The UHSAA should at least move them up to 3A, despite their enrollment. The
only team to beat them in the state of Utah in 2 years has been Judge last year,
who was 3A then. That simple move would alleviate some of this and they would
find 3A much more competitive than 2A. With the talent they have it is a bit of
joke to have them in 2A, I would agree. But, sometimes teams come around for a
year or two that are just clearly better than anyone else. Look at Lone Peak
last year and Bountiful this year. That does happen.
Private schools have way too much of an advantage in getting good athletes.
What parent, especially those with limited means, wouldn't jump at the
chance to send his/her kid to JD, Judge, or even Wasatch Academy free of
charge?And I like these schools. Much respect for their academic
programs, even sports programs. But they have tools to recruit athletes that
public schools don't have. Here's a possible solution:
4a or 5a for football, soccer and basketball.
Interesting to say the least! If you know the history of Wasatch Academy, for
decades they have never been able to compete in boys basketball, and then all of
the sudden they start to win state championships? Something doesn't feel
right with this one. I think the UHSAA needs to step back and really look at the
situation.Call it what you will, but it is not right!
This is a UHSAA problem. What do the kids from Wasatch Academy care if they win
a state championship? They are on to bigger and better things, like college
ball. Seems extremely unfair for them to compete against kids who have grown up
playing ball and working their tails off, only to be dominated by 5 players
headed to Division 1 basketball. Poor planning by UHSAA and how sportsmanlike
is it to put a team together like this from several countries. Ridiculous.
This is obvious to everyone and has created a nasty environment dragging all
other private schools into the fire.
Sounds very similar to what the utes tried a few years ago when they tried to
In Wasatch Academy's favor, they already have asked to be moved up in the
state classification. The problem is, this has been an issue in 1A for two
decades, and the UHSAA has ignored it or glossed over it despite the fact that
everyone, including the private schools, knew it wasn't fair. Just to be clear, not very private school plays the game this way, some are
very good about not recruiting for sports, and they have up years and down years
like the rest of us.Many kids have been where South Sevier and the
rest of 2A is now. The state may eventually fix the problem, but the kids right
now are getting the shaft. It's sad when a group of kids has worked for
years to reach a goal, and some private school brings in a new group of kids and
changes the entire game.Some states put private schools in their own
category, or make them automatically part of a larger school classification, to
equalize things. Not Utah.
Coach parson is a class act start to finish. I've watched him from his
high school days to Snow to SUU and never seen anything but class. However,
having his kids hold the ball to obtain their goals only shows how miscalculated
his team goals were. Competing is about personal improvement. One is trying to
become the best one can be. A truly great opponent only provides a great
opportunity to challenge yourself at a level a weaker opponent cannot. To hold
the ball and quit in the game sends exactly the opposite message. Wasatch
Academy will certainly win the 2A state championship, but I will admire more
those kids on the opposing teams who play all out, trying to take their game to
levels even they didn't realize they could obtain. Those are the kids that
truly know what it means to compete.
South Sevier shouldn't be the ones complaining when Hunt was there they
were recruiting players from Wayne high school and North Sevier High school
My other question to the UHSAA is this: If Wasatch Academy does not recruit
"athletes" how do you explain the success they have had in the last
three years from players all over the world? Just by chance?
So if "success perpetuates success" as coach Geno Morgon states; what
kind of team will Wasatch Academy have down the road? It seems to me that their
reputation has jumped a mile after this years accomplishments. And; when you can
use kids from around the world, you have a small advantage over other schools
than can only use kids from twenty square miles. Only a small advantage though,
Wasatch Academy should step up on their own and drop out of the 2a tournament.
It's a state tournament not an international tournament. Maybe they could
play the 2a all-star team later on, or challenge Lone Peak. They should just be
in no region and play an independent schedule. That way they don't steal a
championship, and it would be a fun game to play them.
Not trying to add fuel to the fire but, Geno Morgan doesn't even live here.
He comes for four months to coach his team. The rest of his time is probably
spent traveling around recruiting kids to come and play (on an Academic
Scholarship of course). Wasatch academy is not a little unknown boarding school
in Mt Pleasant like people from Utah know it. Celebrities and Diplomats etc have
been sending their kids there for years. I don't know exactly what they
charge but it's in the 10's of thousands per year. This whole blow up
in sports was bound to happen. And if the fight is with the UHSAA and their lax
bylaws then who's to say JD and Judge don't do it either. We all know
the answer to that!
I agree with South Sevier and their stall tactics. We don't have a shot
clock in the UHSAA. They can do what they want. Wasatch could have come out and
played but chose not to. The 2A schools should be upset but Wasatch has abided
by the rules. This will have to be visited by the UHSAA in the offseason.
Small town BBall fan:I did a little research, turns out you nailed
it, Wasatch actually did ask to be independent, the problem is the state
associations all have agreements to NOT play teams that are not in the state
system, and Utah has no way to let them be independent, but remain part of
UHSAA.They also can't drop out of the tourney, due to UHSAA
rules.So again, it's the UHSAA that simply cannot solve the
problem despite 20+ years of complaints and suggestions from coaches.Eventually, the state needs to figure this out. Kids are having their dreams
crushed by the UHSAA and it's glacially slow attempts to do anything
Terrible message sent by South Sevier. You know what would have been a better
message? Win the game! South Sevier was only down 17, most teams at that point
have been down 40 to Wasatch Academy. I have a hard time when South Sevier of
all schools complains and does something as childish as this. They, after all,
have been a dominant program, with multiple titles, and have had seasons where
other teams could not play within 20 points of them. When you play a
team like Wasatch Academy, who has incredible talent, you have two choices. Rise
to their level and beat them, or attempt to rise to their level and fall short.
