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BYU basketball: Cougars knock off No. 25 Gonzaga, revive NCAA tournament at-large hopes

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  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 10:12 p.m.

    Come on Cougars. Let's do this!

  • 93 COUGAR Orem, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:15 p.m.

    And that my friends is how you beat a ranked team! Nice close out. Winder is player of the game!

    Nice job Cougars! Still some hopes of going dancing!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:15 p.m.

    After a dominating win, BYU leaves no doubt, that in basketball. they are University of Utah.

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:16 p.m.

    Great to see the Marriott Center rocking! The Roc is doing some great things this year. Nothing like packing in 20,000+ to see us take down a ranked team!

    Go Cougs!

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:17 p.m.

    Good win Cougs! I'm proud of ya. Player of the game Anson Winder 17 points and (more importantly and impressively) 10-10 on the free throw line.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:21 p.m.

    They did it. They did it. First win over a ranked team in 2 years. Good win.

  • Funny/witty screen name Orem, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:23 p.m.

    Well done cougs!! That's the second best win in the state this year... The other one? BYU beating Texas. By far the best team in the state!! They played great d and tons of offensive rebounds. Big contributions from bench players. When we win out the rest of our games and make it, hopefully to the championship game in the wcc, we will be in the big dance. Good job boys, you made us proud!! Keep it up!
    Go Cougs!!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:25 p.m.

    Gonzaga didn't play like a ranked team. They will go 1 and out in the NCAA's.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:27 p.m.

    Nice win by the Cougars tonight. Winder was HUGE and was the X factor in this win - 10 for 10 from the line he was awesome. Dave Rose gets an A+ for sitting Mika at the beginning of each half. By far the best defense this team has played all year. Solid game start to finish by the entire team.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:31 p.m.

    Big win for BYU over the conference leading, Top 25 Bulldogs!

  • NorCalCougarFan&Alum Elk Grove, CA
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:34 p.m.

    Great win by the Cougars. This win keeps our hopes up for an at-large bid at the Big Dance. I just wish the BYU men's team would at with this sense of urgency on a regular basis.

  • Copacetic Richfield, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:34 p.m.

    At least there is one team in the state who can still beat a ranked team.

    Now we know for sure who the premier college basketball team is in the state of Utah. And the only one likely to go to the NCAA tournament this year.

    Utah's win over them earlier this season now appears to be a fluke. Utah won the early season battle. But BYU is winning the season-long war. That undoubtedly counts the most.

  • TandJ LaVerkin, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:43 p.m.

    Winder is a winner and definitely a keeper. Way to go Winder.

  • Cougar Blue 1 Henderson , NV
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:54 p.m.

    Definitely an all around team win! Will send a post card from the NCAA tourney to all the ute fans.

  • BlackDiamond Provo, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:57 p.m.

    I was there. That was a good win. Go Cougars!

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 12:08 a.m.

    Both u and BYU host top 25 teams. Great to see good teams come to the state. We all know each team fared. Nuf said.

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 12:18 a.m.

    Points from unlikely sources tonight. It is great to have so much talent on one team. BYU is a fairly young so the future looks very bright, plus they have several yearsof top recruits in the pipeline. It's a great time to be a Coug.

  • Alpiner Alpine, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 1:01 a.m.

    Good to see the coaches do what several have suggested in the last few weeks. Start Winder. Get more even scoring. Take out Collinsworth in the last 2 minutes of the game so he won't miss free throws.

    Being at the game I did notice that they could have done a few more simple give and go plays with Haws. They were there while the triple screen stuff wasn't. There were at least three times Haws was wide open right after he passed off and the guards didn't get it back to him.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 4:18 a.m.

    Nice win.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2014 6:05 a.m.

    ESPN has BYU back in the tourney this morning as one of the Last Four In. BYU's RPI is up to #37 and BYU's SOS is at #18.

    Interestingly, ESPN also has Weber St (Big Sky) and Utah Valley (WAC) in the tourney set to face each other in the First Round.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 6:13 a.m.

    That was a great game and a great win.

    The lineup changes are making a huge difference. Having Carlino AND Mika come off the bench has made the both of them settle down and play smarter.

    And Winder... all I can say is WOW and how about the rest of the team taking some serious free throw lessons from him?.

    Great job Coach and team!

    Go Cougars!

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 21, 2014 7:31 a.m.

