always regulated the act of sex. Prostitution, for instance, is illegal (unless you are in Nevada). Sex with and among minors is also illegal. The state has a vested interest in regulating sexual activity for the good of society, and for the good of the potential children that arise from the sexual act. The state takes the marriage contract serious enough that if one spouse is sexually unfaithful to the other, there is grounds for legal divorce. It is not about 'love' and 'feelings', it is about strengthening the fabric of society by upholding the sexual relationship that society is based on: married husband and wife, male and female. It has always been so, up until the other day when Eric Holder decided to unilaterally become a law unto himself.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    March 2, 2014 11:56 a.m.

    I believe BYU does a yearly poll on this for Utah residents. I suspect there is a similar trend even among the active Mormon population. As a college professor I know the younger generation overwhelmingly supports Gay marriage. Most of my students are puzzled by the opposition of the older generation.

  • koseighty The Shire, UT
    March 2, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    @Snapdragon who said:
    "No religion is hostile against LGBT individuals. Supporting traditional marriage is not a form of hatred."

    Suppose I were to say, "I love and respect my Mormon [or white, or accountant, or any group] friends and neighbors. I just don't think they should be allowed to marry."

    Would you believe I truly love and respect them? or would you see it for the hateful statement that it is?

    Hiding one's hate behind "love and respect" -- or even God -- may support their cognitive dissonance, but it doesn't remove the hate.

    [And no, I would never say such a thing about my Mormon (or other) neighbors. My respect for them includes extending to them ALL the benefits of a free society.]

  • Paddycakes South Jordan, UT
    March 2, 2014 12:18 p.m.

    It is incomprehensible to me that Christians would abandon what they know to be correct and Biblically legal, and turn to accepting and approving voluntary debauchery. We now live in a land, where history repeats itself: each man did what was right in his own eyes...instead of 'what sayeth the Lord'. He is coming back, and He is not all that happy. We, i.e., this nation will pay a price, and God will bring His people to their knees. Instead of this nation getting better and repenting, we are getting worse. We will get what we deserve. The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to say nothing. Like King David: I hate the doers of iniquity.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    March 2, 2014 12:41 p.m.

    Really???

    My point is that opposite sex attraction and family value beliefs are as biologically based as is same-sex attraction.

    Otherwise, you are right. I apologize. All the best.

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    March 2, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    polls,I read the other day where only 8 - 10 percent of women wanted to have combat roles in the military. But it was portrayed that everyone wanted it. So I wonder what and how the questions were asked to get the results of this survey.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    March 2, 2014 12:57 p.m.

    How is other people getting the same rights as you "shoving" anything down your throat? You will not be forced to approve of or support gay marriage. You can go on discriminating and preaching hate as you do now. No one will force you or your church into anything. The way other people look at you might change--but that's not a matter of your rights being infringed upon. That's just the way the world works--just as people who discriminated against racial minorities aren't looked on in a positive way now--but civil rights for African Americans also weren't "shoved down your throats".

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    March 2, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    There are three monotheistic traditions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. All three believe they are an exclusive club and their beliefs are approved by an all powerful deity.

    Jews take their special status and turn inward, imposing complex rules on themselves while making it hard for outsiders to ever be part of the club. Jews generally want to be left alone to live and practice their religion in their community; they identify "persecution" as being forced into ghettos, then being sent to concentration camps and executed.

    Christians, in America and some other countries, want the rules of their club to be laws that apply to all citizens. When their neighbors object, saying "we aren't members of your club and don't want government force to make us live under the rules of your club," many Christians claim they are suffering persecution and loss of their religious rights and freedom.

  • Joey D WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    March 2, 2014 1:16 p.m.

    The population of Sodom and Gomorrah thought they were above God's law also, I know which side I'm on!

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    March 2, 2014 1:28 p.m.

    I understand that those who are not members of the LDS Church will dismiss this as not being part of their belief but those who are members of the LDS should recall scripture and proclamation in regard to shifting polls.

    "And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction."

    "WE. . . the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children."

    "WE WARN that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets."

  • Big Joe V Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    March 2, 2014 1:35 p.m.

    I am amazed that 3% is rewriting the dictionary and we are buying it because of spiritual ignorance. I guess if you insist on calling the tail of a dog a leg you believe the lie that a god has five legs? As for me whenever I see a dog it only has four legs and a tail. Wake up and stand up for the truth.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 2, 2014 1:55 p.m.