But quitting? Complaining to the state that 2A basketball needs to have less
talent? That is ridiculous and an embarrassment to small town basketball across
America. This coming from South Sevier? A school with 430 students. I've
seen school's with 25 students in 1A compete much harder, and win. Again,
an embarrassment for small towns everywhere.
The fact remains that private schools DO NOT play by the same rules as the other
schools. Call it what you want, but they have to recruit to get kids. Call them
student athletes if you want, but they are there to play basketball. If they
didn't have their athletic programs, my assumption is that all those kids
are not at Wasatch Academy right now. My challenge to the UHSAA would be to
prove otherwise. I seriously doubt that they can.
The rules are the same for public and private. Public can have International
students beyond one year by the paying of tuition just as they do at private. WA
may or may not be getting tuition from the bb players but I know the other
private schools must have that tuition to pay the bills. This is why their teams
have not dominated.
I don't agree with quitting 3/4 of the way through the game. You send a
completely wrong message about what high school athletics is all about. Yes
they most likely would have lost anyway but those players could have been shown
how to step up their game in small, calculated ways against very good
competition that would have made them better players in the long run. Strength
is built in adversity if you rise to the challenge, and you don't have to
win in order come out of it better than you were before.That being
said, there is a major issue with private schools in high school athletics.
Public school athletic teams choose from a pool of kids inside their school
boundaries. Private school athletic teams choose from a pool of kids
that's basically as large as you want to make it. You get someone that
knows what they're doing to run the athletics department at a private
school, the possibilities are endless on the potential you can reach. Which is
what private schools should be doing. We should encourage private schools to
compete with one another for status but in their own division.
Sounds like sour grapes to me. Parson's son was on the South Sevier team
that got beat out of the state tournament last year. He was expecting his son to
sweep three straight state championships in high school to add to his trophy
case and get more attention from college recruiters. That didn't happen and
his son is now playing at SUU. This is his way of protesting.
@gone fishin, what exactly does Utah or byu have to do with this story? well,
since you went there. Utah sure didn't need any such strategy this year.
They just rolled up the cougs any wich way they felt. expect more of the same in
the future. Just like the old times.
Several states have a rule for private schools that is 'enrollment +1'
So, they play up one classification from their enrollment numbers because of
their inherent ability to recruit students to their school and the fact that
they basically do not have boundaries. Why would this be so hard to do in Utah?
It makes perfect sense to me, and I am sure that 3A would provide better
@Coolio - I don't think you really understand the situation. No one in 2A
is complaining that Wasatch Academy has more talent. That is not the argument.
The fact is that all other 2A public schools have to use the kids that live in
their little towns. They don't get to go out of state and out of the
country to get kids. They simply do not have that option. They have a very
select number of kids and they know that for years prior to them ever getting
into high school. Plain and simply, it is not a level playing field. Wasatch
recruits, public schools can't. You comment that it is an embarrassment is
I don't blame either team/school for what they did or are doing. Both
appear to be operating under the current rules. This is a UHSAA problem that
needs to be fixed. If I was Wasatch, I'd be tired of playing against 2A
teams that only have players from their hometowns. How enjoyable or competitive
can that be? If I was Sevier, I'd be upset too if I had to play against a
team that is basically operating under college recruiting rules. Hardly fair at
all. I don't know the solution but this clearly needs to be
UHSAA is ridiculous in so many ways. Moving schools around like
playing chess. It is crazy!Lets see now, we have 3A and 3AA
football. We have teams playing football in one classification and wrestling in
another. It is just plain crazy and stupid. Then add to this the private schools
who in all reality recruit ALL their students. Academic and sports competitions
are all tainted by private schools ability and necessity to recruit students.
They can hire big dollar coaches and poach the best teachers. They absolutely
must do this in order to make money teaching children. They must offer parents a
better education and better opportunities for scholarships to students or they
will go broke!It is stupid of the UHSAA to continue to think that
the private school sector is not their direct competition!USHAA,
Wake up and smell the skunks in the hen house!
It's sad to me that there is so much conflict over a basketball team. No
one cared that WA was playing with students from around the world when they lost
for over 100 years. Yes, now they are winning. They have an amazing coach who
can teach anyone to play basketball. He has created a great, hard working team.
These boys don't just get games handed to them, they work HARD for it. We
don't play basketball, but we like to watch. We rodeo, in rodeo you
compete against everyone regardless of where they are from. We teach that you
are only as good as your toughest competition. Rather than fight to have that
competition removed, other coaches should be asking for Coach Morgan's
help. They should try to learn from someone who is doing a great job rather
than try to drag that success down. I hope every team wants to win because they
are the best, not because the best didn't play. Every athlete should dream
of winning, not be told they aren't good enough to win. Because, in life,
whether you think you can or you can't you're probably right.
I was at that game to watch WA's potential D1 players. It appeared Morgan
was also sending his message to the UHSAA. He chose to continue the stall,
telling his players to stay back. Interesting, but had he been given the
opportunity by South Sevier, he probably would have done as I have witnessed in
other games this year, continued pressing and stealing in the 4th when up by 40.
Is that teaching sportsmanship? UHSAA should have addressed this issue... not
only for the 2A schools that have to play against some of the best international
(some Jr. Olympic) players that are offered academic scholarships over $40,000
to attend Wasatch Academy, but ALSO to benefit the WA players who aren't
getting better playing 2A basketball. They've proven they would best
contend with the biggest divisions in Utah , beating Orem, Timpview and a 30
point win over the #1 ranked 3A team Morgan. They were averaging scoring 90
points a game against all of the teams this season and beating teams close to an
average of 40 points until before they met up with South Sevier in this game.
I'm sure Morgan would rather better prepare his players for D1.