    Why do some of you BYU fans have to bring Utah into this? All your doing is just baiting the trolls to come on here and then complain afterwards that they are all obsessive with all things BYU. If you seriously don't care about the Utes than don't bring them up. Let BYU enjoy their moment alone.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 21, 2014 7:36 a.m.

    Congratulations to BYU on a great, NCAA tournament resume-building win against Top 25 Gonzaga!

    Now, BYU just has to win their two remaining regular season games against Portland and San Diego, win a couple of games in the WCC tourney, and they'll be a lock for the Big Dance.

    Go Cougars!

  • cal cougar camarillo, CA
    Feb. 21, 2014 7:47 a.m.

    Probably the most pleased to see them guard the three, their Achilles heel all season. Just wish that could have happened sooner and we would have won more and be ranked. Hopefully, this defense does not disappear in future games. Defense gets wins in road games.

  • Ute Zag everett, WA
    Feb. 21, 2014 7:57 a.m.

    Nice win for the Cougs. I hope it will be enough to get you in the tourney. I still don't understand why the cougars aren't better with Haws who is one of the best scorers in all of college. Things that make you go hum?

  • TheFork Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 7:58 a.m.

    RE ekute "Gonzaga didn't play like a ranked team." I totally agree, that what great coaching and defense does to even great teams.

  • TheFork Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    An added plus for this great win is that it took the air out of many of the BYU haters. It is nice to see mostly very positive comments.

  • Hawk Littleton, CO
    Feb. 21, 2014 8:07 a.m.

    So, But Seriously Folks, by "Points from unlikely sources tonight" do you mean "sources not named Chris B, Ernest T. Bass, StGtoSLC, or any of the other BYU-lurking, ute/PAC regulars"? Yeah, I noticed that too. Strangely absent. A little surprised and disappointed that they haven't chimed in to offer their typical congratulatory support after a great win.

    Brilliant win last night. Just adds emphasis that you can preserve a lead and close out games if you can hit free throws down the stretch -- something in which the Cougs have not been very proficient this year. Great team effort.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 21, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    Wins over San Francisco, Saint Marys, Gonzaga, Texas, Stanford, and close losses to Wichita State, & eye poking Iowa State.

    It's been a good year with more to come.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    MVP Aunson Winder and great move on Dave Rose puting Winder and Sharp starter just to limit Mika from getting early sill foul calls or nickie pickie zebras. Those refs did better this time around. Good game Cougars!

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    @ Crow:

    There were actually 2 top-25 teams that came into the state this week. It's Ok for you to give a little more credit to Arizona and not get so down on them. Just because they let Utah take them into OT, they are still pretty much considered a ranked team.

    So now that BYU beat the best of WCC, does that make them no good in your mind? Does that also mean to you that the Big 12 is no good since BYU also beat them?

    As a reminder to those so obviously blinded by red glasses, BYU also beat Stanford (a team universally considered better than Utah) at Stanford. Per your reasoning, that must mean the PAC12 is also over-ranked and over-rated.

    Thanks for starting my day with a good laugh. A little less bias would allow you to receive a bit more credibility. Unfortunately, you lost some with that latest comment.

    Better college basketball has not been seen in the state of Utah this season than what we witnessed in Provo last night. Too bad you and ekute weren't actually able to see that game.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Feb. 21, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    Nice game Cougars. Winder was great!

    Wow @Crow, your post was hyperbole at its best, and obsessive spin at its worst. To claim that Utah's affiliation with the PAC is the only thing that brings "real basketball.." to the state is just over-the-top nonsense. It is amusing to see a large segment of the ute fan base so enamored with their conference, and bragging on it, whilst being intentionally oblivious to the fact that their own program does little or nothing to bolster that supposed "prestigious" PAC12 reputation.

    The WCC does have good basketball programs. Since they don't have football and various other sports they can focus money and resources more on basketball. The result is a better product than you would be willing to acknowledge.

    So spin it all you want. The fact is U are jealous, and obsessed; and it is hilarious.

  • morganh Orem, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    Great win Cougars!! It is nice to see the positive comments and the silence from the trolls. Keep it up and we will have our dance card punched.

  • BlackDiamond Provo, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 9:15 a.m.

    @Crow
    Average Conference? Conzaga has gone to the ncaa tourney more than utah have wins this season. Go cougars!

  • Snark Provo, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 9:31 a.m.

    Coach Rose has done a great job this year making the adjustments needed to continually improve. We are very fortunate to have such a classy guy at the helm!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2014 9:37 a.m.