    "I wonder if people who favor same sex marriage consider its long term negative social consequences."

    Same-sex marriage has been legal in MA for 10 yrs. Iowa, CT and VT 5+ yrs.

    Still waiting to hear of the negative social consequences.

    More and more heterosexuals are seeing that legalized same-sex marriages have few if any consequences to their own lives and have not been shown to be detrimental to society.

    If we are really concerned about the family we would be mobilized around strengthening/improving schools and job opportunities, and practicing family planning. There is ample research which demonstrates the negative consequences to children and families by poverty.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    March 2, 2014 2:08 p.m.

    As a Gay man,Christian and a student of the scriptures I contend:
    That the Bible does not content all the teachings of the Lord.
    That the Bible is a collection of books chosen by men to satisfy their personal set of beliefs and many times of those ecclesiastical and secular powers who order and/or supported the work.
    That the Bible has suffered from inaccurate translations to satisfy the establishment and /or concepts learned through tradition. e.g. Jesus and the healing of the Centurion servant, who may also be translated as his male lover.

    It seems that those opposed to SSM needs to decide if they want to continue opposing it at the legal level, or oppose it as a matter of faith limited to their churches and personal lives.

    I see in our liberation a fulfillment of the gospel. Therefore , I would like to call your attention to Gamaliels' advice Acts 5:39 " But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God"

    May the Holy Ghost direct your thoughts and lives and give you humility to accept what you know is right i.e. Love

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    March 2, 2014 2:07 p.m.

    The report of the Study sub-headlines with "Nearly one-third of Millennials who left childhood religion cite negative church teachings about gay and lesbian people as important factor" This quote suggests the religious are against persons - That is not the case, biblical teaching is against the acts of homosexuality while loving the person.

    I must admit the LGBT effort has been very effective and the campaign is working as shown by the shifting numbers. Since the legalization of SSM in Mass there has been an increasing infusion of pro-gay material being taught in the schools and to increasingly younger and younger children.

    It is also now very interesting that the LGBT community is more and more calling itself LGBTQ - the Q being questioning, and the effort to suggest to those younger and younger that if they have not yet found their sexual identity they should at least consider that they may be LGBT.

  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    March 2, 2014 2:09 p.m.

    Trends are happening faster and faster in these modern times. How long did it take for the trend away from kings to take place. When that happened in 1776-1789 here in the US though, it was only for white men who owned land. Even though Abigail Adams is quoted often about telling her husband to don't forget the women, it wasn't until the early 1900's that women were able to vote. The big fight over the Bill of Rights which was fought to get the constitution passed and was eventually passed during the first congressional session was basically forgotten until the 1900's when it was used as the vehicle to pass civil rights. Now we have groups all over the place that are fighting for rights the rest of us take for granted and the fact is, they are discriminated against and should have the rights our founding fathers talked about, even if only for white men. It seems to me that religions that base their theology on salvation for all should embrace rights for all as well. Christ was harder on the power elite than he was on the sinner.

  • mcdugall Murray, UT
    March 2, 2014 2:11 p.m.

    One must not forget to read Leviticus 11:9-12. So, how many of the non-supports of equality regularly disobey this passage and create "abomination unto you"? My point is, it becomes highly hypocritical to selectively interpret the bible for your own gain and yet claim to be in full compliance with the words of God.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    March 2, 2014 2:22 p.m.

    "As more people realize that they have a gay neighbor or friend or family member, the reality of that relationship crashes into — and destroys — their stereotypes and preconceptions."

    Before he was killed Harvey Milk said, "Every gay person must come out. As difficult as it is, you must tell your immediate family. You must tell your relatives. You must tell your friends if indeed they are your friends. You must tell the people you work with. You must tell the people in the stores you shop in. Once they realize that we are indeed their children, that we are indeed everywhere, every myth, every lie, every innuendo will be destroyed once and all."

    Religion thrives on "us vs them" paradigms, and religious leaders need outsiders and boogeyman to scare the flock into obedience. Those images lose their force when that distant threat turns into your son or daughter, your brother or sister, your neighbor or friend or colleague. The real fear driving the anti-gay agenda is Gays being seen as "people" and divisive religious leaders needing to manufacture a new threat to keep their flock in line.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    March 2, 2014 4:38 p.m.

