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Utah basketball: Utes battle hard but ultimately fall to No. 4 Arizona in overtime

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  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 9:09 p.m.

    Once again Loveridge disappearing in a big game; 12 points TOTAL from Utah's starters in the 1st half isn't going to get it done against a Top 5 team.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 9:11 p.m.

    Not looking good for the utes. Go Wildcats.

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 9:18 p.m.

    Lets be honest, we got a good call from the refs on disallowing that three by Arizona at the buzzer. Looked too close to overturn to me but glad they did!

    Lets get this win and storm the court!

    Beating top 5 and national powerhouse Arizona at our place as conference rivals would be amazing. This PAC 12 thing just doesn't get old.

    Go utes! Hope to see you all on the court here shortly!

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 9:21 p.m.

    Worf,

    You going to disappear after Utah wins?

    Or say the refs gave it to us?

    Or say it was from Arizona injuries?

    Which one? Or all 3?

    Utes about to beat Arizona.

    I love my PAC 12 membership!

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Feb. 19, 2014 9:29 p.m.

    Worf

    Apparently with Independence and the WCC, BYU doesn't fit either.

  • KVN/Hoff want 0-4 against UTAH Ogden, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 9:34 p.m.

    Ufan(byu fan)

    Scoring more points against top 5 Arizona WILL get it done!

    Storming the court in 10 minutes....

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 9:38 p.m.

    Utah doesn't blend well?

    With teams like pacific community, Portland dental, and Lola Mary byu DOES blend well in your conference.

    Get the excuses ready for why Utah beat big time Arizona in a big time PAC 12 confected game.

    And with this win Utah is IN the dance projections.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 9:38 p.m.

    After this win, the team with the best chance to dance in Utah..

    The prestigious PAC 12 runnin utes!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 9:44 p.m.

    Where was this aggressiveness in the first half? Having Gordon out of the game now should open things up for Utah offensively. Doing a much better job this half in limiting Zona's transition buckets. Finish the comeback and win!

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 9:49 p.m.

    Looks like a welcome back to reality Utes. Utes not quite ready for the elite of the PAC +2. But neither are the Ags as shown in last nights game against SDSU. Does the WCC have an elite team? Oh yeah, about forgot about Gonzaga. We will see if the Y is ready for them.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 9:53 p.m.

    Rebounding numbers look great so far, but start making free throws, Utes!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 9:58 p.m.

    Fitting that Love's first points would be the ones that take the lead late in the game. Finish the Cats off!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:04 p.m.

    Cougotutenah,

    Back to reality?

    Yep! And that reality is the prestigious running utes are BACK!

    Minute away from one of biggest wins in program history!

    I love my PAC 12 membership!

  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:27 p.m.

    So many mistakes down the stretch.

    FREE THROWS!!!!!!!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:34 p.m.

    Taking top 5 powerhouse to Arizona is not a moral victory.

    But it gives a ton if hope for this program

    Proud ute

    Proud PAC 12 member.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:35 p.m.

    "...the prestigious run[down] utes are BACK..."

    to choking away close games to secure another moral victory.

    LOL!

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:35 p.m.

    Not going to happen Ch....B

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:36 p.m.

    Yet another coulda, shoulda, woulda.

    Gotta love that prestige.

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:36 p.m.

    Same old, same old.

    Too many costly mistakes. Just can't get it done.

    Many disappointed Ute fans tonight.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:37 p.m.

    Team's been so good at free throws all year, but lost solely on them tonight. Bounce back on Saturday.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:39 p.m.

    *Sunday.

  • The Anti Chris Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:39 p.m.

    CB,
    What win was that you were talking about?

    Like I have been sayign all year long the pac is way over rated. Arizona may have started the season strong but are now just an average team. They will most likely drop in the polls after barely beating a sub 100 team in utah.

  • LiberalJimmy Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:39 p.m.

    @Worf...Please continue posting comments that show how absolutely little you know about anything. Especially Ute sports. One possession away from another NCAA Championship. Don't believe. Ask Scott Padgett.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:40 p.m.

    Nice try utes but a win is a win. Arizona is waaaaaaaaay over rated will looked like a very average team.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:41 p.m.

    CLASSY comments from nick Johnson of Arizona. He talked about how we gave them all they could handle and how lucky they were to win and how much better Utah is the last couple years. Evn praises the fans here.

    That is what I love about the PAC 12.

    12 classy institutions that all respect each other.

    I support all PAC 12 programs. And they respect us.

    Great to be part of such a classy conference.

  • Ute buster Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:41 p.m.

    Way to go Cats. Utah drops in the pac standings

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:42 p.m.

    Chris if you think beating AZ would have been the biggest win in program history, you must have only been following the utes for about 10 years. They have had MUCH bigger wins.

    Wins where they actually win.

  • Utah rules Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:43 p.m.

    Nice game utes. Not sure what happened...........to Az. they looked pretty bad tonight and Utah didn't look much better. Loveridge is becoming a huge disapointment.

  • Funny/witty screen name Orem, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:43 p.m.

    That was the biggest win in ute history?? Too bad...
    But on a serious note, Utah played a good game. I can see them going 50% from here and maybe winning a game or two in the pac tourney.

  • azreader1 tucson, AZ
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:48 p.m.

    Thanks Arizona. Nick Johnson rules!

  • LiberalJimmy Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:48 p.m.

    *****Thanks once again Chris B. Possibly next time you'll finally give it a rest until the outcome? On second thought I realize you're Chris B. so we all know that won't happen!

  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:48 p.m.

    Wow, Taylor and Loverage at the line and D Wrights terrible turnover lost this game. Unbelievable!

    So many unacceptable mistakes. Coach K needs to recruit a big man that can actually play at both ends of the court.

    Although still optimistic about this young teams future, there is no moral victory here tonight. Sorry fellow Utes, but this is one Ute fan that is extremely disappointed in the performance in OT.

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:49 p.m.

    Loveridge - 7 points on 1 for 12 shooting; thanks for showing up big guy!

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:47 p.m.

    SO Crissy,
    It seems like you are the one that needs top get the excuse box out. Thanks for the early prediction again. You are the best predictor of what will NOT be. I need to head to Vegas with your predictions and a wad of cash.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 11:00 p.m.