In the last 10 years South Sevier has a record of 236-37 and 3 State
Championships at the 2A level. Many of those wins and Championships came with
players who moved in and caused controversy in some Southern Utah towns who felt
their players were being recruited away by South Sevier. Not once did I ever
read about another 2A school holding the ball in protest to South Sevier's
dominance. Not once. With a dominating record of 236-37 and 3 state titles, 2 in
the last 3 years, it seems to me that by South Seiver's own argument, they
should drop out of the 2A tournament this year and allow another "small
town" a chance to win. By their own argument South Sevier should also be
moved up in classification. They are too good for 2A as well, with a much longer
track record than WA in 2A dominance.
This is the same old problem that has existed for years. It happens even in
charter school situations. In the European professional basketball leagues a
team can only have up to a certain number of American or foreign athletes on
their team. Maybe we should limit high school teams to 2 foreign players. This
is really all about making the playing field as level as possible for all the
schools. Normally, the more kids you have in school the more athletes you have
to choose from. It certainly goes up and down over the years, but to be in a
position that allows a school to recruit kids and give them "academic"
scholarships knowing that they would like to play basketball too, creates an
unlevel playing field for small schools that have to make do with what they have
in terms of talent. The UHSSA needs to put them into their own classification.
They can schedule any team they want on a non-league basis and play them. The
original intent of high school athletics in the state has certainly changed-- do
the best you can with who you have, up-down, good or bad , enjoy the ride and
3A doesn't want them!!!!! They already beat Morgan, at Morgan, by 30
points earlier in the year. Morgan is ranked #1. This is such a bogus
situation. Everyone knows they're recruiting kids. I would take it 1 step
further and all of the 2A tournament teams should just not take the floor for
any games against them. That will force UHSAA to do something about this sham!!
If Wasatch Academy wants to play up a classification or two why not let them?
Are 3a and 4a worried about having to play them? Is the UHSAA worried about the
noise 3a or 4a would make if they had to deal with Wasatch Academy? JD and Judge
Memorial both have football and try to compete in all sports, WA focuses on
basketball and obviously finds/attracts/(whatever you want to call it)
basketball players and basketball players only from all over the world. Not all
over the country, or all over Utah, or all over the Wasatch Front, but all over
the world. Sure they attract a few others for academics like they always have,
but there's definitely a focus on attracting basketball players from around
the world right now. Don't compare them to the Catholic schools,
they're doing something a little bit different with basketball.
The problem with moving them up to a higher division would only balance the
situation for the immediate future. Just because they are a private school
doesn't necessarily mean that they'll consistently get good basketball
players. In some ways, they have it harder than a public school. They can only
give away so much in scholarship money towards basketball, and if there
isn't significant draw to their school, then they'll end up hurting
like all the other teams. It's the same issue colleges face. Meanwhile,
when enrollment at public schools is higher, those teams benefit from a broader
base of talent. True, a private school can be a little more focused if they have
a specific need for their team, but history's shown that the most talented
players have come from the most humble of backgrounds.
@RocketmanYou're point would be more valid had a 2A team besides one
that has recruited in the past were the ones to "make a statement" about
how another school shouldn't be able to recruit.@county momDo you know the reason why the UHSAA went to the six classifications in
football? Because a couple schools complained relentlessly that things
weren't fair because they were the smallest schools in 3A. So now those
schools got their way and we have 3A schools competing in 2A in all other sports
which is ok now they're the biggest schools in the classification.The UHSAA needs to 1)Set enrollment and stick with it no matter who whines and
complains, 2)No split classifications and 3)Make private schools either play in
their own classification or enrollment +1.
It warms my heart to see Manti fans telling teams they should drop out. the
biggest school in 2a isn't winning so lets get the good teams to drop out
so they can have a chance. awesome love the great folks from good old Manti.
The story and probably outcome will be different if the Rams play Wasatch
Academy in the state tournament. Wasatch was highly rated two years ago and got
knocked off by Richfield in the state quarterfinals. Parsons is holding the
cards close to his chest and will unleash SS small ball at the state tournament.
Well if they have recruited players from both Illinois and Chicago we better do
The biggest thing that this points out is Utah high schools need a shot clock.
Also, 4a and 5a haven't ever dealt with anything quite like this.
They've dealt with a few kids moving from California or maybe around the
Wasatch Front. Judge Memorial plays 3A football but is 4A in other sports, Kanab
plays 1A football but is 2A in other sports, Delta and Manti play 3A football
but are 2A in everything else. There should be now problem with letting Wasatch
Academy play in a bigger classification, especially if they want to. It makes no
sense not to let them, and the only reason there could possibly be for not
letting them is that 3a, 4a, and 5a are worried about having them in their
Those who are crying sour grapes about South Sevier are quite oblivous to the
real concern being addressed in this article and added other comments. My
biggest concern is that the UHSAA will take years to solve this issue and allow
time to slip away from the kids who are playing now. Their time is running
out....as we can witness from the other comments that time has been stolen from
far to many. Is there somewhere concerned parents and fans can contact the
UHSAA....where they WILL get the MESSAGE!!! NOW!!! Let us know...so we can let
our voices CAN be heard.
Also, private schools should be able to apply to other classifications, if there
is a penalty for being Independent. Wasatch Academy could apply to 3A, 4A or 5A.
I agree Ltrain. Send Wasatch the trophy and hold a separate tournament.
@ Coolio - You are missing the whole argument by a mile! The kids that helped to
win a state championship for South Sevier were from..(drum roll
please)...Monroe! These were kids whose parents, grandparents, and many time
great-grandparents live there and went to the same school. It is about community
pride. It is about small town kids growing up, putting on their school uniform,
and playing for the people they live with. Much different than a school like
Wasatch Academy that has no identity. When those kids leave, they leave. There
is no legacy, no community pride, no younger kids in the community to look up to
older kids. That is what small town basketball is all about. And if you lived
there, or went to school there, you would understand that.
