Who is kidding who, it's always been about Silicon Slopes. The jail is in a
perfect location that is convenient for it's workers, law enforcement,
volunteers and visitors. Before they decide to move it, we want to
know where, the cost, and how much the property will offset the cost, if any.
Then it needs to be open for public comments.
Yes by all means lets have more sprawl.
The rendering accompanying this article showing the development potential of the
state prison property once the prison is relocated is absolutely rediculous. It
is a pure pipe dream. It reminds me of the rendering for two 50 story buildings
in downtown Salt Lake proposed years ago by the Saudi Arabian
armsdealer/developer Adnan Khashoggi. He promised it would happen. It never did.
The rendering showing the future of the state prison property tries to make us
believe that this will be bigger than downtown Salt Lake City which has taken
over 100 years to get to the point where it is today. If anyone really believes
the state prison property will be developed in such a fashion I have that
proverbial land in Florida to sell to you.
What I love most is the beautiful gravel pit in the background
There is a big hole for the prison where the developers were developing the new
Those legislators involved in the real estate business can't wait to get
their grubby hand on this property. I have a different idea. Move the prison
and turn the entire place into a gigantic county park. A nice pond with
rowboats, fishing, tons of trees. A nice little nature preserve. No buildings.
Something all of us can enjoy, not just the few legislators that intend to
profit from the move.
Simply a pipedream for Draper
The world is flat society has already weighed in, but I am excited about what
this means for Utah's future and economy! Those fleeing the decadence of
liberal blue states will find a haven of true progress and economic activity in
Well it certainly isn't because of the age of all of the facilities there.
Many of the buildings are relatively new and rebuilding a few older buildings
would be cheaper than rebuilding ALL the buildings.Nor is it because
the prison is running out of room. Take a look on any satellite photo site and
you will see that only about 1/4 of the land is even in use for
incarceration.If more bed space is needed, there is plenty of land
all around the Gunnison prison, much of which Utah State already owns.But if it really is about a need for land for industrial development, there is
a lot more land available in the northwest corner of Draper near the Coke plant.
If commercial development is a better use for corrections land than for
corrections, it would be less expensive to develop Sugarhouse Park, prison land
already landscaped with it's own pond, would make a great industrial
High density development halfway between downtown SLC and Provo makes a lot of
sense. The strong north-south corridor is ideal for development along the
Frontrunner line. Then reserve more parkland rather than allowing the kind of
urban sprawl that is too typical of both valleys. A good master plan and strong
zoning can make it happen.
Heck, I wanted to see the artist rendering of the prison out in the middle of
the west desert. And I get this, go figure...
Where the state prison now is at the South end of the Salt Lake Valley use to be
where it was so far away from residential communities. (Previously, the state
prison use to be where Sugarhouse Park is now. I should know, my great, great
grandfather, Feramorz Little, was the contractor back in 'Pioneer
Times' who was hired as the general contractor to build it).I
believe that moving the state prison from its current central location (along
the populous Wasatch FRont) will result more and more in this condition—
"I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not:
sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.P —Matthew 25:43)On
a practical basis, correctional entities make it impossible enough for anyone
and everyone to visit prisoners. But putting the prison in a more distant locale
will make it MUCH MORE DIFFICULT and IMPOSSIBLE for families and friends to
visit those whom they love who are in prison.We need to consider
much more humanitarian reasons to LEAVE the state prison RIGHT WHERE IT IS!
$4,000 for drawings that are not based upon anything concrete (pardon the pun).
I think the denial that a developer/legislator will not benefit
directly from the proposed sale of the land is technically true. However there
is the saying that a rising tide lifts all boats, secondary gains are in the
wind for all developers, the secret is to get the State to hold the bag when
something goes south.Yes people may want to leave Silicon Valley for
other economic climates, but many are not keen on our version of winter with
inversions. Other states can formidably bid for Silicon Valley emigrants as
well. This project should be a state-wide referendum, as there is
significant money involved, and I think a tax to be levied in some form to
finance, rather "invest", in this scheme to move the prison and develop
the site.IMO Rebuild the prison on site over a longer time to
minimize disruption and permit new technologies in prison management to be
realistically incorporated into the mix.I remember the proposed
Triad Center, we could put these drawings with them in our scrap book, pun
Watch your wallet. Taxpayers will get screwed and our realtor-controlled
Legislature will get the profits. Only now are the truths about the charter
schools profiting by lawmakers being revealed! Conflicts of interest mean
nothing to good ole boys.