    @Laggie

    10 years is hardly "long term." That's like someone saying that they smoked cigarettes for a week and felt no negative health consequences. What will the social consequences of gay marriage be in three or four generations? That's what concerns me. But thanks for the comment.

    My comment got 25 likes and out of 60 comments and you are the only person to take issue with it. Why? Perhaps people really realize that gay marriage will bring on more and more marriage aberrations until marriage is meaningless. Which, I suspect is the hidden agenda of many of the people who are pushing for gay marriage.

  • Copacetic Logan, UT
    March 2, 2014 5:45 p.m.

    This is certainly not the first time society has gone in the wrong direction in a misplaced desire to be politically correct. Live and learn. In the meantime, we'll sadly have to suffer the consequences. And it won't be pretty.

  • Upson Downs Sandy, UT
    March 2, 2014 6:17 p.m.

    Interesting results considering intimate relationships between members of the same sex will never be normal behavior. Mother Nature will never be on the side of acceptance of gay relationships.

  • TheTrueVoice West Richland, WA
    March 2, 2014 6:20 p.m.

    Witnessing your fellow Utah citizens obtaining the identical rights you have is not an infringement on your rights or beliefs. Not being able to unjustifiably force people to conform to how you want them to be, isn't an infringement on your freedoms.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    March 2, 2014 6:42 p.m.

    @1aggie

    Social consequences can take decades to show, 5 or 10 years is nothing.

    It is absurd to think you will learn anything in just a few years.

    The destruction of the moral infrastructure of our country, destruction of the family, destruction of the holy institution of marriage, can NEVER be a good thing in the long run.

    To believe otherwise you are kidding yourself.

    These polls do not mean anything because people will say things publically (to pollsters) that are publically popular or believed to be politically correct ( a communist coined term to publically pressure people into thinking and behaving a certain way).

    But in private and in voting booths, the same people say differently. For example in every state there was a law or amendment to vote on in regards to marriage, it has passed.

    The polls lie, they just record what people are willing to say publically. And if the young think differently it is because of indoctrination in schools and culture and peer pressure of political correctness and the failure of their parents to teach right and from wrong.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 2, 2014 6:58 p.m.

    @ Macfarren

    The state does not regulate sex. Unmarried people, of all sexual orientations, are having sex every single day.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 2, 2014 7:44 p.m.

    Religions should not try to control non members by influencing government.

  • Kangaroo Riverton, UT
    March 2, 2014 7:55 p.m.

    JSB says it well. That is a way of looking at this issue that many people do not talk about.
    Also, maybe many people are "supporting" gay marriage because they are scared--if anyone speaks out about gay marriage and supports traditional, they are told they are homophobic, haters, etc. And that isn't the case. One can still support traditional marriage, yet not be hostile towards gays.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    March 2, 2014 10:12 p.m.

    @ JSB

    The divorce rate among heterosexual couples is 50%. If anyone is threatening to make marriage meaningless, it's us.

  • No H8 - Celebrate Salt Lake, UT
    March 2, 2014 10:37 p.m.

    @JSB "Perhaps people really realize that gay marriage will bring on more and more marriage aberrations until marriage is meaningless."

    If marriage is meaningless why not look in the mirror for blame?

    You have no problem with laying out the legal civil marriage red carpet for convicted felon spousal, child, drug and alcohol abusers where known harm exists. If those aren't aberrations then I don't know what is.

    Targeting only same-sex couples shows vile animus. Blaming same-sex couples for the failure of heterosexuals to act in a certain way has no rational basis in civil marriage law.

  • TheWalker Saratoga Springs, UT
    March 2, 2014 11:12 p.m.

    I wonder what the results would have been if a similar poll had been taken in Sodom and Gomorrah prior to their destruction.

  • LovelyDeseret Gilbert, AZ
    March 2, 2014 11:18 p.m.

    Radical gays have done a great job of convincing everyone that if you don't agree with them you are a horrible person.
    There a few states left where people are allowed to think for themselves and not be intimidated into agreeing.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    March 2, 2014 11:42 p.m.

    A wise philosopher once said, "be excellent to each other."

    If you believe a lifestyle is wrong, that is something for you and you alone to base your life around. Be excellent to others who, while living a lifestyle you might disagree with, are still human beings who deserve common respect.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    March 2, 2014 11:44 p.m.