    Byu takes down a very very good top 25 team. Congrats Cougs. Still stinging over the Dukies loss to Unc ugh. Gonzaga could easily compete in the Pac easy. Zona is overrated. Keep the momentum now Cougs.

  • cougs108 South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 9:38 a.m.

    Dave Rose was a genius last night. Putting in other players in the beginning of the game to concentrate on defense was a brilliant move. We were able to totally shut down their 3 point shooting and drives to the basket. Alternating big men underneath and the timing of this was awesome. Way to out coach and out strategies the zags! A huge win in an awesome arena with the great fans also was a huge plus. Beat Portland!

  • lixircat Indianapolis, IN
    Feb. 21, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    I am a die hard BYU fan and I was excited to see them hang on last night (at ~1AM Eastern time).
    But guys, let's give the whole "at least one of us can beat a ranked team" thing a rest. Gonzaga is not Arizona. Not even close.

    Great move by Rose.
    Good luck in the tourney!

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Feb. 21, 2014 9:54 a.m.

    ekute

    "Gonzaga didn't play like a ranked team."

    Neither did UCLA when they lost to the Utes last month, but unlike U, BYU, Gonzaga, and UCLA will all likely be dancing in March.

  • MurrayMike Murray, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 9:58 a.m.

    Notice that a certain person hasn't posted on this thread? Still hurting from his teams loss? Think Rose has found a good rotation, now don't mess with it. I see us going to the conference tournament championship game now.....

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    Feb. 21, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    Finally--someone (Winder) goes to the line and knocks down free throws. I think Rose's keeping Mika on the bench to start the game was less about "defense" and more about letting the refs get those first couple of foul calls out of their system. Whether BYU wins or loses, the WCC has the most inconsistent reffing I've ever seen, not from one game to the next but from one ~possession~ to the next.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 21, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    I wish people would quit bringing Utah into this thread. It was a great win but BYU has done nothing to prove they are the best basketball team in the state, especially after they lost decisively to the Utes earlier in the year. BYU has a better shot at the tournament than Utah at going to he tournament by virtue of being in the second best team in the WCC.
    So please, as a BYU fan I implore you (and you know who I am talking about) to quit touting the cougars as better than Utah this year because your argument is desparate and weak.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 21, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    Congrats on the nice win. That was very big for your program. It most likely revived your NCAA bid.

    Kudos

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 10:51 a.m.

    I'm worried about our favorite hater with 10 alias'. Is anyone sure she's OK? We should have seen the declaration by now that the last 2 nights in the state of Utah don't mean anything in the big picture. I'm hoping she didn't get trampled when the MUSS stormed the court Wednesday. Oh, wait.

    I'm guessing more than a few of our crimson friends wish Winder played for the Utes because he can hit free throws in the clutch with the game on the line.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    TFUDD,
    Of the 17 wins u has 10 were against teams below 300 or so and all at home. Had u played a normal preseason schedule they would be sitting at 1bout 12 wins, at best

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 11:37 a.m.

    TFUDD

    Utah was fortunate to catch BYU in the HC on a night that Loveridge couldn't miss in the 1st half; the way that Jordan has been playing lately, the Utes would get destroyed in a return visit to the Marriott Center where Utah hasn't beaten BYU since 2005.

    Let's not forget that the Utes couldn't even beat #181 WSU on the road.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Feb. 21, 2014 11:41 a.m.

    I don't like it that so many people are mentioning Utah either; but for those who question why some of us believe BYU is the best team in the state, here's some logic.

    Yes, Utah beat BYU. However, that was during a stretch in December-early January when BYU was not playing well. It was also on Utah's home floor. Utah is MUCH better at home than on the road. Most teams are, but for Utah the differences are pretty extreme. I believe, and I'm sure many will agree, that if the game had been played on a neutral floor, BYU would win. Add in the fact that BYU has better RPI and played a much tougher out of conference schedule? In which they beat a few good teams on the road and played tough with others, including the only undefeated remaining in the nation? Yes, I believe BYU is the better team. And, no, the better team doesn't always win (see BYU @ Utah).

    I believe Gonzaga is a better team than BYU. But last night BYU had the home floor advantage and won. Thank you Winder for hitting some free throws!

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    From our funniest red goggled apologist yesterday: "I'll take a 90% free throw shooter who misses 4 in a row in a big game than a guy who...shoots 65% all day long!"