Oh please! A little city is going to arise on the prison site. And just look
how pretty it is, with those buildings and green trees. But what happened to
the ugly point-of-the-mountain gravel pit? It's conveniently covered up by
some fresh snowfall. It's June in the little fantasy city and December up
behind on the gravel pit.I have been traveling to the prison to work
once a month for the past 20 years. It is the windiest, dustiest place in the
valley. Dont wash your car before you got there. And it is not level,
anywhere. I'm not opposed to moving the prison somewhere else,
but I am offended by this pie in the sky concept of what will take its place. A
far more realistic vision of this site is that it will be covered by more
supplement companies, car dealers, and storage shed developments. Draper City
could have saved the money spent on this fantasy.
If they do move the prison, which I do not support, then the land ought to be
turned into a very large multi-use park. There are several ponds on the site
that are from warm springs. My Dad used to swim in them many years ago.We should start an initiative to get on the ballot and change the law
specifically stating that any sitting member of the state government
(legislature members, governor or his minions, employee) at the time the
approval was given to move the prison and develop the land, cannot in any way
benefit from this transfer. And if such a benefit is realized by any of them,
in any way, then there are severe criminal and civil penalties for such benefit.
They could go and inhabit their new prison. This would include any blind
ownership, stock options, stock, or anything else in any company/entity involved
in such a development/transfer. That would include construction, consulting,
May I suggest moving the prison towards the Tooele vicinity. Perhaps somewhere
oputside of the Tooele Army Depot. It would still remain close to Salt Lake for
court hearings, etc. and it would be a boon for the Tooele valley economy.
The prison relocation supporters ignore reality and push an artists depiction of
a massive development similar to downtown SLC. Reality is that most of the
prison is structurely sound and many of the building have thirty years of useful
life. The cost multipliers of litigation,providing adequate water,epa,osha, cost
overruns which are real and could make this adventure a financial boondoggle of
mammoth proportions don't seem to carry any weight.The development would
further strain the water shortage,increase air pollution which is a key factor
in bringing companies to Utah. The location is good for families to access
prisoners, for guards and other staff and for rehabilitation to take place. It
is also the people of Utah's prison and they should have a voice perhaps a
referendum.It has taken SLC over century to have the buildings and development
Our Wasatch Front Valley airshed has exceeded its natural carrying capacity
making grandpas/ grandmas, moms/dads, children, employees and tourists sick.Moving the prison, increasing speed limits to 85, expanding roads,
expanding the SLC airport will make our air even dirtier/sicker destroying the
quality of life of existing the Wasatch Front residents.Wasatch
Front air is too sick now, because of poor planning of road and water projects
on the wrong land.That we have created the dirtiest air in the
highest birthing area of the nation is just plain stupid. 2 of 50 newborns are
neurologically impaired (dirty air). Mass transit will not fix dirty air.What is the point of a deluxe education, school buses/rooms with
cameras, super modern buildings, and ipad students? Mothers now pull their
children from schools to literally save their lives because dirty air caused by
unnatural over development is unhealthy.Kennecott wants to add
500,000 people at its Day Break development. SLC wants hundreds of more jets in
the valley. Draper wants 700 acres of silcon high rises. Snowbird wants 3,000
housing units. All want more from a bowl which can’t take more
development. No more development in Wasatch Bowl. Grow elsewhere.
+1 for Silicon slopes! Unlike some, I want Utah's economy to grow.Businesses move every day. Yes, people are impacted. That's life. More
people are impacted every day by leaving this economic anchor where it is.
Personally, I've wanted for years for a move to Tooele County, outside the
most populous areas. Isolation is more secure, safer, and an effective reminder
for correctional behavior.This isn't complicated.
The prison is in a perfect spot now. The warm springs can be used to help heat
the prison and reduce cost of utilities. People can easily visit those who are
in prison and do so now. Workers have easy access to the job as well as
deliveries and work programs. Do we really need more concentrated housing that
discourages raising families? I agree that if you want to build more businesses
that you look toward Tooele that has lots of land, fast access to the airport,
area to build homes and shopping.
Yes, and there's some valuable property twenty miles West of Milford.
There's lots of water, and you should see the verdant meadows!
Got a wonderful idea! The article says that this is being pushed by the City of
Draper and they say that it would be a great economic boon. Since they're
the ones proposing the idea, let's have them use their money to relocate
the prison and they can pay all the added operating costs once it's
relocated. Then have them pay to bus the workers and provide free shuttles so
that families can visit their incarcerated relatives at no added expense. Leave
all State money out of it and see how far it goes.Fact is, this
proposal is a pipe dream and the development will never happen--at least to the
point that it makes economic or social sense.