    "I need to head to Vegas with your predictions and a wad of cash."

    Don't bother; Vegas was spot on with the Utes a 4-point dog at home.

    Christy was spot on with her declaration of another moral victory.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 11:00 p.m.

    "Utah drops in the pac standings"

    Yeah. All the way from 7 to... 7! Good job in the research department there.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 11:05 p.m.

    Did anyone really expect anything different. We are talking the utes here.

  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 11:06 p.m.

    HAHAHA @ all these byu fans. You all live in a FANTASY land! Or utah county...

    Have you already forgotten that this Ute team that just took "overrated" Arizona to OT destroyed your cougs by 17 already this year?

    Your jealousy of wishing you could trade places with the U is so apparent in these threads.

    Have fun playing those JV squads in their high school gyms!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 19, 2014 11:13 p.m.

    All of a sudden the NIT has become very important, but if you can't win half your conference games, it'll be March Saddness.

  • Dibs Alpine, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 11:34 p.m.

    I'm a die hard Cougar fan but have to say how good the Utes are doing. They had a shot tonight and are having a great season. It is understandable why Loveridge struggled, they key on him and he is still young. We will take him at BYU if you Ute fans are that disgusted with him. I'm crossing my fingers the Jazz will hire coach K for next year. I'd like to see the Utes struggle to find someone as good.

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 11:45 p.m.

    This all but guarantees the uties will be a lock for a number one seed in the moral victory tournament. How huge was this moral victory?

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 11:55 p.m.

    Great crowd and atmosphere tonight. Sloppy game but hard fought by both teams. Pac 12 officiating is pretty bad, but free throw shooting and poor play by Loveridge were the Utes undoing.

    Hope to see more of Onwas and Fields. The offense looked much better with drives to the basket and more movement.

    Love the Utes, the PAC 12 affiliation, and the fun I'm having at every home football and basketball game. My measure of success is based on the quality of kids on the field/court and how hard they are working to succeed. These kids represent themselves and the university well and are building a positive culture. Coach K. said they are going to do things the right way and they are.

    Go Utes!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 12:16 a.m.

    Wright... huge turnover in OT.
    Taylor ... huge missed free throws in OT (86% FT shooter goes 1-5 in OT).
    Loveridge .... MIA all game, missed critical FT to take the lead in regulation.

    Great game regardless, way to fight back in the 2nd half.

    Go UTES!

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Feb. 20, 2014 12:18 a.m.

    Chris B

    LOL....In addition to my southern California top-tier PAC-12 membership, I love how often your predictions fail. Gee whiz, even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

    Here's one for you: Utah will NOT win a PAC-12 championship in football or basketball in my life time. Mark it down!

    Be proud of the PAC-12 affiliation; sadly, that is the only consolation you will have.

    Go Bruins! 80-66

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Feb. 20, 2014 4:52 a.m.

    Always the bridemaid, never the bride.

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    Feb. 20, 2014 6:47 a.m.

    I am one BYU fan who is impressed with what the Utes have accomplished this year. Not a big fan of the "moral victory" but I do recognize drastic improvement and that is what the Utes have shown this year. Coach K has brought back respectability to the team and the annual game going forward against BYU will be as exciting as it gets. Good luck in the PAC-12 tourney, continued progress will put a lot of pressure on any team the Utes face.

  • Hawk Littleton, CO
    Feb. 20, 2014 7:15 a.m.

    Missed the game, but I was impressed to see the utes took them to overtime. Didn't realize A. Gordon was out -- the moral victory just lost some of it's luster. But the utes are definitely showing improvement.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Feb. 20, 2014 7:31 a.m.

    Utah played a great game and battled back.
    The Utes are a great team at home hopefully they can figure it out on the road.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 7:54 a.m.

    Not sure what more Arizona could have done to hand it to the Utes. They gift wrapped it with a nice Christmas bow - only to see a nearly 90% free throw shooter literally brick 4 in a row? Unbelievable. I don't know what's more embarrassing out of such a prestigious conference, missing 4FT in a row, at home, in the clutch, or Delon Wright launching a perfect spiral over wide open Bachynski's head into the 4th row of the Huntsman Center. (With honorable mention going to Jordan Loveridge for laying nearly a perfect egg.)

    Maybe the silver lining in the latest moral victory is Kyle Whittingham solving his annual QB dilemma. Word is he was signing Wright up after the game to walk on. That was a pretty pass into the endzone, even if it was 5 yards from the nearest Ute receiver.

  • just a nobody murray, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    Two things. 1. If Brekkot Chapman and Kyle Kuzma are any where near as good as we are being lead to believe they are, Loveridge is a role player at best for the next two years. 2. If BOTH those guys can't beat Loveridge out we don't need either one of them either. Go Gonzaga!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 8:10 a.m.

    Hawk, Gordon wasn't out. He fouled out of the game and was rendered ineffective from good defensive pressure on him. Your analysis just lost some of its luster.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 20, 2014 8:11 a.m.

    @Uteology

    Spot on Brother. All things considered, I'm pretty cool with this team. An NIT bid would be fine, considering where the program was 2 years ago. This game, the WSU (at) and Oregon game really have moved his team from an NCAA bubble team to probably an NIT team.

    Ever notice how when Utah wins, all the usual Haters stay away. When they lose, they are quick to pile on. What a classy move indeed! I guess one must merely consider the source.

    Go Utes!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 8:14 a.m.

    worf
    Mcallen, TX

    Utes don't blend well with the PAC 12, and didn't with the MWC either.

    The Big Sky would be more compatible.

    ----------

    Utes blended well enough in the PAC-12 to get an invite.

    The only team that didn't blend well was BYU, who decided to jump down in competition without being invited to ANY league.

    FYI, in the MWC:

    Regular Season Titles: Utah has 7 (BYU 6)
    NCAA Tournament: 10-8, Sweet 16, and Final 4 (BYU 3-6 and Sweet 16).

  • CincyRed13 SLC, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 8:16 a.m.

    Spokane Ute,

    I hope you realize most Utah fans do the same thing. It's just poor sportsmanship from both schools. It's time to move on from these sort of things.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 8:23 a.m.

