I am way uncomfortable with putting this topic into a classroom setting. It is
yet another example of schools having to try and pick up the pieces for what is
not going on in homes. They want us to do suicide prevention, gun safety, bully
prevention, sex ed, and now sex abuse prevention. What happened to"
'readin, 'riting, and 'rithmetic?" Oh, I forgot for a moment.
The State Legislature and State School Board are in charge.
To many children turn up missing and get hurt. I think it's a good thing to
have in schools so these children will know what to do. We as parents do our
best to teach everything we can to our children but sometimes we need help too.
I wish there was something like this taught in school when my kids were younger.
There are ultra conservative lobbying groups who have the legislators ears here
in Utah.It does not matter to these people if this instruction will help
children.The subject includes the word sex, which is a word these
lobbyists and legislators refuse to connect with.
What "no fit in SG" said. That. Exactly.
I wish that the Dnews would allow for us to post links that are thoughtful and
constructive to the discussion. Alas, they do not.If they did I
would post links to two scholarly studies. The first is observational with
statistically significant data from Texas. It shows that when Planned Parenthood
left a cluster of counties that teenage pregnancy and STDs dropped
significantly. Second, a very recent study on bullying that
demonstrates, again with hard data, that where anti-bullying programs are
implemented bullying actually increases!In both cases, hard data
demonstrates that these well intended programs actually backfire. Turns out
teaching kids how 'not to do something' becomes some sort of de facto,
this is how you do it. How do these studies impact this issue? I can
only guess though the trend would be that, while very well intended, if this
measure becomes law we should expect painful 'blow-back' to borrow a
military term. I strongly suggest this bill be defeated or moved to
next legislative session so the issue can be studied much more thoroughly. The
data of similar activities is very compelling and informative.
It saddens me that there are only three comments on this topic. Preventing
child sexual abuse is every human beings job. This is not just a topic for
parents, unfortunately children are abducted from school, walking down the
street. There will come a day when the predators and the people who did nothing
will have to answer to Heavenly Father. I hope they are ready. More people
should have read "It Takes A Village" by Hilary Clinton and taken the
message to heart. I hope Elizabeth Smart hangs in there like Gabby Gifford.
She is a survivor and a brave woman.
LittleStream,I had never heard of "It Takes A Village" by
Hilary Clinton. I just read the synopsis on Amazon. It is now next up on my
reading list. Thank you for the suggestion!
JMT in Springville - you are forgetting that correlation does not mean
causation. What happens when health clinics leave (which PP is)? Then people go
elsewhere to get those services. So the fact is, the unplanned pregnancies and
STD cases just moved somewhere else to be reported and treated. What happens
when kids become aware that they can safely report bullying, etc? The cases of
reported bullying go up. That doesn't mean the programs didn't do
their job. I would suggest a broader reading of scientific literature on the
topics before making statements.
And if she had not backed it??
Why is this bill necessary? If some school districts have already implemented
programs to teach children about sex abuse prevention, why must the legislature
pass a bill allowing districts to voluntarily teach the subject? Were these
districts in violation of the law when they implemented the programs and they
needed permission from the legislature to validate their programs? It is not
the responsibility of the legislature to mandate curriculum. They should
appropriate sufficient funds to schools to establish and maintain schools, let
the school board set the standards and then let local schools and districts
determine the curriculum and programs most appropriate for their students.
If it is being used in some schools at present and is voluntary under the bill,
why does it need a law?
I agree with what SG had to say but if JMT is correct then they do have a valid
point. It's a tough call either way. What about an
interactive course the school districts offer to the parents and children of
their community? Both parent and child attend. My idea is far fetched but it
could just work. I will tell you this, I am fairly confident I will
be trusting the word of Elizabeth Smart over any of those uttered by the Eagle
Forum. Mrs. Smart has been there, she knows what she is talking about. The
Eagle forum and their ilk should stick to placement of lingerie stores and
T-shirt's in mall windows. Let the big boy's handle the tough stuff,
I grew up in Salt Lake City and was being abused by my father and was not
protected by my mother. It was never, ever discussed, at home, in the
classroom, no where. I carried that shame for over 50 years. It needs to be
brought out into the open so others are held accountable for their actions.
Out of evil, good will always triumph. May God continue to bless Elizabeth.
JMT: The old school programs probably did increase bullying, but schools picked
up on that in recent years and have improved bullying programs. There are very
effective ways to take the wind out of a bully's sail. Stopping bullies is
a very high priority in the schools - and it is a problem that the schools must
fight because that is where it is happening. Bullying has increased over the
years, not because of the schools, but because the youth culture has become more
violent and desensitized. Child Sex Abuse Prevention could be taught
appropriately in the schools. However, as with any subject in the schools, it
will always be taught with the teacher's personal bias. The same is true
with sex education, abstinence, bullying, etc. When we hire teachers that really
care about the students, who have personal values themselves, our students will
get taught higher values. However, the schools are not usually concerned with a
teacher's values. Wouldn't it be great if they were?Years ago my
children attended Wasatch Elementary in Provo, Utah. The principal there hired
teachers according to their ability to raise student’s self-esteem -
While this is a good thing, there are some questions that should be asked:1. How much will is cost to develop the material for this?2. Do we really need to lose another day of instruction for this?3. Are teachers qualified to teach this, or will it require specialists to
come into each school?
Ideally, all important instruction takes place in the home.However, since
the world we live in is not ideal, and since many perpetrators of sexual abuse
are, in fact, family members of the victims, additional instruction is necessary
and schools are the logical place to reach and teach children.
I am shocked by the quote given by Elizabeth's father when he said;
"Like many parents he did not know what to do, didn't know what to
teach his children,...." Really? I hope he taught his daughters to leave
any man who hits them, cheats on them, abused their children, is cruel to
animals, steals, and a host of other bad behaviors. What so we want the schools
to teach? History, Science, Math, and academics.
Use of permanent monitoring devices like a chip or external device would make
society much safer. If monitoring was done by software so time and location was
a known entity: deterrence would be a very real powerful tool against future
acts of sexual misconduct. Even crazy people look both ways, not all of the time
but the resulting knowledge that getting caught would be a real possibility
would have the desired effect on many opportunistic sex offenders. And the ones
that like to plan would find having a record of their time and location on file
would make for a much safer world for children and women. Because they are the
victims most of the time. Ask yourself ladies; if your car was to breakdown at
night on a lonely road would you want every sex offender to be monitored for
time and whereabouts? Most criminals do not want to get caught and even the sick
ones show intelligence as they hide their acts from detection best they can.Ask UAG/lawmakers if such a law could be used? As long as no crimes were
reported no use of the stored information would even be reviewed by authorities
People have yet to convincingly demonstrate that exposing children to the very
idea of this threat will protect them from it. There is little children can do
against adults who will adduct them. It would seem to be better to focus our
resources on apprehending the evil people who do this, not on training programs
that have little proven benefit.