    "Social consequences can take decades to show, 5 or 10 years is nothing. It is absurd to think you will learn anything in just a few years."

    What we do know is the decades of harm that has been done to men and women out of concern for our soles. We've been told for years by the experts that we are perverts, evil, and unworthy of the blessings of heaven, and it often takes years to overcome those fiery darts that wound us. Unfortunately, too many fall prey to the lies and wind up taking their own lives.

    I honestly believe that the LDS leadership is guiding its members in small steps to make amends for the harm that has been done to its LGBT members. Unfortunately, some are slow to accept change and unwilling to accept us in their chapels. Things will happen, but perhaps He is waiting for the pharisees and Zoramites to experience a change of heart first.

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    March 3, 2014 4:37 a.m.

    Snapdragon said:

    No religion is hostile against LGBT individuals. Supporting traditional marriage is not a form of hatred.

    Make no mistake, to deny equal rights to a minority group is a violent act and inherently hostile. It matters not what justification is put forth in support of the discrimination.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    March 3, 2014 7:14 a.m.

    @LovelyDeseret 11:18 p.m. March 2, 2014

    Radical gays have done a great job of convincing everyone that if you don't agree with them you are a horrible person.
    There a few states left where people are allowed to think for themselves and not be intimidated into agreeing.

    -----------------------

    Let me correct your comment. It should read: "Radical ANTI-gays have done a great job of convincing people that if you don't agree with them you are a horrible person."

    BTW -- I agree that there a few states left where people are allowed to think for themselves and not be intimidated into agreeing. Maine, Maryland and Washington are good examples of that fact.

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    March 3, 2014 7:28 a.m.

    @LovelyDeseret said:

    Radical gays have done a great job of convincing everyone that if you don't agree with them you are a horrible person

    Try this on. Do you like how it fits?

    Radical religious extremists have done a great job of convincing everyone that if you don't agree with them you are a horrible person.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    March 3, 2014 7:40 a.m.

    Bob A. Bohey,

    I suppose if you're willing to re-define marriage, it only makes sense that you'd re-define the word "violent" too. I guess any other opinions aside from your own must automatically be violent.

    Makes sense, in an abstract... nonsensical kind of way.

  • coloreader fowler, CO
    March 3, 2014 9:09 a.m.

    ernest T: in a generation my kids will be thankful I held to truths in the scriptures, thankful I supported marriage between a man and a woman and fought for it. Many many lives will be bless for it. In due time everyone will come to accept it.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    March 3, 2014 9:23 a.m.

    Ajax, where has heterosexual orientation ever been described as "opposite-sex attraction and family values are described as the result of frivolous social conditioning?" I've never heard anyone say that anywhere. And if someone did they would either be satirical or absoulutely crazy.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    March 3, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    @ marxist - Salt Lake City, UT - @LasVegaspam "The Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law, a gay and lesbian think tank, released a study in April 2011 estimating based on its research that just 1.7 percent of Americans between 18 and 44 identify as gay or lesbian,..."

    I had a look at this research. There is a difference between identity and behavior. While those identifying as gay constituted a low percentage, those having some degree of same sex sexual encounter was as high as 8%. ....... We shouldn't cherry pick data."

    Whether it's 1.7% or even 8%, that's still waaaaaaaaay a minority of the population. And I'll go even further and state that even if 8% of the population, that 8% is able to, unfortunately, exert far, far more influence than they deserve.

    A heterosexual can't swing a dead cat without somehow encroaching on the rights of a dozen homosexuals. Mention you're against homosexuality and you're a bigot. If an athlete tweets he is against homosexuality, he's booted off the team, etc.

    Ironically, you are doing the very thing you decry: cherry picking data and trying to deduce that a vast minority deserve a majority of the influence.

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 3, 2014 9:27 a.m.

    "RocketScience"
    "Since the legalization of SSM in Mass there has been an increasing infusion of pro-gay material being taught in the schools and to increasingly younger and younger children."

    Sources?

    Are you referring to the incidents presented in commercials against Prop 8? Or is there new information? Can you provide specifics?

    What is "pro-gay" material?

    Is it "prro-gay" to teach children to treat those whose family structure (single parent households, grandparents raising kids, different race, lesbian/gay etc) is different than their own with respect and kindness?