    @Christine B. Hedgefog

    Arizona could have rolled over and played dead like your team when they were down early in the game.

    Utah chocked no question about it. Our three best players "gave" the game away.

    The fact that we were still in the game speaks volumes for the team that Coach Krystkowiak is building.

  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    It's funny that not one Ute fan on here has said this was a moral victory, yet every coug on here claims it to be...

    Thanks cougs for caring so much!

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 20, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    Wow! Arizona is crashing hard. What happened? They used to be a good team.

  • That's A Good One Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    SpokaneUte: "Ever notice how when Utah wins, all the usual Haters stay away. When they lose, they are quick to pile on."

    Change the word "Utah" to "BYU" and your statement is still perfectly accurate. What's your point???

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Feb. 20, 2014 8:35 a.m.

    I'm a total BYU fan, but I'm impressed with how Utah has risen from the ashes of the last decade to play much better this season than I ever expected they would. Coach K is a good coach.

    That being said: Arizona is not the juggernaut everyone claims they are. There are many chinks in their armor, and I expect they will leave the March tourney early. But they are a good team and beating them anywhere and or taking them down to the wire is significant.

    I'm anxious for Chris B and his other personalities to declare that there is such thing as a good loss.

    The criterion requires that it be to a P12 team.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Feb. 20, 2014 8:36 a.m.

    @ Uteology
    I may be mistaken but Utah was still in the WAC when they were in the final four.
    Along with one of those conference titles. It was 6 in the mwc (I think)

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 8:49 a.m.

    Big Ute fan for over 40 years and it pains me to say that the little things that are all around them to win games can't be grabbed on to by this bunch. Is it coaching, players? In any case, they are who they are. A middle of the road team in the Pac 12 that can't win close games.

  • Y>U Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 20, 2014 9:13 a.m.

    Once again, Uteology is trying to rewrite history.

    Actual MWC records:

    BYU - 276-116(70.4%) overall, 126-54(70%) MWC, 3-8 NCAA, 6 MWC titles, 13-14 head-to-head
    Utah - 230-150(60.5%) overall, 104-76(57.8%) MWC, 4-6 NCAA, 5 MWC titles, 14-13 head-to-head

    During the Dave Rose era, of course, Utah completely tanked, thus proving that Utah's recent basketball history had absolutely NOTHING to do with Utah's invitation to the PAC 12.

    The Utes were destroyed in their only NCAA game played during the Dave Rose era.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 9:17 a.m.

    FT,
    Players. They're very young. This is going to be a very good team next year, the following year and for years to come. Go Utes!

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Feb. 20, 2014 9:23 a.m.

    Maligned BYU fans. I have noted that you have to be accused of piling on and deal with comments like "No Ute fan has called this loss a moral victory." Then I find the [DraperUteFan] comment:

    "Love the Utes, the PAC 12 affiliation, and the fun I'm having at every home football and basketball game. My measure of success is based on the quality of kids on the field/court and how hard they are working to succeed. These kids represent themselves and the university well .... Coach K. said they are going to do things the right way and they are."

    Granted the words "moral victory" are not used, but I don't know how anyone cannot see that this is a "lipstick on a pig" statement. It was a good effort, but as Chris B insists, it was a bad loss since all losses are bad.

    The Utes (now tied for 7th in league) may in future be able to hold this position or rise one or two places. But given the recruiting advantages of the coastal or southern most venues the U will have to produce without top-tier recruits. Good luck with that.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Feb. 20, 2014 9:26 a.m.

    "Chris B

    Salt Lake City, UT

    And with this win Utah is IN the dance projections."

    By "this win" I assume you're referring to the Pac 12 tournament?

    You silly child. Everytime Utah is about to win a big game you speak up. Seriously, Arizona St. in football comes to mind. Please stop.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 9:32 a.m.

    U>Y,

    No one said our recent basketball history had anything to do with our Pac 12 invite.

    We said our long history of basketball greatness and our multiple quests for perfection in football are the main reasons for our Pac 12 invite.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    Feb. 20, 2014 9:43 a.m.

    Tough loss Utes!!! But on the bright side I see where you are all ready lobbying to host NIT games should you get an invite!!! Chris B, glad to hear there is so much love and respect among the schools in the PAC12!!! Too bad you and other BYU haters cannot show the same respect to other schools and conferences!!! Coach K has my respect for the job he and his staff are doing in bringing Utah basketball back the same way Coach Rose did for BYU!!! Both schools are very lucky to have great men to lead and guide their programs!!! Good luck the rest of the way Utah and good luck in the PAC12 tourney!!!

    Go Utes!!! Onward and upward!!!
    Go Cougs!!! Rise Up!!!

  • BlackDiamond Provo, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 9:48 a.m.

    That was a good practice for Arizona for the rest of their season.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Feb. 20, 2014 9:50 a.m.

    If I had possessed prior knowledge that both Ashley (injury) and Gordon (3 points and benched with 8+ minutes left in regulation due to uneven officiating) would be "neutralized," I would have bet serious money on a Ute victory. How could the Utes not win! And at home!

    I bring up the referees because the announcers noted Bachenski walked, not once but TWICE, on his last layup. So the final score should have been 61-67, not 63-67.

    Let's hope this team has enough spine to avoid melting down at this critical juncture.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 9:48 a.m.

    CB

    4-5, 3-6, 2-7 = 9-18 overall in football
    3-15, 5-13, 6-8 = 14-36 overall in basketball

    Proof that the only reason U were invited to the PAC 12 was to serve as a punching bag for the big boys of the conference to pad their conference records.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    here we go again with the spin on an L. An L is an L whether by 2 or 20. And Zona is not the #4 team in the country. Barely a top ten team it that.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 20, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    The Utes are to be commended for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 9:59 a.m.

    Coach K does not coach the Utes, just sayin

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    @Sports Fan,

    0 Pac 12 invitations and 0 Big 12 invitations

    Proof that byu doesn't add enough value to any big boy conference to justify an invitation.

    We're at the bottom of the Pac 12. And you're below us.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 20, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    Christy

    It's hilarious how Utah fans slice and dice history when it comes to football and basketball.

    Utah's looooong history of mediocrity in football is somehow trumped by a couple of great seasons, but Utah's ancient history of success in basketball trumps Utah's complete collapse during the last decade.