@Rocketman1986I do understand the situation. Problem is there will
never be an even playing field. In 1A you have schools of nearly 200 students
competing against schools with 20. Ten times as large. You have different
districts within the public system that place handicaps on their own athletic
programs with travel restrictions, facility restrictions, etc. Private schools
have a whole host of problems that public schools do not have. A recession can
pretty much close them down over night. Many have had to close down just in the
last 5 years. Most have meager facilities, very low athletic budgets, etc... how
will Private schools compete with each other? Are you going to place Judge with
a tiny 1A Private who has 30 students? The issue is complex. To WA's credit
they have offered to go independent, but denied by the UHSAA.My
issue with this particular story is how South Sevier handled it. It makes me
sick that Parsons took an opportunity away from his kids. They quit. That is the
ONLY "mockery" that has been made of 2A and small town basketball. WA
competes where they are told. Right now it is 2A. They don't just quit.
Here I thought the statement was going to be about the need for a shot clock. I
think they should have one. It doesn't have to be even a 35-second shot
clock such as in college, but something to keep games reasonable. A 60-second
shot clock should put no pressure on an offense that is doing anything other
than trying to hold the ball. Just sayin...
Why can't the private schools play themselves? If they don't want to
belong to the public system, then why do we allow them to compete with public
schools? One solution I heard, was to hand the "Championship Trophy" to
Wasatch and then start the 2-A Tournement. There are four to five teams in 2-A
that could battle fairly for the best hometown 2-A team.
If a private school doesn't have to abide by the same rules as a public
school, then why are private schools allowed to compete with the public schools?
I don't have a problem with private schools but if the same rules
don't apply then why are they competing in sports with public schools?
They've been around for 139 years. They aren't going to be shut down
over night. The UHSAA makes alignment changes all the time. As long as they have
Coach Morgan they're are going to be able to at least compete in 3a if not
4a and 5a. That's what they want. Let them do it, unless your scared
they'll take state championships away from the bigger classifications too.
Coolio, You need to think things through a little. What you're
arguing is exactly what we're saying. It doesn't matter the size of
the school! If you have the advantage of bringing people in from anywhere
without boundaries, then you have an unfair advantage. If WA had 20 kids they
could still do what they are doing with a few hundred! Not one of those players
are attending WA because of the education, location,or size of the school. You
would know that if you have watched any of their games. A public school with 20
kids playing a public school with 199 kids is still more fair than playing a
private school who brings players from Chicago and Europe to play for them.
It's not a public schools fault that a recession causes problems for
private schools. Private schools are in it for the Money! They will find any
angle they can to get bigger like any business would. Athletics is a very good
way to advertise.
@Central Utah - Time is running out on small town kids because of Wasatch
Academy? Well, Parsons ran off 8 straight minutes down 17 points. His players,
and especially his seniors won't get that time back. No fault of WA.@Bulldog26 - Did South Sevier really win all those games and titles with
just "Monroe" kids? That's another discussion, but no they did
not.Lastly, "Small Town" basketball will never be the same
as it once was. You can try to hold on to the traditions, but inevitably things
change. You can't assume that only a "small town" kid appreciates
and respects and cherishes a state title. That's offensive, and ridiculous.
Private school kids cherish them equally. Kids are kids. So few get the
opportunity anyway public or private. HS sports is about teaching. When did we
forget that? For Coach Parsons to "teach" that holding the ball for the
final quarter and quitting, simply because he achieved "his" goal, not
to lose by tons of points is the sad story here. He took precious time from both
his own and WA's kids to compete against one another to send his
"own" message. Sad.
Here in Spokane Gonzaga prep has approximately 800 students and should play 2A.
However, they choose and are allowed to play up; 4A. That makes a whole lot more
sense. They are one of the better 4A schools in the state and won state in boys
basketball 2 years ago. Private schools should play each other, or not at all.
It's not fair to the public schools. Which team talks more smack, has the
most arrogant players, coaches and parents here in Spokane? Gonzaga Prep, and
it's not even close.
@Spokane UteSounds like the only things Gonzaga Prep and Wasatch
Academy have in common is they're both private schools. I can't speak
for every game they've played, but the games I've seen WA play they
have been very good sports, they play the game the right way and with the
exception of one maybe two team members I've never seen, heard them or have
opposing players mention any trash talk.
@Coolio Yes the situation with WA is stealing time from the seniors, juniors,
sophomores and freshman from ALL of 2A not just South Sevier. You criticize
Parsons for making a statement!?....a statement that was heard by the whole
state?! A meeting was called the next day just about the WA situation! So
really was the lesson to quit, whine, complain or cry because it wasn't
fair or was it a different message. A message to go against what you know is
wrong. To fight your competive nature and teach your kids to stand up something
even when they know they will face adversity!!!....I think the Kids, the
community and even the state got the message. Now lets get the UHSAA to do
something about it. Will they have the same courage Coach Parsons and the Boys
had. I even think Coach Morgan showed some bravery trying to change the
Coach Parsons did the only thing that would force the 'big wigs' at
the state level to look closely at the situation. He did not break any
rules-like someone said, there is no shot clock. He kept his team from being
embarrassed, and you can bet that his team will play hard the rest of the
season, having made their point to the state. I wish them the best as they go
I am amazed at the actions of this coach. There are private schools all over and
those schools have advantages. Deal with it. Figure out a way to beat or at
least compete with this giant. Be willing to stand up to this great program. We
don't want to teach our athletes to give up. I am disgusted by this story.