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    March 3, 2014 9:27 a.m.

    JSB, gay marriage doesn't hurt heterosexual marriage. Only heterosexuals can do that.

    You know what does hurt heterosexual marriage? Encouraging gay people to marry people of the opposite sex.

  • IMAN Marlborough, MA
    March 3, 2014 9:34 a.m.

    @I know it. I Live it. I Love it:

    "I suppose if you're willing to re-define marriage, it only makes sense that you'd re-define the word "violent" too. I guess any other opinions aside from your own must automatically be violent."

    Denying or actively attempting to deny equal rights is inherently violent, there no redefining of anything about that, regardless of the spin doctoring or supposed religious justification.

    "Makes sense, in an abstract... nonsensical kind of way."

    Tell that to the families that are the target of the discrimination, bigotry and hate that is directed at them. Those who are not the target of this ugly, evil violence do not get to define it or it's impact.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    March 3, 2014 9:35 a.m.

    @ JSB @ The Truth

    JSB: Instead of attacking Laggie, you should be grateful that he/she had the courtesy of replying to your comment. Your long term harm, is abstract and without any foundation. We have heard it a thousand times and still without any basis on reality.

    The Truth: Destruction?? Your side it seems the only group wanting to see destruction to feel you are on the right. We LGBT are not for destruction, on the contrary, we are on the side of building a better society for ALL.

    10 years of marriage is not long enough for you. 10 years of marriage and 40 years of producing the teenagers and children that are/will be members of the new generation. Our children will continue as we (you and I) pass. Children of LGBT are Intelligent, Caring and well centered individuals. Most of them are straight and a percentage of them are LGBT as in the rest of society. The difference with our LGBT children is that they grow up in a caring and accepting environment.

  • No H8 - Celebrate Salt Lake, UT
    March 3, 2014 9:55 a.m.

    @ I Know it...
    Was traditional voting redefined by including women in the institution of voting? If so, please explain how.
    History shows us that marriage is not defined by those who are excluded. Otherwise, why would we allow opposite sex felon child and spousal abusers to civil marry?
    Interracial couples wanted to participate in the institution that traditionally did not allow them to marry. Tradition is simply not a valid reason to continue a practice of discrimination.
    There are no Interracial marriage licenses.
    There are no felony marriage licenses.
    There are no non-procreative marriage licenses.
    Allowing same-sex couples to also participate and/or strengthen the existing institution, means there is only ONE marriage for all. Nothing has been re-defined. Look no further than "traditional voting" which was NOT "re-defined" nor did it become genderless by allowing women another gender, the right to vote. A right to marry someone for which there is no attraction or desire of intimacy is simply no right at all. The "redefinition argument" is a logical fallacy

  • No H8 - Celebrate Salt Lake, UT
    March 3, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    After several generations reliable undisputed data demonstrates that poverty and educational level directly affects marriage stability. Moreover, several generations of convicted felon harm and abuse has occurred in opposite sex married families and directly impacts marriage stability.

    Yet after generations of evidence, why no demands for a parental fitness test for civil marriage eligibility. Convictions, educational and income level etc.

    Why?

    Why single out and target same-sex couples for vile animus, where the only reliable objective main stream evidence is positive outcomes?

    Why? Please educate me. Why? The only conclusion has to be bigotry and prejudice, and no other legitimate and rational reason.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    March 3, 2014 10:31 a.m.

    @ dmcvey

    The common argument that someone who advocates on behalf of traditional marriage and family values is a religious bigot is just another way of saying that there is no real basis for their opinion other than senseless social conditioning. I agree that it is wrong. Beliefs on both sides of the gay-straight controversy are to an important degree biologically driven and should be equally respected.

    I fully support LGBT civil rights and am saddened by the long-standing abuse they have suffered. Still, that is no reason to vilify religion.

  • koseighty The Shire, UT
    March 3, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    @TheWalker who said:
    "I wonder what the results would have been if a similar poll had been taken in Sodom and Gomorrah prior to their destruction."

    Jewish tradition holds that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of their treatment of strangers and the poor. "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. (Ezekiel 16:49)"

    From a Jewish site: "The Sodomites were notorious for their wickedness. They had no consideration for the poor, nor for the passing stranger to whom they offered no hospitality; nor would they even sell him any food or water." Lot proved his worthiness to the Lord by taking the strangers (angels) in, offering them food, water, wine and shelter.