    Even though I know she was talking about Collinsworth I'm guessing she might want to revise that statement after 65% Winder goes 10 for 10 from the line and hits every clutch free throw necessary to preserve the win when it mattered most.

    Bazinga

  • Ken Lee Pasadena, CA
    Feb. 21, 2014 11:55 a.m.

    oh please…who is the best team in the State in basketball can be determined by the power index calculations…this is no question. Any team can have a good game or a bad game on a given night. But all this is built into the equation on these ranking systems. There is no tournament selection guru and no evaluation of any kind that has Utah playing as hard of a schedule or ranked as highly as the Cougs or any chance of being a bubble team. There is no question. And, with Utah State and Weber possibly going to the NCAA and now BYU likely to make it too….only one loser not in the discussion. Maybe Utah can just accenpt it's role as spoiler and never competitor in any sport. Cash the checks from the PAC12 and be quiet.

  • Serenity Now Highland, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 12:17 p.m.

    Would love to see more minutes for Winder and Bartley, and less scoring pressure for Haws and KC. Top players of the game were:

    Winder
    Mika
    Carlino

  • spudnut West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 12:41 p.m.

    No

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 21, 2014 12:43 p.m.

    It was good to see balanced scoring with several players in double figures. Haws didn't have to try to take over the game and score 30 in order to win. I'll take that box score any day, because it will give us a whole lot more W's than L's. Way to go Cougars!

  • The Moose Southern, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    I am a Ute fan but follow all in-state schools. I wish BYU wouldn't start acting like world beaters after one game. Most of the posts are the same, the game where BYU lost to Utah means nothing and the rankings mean everything. Well I'm sorry. Where I come from, you talk on the court. If you are so sure you can beat Utah again, then you should all be hoping that somehow they get matched up again. But I think you will find, just like in football, another chance will only bring sorrow.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Feb. 21, 2014 1:04 p.m.

    Why bash the Utes? They have an excellent team and beat us (BYU) soundly. Man up and give credit where credit is due. OK to enjoy the victory, but no need to demean other worthy opponents. If SOME Ute fans don't reciprocate, that is not our problem.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2014 1:17 p.m.

    That was a good win. I thought BYU would win by double digits. Gonzaga is as good as ASU/UCLA so they are beatable, specially at the MC (a tough place to win on the road).

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 1:18 p.m.

    Moose,
    BYU has proven several times in the last 13 games who is the better team. You might remember that they won 11 of those 13. I don't think thaqt BYU fans are feeling any sorrow for beating u 11 of the last 13 but nice try.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 1:25 p.m.

    Good one Moose. "world beaters"? No, just Gonzaga beaters, and only last night. So I guess where you come from UNC is better than Duke because they beat them last night, even though they're unranked and Duke is top 5?

    Someone with that mentality would think Utah football was better than Stanford football because of one game.

    Interesting world you come from!

    I'd dare wager that BYU would fare just fine in a rematch with the Utes either in the Marriott Center or on a neutral court.

  • William Wallace OGDEN, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 1:25 p.m.

    It's funny how Utah is being brought up so much on this board. I know Chris B. makes a lot of questionable comments, but now the same types of comments are being made. Celebrate your win without mentioning Utah and the things you dislike. I'm still a Ute fan, even though they dropped a close one to Arizona. I'll still cheer for them next game, without dragging BYU into the conversation. That was a good win against a classy coach(Few) and a great program. I think the 'Zags will be ok. Interesting that a fan(son of a friend) wearing a Gonzaga shirt, isn't allowed to sit with his friend in the BYU section. I've never heard of this ever. Threatened to be kicked out? Had to wear a jacket over it. He hadn't said a thing. Seriously? So you can't cheer for any other team? Anyone know why? Just wondering.

  • Alex T Murray, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 1:55 p.m.

    William Wallace.

    I am a student at BYU and was in the student section last night. I was right next to a Zags fan who was cheering the entire game decked out in his gear?? No one asked him to leave? So I'm unsure where you're getting this information. Maybe it was a bit exaggerated...because I can definitely see a "select" few students who would have been runnning their mouth at him the entire game.

    Security also checks for student passes every time you come in and out of your seat. So if this "son of a friend" is a student and had a student pass...he shouldn't have had any problems.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Feb. 21, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    Agreed about the Utah bashing. Personally, I'm tired of it. But this is a serious rivalry, and we're still seeing 54-10 and 4 in a row from Ute fans.