If I were a parent I would be furious. Time for a new coach who is willing to
take on all challenges, not just the small ones.
Congratulations coach, you just taught your kids its ok to quit. If this coach
has a problem with Wasatch and the UHSAA, then deal with it off the court. And
by the way, who cares if you loose by 40? A lot can happen in a quarter. Play
the game, and stop worrying about winning. Bad, bad, bad example!
Mr. Doug Robinson,Don't forget that 3A sports have the same
problem and issues as 2A, 4A, & 5A with private schools. We have had to deal
with playing Judge and Juan Diego (who both recruit) for many, many years. I
don't agree with the stalling tactic of S.S., but at least it has us
commenting and talking about the issue - which has been swept under the rug for
too long!Come on UHSAA!! Quit ignoring this! Do it for the many
student athletes who were not "recruited".Thanks,
kanak.attack and others.
Judge asked to move up to 4A in all sports except football to control costsif WA asked, really asked to move up a couple of classes, I have to
think it would have been allowed, especially with the knowledge that it would be
more competitive for the kids and knowing full well that their coach is trying
to create a basketball prep school just like all the schools you hear about on
bball recruiting day.I highly doubt they pushed for a higher
@ Coolio - Just curious...did you play, or attend a small town high school? By
small town I mean 2A or smaller?
Let me say again, public schools can have international students as well by them
paying tuition as in private schools . As for private schools in it for the
money comment shows total lack of knowledge and motive. I know LCA was started
and remains to allow God in the mix and I assure you there is a daily struggle
with cash flow to keep that option open for those who want it.
The UHSAA has had committees study this and they have said that there is no way
to even do an equitable "Private School" league. I wouldn't look
for change anytime soon. The fact is that Parsons is probably one of the top 5
ooaches in the state and he needs to be supported to fight against this
injustice. I wouldn't want to meet the rams in the state tourney.
@CoolioI guess I see it a little differently. Cudos to Coach
Parsons for having the guts to stand up and do SOMETHING! It's about time
someone did. Coincidentally the very next day principals met at the offices of
the UHSAA to discuss the situation with Wasatch Academy. You bash on Parsons
but perhaps he taught his kids something bigger, like taking a stand against
something that isn't right even if it means some criticism. Wasatch Academy
"toyed" with North Sevier most of the first half of their game. Their
future D1 PG didn’t play until midway through the 2nd quarter. It was
obvious that the WA players were just messing around. Geno gave them the signal
near the end of the 2nd qtr and then they flipped the switch. Final score?
93-38, 53 points and WA pressed at least up until the last 2 minutes when I
left. You say Parsons hurt his kids? Quite possibly he saved them some
humiliation and embarrassment. His players can hold their heads up and have the
satisfaction of knowing they did as they were asked and maybe they will have
made a difference and UHSAA will finally be forced to do something.
From a 1A perspective we were trying to point out the same issues as the 2A and
South Sevier are now. We were told that we were "complaining" and we
needed to "do a better job possibly coaching our programs". I was even
at a meeting where the 2A representation had the attitude of "your program
must not be good enough" when there was conversation about Wasatch Academy
beating up on 1A. Well touche'. Maybe some of the 2A school should
"invest more in their programs". Maybe they should stop complaining.
Either way it doesn't matter. What matters is now you see what 1A was
trying to point out. Hopefully 2A will get the same treatment as 1A did when
this subject was brought up........lesson learned.
Create an independent status for non-public financed and not district
constrained schools. Require that their conference schedule include 50% schools
of their own size , 25% one size large and 25% two sizes larger, none playing
down a bracket even for out of conference/pre-season. Waive that only the year
after a losing season. Require all the larger classifications to accept
scheduling of independents by percentage such that the schools would be assured
competition and allow the games to count toward playoffs. Allow schools in their
size classification the right to only schedule them once a season without
As a graduate from Manti High School, and part of a football team that beat a
private recruiting school for a state championship (Juan Diego 2003) the one
thing we knew is that we would take on any competitor. I think a move like this
questions the heart of the coach. You can beat a private school. What is the
ultimate end game? They get a good education but can't play ball in their
region? Step up and find a way to win.
People in this state are sending a wrong message to the students and coaches of
Wasatch when all they do is complain and ridicule them. What kind of example are
you setting about our values and attitudes towards others? That is not what the
predominate religion in this state teaches and I would hope at this year's
state tournament you will all be a little more courteous and respectful of these
students who work just as hard as all the other players. I think it's
interesting that the only ones that seem to complain about the private schools
are the 2A schools. They're not at any more of a disadvantage than the 3A
schools but they do the most whining and complaining about how unfairly they are
treated. At last year's championship game Gunnison High played the very
best they could, worked hard and gave the Tigers a good run for their money.
They didn't give up or whine and complain about how unfair the game was.
They were a class act. Too bad the rest of you 2A schools can't follow
their example. Go Tigers!!
So we have a school (South Sevier) that is well known for recruiting other
communities kids to play basketball. They are extremely successful by doing
this, winning the majority of their games and state championships. Now, because
another school(WA)recruits better than them, South Sevier is now refusing to
play them for 4 quarters. Their reasoning for this is to get the UHSAA to remove
them from the 2A classification? Is this really what I'm reading? Are we to
assume that South Sevier has never enticed another communities ball player to
come to their school? SS has brought this attention to themselves by doing
this.And let's not forget that this story may go viral. Their
is a racial element to this as well that nobody is talking about. Most of the
country will be reading that an all white team in Utah is refusing to play an
all black team because the black team recruits. The UHSAA refutes this
allegation. Yet the same recruiting allegations are made against SS from nearby
communities. So, recruiting a Utah kid is less illegal than say a kid from
Chicago. This could look very bad in the national media.