    The idea that God's judgement had anything to do with homosexuality is a late interpretation by Christianity and Islam, but still not held by the Jews.

    As the story is of Jewish origin, perhaps we should defer to their interpretation. Google "Sodom Gomorrah Jewish views."

    I find it difficult to base modern law on some religions' misinterpretation of their own scripture.

  • Values Voter LONG BEACH, CA
    March 3, 2014 1:28 p.m.

    Paddycakes:
    "He is coming back, and He is not all that happy. We, i.e., this nation will pay a price, and God will bring His people to their knees."

    Rocket Science:
    (Quotes from the Proclamation)
    ".. . we warn . . . of calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets."

    As American society moves to embrace the full humanity of gay people more and more, issuing threats and warnings about "dire consequences" of that positive evolution will prove less and less effective. This poll is evidence of that. I've been tracking this issue for some time now (even before the LDS church became involved in California's Prop 22 in 1999). Back then, it was much more common to see frustrated posters resort to predictions about "the end times" in an argument. Now, such strategies in forums like this are, a.) much less frequent, and b.), pretty easy to dismiss, since they tend to come when the poster realizes there are few, if any, rational secular arguments for excluding gay people from the institution of --CIVIL-- marriage.

  • koseighty The Shire, UT
    March 3, 2014 2:11 p.m.

    @Values Voter who commented on

    Paddycakes:
    "He is coming back, and He is not all that happy. We, i.e., this nation will pay a price, and God will bring His people to their knees."

    Rocket Science:
    (Quotes from the Proclamation)
    ".. . we warn . . . of calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets."

    And, also, too. These threats would hold more weight if they weren't recycled from the church's battle against civil rights and interracial marriage back in the 50s and 60s. They will have a harder time getting the world to forget their position this time -- the internet never forgets.

  • TheWalker Saratoga Springs, UT
    March 3, 2014 8:45 p.m.

    Homosexuality has been declared by the prophets, both ancient and modern, to be a sin of enormous moral magnitude. The individuals, communities, and nations that embrace such a lifestyle will in time be destroyed.

    There are, unfortunately, many who would call themselves Christians who have been persuaded by the immoral teachings of our society into believing that homosexuality is an acceptable alternative to the Creator's design of the family. I find it appalling that a significant number of those who would call themselves Saints have been deceived as well.

  • koseighty The Shire, UT
    March 3, 2014 11:46 p.m.

    @TheWalker who said:
    "Homosexuality has been declared by the prophets, both ancient and modern, to be a sin of enormous moral magnitude."

    Luckily, in the United States "sin" does not equal "crime." For example, here are some "sins":

    shrimp -- NOT illegal
    cheeseburgers -- NOT illegal
    alcohol -- NOT illegal
    tobacco -- NOT illegal
    masturbation -- NOT illegal
    adultery -- NOT illegal

    and even:

    homosexuality -- NOT illegal

    In addition, the courts have ruled 19 times since Windsor that laws prohibiting marriage equality ARE unconstitutional and thus illegal.

    People are free to believe whatever they will. But defining something a "sin" is not grounds to enshrine your beliefs in law. That is precisely what our civil rights, as inscribed in our Constitution, are designed to protect against.

  • Free Agency Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2014 8:12 a.m.

    Yes, the fact that more and more (probably the huge majority) of Americans now know someone personally who's gay, is why gay rights--including gay marriage--have made such leaps in acceptance in our country.

    To those people who still say, "Keep your sexuality private, we don't need to know about it!"--that's exactly why gays make their orientation public: so people will see them as real human beings, not "the other."

    If you read the stories of individual gays coming out, and getting married (or demonstrating for that right), you'll be shocked to find that they never once talk about what they do in bed. They just want their dignity and their rights.

    It's strictly in the minds of bigoted straights that gays are "pushing their sex practices" in straight people's faces. And guess what? If these bigoted straights hadn't made such a big deal about gays throughout history, as well as the present time, gays wouldn't need to make a big deal about it now.

    To those straights who are "sick and tired of hearing/reading about gays," you brought that on yourselves.

  • Values Voter LONG BEACH, CA
    March 4, 2014 8:49 a.m.