    The truth is, Utah's mediocre athletic program had absolutely nothing to do with Utah's invitation to the PAC 12. As proof, look no further than your new bosom buddy Colorado, which hasn't finished with a winning record since 2005, yet was invited before U.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    Colorado was already in a BCS conference, the move was lateral for them. Utah's rich basketball history and their recent football success, including their domination of byu had everything to do with their invite to the PAC 12.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 10:23 a.m.

    "We were invited to the Pac because they think we are a powerhouse" LOL that takes the cake for the most ridiculous notion in all of sports ever! LOL That's like the Buffs saying they were the King's of the Big 12.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 20, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    CB

    LOL at your disengenuous spin about the reason BYU hasn't been invited to the PAC 12 or Big 12.

    Everybody who knows ANYTHING about college athletics and sports marketing knows that the quality and marketability of BYU's athletic programs far exceeds Utah's.

    BYU has NEVER, repeat, NEVER finished behind Utah in the 20+ year history of Directors' Cup, which measures overall athletic success across all men's and women's sports.

    BYU's football history, 30+ years of perennial Top 25 finishes, a National Championship, and a Heisman Trophy winner, dwarfs Utah's flash-in-the-pan football success of 2004 and 2008.

    Utah, on their own, would NEVER have been able to sign an exclusive deal with ESPN, the World-Wide Leader in college sports marketing.

    The truth is BYU's lack of an invitation to the PAC 12/Big 12 comes down to one factor ONLY, BYU's refusal to play on Sunday. The "research" university criteria is nothing but a red herring. The PAC was ready and willing to accept several schools from the Big 12 that have the exact same "research" rating as BYU.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 20, 2014 10:33 a.m.

    The Utes played tough and showed that they are much improved over years past, but they're still only a shadow of the program Utah had before Majerus left. The 1998 and 2005 Utes would have crushed the over-rated Arizona team that Utah faced in the Huntsman last night.

    Unfortunately for Utah, their milquetoast pre-season schedule killed any chance of the Utes getting an at-large bid this season. From day one, Utah's only chance of playing in the NCAA was winning the PAC 12 tourney.

    Maybe next year the Utes will be brave enough to venture outside of the comfort of the HC to play some decent teams to learn how to win a road game against quality competition.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    If you couldnt tell before how jealous these byu "fans" were of utahs superior position to them in all sports, now its hilariously obvious LOL

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 20, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    ekute

    Utah's invitation to the PAC 12 was based on two factors:

    1. A good-sized televised market close to the PAC 10 marketing footprint
    2. The PAC 12's need for 12 teams to stage a football championship game

    Colorado and Utah were the only viable options after the PAC 12/Big 12 South merger fell through and the religious bigots of the PAC made it clear to Larry Scott that they wouldn't accept a religiously-based school like Baylor or BYU to be invited to the conference.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 10:51 a.m.

    @ Old But ...

    I stated I'm happy with the way Larry K. is going about things the right way. Jim Boylen did not do things the right way and it led to a further demise of the program. Is that such a difficult and debatable point? Really??

    Do you see the words "moral victory" in my post? Thought so. Let me be clear as I have been whenever you BYU "moral victory" crusaders keep posting. There are no moral victories and Ute fans on this board aren't claiming them. We like the direction of our team...which has nothing to do with moral victories.

    BYU fans keep saying Arizona is overrated, their record speaks for itself, including wins against Duke, SDSU, Michigan, and some good PAC 12 teams. They play tremendous defense, hit the boards hard, and are incredibly quick and athletic. BYU on the other hand tries to outscore teams. How well did that work against the Big P's of the WCC?

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Feb. 20, 2014 10:56 a.m.

    sportsfanforlife

    What "superior position" in all sports?

    Current 2013-14 Directors' Cup Standings
    #11 BYU - 265 points
    #79 Utah - 75 points

    Average Directors' Cup Finishes since 1993-94
    #29 BYU - 507 points
    #64 Utah - 260 points

    Last 10 Years
    #34 BYU - 521 points
    #68 Utah - 280 points

    BYU's AVERAGE #29 finish for the last 20+ years is BETTER than Utah's BEST finish, #37 in 1997-98.

    What's really hilarious is Utah fans spouting off without any knowledge of the facts.

  • regis Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    I left a comment that was denied as disruptive or off-topic. It referred to the Utes as the Chokin' Utes instead of the Runnin' Utes. I can't believe such a comment was denied. In looking at other comments I found at least 3 of the first 4 to be more disruptive or off-topic. Who is making these decisions for the DNews? It's completely baffling.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    Last evening was the first time I have watched Utah this year. They clearly could have won the game and seem to be a fairly good team. I was impressed with the big men on both teams. I watched the player who was allegedly recruited by BYU but landed with Utah. He certainly was not impressive and seemed to be the weak link on the floor. Perhaps the tattoos were the biggest part of his game. The Wildcats did not appear to be a #4 team or if they are, Utah should be ranked.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:05 a.m.

    "BYU on the other hand tries to outscore teams."

    It worked against #19/#17 Texas, 2nd place team in the Big 12 and almost worked against #17/#19 Iowa St, 3rd place team in the Big 12. It also worked against Stanford on the road and nearly worked against Oregon, also on the road.

    Bottom line:

    BYU is 6-6 versus RPI Top 100 teams, including several road/neutral wins
    Utah is 4-8 versus RPI Top 100 teams, with ZERO road/neutral wins versus Top 100 teams

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:23 a.m.

    Cincy Red,

    Yep, it does go both ways. It's probably the same few, using multiple screen names.

    Thatsagood one

    My point is that it's pretty weak sauce and low rent to be-little a team when they lose, yet never acknowledge a team when they win. I hope that clears things up.

    Even with the loss, the future is bright. Not a single senior on the team.

    Have a good day and Go Utes!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    Pac,

    You're right, the Pac 12 wanted 12 teams for a conference title game.

    And guess what?

    So does the big 12.

    And yet they remain at 10 without a conference championship.

    Why?

    There aren't any teams that would add enough value to justify inviting them(see no invite for byu)

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:27 a.m.