People in this state are sending a wrong message to the students and coaches of
Wasatch when all they do is complain and ridicule them. What kind of example are
you setting about our values and attitudes towards others? That is not what the
predominate religion in this state teaches and I would hope at this year's
state tournament you will all be a little more courteous and respectful of these
students who work just as hard as all the other players. I think it's
interesting that the only ones that seem to complain about the private schools
are the 2A schools. They're not at any more of a disadvantage than the 3A
schools but they do the most whining and complaining about how unfairly they are
treated. At last year's championship game Gunnison High School played the
very best they could, worked hard and gave the Tigers a good run for their
money. They didn't give up or whine and complain about how unfair the game
was. They were a class act. Too bad the rest of you 2A schools can't
follow their example.
Wasatch Academy can be beat! Start the game with a stall if you get possession,
if you don't get possession, stall till the last few seconds are on the
clock and go for the tie or win with the last shot! Teams that are inferior in
players sometime pull the huge upsets. 1980 USA Hockey team!There
is some precedence of playing up a classification. For years Waterford played
3A soccer, even winning a state championship. The plus one idea for private
schools is certainly an attractive option.
To give some perspective from the other side:Wasatch's sports
team have always been diverse, it's simply a reflection of the
school's student body as a whole. When there was just one excellent player
from a foreign country there were no allegations of being "brought in"
to play. There were just as many international players when they were losing
terrible in 1A. Also, look at WA's other athletic teams. This season, the
baseball team gave up 146 runs in the season while only batting in 7. That is
beyond terrible. There is no doubt that the basketball team is well above 2A
caliber, but keep in mind other sports.I also see people concerned
with WA dashing the dreams of small town kids in Utah. There are kids at WA who
also come from similar communities. They too grew up wanting to play high
school ball and win a championship. They may not be from Utah, but I'd bet
if you had the opportunity to meet these young men you'd find you have more
similarities than differences.Yes, the system is broken. Let's
fix that. In the mean time, let the kids play.
@ Working SharkDid it ever occur to you to notice that South Sevier
has been toying with North Sevier for several years. I just looked up some
scores and see 30 and 40 point blow-out wins for South Sevier over North Sevier.
What's the difference? As long as they were Utah kids it's okay? For
South Sevier to complain about point differential is a "Mockery." South
Sevier had a team that beat 5A Fremont by 15 points a few years back and have
amassed over 230 wins in less than 10 years, many of those wins coming by 40
points or more over helpless 2A teams. And we are all to believe that all that
success was with players strictly from Monroe? Laughable. @Central
UtahOvercoming adversity is not attained through "Quitting."
This nonsense that Parsons sparked a meeting about how to deal with WA is
laughable. Meetings about what to do with Private schools have been going on for
20 years. But rest assured, because private schools have only won 6 boys
basketball championships in both 1A and 2A combined over the last 100 years.
That's astounding. Based on that stat it's the Private's who are
at a disadvantage big time.
That's the answer, punish the school for being successful. It states in the
article that only 5 years ago Wasatch Academy couldn't win a basketball
game. They somehow figure out the way to put a winner team together. It seems
like the other teams need to work on getting better instead of punishing the
team for winning. Better yet just stop keeping score and give everyone a trophy.
If the average commenter here was in charge, the movie Hoosiers would've
ended in a protest. So it's not fair. I get that. I grew up
poor and watched as friends went to school on their parent's dime. These
kids had lessons, cars, non-stop electricity, and parents who were around to
help with homework, and somehow I was supposed to go out into the real world and
compete with them.Seems to me the point of an education should not
be to make sure everyone has a chance in the state tournament, but to build
character and life skills--maybe the most important of which is how to confront
obstacles and cope with failures. I have no problem with either of
the coaches wanting the system changed. We all should try to make things better.
But do it in a meeting with the grown ups, don't shut your kids down to
make a point. Teach the kids to play until the final minute, because the world
will reward those who do and not those who give up when it's not fair.
Coolio, please look into ALL the North Sevier VS South Sevier scores. North Sevier has had a hard time with basketball, mostly because a lot of the
kids there are big strong hard working kids, tossing hay and working fields is
hard work. They have had an amazing wrestling team for years. I believe it
has been several years since South Sevier won the "Battle of the Ax" As for recruiting basketball players from North Sevier, there was only
one boy last year and his mother actually lives here. Same thing with the 2
Wayne County boys several years ago. It is not like their parents drove them an
hour or more over snow covered roads so they could attend South Sevier. They
moved here too! We moved here too. My kids were not recruited but they wrestled
and played ball.Like every other small school out in the middle of nowhere
Utah, South Sevier has to teach those children that live here.If they move here
they can play and believe me people don't just move here so their kid can
play. People who can afford to do that don't move here.
If you're waiting for the UHSSA to do something, don't hold your
breath. They're quite inept at fixing anything.
The only immediate message Central Utah that might need to be passed is South
Sevier's coach should be suspended and fined. I do think the
enrollment + 1 is a good idea. Other states times private school enrollment by
1.5 and then reclassify from there. Each case would move them up a
classification. But I think holding the ball and not competing is
not the way to deal with this and teaches the long lesson to young men.
I said this many times, and I will say it again. WE NEED A SHOT CLOCK! When I
went down to the San Diego Surf 'n Slam Tournament a couple of years ago,
the team I was working with had a blast playing with a shot clock. Plus, it made
the whole game more fun and exciting to watch. I wish coaches don't make
their team hold the ball for the entire quarter. Fans want to see action, and
yet Wasatch are letting fans down. UHSAA, please please please put in a Shot
Clock so we don't have to see teams holding the ball for entire quarters.
