"I think even most Cougar fans would admit that Utah’s Sugar Bowl
trouncing of Alabama was a more impressive victory than any the Cougs had during
their national championship season."You would think so.
"The fact is, however, since Utah sold-out..."That the best
you got?Name me a single non-power conference team in the entire
country other than Notre Dame that wouldn't like to be in a power
conference.There are none. byu and usu would ask "how high"
if the Pac 12 or Big 12 called and told them to jump.
USU being the most relevant because they are competing for mwc championsips?LOL. The funny thing about that whole big fish little fish
thing is shouldn't every "fish" want to be as big as they can?
Isn't that the goal, to be as big as possible?A "small fish
in a big Pac 12 pond" is still BIGGER than a "big fish in a small WAC
pond" Need proof?See the Pac 12's 14-1 record
against the WAC(including byu) last year.Recruiting?EVERY pac 12 team beat EVERY wac team in recruiting.A small Pac 12
team is still bigger than a "big" WAC team.And isnt'
the goal to be as big as possible?You don't get any bigger just
because the other fish in your pond are tiny, you just think you are bigger.Fans who think like that must think Fresno was a bigger fish than
Alabama last year since Fresno was the biggest fish in their pond and Alabama
wasn't the biggest fish in their pond last year.LOL! Great "logic" there guys
"It seems reasonable to say that BYU, in its current situation, appears to
be in serious jeopardy of becoming a “have-not,” second-tier
football program.LOLThe Cougars have been unable to get
into a nationally relevant conferenceLOL, have been
unable to secure any impressive bowl affiliationsLOL!Thus, if I had to choose, I would rather be Utah than BYU right now because
regardless of on-field success or failure, the Utes’ future as a top-tier
college sports university seems to be secure."Nice to see some
people who can think clearly.
Chris (Ogden?)Here's a lesson on clear thinking:Being at the bottom of a top-tier conference does not bestow top-tier status.
Being in the top 3 (or 5) programs in an elite conference on a consistent basis
is the road to elite status.The bad news, if you think about it, is
that BYU and particularly Utah have a long-term disadvantage compared to the
much better weather found in the Southeast, Southwest, and Pacific West regions
of the country. Years ago I heard an ESPN commentator making this point. Why
would Florida, Texas, or California kids want to go to the snow/ice country, if
they get offered by GA, FL, AL, LSU, TX, USC, UCLA, ASU, etc.?Unless
BYU's "Christian values" have some influence, I'd suggest
elite athletes will choose prestigious programs from "Southern" schools
almost every time. What do you think about that?
ChristopherI don't know if BYU will become a "have-not"
or not....I will concede that U of U athletics--because of their
PAC-12 affiliation--will benefit in a major way financially from the principle
of income redistribution from those in the conference who pull more than their
weight.It appears that liberal/socialist philosophy has insinuated
itself into Zion. Does this make Utah a "hand-out" instead of a
@Old,"I'd suggest elite athletes will choose prestigious
programs from "Southern" schools almost every time""What do you think about that"I've never once
suggested anything to the contrary - programs like USC, Florida, AL, LSU...will
out-recruit any Utah school 99% of the time.
bemsart(old but not stupid)It appears that liberal/socialist
philosophy has insinuated itself into Zion. Does this make Utah a
"hand-out" instead of a "have-not?"The Pac 12 made a
decision they were better off inviting Utah and Colorado. We added enough value
that they wanted to increase the overall value of the Pac 12 schools.The Pac 12 and Big 12 have had multiple opportunites to run the same analysis
on byU.Each and every time its been decided that byu does NOT add
enough value to justify us(or the big 12) inviting byu.Most byu fans
want to be in a big boy conference. Just admit it. How does that
feel knowing that each and every day that goes by, we(along with the big 12) are
essentially telling byu "no" over and over and over and over?
The whole big fish/small fish discussion seems a bit ironic to me.I'm hopeful that Utah will figure out a way to do well in the PAC-12 and
am glad they're a member of the conference. That said, I can't
understand why some Utah fans are quick to want everyone to believe that even
middle or bottom of the pack PAC-12 teams are "bigger fish" than even
the champions of "small fish" conferences.That same logic
was used (and can continue to be used) to demean Utah's undefeated seasons
of a few year back when they were in a "small fish" conference. I
didn't buy the argument when Utah was in a small fish conference and
don't buy it now when Utah is in a big fish conference.Not sure
why other fans who also thought it was a bogus argument in 2006 and 2009 think
it is true now.There's upside in all three programs as well as
substantial risk. The only sure thing is that the teams in Provo and SLC will
continue to be relevant to their, and each other's, fan base.
Conference affiliation does make the path easier to be nationally relevant,
especially if you belong to one of the Big 5 Conferences. However, a part of
that is that you have to win some games to be relevant. Kudos to the Utes for
taking that chance/opportunity to be relevant on the national scale. However,
they will have to begin being competitive in the PAC 10+2. As the writer states
they are going to have to come up with a creative way to attract the needed
athletes. I think the jury is still out on the Cougars. I do not think they will
be able to "consistently" attract the level of school needed to play
them to be nationally relevant again. Tough to get 12 Big 5 schools on your
schedule every year, especially when you are good enough to be a "trap"
game. Good luck to both schools, different paths, so far nearly the same
This was very interesting article. I'll make my point quick Utah
State has the easiest path to the upper tear bowl games, Utah will not be able
to get out of the cellar any time soon and BYU has to run the table to get there
and for the Aggies they just have to win the MW. The MW will get the upper tear
bowl game three out of four years. If your not a fan of one of the
three schools it's clear the mountain west conference has the easiest path!
2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0Ogden, UT"I think even most
Cougar fans would admit that Utah’s Sugar Bowl trouncing of Alabama was a
more impressive victory than any the Cougs had during their national
championship season."You would think so.---------------Actually, beating #18 Oregon State (9-4) was a more
impressive victory than any the Cougs had during their NC season. Trouncing of a team like Alabama is beyond BYU's comprehension,
considering they've never beaten a top 5 team by more than 7 points.
Thanks to BYU
Utah State has the easiest path to success for the short/medium term (finally!).
Utah however has it made for the long term if they can become relevant in that
conference (which is not going to be anytime soon). BYU well they'll end up
in the BIG 12 or end up going back to the MWC I don't think they're
independence will last too much longer giving the "death" of the BCS.