    @Y>U

    You are all over the place. First it was Utah didn't belong in the MWC, now MWC under Dave Rose era?

    When did I claim Utah's basketball history had anything to do with the PAC-12 invite? I said we blended well, BYU did not.

    Utah's recent basketball history shows that Utah is well on its way to resurrecting their program.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    talkinsports,

    Sunday play has NOTHING to do with it.

    Why do I say that?

    Just imagine what we(the Pac 12) or the Big 12, or the SEC, or the ACC, or the Big 10 would say if Notre DAme wanted to fully join a conference but had the same no sunday play rule.

    EVERY conference would work around that issue.

    So no, sunday play is not the issue.

    We'd deal with it if it were Notre Dame.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:30 a.m.

    Snack PAC,
    Bottom line:
    Utah is 1-0 vs byu.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:39 a.m.

    Snack PAC, "almost" and "nearly" fall squarely into the "moral victory" campaign your cohorts keep chanting. So which is it Cougar fans, "moral victories" or losses against Iowa State, Oregon, LMU, San Diego, Pepperdine, Portland, and Pacific?

    You listed one victory against 7 losses where you couldn't outscore your opponent, not even mentioning the 81-64 "bottom line."

    Arizona forces turnovers, contests every shot, and are a very good rebounding team, which is why they are 24-2. BYU has some very highly rated offensive statistics and where did it get them? Moral victories.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:40 a.m.

    Correction, the Big 12 "wanted" 12 teams, but that's obviously no longer the case since they have a better chance of getting a team into the playoffs without holding a conference championship.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:53 a.m.

    deepblue,

    No, its the exact opposite.

    Every conference that has a championship game will provide a winner in that game that by definition won one more game against a great opponent(best team of other division in that conference) as opposed to playing just an average team of that conference which will be the case for conferences that don't have a title game.

    How exactly would not having a conference title game help in getting a team in the playoffs?

    You do realize if that were the case, the Pac 12, Big 10, SEC, and ACC could simply stop having a title game right?

    And yet they've chosen to continue to have them. Why? It helps to get a team into the playoffs.

    LOL!

  • CincyRed13 SLC, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 12:06 p.m.

    Chris B,

    Sunday play is a main issue. Those who disagree are in denial. If you look at both institutions both are highly regarded as great academic institutions. When you look at the state of the athletics they are very similar. Thinking that the Utes are way above the Cougs in the respect is ludicrous. With that said, being a part of a prestigious conference only matters if you are competitive. Yes, you get a lot more money even if you aren't competing. But really, being a part of the BCS conferences serves you no purpose unless you can capitalize (i.e. winning the tourney to get into the Rose Bowl, etc.) I think both schools are happy with where they are at and we as fans should leave it at that and cheer for both schools when they do well.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 20, 2014 12:22 p.m.

    CB

    "Every conference that has a championship game will provide a winner in that game that by definition won one more game against a great opponent"

    Not necessarily.

    A conference championship could easily produce an upset winner from the weaker division, thus eliminating a team with a much better record from the stronger division.

    Bottom line:

    The conference bottom dwelling Utes will never be in contention for the playoffs regardless of the strength of their conference.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 12:22 p.m.

    CincyRed,

    I can assure you if Notre Dame wanted into the Pac 12 we'd welcome them with open arms, even if they had a no Sunday policy. I know they don't, but if they did, it would NOT prevent us from inviting them.

    We'd even become the Pac 13 and have an odd numbered league if Notre DAme would join(again, even with a no sunday policy)

    So no, Sunday play is NOT the reason no big conference wants byu.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 12:30 p.m.

    "Snack PAC, "almost" and "nearly" fall squarely into the "moral victory" campaign"

    True,

    but #42 BYU(18-10)#31 SOS, 6-6 versus Top 100 falls solidly into the at-large bid contender category,

    while #99 Utah(17-9) #140 SOS, 4-8 versus Top 100 falls solidly into the on the outside looking in category

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 12:33 p.m.

    Spokane Ute, what's "weak sauce" is to infer (as you clearly did in your original comment) that the haters are one sided and not equally mutual.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 12:36 p.m.

    "utahs superior position to them in all sports"

    OK, I take back the earlier claim about Chris B. THIS comment takes over as the funniest Ute comment in at least the past day.

  • TanMan_101 West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 12:41 p.m.

    @ Apparently Very Old

    Unless you plan on dying in the next six month's that is a pretty bad prediction.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 12:43 p.m.

    Sports authority,

    No, what's really funny is you whiny BYU "fans" claiming anyone who speaks against your sorry school is a "Utah fan". HA! no actually im not, but thanks for playing. And the funny thing is I'm still right. The only reason y'all have more points is because of your track,baseball, and volleyball teams. It has NOTHING to do with the main sports(football and basketball) since Utah beat you like a drum in basketball and y'all have had virtually NO CHANCE on the field as evidenced the last 4 years. So why is it that y'all have not been invited to ANY conference let alone an elite conference like Utah has? Is it because Utah is superior to you. Hmmm

  • TanMan_101 West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    @Jarka

    Yes, they are the number 4 team. When they NCAA comes to you and asks you to compile the rankings, then you can decide what they should be.

  • TanMan_101 West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    @ Snack

    Didn't work for them against Utah.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 12:51 p.m.

    Christine, BTW I'm NOT a Utah fan lol ppl outside of the bubble realize who has the better football and basketball team and its not BYU...

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 12:54 p.m.

    Lonestar, this Ute fan never expected Utah to get to the Dance this year. It is rare for a team to jump from 6 conference wins in a year to the NCAA tournament. Utah is not good enough to get there this year. They have the talent but lack the experience to finish close games.

    RPI in February does not punch BYU's ticket to the dance. Their history against the Zags and the possibility of losing more conference road games could leave them outside looking in.

    The big difference is most Utah fans did not expect Utah to go to the Dance this year. BYU was expected to go from the outset of the season.

    Frankly, I hope BYU goes because I predict another early exit for the Cougs, adding to their illustrious record of first-round departures from the tourney.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    Christine,

    You really wanna know what's funny? Is you BYU "fans" claiming Utah (the better team by a mile) can't beat Pepperdine (lol), Loyola mmt (hahaha), Portland (LOL) and pacific *crying laughing* then one of your "smart" fans claimed sorry saint Mary's could compete with anyone in the PAC. I died laughing

  • CincyRed13 SLC, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 1:02 p.m.