Funny how all the comments about sour grapes and just play the best you can are
from people in big schools up north. It's not fair and it will never be
fair for too many reasons to list. Recruiting costs money and public schools
don't have that money. Put the teams that have unlimited resources and can
recruit in their own division and let them have at it. Maybe they can get in
with the private schools in Vegas and really have a go at it. Coachs and fans
have complained and complained and no one listens--so Coach Parson did something
out of the box. It got some attention and that is what it is going to take.
Maybe they need to really step it up and everyone refuse to play the private
schools and take a loss, maybe that would finally get it done.
Sounds to me like Parson was beat before he went into the game, not his team.
Don't know about others, but, as a coach, even if I thought we were going
to get killed, I would do my best to prepare my players to give it their all and
try and compete. Football teams in Nevada face the same issue.
Both of the state champions in their top 2 classifications are private schools
(Bishop Gorman - top 5 team in the nation & Faith Lutheran). The funny
thing is the little ol' football team in Mesquite (the Bulldogs) beat Faith
Lutheran in the regular season even though FL has money and recruits. One
thing is for sure, you don't win any of the games you quit!Now,
what do the players from SS do should they make it to the next level? I believe
in college they recruit and the better teams and schools with money get the best
players. Hope they don't go into stall mode in college?The
most important thing at the high school level is COACHING, period. It was out of
line for Parsons to use boys to make his point.
How did South Sevier get a away with playing with kids from Wayne County and
North Sevier in the 3-peat blowing teams away by 30-40 points a game? Don't
tell me they were not recruited to come play on the team? They just don't
show up and live with grandma and grandpa for no reason?
Don't get me wrong I think that there needs to be a private school division
in the UHSAA, but South Sevier shouldn't be the one throwing such because
they have been recruiting for years and blowing out team just like Wasatch
Academy is now
@ Coolio - I still have not seen an answer as to whether you went to a small,
rural school. Also, I witnessed a classic battle between long time
rivals in the 2A classification. Can down to the final buzzer. The crowd was
amazing from both communities; students, parents, grandparents, and friends.
Exactly what small town basketball is all about.
@johnson. Shot clocks dont make people play. They still could have held the
ball till the shot clock expired and then not played defense.
Does the UHSAA have power to move Wasatch Academy up to 4A or 5A, and to do so
in time for this year's state tournament? Move them up. Keep looking into
whether there is any recruiting for athletics going on, but in the meantime,
move them up. Innocent until proven guilty.
"Morgan denies that the school recruits athletes and, as he notes, they
don’t have to recruit anyway because success perpetuates success, luring
other top players to the school."Oh, please!
Next time start the stall in the first quarter. Make them foul you. Hit your
free throws. Win the game. :)
To all those who have accused South Sevier of recruiting, please look at a map
of Utah. Richfield is the only town close enough for someone to live
in and drive to Monroe every day. Believe me there are far more kids driving to
Richfield from Monroe to school, then from anywhere else to Monroe.You got
to live here to go to school here.
I think all that can be said on the subject has been said. Just want to
establish two things. Clearly this is the UHSAA'S fault not Wasatch's
and the other is that something needs to change. Also any team can beat any team
I grew up in Oklahoma... A few years ago, that State had the same
issues.There was a small 'Christian' school in the OKC
area that played 'small ball' because of their enrollment. However...
they had three future NBA stars including Blake Griffen and his brother. They killed everyone!
@Coolio Thanks! It is refreshing to see that nothing ever changes because
attitudes in the UHSAA closely mirrors yours. It is OK to have different rules
for different teams. For some reason I thought we were all asked to compete
with the same rules and if your team is better then mine (following those SAME
rules) then so be it(like the hoosiers story). But it is clear that I was
mistaken. If one or a group of teams can recruit (for academic reasons), pay
players to play and bring them in from any place (in the world) at anytime WHILE
the other group has to follow rules like living in their community, being there
for a certain period of time before they can play. Coaches, principals and
schools being punished if they break these rules and they must obey other
transfer rules...etc, etc, etc. I am sorry that I thought these differences
were uneven or unfair rule differences. I was clearly wrong...thanks for the
-To the guy from the 2003 Manti team who talked about beating Juan Diego in the
championship....I saw that game and we played Juan Diego the week before in the
semi finals. They were a good team but they were beatable. WA is not Juan Diego.
It could be argued Manti recruited a little themselves that year. You need to
see WA for your self. This is recruiting on a whole different level than what
Juan Diego or Judge was/is doing. Parsons is a good coach, he teaches his kids
to win. They needed to get the state's attention and they did. It was a
sacrifice and not an easy one to make. Something that needed to be done. Next
time they play they'll compete. South Sevier has had success with South
Sevier kids. Don't chalk South Seviers' success up to recruiting.
Maybe a kid moved over from Koosharem or Salina one time, which are only about a
half an hour away with tiny populations(not Atlanta or Chicago). Don't
compare that to JD, JM, or WA. It's not even close to the same.
I can't wait to see 3a and 4a cry and whine and complain when WA finally
gets up there. 3a and 4a think they've dealt with WA because they've
dealt with JD and JM. Wasatch is recruiting on a whole new level. You can't
compare the 3 schools. Wasatch Academy would already be in 3a and 4a if the
UHSAA wasn't afraid of all the cry babyin they KNOW they'd hear from
the city school if they let WA up. 3a and 4a don't want Wasatch Academy
anymore than 1a and 2a do.
@ King's Court - You nailed it right on the head! I find it hard to say
that success perpetuates success when during the period of 2004-2008 they won
less than 15 games total. You go from that to dominating 1A then dominating 2A
in a five year period? Hmmmm
@coltenjohnsonRecruiting is recruiting. It doesn't matter if
its across the county, the neighboring county or across the
country/internationally. It's still against the rules. Just because the
kids S.Sevier recruited somehow managed to prove their hardship to the UHSAA
doesn't change anything. Call a spade a spade.
