We have a spending problem with our government, not an income problem. How
about we curb/control/reduce spending rather than try to get more money that can
be wasted by political players in our federal and state governments?
Why do small hybrids and electric cars pay more than the 1 ton trucks? The
trucks do more damage and pollute more.
Let me get this straight. You want to discourage fuel efficient vehicles
operating in Utah? How about this idea, increase the taxes and fees on large
SUVs, vans and trucks. Those vehicles, SUVs, vans and trucks, with their
increased mass causes much more damage to the roads than a compact hybrid,
e-vehicle, or normally aspirated sedan. Further, large vehicles contribute much
more to air quality issues in Utah, have of course lower fuel economy. And last,
as those vehicles have lower fuel economy, they drive the demand for gasoline
higher, thereby increasing the fuel costs for those sensible folk who drive
economical sedans. All I have written is the obvious and of common sense. For
the sake of argument, I presume you, the committee also has the capacity of
common sense. As the committee passed this piece of legislation, I can only
presume that the individuals in the committee have some personal agenda or
corporate relationship that has motivated your tally in opposition of common
sense and the citizens of Utah. Shame on you once again.
Ligislative comittee favors bill to raise fees on natural gas and electric
vehicles.And in other news legislature struggling to find ways to
help clean Utahs dirty air.
those ostriches!My suggestion is to change the vehicle registration math,
to favor fuel economy (epa fuel economy rating), type of fuel, emissions, and
miles driven annually (available at the annual safety / emissions event) i.e.
adjust / calculate registration fees based on these factors. Stop the present
method that uses age, weight, and presumed value. Our vehicle registration fees
can be used to encourage motorists good behavior.And change the
income tax deduction for business use of a vehicle. Instead of perpetuating the
present reward for using fuel, change this deduction to favor the use of cleaner
/ more economical vehicles, such as by capping the cost per mile amount, such as
by capping the miles period, such as by eliminating the deduction for diesel or
gasoline engines while keeping a deduction for hybrid or nat gas engines or full
electric systems.This headline article tells us how the legislature
is doing the opposite of what's needed. And they're using a hammer
approach, with the wrong hammer.
Esimerp,What you suggest about higher user fees on trucks is already
done. Their taxes are directly tied to the amount they burn, the tax is also
proportionate to the level of wear they cause to the roads. For years that way
of collecting more taxes from those with the biggest impact has worked fairly
well. And just for the record, if vehicle weight causes road wear, a diesel
tractor moving food uses less fuel and causes less road wear per pound moved
than an economy car hauling a person.However, there is a new breed
of traveler that has been using the public roads but has not been paying their
fair share for maintenance. They pay little or nothing for the construction and
maintenance of the roads because their pollution comes from electric generating
plants instead of a tailpipe. I'm not sure whether that reduces pollution
or not. Every time you change energy form or transmit it over power lines there
are losses.This fee is nowhere near the fair share electric vehicles
owe for their road wear, but it is better than the nothing they currently
contribute to maintain the roads they use.
Well, well, well. I nice thank you to those who've at least made an effort
to keep our air a bit cleaner. The best solution is actually the most
capitalistic one: Charge by the mile driven. That way everyone pays their fair
share equally. For some reason though, our conservative politicians like to
lecture everyone about the virtues of capitalism, but at the same time pass laws
that redistribute the tax burdens in a myriad of ways.
Some people are a little slow in figuring out how government and its greed and
corruption work. Did the Greener's really think they would get off tax
free? What a selfish idea. They pollute and harm the environment in more ways
than they were told by dealerships and government bureaucrat to fool them into
buying the coffins on wheels.Did you know that air quality in Utah
is not relevant to combustion engines using fossil fuels? Did you know that the
half ton of batteries in the car cannot be recycled? They are made of toxic
materials that must be buried, the release of these toxic batteries in a car
accident is still secret.And all the plastic in the body and car,
they are made from fossil fuels and when they burn its like burning a pile of
rubber tires with its toxic smoke. These cars will have to be condemned every
7-10 years and resale is impossible.You got shafted into thinking
you are helping the environment and you never even give it much thought and yes
the Green cars must be equally taxed for road repairs, air quality, road wear,
The Utah State Senate is once again demonstrating its inability to demonstrate
any intelligence, or any strategic thinking.Problem bad air -
Utah's senate's solution increase taxes on cars that don't
contribute to the problem.These guys are looking at increasing taxes
without looking in depth into their increase in their taxes. They are assuming
that all cars drive the same mileage. If someone buys an electric car they would
have a tendency to drive less miles and use public transportation.If
the gas tax is a "user tax" than in an effort to avoid the tax it is
also an encouragement to avoid using gas. Find a different area to get your
money that will encourage clean air.