    Chris,

    Playing what if doesn't help your case. The fact of the matter is that Notre Dame doesn't have a no Sunday play policy so that argument isn't relevant. Every BCS conference knows where BYU stands and that is a factor in their not being invited to a conference whether you like it or not. There are several BCS teams that offer a lot less to a conference than BYU did. It's okay to recognize that.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    @ The Anti Chris
    I know you have your blue goggles on and do not know a good basketball team when you see one. But Utah is a very good program and just because they gave Arizona all they coould handle in overtime they are an average team?

    I guess #10 St Louis is an average team since they barley held of George Mason in overtime and Syracuse is an average program because they lost to a 2-9 in conference team.

    The Pac is the #3 conference in the NCAA for a reason they have a lot of talent and did well in preseason play after all Arizona did beat Michigan, and Duke. But I guess that is being average.

  • CincyRed13 SLC, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 1:06 p.m.

    Sports Fan For Life,

    Are you saying Utah had a better basketball team when they were invited to the Pac? The U owns BYU in football plain and simple. But the Pac was not looking at basketball when the U was accepted because the last decade will show you who had the superior team (BYU).

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Feb. 20, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    After I said: "Here's one for you: Utah will NOT win a PAC-12 championship in football or basketball in my life time. Mark it down!"

    TanMan_101 responded:

    "@ Apparently Very Old

    Unless you plan on dying in the next six month's that is a pretty bad prediction."

    So which PAC-12 football or basketball championship (where Utah could win) will be decided in the next six months?

    BTW, my life expectancy is >20 years.

    P.S. Winning the PAC-12 tournament is not the Championship; it is the automatic berth played out on a NEUTRAL court. So I'll live with my prediction. My head is where it needs to be.

    Go Bruins! 80-66

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 2:18 p.m.

    cincy,

    Its very relevant. Do you disagree that any big time conference would work with Notre Dame if they had a sunday issue or will you stick to the "We have no idea what the answer is" since you don't like what it says about byu?

    Trust me, if byu added enough value, we'd work around the sunday issue.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 2:23 p.m.

    CincyRed13

    you have to be one of the most level headed byu fans, so, for that you deserve a level headed response.

    No, i was not implying that utah had a better basketball team in the last decade. I completely agree with you about whose had the better team over the last decade, but even then in SOME of those years utah had an equal to or better ball team than byu. But overall it's without question byu had the better team. now if only you could get some of your counterparts to admit the same about the U football team instead of always making the SAME excuse that somehow byu was better than utah even tho utah beat them head to head.

    thanks for your level headed comment btw.

  • Big Sky Fan Ogden, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 2:27 p.m.

    So let me get this straight, I've read so many comments on here about the following:

    1. Notre Dame
    2. Sunday Play

    Did notre dame play Utah last Sunday?

    How are all these comments not off topic? Completely off topic, yet moderators are posting them.

    I was hoping to read some good analysis of free throw shooting, for example:

    1. Keep your elbow in
    2. Take a deep breath
    3. Bend your knees
    4. Focus on the front or back of the rim.

    All of these topics are ON TOPIC about the game last night.

    Yet somehow these message boards turn in to Sunday play and Notre Dame?

    Maybe i don't know what off topic means.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 2:34 p.m.

    Old But Not Stupid
    Moorpark, CA

    After I said: "Here's one for you: Utah will NOT win a PAC-12 championship in football or basketball in my life time. Mark it down!"

    BTW, my life expectancy is >20 years.

    --------------

    Dog years?

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 3:00 p.m.

    Happy to see the Utes fight to the end. Some bad bounces late in regulation and in overtime as well as some young player mistakes sealed this one. This team will only get better with experience. Coach K is making sure of that. As I said before the game, I'm still happy with this team in spite of this loss. Time to bounce back and finish strong. Go Utes!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 20, 2014 4:06 p.m.

    CincyRed is spot on with his Sunday play position. The PAC 10/12 was not going let a school dictate what days they can and can not play on. There were several other factors also. As far as why Utah got invited; TV revenue and another TV market was a big factor.

  • CincyRed13 SLC, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 4:10 p.m.

    Chris,

    I am sure that a lot of conferences would work with Notre Dame I don't disagree there. Where I disagree is your blatant disregard for BYU as an academic institution and athletic program. BYU and Utah offer pretty much the same thing in both regards.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Feb. 20, 2014 4:11 p.m.

    Uteology

    I must admit that my first reaction to your "?" "Dog year" comment was to go on the offensive. But being an alleged "disciple" of Coach Wooden** as well as Jesus Christ, I'll give you your Pyrrhic victory.

    ** [Truly one of the greatest men I have ever met. I met JRW while in high school and talked to him on the telephone several times in my late 20's--he answered his own phone in the athletic department! No, he did not recruit me--both he and Stan Watts thought I was too small and my name was not Gail Goodrich, while Gene Bartow (then an Asst Coach under Dr. Art Gallon at UCSB) and Jack Gardner of Utah (of all places)offered me! So if ancient history or program tradition means anything you may want to cut some slack.]

    The fact remains you avoided (Chris might say cherry picked) the primary substance of my comment.

    Go Bruins!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 4:47 p.m.

    @TanMan_101
    The've played exactly one ranked opponent and both ASU and Cal are pathetic, the polls are a joke. Zona is not even close to a top ten team.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 4:47 p.m.

    Once again, Coach K does not coach for the Utes

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 4:55 p.m.

    @Crow
    the media paints way too much makeup on the Pac just like the SEC in football. only two ranked teams from this so called juggernaut #3 conference phew look out. and Ucla shouldn't be ranked.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 5:48 p.m.

    sportsfanforlife

    Remind us how National Championships Utah has in football and basketball.

    Frankly, nobody cares what team you're a fan of, but 99% of fans who post negative comments about BYU on Utah articles are either Utah fans or BYU haters who are simply using Utah as their foil.

  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 6:09 p.m.

    CB

    "Sunday play has NOTHING to do with it."