    For me, I don't care what Utah does; I only care what BYU does, and I was happy to see such a great game last night.

    Hope the kids learned something about perimeter defense that will serve them well in the next game.

  • le miye Pine Ridge, SD
    Feb. 21, 2014 2:19 p.m.

    Great game and great win!! Man i thought Austin blocked that monster swat and it was Sharp, wheww! Go Cougs!!

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 2:25 p.m.

    Thanks for first hand information Alex T. Kinda shoots that made up theory of "son of a friend" out of the water. If a valid ticket holding "student" is sitting in the home team's "student section" wearing the opposing team's advertisements they deserve to be uncomfortable in the first place. That would be like a Utah student sitting in the muss wearing BYU gear. Tell me that wouldn't go over like a lead balloon.

    Any other rightfully purchased seat outside of the student section, wear whoever's gear you want.

    I think the "son of a friend" story is made up.

  • bigirish OREM, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    I wonder if someone went back and researched Collinsworth's record with free throws when he was in high school and winning the state championship, if he was as bad then as he is now. It doesn't pay for him to shoot around the basket because if he gets fouled, he's not going to make them. And if he takes outside shots, he's not much better. He has to make his shots so he get at least an "and one", not two. He's good enough at the point and rebounding. Is he worse at the line right now then he was earlier in the season? Some good research for somebody to do. Maybe he's just too green from a mission return. But it's not only him at the line, but a lot of others suck too. That's not BYU's tradition. Loved Winder's confidence and ability at the line against Gonzaga. There are a lot of games I think we would have won with better free throw shooting...and who is that on? Keep it up Cougs! Great win!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 21, 2014 4:25 p.m.

    Congrats to BYU on a good win!

  • mfranks North Bend, WA
    Feb. 21, 2014 5:52 p.m.

    Congrats to BYU!

    I'm a Ute - always have been since my dad started taking me to games nearly 50 years ago...

    I still don't understand all the animosity between parties when we are NOT playing one another. We should like the other team to go undefeated in all sports, except when they play our team - whether you are a BYU fan or a Utah fan. That way the win means that much more - don't you think? Save all the hate and get real!

    Again, Congratulations to BYU for a great win!

  • William Wallace OGDEN, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 6:15 p.m.

    Nope, Christine, true story. His friend goes to BYU, this kid has liked Gonzaga for a long time, and went down for the game. His friend must have got the ticket for him, but he was told he couldn't have that shirt on. Every game I watch on TV will show people sitting with the home team fans, and they're wearing opponent colors and gear. Not a big deal, just wondering why it happened. Thanks Alex T. for the response. Go Utes! Go Aggies! Go Wildcats!

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 6:54 p.m.

    well noose if you are the expert about utah sports as you say then you would know that Utah has only beaten BYU 3 times over the last 15 games and have not won in Provo since 2005 besides this article haws nothing to do with utah it is a byu thread,if you like to talk mack go to the utes thread and talk smack all u u want but this is not the thread to do it on.

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 7:04 p.m.

    William Wallace
    OGDEN, UT
    It's funny how Utah is being brought up so much on this board. I know Chris B. makes a lot of questionable comments, but now the same types of comments are being made. Celebrate your win without mentioning Utah and the things you dislike. I'm still a Ute fan, even though they dropped a close one to Arizona. I'll still cheer for them next game, without dragging BYU into the conversation. That was a good win against a classy coach(Few) and a great program. I think the 'Zags will be ok. Interesting that a fan(son of a friend) wearing a Gonzaga shirt, isn't allowed to sit with his friend in the BYU section. I've never heard of this ever. Threatened to be kicked out? Had to wear a jacket over it. He hadn't said a thing. Seriously? So you can't cheer for any other team? Anyone know why? Just wondering.what do you think would happen if a person wearing a byu shirt was to sit in the student section of the U do you think that person would be allowed to sit there NOT

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 8:58 p.m.

    Congratulations to the Cougars on a great win. I hope you make it to the dance. No chance for my Ags to make it, but I can root for the Cougars against anyone else. Coach Rose did a fine job. Again congratulations and best of luck in making the tournament.

  • Cougar Blue 1 Henderson , NV
    Feb. 21, 2014 9:13 p.m.

    For those if you who whined about bringing up Utah in our posts... The only reason we did this was because of all the trash talking they did on the articles leading up to this game. If you noticed what we said it was all in good fun, at least what I said in my post in the beginning of this article. Everyone needs to lighten up.