BebyebeI ton trucks pay MUCH more than small hybrids – in fuel
taxes. Small hybrids still use roads, and should also pay for them.Esimerp,No, they do not want to discourage fuel efficient vehicles, they
just want them to help pay for the roads they use.Majmajor,The
use fee is for the use of the ROADS – not gas.
way to cut incentives of driving ngv. I thought I was already paying road taxes
on every gallon of cng. They won't even let me drive my bi-fuel in the HOV
lane even though it operates almost exclusively on cng, except in states that
don't have stations. Dumb tax increasing legislation!
way to knock out the incentive to drive a NGV. I thought I was already paying
road taxes at thecng pump. Legislation that won't do much for getting
more NGV's on the road to help clean the air. DUH !
This bill is about gas usage and the senator attacking a type of vehicles.
There is no thought that some gas-only vehicles get better mileage then hybrids,
but only the hybrids, natural gas, and electric vehicles are paying the
increased PROPERTY TAX. The new tax is a fee on a type of vehicle not on usage
(gas tax). There is no consideration in the bill for how much use/driving the
specific cars use the State roads.This is also a direct attack on
those individuals that have invested in specific vehicles that reduce air
pollution. FACT: The majority of the dangerous air in the Wasatch Front comes
from driving vehicles.If this was fair, lets keep the gas-tax, AND
increase the taxes on all vehicles. Lets finally do something serious about
Utah's historical dangerous air problems, not discourage those that have
invested their treasure in helping reduce the problem.
These "clean" running vehicles don't use a lot of gas, so the gas
tax revenue decreases. It seems right to have these vehicles pay a higher
annual registration fee to offset the gas tax revenues, which are used for road
maintenance and road construction. And while the Legislature is at it, they
should drop the tax credit for buying these vehicles. It was meant to be a
temporary incentive for car manufacturers to design and build "clean"
vehicles. That has been accomplished and people are buying them. It is time to
drop both the federal and state tax incentives.
Exactly the kind of nonsense we've come to expect from GOP lawmakers.
Are we serious about cleaning the air or not? NGV exhaust is cleaner
than the ambient air in SLC. In fact, virtually nothing comes out of the
tailpipe but water vapor. NGVs must be part of any clean-air solution. Electric
(coal-powered) cars shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath. Every
conceivable incentive ought to be in place to get more NGVs on the road -- tax
credits to offset the higher purchase; subsidies on the fuel and FREE
registration. Drivers paid more for NGVs believing the state had already taken
into consideration lost fees and tax revenue in exchange for cleaner air.
Clearly, if drivers make substantial a switch to alternative fuel vehicles, we
will have to find new sources of funding for our roads. However this proposal
is both premature and based on false pretences about alternative fuel vehicles.
As we have seen this winter, however, the dramatic public health consequences
and costs are already present. Several posters have accurately criticized this
fee proposal on alternative fuel vehicles as a property rather than a use tax.
If we analyze use of electric vehicles, for example, more closely we see why
these assumptions are false. The average Nissan Leaf owner drives only 7500
miles year (greencarreports.com 11/2013). If we assume these miles had been
driven with an average sedan with 25mph rating, this would have been 300 gallons
of gas, or $73.50 in utah gas tax ($0.245/gallon). Thus, the current
proposal in our legislator would ask more than twice that of EV owners. Of
course, as many posters have pointed out, small cars put neglible if any wear
on roads, gas or atlernative vehicle. Though reasonable arguments can be
made about upstream costs (coal, carbon) of electric vehicles, what is the
price of cleaner air now?
It's penny-wise and pound-foolish to discourage electric and hybrid
vehicles when we're trying to reduce air pollution. Increasing the gas tax
is a far better solution because it would raise the funds needed to maintain the
roads and encourage both less driving and more fuel-efficient vehicles (which
reduces air pollution). Raising the gas tax and encouraging more efficient
vehicles is the fastest and most economic way to improve our air quality.Any legislator who votes to discourage electric and hybrid vehicles deserves
to lose the next election on that issue alone!