    Don't lie to yourself; Sunday play and religious bigotry of a couple of PAC 10 schools had everything to do with BYU not being invited to the PAC 12.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 6:24 p.m.

    sportsfanforlife

    What proof do you have that Utah could beat #127 Pepperdine, #162 LMU, #155 Portland, or #111 Pacific on their home courts when the Utes lost to #178 Washington State on the road.

    The only PAC 12 team Utah has beaten on the road is #144 USC.

    The truth is, Utah is so pathetic on the road that they won't even schedule Weber State and Utah State anymore because they know that they're not good enough to compete in the Spectrum or the Dee Events Center.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 6:42 p.m.

    Troll, you need to get out of your cubby more and get some fresh air into your persecution complex. Most Ute fans on this board do not "hate" BYU. Go back and read the majority of the negative posts...mostly from BYU fans.

    Jarka, we'll call our coach whatever we want...you are protesting something that really isn't relevant to any of this conversation. Give it a rest already.

    Arizona is a top 10 team. Anyone in the arena last night saw a team who could lock down another team defensively when they wanted to. They are long, athletic, rebound the ball, and force turnovers.

    Defense wins championships. BYU puts up a lot of points and can't stop anyboyd. IF they get into the tournament, they will continue a longstanding and glorious tradition of losing in the first round.

  • Gone fishin Seattle, WA
    Feb. 20, 2014 7:25 p.m.

    To all you BYU haters that think they want to be in the PAC; NOT TRUE. BYU would NEVER bow to big money and be required to lower their standards and be forced to play sports on Sunday. The PAC knows it and did not make the offer because of that. PAC Schools do however schedule BYU because they know that it raises their SOS in all sports when they play them.

    BYU has a sweet deal with ESPN and provides enough revenue to run their sports programs. Plus gets revenue from bowl games. Utah has to rely on other pac schools to share their bowl revenue with them. It's kind of like collegiate welfare.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 7:55 p.m.

    jarka-rus
    Layton, Utah

    @Crow
    the media paints way too much makeup on the Pac just like the SEC in football. only two ranked teams from this so called juggernaut #3 conference phew look out. and Ucla shouldn't be ranked.

    ------------

    The media? Is that why you have a losing record vs PAC-12, because of the media?

    BYU football vs #7 and #10 PAC-12 teams: 0-2 (0%)
    BYU basketball vs #6, #7, and #10 PAC-12 teams: 1-2 (33%)

    Be thankful you don't have to play UCLA.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 20, 2014 8:12 p.m.

    @Uteanymous

    The truth is, Utah is so pathetic on the road that they won't even schedule Weber State and Utah State anymore because they know that they're not good enough to compete in the Spectrum or the Dee Events Center.

    ------------

    That might be true but we are good enough to compete at BYU and at #8 Kansas next year.

    "Utah's nonconference basketball schedule in 2014-15 got a lot more difficult with an announcement on Wednesday. The Utes will take on Kansas at the Sprint Center in Kansas City, Mo., on Dec. 13, 2014." -- Deseret News

  • Creeper51 Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 9:56 p.m.

    Gone Fishin

    First every conference share's revenue, so in 2004, 2008 BYU got a sweet paycheck for Utah's hard work. (you gosh darn handout takers.) Your SOS comment isn't always true, when BYU is doing well yes they help the SOS, but when they aren't doing well just the opposite happens.

    The PAC didn't invite BYU because they didn't meet certain criteria like Utah did. BYU isn't a research university, yes they don't play on Sunday, BYU and Utah share about the same viewership and market so that was a wash. In the modern era of Football (BCS) Utah has been a more dominate program, there is no disputing that fact. Two undefeated seasons two BCS bowls, utter domination of BYU in the rivalry. There's no way around that.

    BYU has a nice deal with ESPN that keeps them viable for a few more years, and they don't make money off the bowl games. The games they have been too pay out less than one million dollars, and BYU feeds, travels, and takes care of 100 plus people for those games.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 10:45 p.m.

    uteanymous,

    you byu fans are the KINGS of speculation and its absolutely hilarious. utah took then NUMBER ONE arizona down to the wire "on the road" arizona was lucky to escape with a win, while on the other hand byu gets gets absolutely worked on the road by HORRIBLE teams. you are lucky you're in the wcc cause you would get absolutely embarrassed in the pac. period

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 10:52 p.m.

    troll,

    you have ONE football national championship which was an embarrassment to the college football world. you played a team who finished under .500 for the season? LOL thats embarrassing.

    utah has a national championship in basketball and an nit tourney championship. how many does byu have again? thought so.

  • Chris B's momma Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:40 p.m.

    Arizona was playing without important player but still beat Utah on hill. You may never get a better chance to beat a wounded cat.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:44 p.m.

    sportsfanforlife

    I seem to recall that basketball "championships" was the laughing stock of all championships.

    1944... Woefully determined to be short on credibility.

    BYU's football winning streak alone and unanimous poll rankings kind of makes your analogy... weak sauce.

    Epic FAIL

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2014 6:49 a.m.

    sportsfanforlife

    #37 BYU(19-10) #18 SOS is 7-6 versus Top 100 teams, with TWO wins over ranked teams, #19/#17 Texas and #25/#22 Gonzaga

    #97 Utah(17-9) #142 SOS is 4-8 versus Top 100 teams, with ONE win over a ranked team, #23/#25 UCLA

    Utah does NOT have a national championship in basketball - Utah won the most watered-down NCAA tournament in history in 1944, but Army won the 1944 national championship. Utah only beat TWO legitimate college teams during the 1944 regular season - Idaho St (twice) and Colorado College.

    BYU has won TWO NIT championships - 1951 and 1966 - but like Utah's 1944 NCAA and 1949 NIT, neither could be considered national championships.

    It's laughable how a fan, who claims not to be a Utah fan, is suddenly trolling every Utah article and knows so much and is such an ardent defender of the Utes, using the exact same talking points Utah fans have been using for years.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 7:20 a.m.

    Uteology

    Nice spin, but unlike U, BYU isn't afraid to venture onto the road to play non-conference games - BYU played at Oregon, at Stanford and at Utah this season, finishing with a 1-2 record versus the PAC 12 (33%).