    Here is another reason why polls are moving:

    A trial is occurring in Michigan as I write. An expert witness who is cited in both the State of Utah's brief and the LDS, et al Amicus brief is testifying. On the eve of his testimony, here is an official statement his employer, University of Texas at Austin - dept. of Sociology, released:

    "Like all faculty, Dr. Regnerus has the right to pursue his areas of research and express his point of view.  However, Dr. Regnerus’ opinions are his own. They do not reflect the views of the Sociology Department of The University of Texas at Austin.  Nor do they reflect the views of the American Sociological Association, which takes the position that the conclusions he draws from his study of gay parenting are fundamentally flawed on conceptual and methodological grounds and that findings from Dr. Regnerus’ work have been cited inappropriately in efforts to diminish the civil rights and legitimacy of LBGTQ partners and their families.  We encourage society as a whole to evaluate his claims."

  • Erika Salem, Utah
    March 4, 2014 2:05 p.m.

    This is crazy. I have nothing against some kind of legal arrangement that recognizes committed adults, regardless of gender or gender preference, sharing a permanent household, providing for insurance coverage and survivor benefits, among other helpful financial and civil benefits offered to people in spousal relationships. But those things are not marriage. Marriage is truly meant to be between one man and one woman. Defining it any other way is inviting an unknowable wake of disaster for individuals, families and society.

    People keep equating this with civil rights. It is not. All have the right to marry a member of the opposite sex. No one is forced to marry. No rights are violated. Everyone should be treated with respect, whether homosexual or heterosexual. People need to stop mixing issues and feelings with legal rights. I can't expect the "right" to do something just because I want to, or to redefine something just because I have a bunch of people who also want to.

  • Bob K portland, OR
    March 4, 2014 4:07 p.m.

    If there WERE a conspiracy by Gay folks or others to hurt churches and cause their young people to leave religion behind
    --- then the ridiculous lady speaker who was cited and half the comments here would be doing their work.

    The world has changed.
    Young people know everything nowadays, and are less ready to accept pat answers.

    It is complete nonsense that adding loving, taxpaying adults to the ranks of the married damages marriage. Massachusett's divorce rate is tiny in comparison to Utah or the Bible Belt States.

    All this boils down to:

    1-- Snooty religious people do not want to give civil rights to folks they do not approve of, taxpaying citizens or not.

    2-- Fearful churches do not look hard enough for ways to keep their Gay kids as equals.

    Young people see "religious" people speaking against Gays, and hate the speaker, not the Gays.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    March 4, 2014 10:37 p.m.

    koseighty,

    Eating a cheeseburger isn't illegal.
    Homosexuality isn't illegal.

    The law doesn't recognize cheeseburgers as a healthy food.
    The law doesn't recognize homosexuality as a healthy union, a valid one, or one worth recognition.

    Calling a cheeseburger healthy for your own gain is irresponsible. Neglecting the well being of others to satisfy yourself is wrong.

    Homosexuality doesn't bring us happiness. It's a sin and brings despair. Calling it a good or acceptable thing is likewise wrong. We will be held accountable before God for whether we followed true principles or rejected them.

    We have a choice to follow, or not follow the truth.
    We have a choice to refrain, or fight the truth.
    We don't choose what is actually true or not.

    I'd rather be on the side of God than history or modern social movements that are short-lived. God is eternal. The happiness He extends to us is eternal. There is no reason to fight that, at all, that can be justified. Right is right, wrong is wrong. Wickedness never was happiness.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    March 5, 2014 12:20 a.m.

    Mayfair and IndeMak, once marriage equality is legal no one will care about your opinion. They will get married, or not, and live their lives without the burden of knowing or caring what you think about them.

  • No H8 - Celebrate Salt Lake, UT
    March 5, 2014 7:48 a.m.

    @ I Know it
    re: "The law doesn't recognize homosexuality as a healthy union, a valid one, or one worth recognition."
    Please check your facts. Actually the law does in many US states, all of Canada and most of Europe. In fact Iowa and Mass have the lowest divorce rate in the US. Two states where SSM is thriving and opposite sex couples are learning about commitment and stable marriages from them.

    re: "We will be held accountable before God for whether we followed true principles or rejected them." Actually, Episcopal, Unitarian, Reformed Judaism, Quaker and Buddhist faiths, embrace, celebrate, honor and perform same-sex marriages. They are blessed with special access to moral truth for which remaining religions are not privy. Moreover, they have freedom of religion rights in civil marriage law too. Why do you want to take that right away from them?