Why don't we do what Portugal did and their prison population dropped by
70%. Drug prisoners are not a risk to society, mostly just a risk to
themselves. If we emptied 70% of the prison population there might be
money to do a lot of improvements to Utah that right now are wasted on punishing
citizens for what they do to themselves. And of course there is always our
constitution that plainly says: Equality under all laws, which the
"Controlled Substance Acts" plainly violates, drug laws are not just or
fair. So by honoring our Constitution we will save billions of dollars and stop
punishing citizens for making a personal choice that society does not like. Do doctors make you take medicine or is that your choice? Is alcohol a
drug? It happens to be the only powerful drug of choice we legally have without
written permission from our drug master; doctors and their monopoly. Equal under all laws will bring "loving thy neighbor as thyself" to
status quo operations. What government is actually supposed to do. Forcing
our wants or needs on another citizen is unconstitutional and selfish in nature.
Prohibition does not work, it creates criminal enterprise.
Yeah this is what Utah needs... A huge city in draper - which is already too
big. The roads are already too crowded, you can't get anywhere in Utah or
Salt Lake county, even in the middle of the day. This is a poor idea. Since when
do we think we have to develop and redevelop every piece of open land. Why not
move the prison and leave the land alone? Would it really kill Utah to leave
some open spaces instead of just filling them up with development?
If they're going to move the prison, they better sell that land for as much
as they can to offset the cost of building a new prison somewhere else. Not
thrilled about using the taxes I pay to build a new one when I'm fine with
where it's at.
Draper residents anger me so much. They move next to a prison and complain
about having to live next to it. Remember when they refused to let a DI into
their city. They said they didn't want that kind of element in the city.
My friend lives here and he got a petition to block a Christian church trying to
build there. Maybe as a state we should all get together and tell the residents
of Draper to shut up or move to a gated community where they can have absolute
so, is the plan to widen I-15 by 3 or 4 more lanes?if the prison
were to relocate, i would be in favor of turning this area completely into
non-commercial parks and recreation - with *perhaps* a musical golf course
thrown in...open spacejust my $.02
Who is pushing this so hard? It feels like it is being driven by money,
developers and those who stand to benefit while the average Utah citizen is
stuck paying for it for 30+ years.It is certainly not being pushed
by the average taxpayer, workers at the prison, prisoner's families, clergy
and social workers who volunteer at the prison, or by anyone not driven by
self-interest.Let's look into who stands to benefit
economically. You'll likely find the source of push for this. They are
thinking of yachts, mansions in Park City and Hawaii, and a big fat paycheck.
The only way to stop the business politicians from treating the general
population as cattle is to remove business from government. We already have
more business development than we need. The only people who will benefit by
bringing more business is the controlling business and their politician
brothering. If they bring new jobs, more people will come also.
More people will not be a benefit to the people in the here and now. More
people will need more government, more police and more control over the general
population. And it is likely that the more people will be low paid workers from
foreign nations, resulting in a lowering of the American standard of living that
we now enjoy. The law permits the businessmen to take advantage of
the ordinary people because it is businessmen who make the laws. Not all
businessmen are bad apples, but there is enough to spoil everybody in this
I wonder how many people are employeed at the prison, between the guards,
custodians, social workers, medical, administrators, plumbers, grounds people,
electricians, engineers, transport people, etc?I wonder how many people
visit weekly, including families, attorneys, teachers and volunteers, and
others? The Point of the Mountain is famous for its terrible winds and
blowing dust. I have to wonder who would choose to shop there, over places with
more comfortable weather?I sure wouldn't.I bet that if citizens
insisted that the area be developed as a park and wildlife habitat, the idea of
moving the prison would be dropped like a hot potato.This is all about the
money to be made from development.It isn't about the people who work
there, or the prisoners or their families, or law enforcement or saving money or
time or convenience.
NO NO NO NO NO NO - Moving the prison would be bad for the prisoners, visitors,
employees and volunteers. This move is all about making billions for a few,
while making the state osf Utah bear the costs. We cannot afford to line the
pockets of a few at a huge cost for the many.
The legislators act like they care about air quality and then (for their own
wallets) decide to move the prison. Makes no sense.Also, why is
Draper coming up with these ideas, it's the State's land and the State
will decide what will be done with the land. Draper won't (shouldn't)
have any say in the matter.
All this condemnation of our dishonest legislature, and who are you going to
vote for next time? Yeah, thats what I thought. If you wont vote to change
anything, youve got no right to complain. And saying all politicians are corrupt
is a cop out. If you know you will be elected no matter what, there is no need
to do anything except what puts money in your pocket.
A developers dream and lobbyists flu employment.
It should stay exactly where it is. #keepitindraper #renovatedontrelocate