    By contrast, Utah lost to the #11 and #9 teams on the road, lost to the #10 team at home, and has a 1-6 (14%) record on the road in the PAC 12 this season, 2-23 (8%) overall on the road since joining the conference.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 21, 2014 7:46 a.m.

    TrueBlue

    Ouch!

    Stop using facts to obliterate Uteology's spin.

    It's blatantly obvious which team is actually capable of winning away from home, and which team is only a pretender that likes to cherry pick stats to make themselves feel better.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    Nice win against the Zags last night BYU. It probably secured BYU a spot in the tournament. Congrats.

    Rockwell, it really isn't "blatantly" obvious which team is "capable" of winning away from home. BYU often loses on the road. Look at their record and the teams they are losing to away. You beat Gonzaga at home and now you are ready to roar like Tarzan that you are a great road team?

    One of the obliterating facts Uteanymous neglected in his spin is BYU is 3-5 on the road in the WCC. BYU also lost to Iowa State, Wichita State, and Umass on the road. Not exactly tearing up the road circuit there bro.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 21, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    DraperUteFan

    BYU's 6-7(46%) record in road/neutral games this season OBLITERATES Utah's 1-7(13%) record, regardless of how you spin it.

    It is blatantly obvious which team is more capable of winning away from away.

    btw, thanks for the "congrats" on BYU's 2nd win over a Top 25 team this season.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 10:42 a.m.

    Rockwell, I'm not spinning Utah's abysmal road record. It is terrible, but expectations were very low for Utah. Wins over UCLA and BYU this year already exceed what anyone could have expected from Utah with a young team rebuilding. They may end the season at .500 in conference play, which is considerable improvement over the last two years.

    Objectively, a 3-5 road record against the WCC for a team that was supposed to compete for the WCC title is well below expectations. Utah at 1-7 on the road in the PAC 12 is a little below expectation, but not much.

    The PAC 12 is a tougher conference than the WCC. Jarka's opinion to the contrary, the RPI of the PAC 12 is 3rd and the WCC is 9th. Take Gonzaga out of the mix and the WCC wouldn't crack the top ten in conference RPI.

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 11:39 a.m.

    DraperUte,

    And if Arizona in the mix the Pac 12 would drop a little bit. Why throw out crazy talk like "Take out Gonzaga" The Pac 12 hands down is a better league. We agree. No need to start talking crazy and giving numbers as if Gonzaga wasn't in the WCC unless you start giving us what the Pac 12's numbers would be without Arizona. Or if we're just talking nonsense, tell us what the Pac 12 would be without Arizona, Cal, UCLA, and Colorado. Where would the Pac 12 be then? See how ridiculous that is?

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 1:28 p.m.

    @ jarka-rus
    BYU would fail to compete in the PAC12 year in and year out. byu just cannot recruit the type of athlete that they would need to contend. This is something you and most byu fans can not comprehend.

    byu and the 9th best conference is a great fit. It allows byu to compete because they can recruit the average type of player that playes in the wcc. But to spot off that the PAC is overrated when byu is 1-2 against the PAC and 0-2 in football again its the athletes that byu just does not have.

    One last thing Gonzaga is the most overrated program and your win last night will still not get byu an automatic bid. There will be an upset in another conference (Big5 conference) conference tourney and the committe will keep the other teams from the Big5 conference instead of a 2nd place at large team from the wcc. Got to love your conference affiliation.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    @TrueBlue

    By contrast, Utah lost to the #11 and #9 teams on the road, lost to the #10 team at home, and has a 1-6 (14%) record on the road in the PAC 12 this season, 2-23 (8%) overall on the road since joining the conference.

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    BYU is 2-5 (28%) on the road in the WCC, a 2 tournament team conference. FYI you got pummeled by last place LMU and bottom feeders like Pacific.

    Why is it so difficult for you BYU fans to understand:

    A) Utah is rebuilding their program
    B) BYU is not

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 2:14 p.m.

    Sports are Great, I'm primarily speaking to Jarka and others who say the PAC 12 is not a good conference and even going so far as to claim Arizona at 24-2 and winners over Duke, SDSU, and Michigan are not a top 10 team. Talk about "crazy" talk, that has to be in the mix. It shows a total lack of credibility and understanding of what constitutes a good basketball team and league by those who continually attempt to undermine the PAC 12.

    Yes, take out Arizona and the PAC 12 RPI drops, no question, but would any conference drop from conference RPI standings further than the WCC if the top team were removed?

    Arizona State is part of that mix of top teams in the PAC 12 as well. The PAC 12 is not phenomenal this year, but from top to the middle tier, still pretty good.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 4:24 p.m.

    Uteology: "Why is it so difficult for you BYU fans to understand:

    A) Utah is rebuilding their program
    B) BYU is not"

    Because it only took Dave Rose ONE season to rebuild BYU's program.

    In fact, after BYU's disastrous 1997 season, it only took BYU FOUR seasons to rebuild and win the 2001 MWC championship and return to the NCAA tournament.

    Compare that to Utah, which has only played in ONE NCAA tournament game since Bogut and the last remnants of the Majerus era left Utah, and U can see why BYU fans have little sympathy for Utah's self-induced plight.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 21, 2014 4:47 p.m.

    Uteology

    "BYU is 2-5 (28%) on the road in the WCC"

    As usual, you're forced to cherry pick only the negatives, while completely ignoring the positives for BYU.

    While the Utes were playing the 350th WORST pre-season schedule, BYU was busy playing one the Top 5 TOUGHEST pre-season schedules in the country.

    BYU has road/neutral wins over #48 Stanford, #23 Texas, #81 San Francisco, #65 Saint Mary's, and #114 Utah St.

    Meanwhile, Utah's lone win away from the HC was at #140 USC.

    That's FIVE BYU road/neutral wins over teams that are BETTER than Utah's LONE road/neutral win of the season.

    #37 BYU, #18 SOS, is 6-7 versus Top 100 teams.
    #97 Utah, #142 SOS, is 4-8 versus Top 100 teams.

    Stop pretending that only describing the trunk gives an accurate picture of what an elephant looks like.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Feb. 22, 2014 12:05 p.m.

    Crow
    Oregon, Colo. Ucla, Cal, Zona all overrated