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    March 5, 2014 11:38 a.m.

    No H8:

    How are those denominations you mention privy to truths that others are not? Is it becasue you agree with them? Did God bring forth scripture to those sects that He is keeping secret from the rest of us?

    God's Word is available to all. If you choose to disregard it, you do so at your own risk. I am happy to be on God's side rather than on the side of a rapidly decaying secular society. If that means I get called a "bigot", that is fine. Christ was called worse....

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    March 5, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    @ RedWings $ I know it...

    How do you know you are on God's side?

    God is loving and accepting. He taught you not to judge.

    Have you considered John's words:
    1 John 4:20

    "Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen"

  • Evidence Not Junk Science Iron, UT
    March 5, 2014 12:32 p.m.

    @Red Wings
    How is your own denomination privy to truths that others are not? Is it because you agree with them? Did God bring forth scripture to your sects that He is keeping secret from others? God's Word is indeed available to all, but you must look in the right place. Jesus did not advocate hate. If you want to seek Gods word regarding same-sex marriage, his loving truth is found here:

    Affirming Pentecostal Church International
    Alliance of Christian Churches
    Anointed Affirming Independent Ministries
    The Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
    Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
    Community of Christ
    Conservative Judaism
    Ecumenical Catholic Church
    Ecumenical Catholic Communion
    The Episcopal Church
    Evangelical Anglican Church In America
    Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
    Global Alliance of Affirming Apostolic Pentecostals
    Inclusive Orthodox Church
    Metropolitan Community Church
    Old Catholic Church
    Progressive Christian Alliance
    Reconciling Pentecostals International
    Reconstructionist Judaism
    Reform Judaism
    Reformed Anglican Catholic Church
    Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
    Unitarian Universalist Church
    United Church of Christ
    Unity Church

  • Values Voter LONG BEACH, CA
    March 5, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    @ RedWings, I know it . . . , et al

    Here's the predicament you're in; In America, where people are granted wide latitude with respect to religious belief & practice, No H8's claim is every bit as valid as yours. He's turning your claim around on you, your claim that "God says X about Y and Z" and saying, "No, He doesn't" -- end of story.

    Educated people should all recognize that religious beliefs, claims and doctrines conflict, and are therefore, unreliable. This is precisely why we don't enshrine any specific religious belief into law, unless there is ample secular reason to do so.

  • Cookie999 Sandy, UT
    March 5, 2014 4:48 p.m.

    If 1.7% of the population is gay or lesbian, could someone to explain to me why entire towns in history had no homosexual members or lesbian members, and there were hundreds and thousands of people in them. I wish there were records available of what Jewish or other traditional matchmakers were able to accomplish in accounting for who was married to whom, because I think it would be extremely revealing of how there really is someone for everyone, but it is, in my opinion, someone of the opposite gender.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    March 5, 2014 9:30 p.m.

    @Cookie999

    "could someone to explain to me why entire towns in history had no homosexual members or lesbian members, and there were hundreds and thousands of people in them."

    Maybe because, historically, being gay could get you imprisoned, institutionalized, sterilized, run out of town, beaten, tortured, murdered...

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2014 9:58 p.m.

    to Lasvegaspam (pg 1)...

    There is social engineering in the media. Really?

    Do you believe religion is under attack? This periodical implies it at least 3 times a week. If so, lets hear it for confirmation bias.

  • Bob K portland, OR
    March 6, 2014 1:39 a.m.

    Ophelia
    Bountiful, UT
    "I don't understand those who maintain "God has spoken." For example, in Corinthians we're told, "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak." I don't hear anyone demanding women keep silent in church. No one takes that scripture literally. This is just one example of many. Why insist that an obscure scripture in Leviticus is God's word and should be taken literally? I don't understand.

    What I do understand is my deep and abiding love for my dear son and my wonderful gay friends. I love them! I have wept tears of deep sorrow over this issue. I try to stay faithful to the Church, but it is so difficult."

    You are close to Jesus on this one. Men who say that they are His servants run churches that are based on marriage and procreation, and live in fear of how to integrate their own Gay children.

    I hope you speak up at church and do not let anyone silence you.