It does matter
A 2A team cannot beat WA! It is that out of balance. I've watched every
team in 2A and they just do not come close to Wasatch. It's simply the
truth and every team, every player, and every smart coach knows this. What
Coach Parsons did wasn’t quitting, it was simply conceding. It happens all
the time in sports. Its ok!Rural high schools are limited by
geographical boundaries, for Wasatch Academy it's borders are limitless and
don’t be confused they have worked very hard to fill their boys basketball
roster with college bound, D-1 type players. What is confusing is the disparity
between the quality of their boys basketball team and any of their other
athletic programs. Their other teams don't win any region games. There is
no balance! What every player, coach, and team wants is balance and
fairness, you know, A CHANCE! And that is exactly what no team but one has this
year in 2A boys basketball. It's simply the fact. It's not right,
its not fair, and everybody involved knows it.
I'm a little embarrassed by this. First of all, school is about getting an
education, everything else comes second. WA gives individuals a great shot at a
good education. If they can get more individuals to their school through
athletics, kudos to them. Secondly, I went to school in Juab, and thanks to
Juab's location we were placed with the northern schools region and always
played a few private schools. Juab is definitely a rural school, but once the
private schools came around we were taught to compete. We welcomed the
opportunity to play against the recruiting private schools to see how good we
really were. The gyms were ruckus, the games were competitive, but more
importantly we competed. To be the best, you have to beat the best, and even
better, if you aren't the best it's not the end of the world. To win a
championship that means you have to be the best, I just can't see where the
glory is in saying, "we won the championship over our neighbors after we
forced the best team to not play anymore."
@Getedu You nailed it. My disappointment is the grouping of all private schools
in this rage. I have the same concerns as the others about WA but the over
reaction towards the other private schools who respect both the rules and the
spirit of the rules takes the eye off the ball. In both 1a and 2a the only team
besides WA that can even compete is LCA and they are so so.
By design, Private or Charter schools have to "recruit" kids to go to
their schools. That is a fact. Whether it is for an education or to play
athletics, they have to reach out to kids and parents to get the numbers and the
money that they need. I see advertisements all the time for these schools. That,
my friends, is recruiting!Any way you spin it, it is recruiting!Compare that to the public schools. They have a defined geographical boundary
and they CAN NOT openly ask kids from other school boundaries to come to their
school, especially for athletics. A kid from Panguitch can't drive over to
Piute and play ball. It doesn't work like that.However, if you
are a private institution, you can go anywhere (in state, out of state, out of
country) to get kids. Call it education if you want, but it is still recruiting.
No different than a college. It is about enrollment numbers and ultimately about
money. (And in this case, recruiting athletes and winning basketball games!)
Public schools can get International students also ,they simply choose not to
and that's ok. But stop making false arguments.
I have an idea for you UHSAA. We are so tired of seeing these annual arguments
about kids coming from here and there. Here are two suggestions for you:1. Play where you live. Athletics are a privilege, not a right. Yes the
state legislature mandates that a student can choose where they want to go to
school. Athletics are an outside privilege from the academic side, so "play
where you live" would actually work. A student can go wherever they want to
for academics, but there is no reason why you cannot implement athletic policies
supporting "play where you live". 2. Do not allow AAU
coaches to coach high school basketball. And if they do, any player that played
for them in AAU cannot play for them at the high school that they coach at.
There are several other states that already have this policy adopted, why are
you guys lagging behind?Put some actual thought into realignment.
Don't do what is "easiest" for you guys, do what is "best"
for kids. One last thought. Get a shot clock, it's long
Maybe the UHSSA should just remove all boundries and recruiting rules for high
school athletics. That would "level" the playing field. Then we could
enter into the discussion how "club" basketball teams would be best. I
have no problem with WA having a great team and their players having a great
"educational" experience along with playing basketball. My problem is
with the application of the "rules" by the UHSSA in regards to the issue
of being able to "recruit". Perhaps we should limit the number of
non-resident players that can be on a team based on their normal classification
- 1 player for 1A, 2 players for 2A , 3 players for 3A ....This
discussion isn't about how many points WA beats other teams by-- its about
maintaining the integrity and original intent of high school sports- play with
what you have, when you have them, good or bad up or down.. Recruitment of
players has no place in high school athletics.
@Bulldog26Actually a kid from Panguitch can drive to Piute and go to
school. He/she can also play any sport or participate in any school activity.
It's called open enrollment and as long as that student starts at Piute and
stays there, there is no problems according to the UHSAA. Now if they after lets
say the freshman year decide to go back to Panguitch then they have to prove a
hardship case in order to participate in extra-curricular activities, but not to
@Proud to be AmericanI agree with your post except for the not
allowing students to play for their AAU coach. In rural communities that could
eliminate an entire high school team from competing. Plus it's not needed
if kids play were they live.
Fair doesn't exist. Fair is a fairy tale. If everything was fair we would
all have equal talent, we would all play the same quality of ball. Each time two
teams faced off it would end in a tie and no one would win a championship of any
kind because to be fair we would all have to win or all have to lose.
Championships are rare, they're supposed to be hard to win if they
weren't they wouldn't mean anything. I am in no way condoning how WA
built their roster, but they're here and 2A has to play them at least for
now. We don't have to like it, pretend it's ok or support it.
What I have a problem with is so many willing to call WA on recruiting and turn
a blind eye to others who have done it because it was done in a semi-local
sphere and not a global one. That is hypocrisy no matter how you slice it. Like
I said earlier any team can be beaten even WA as unlikely as it is, its not an
impossibility unless you conceded defeat before the game starts.
@ Me, Myself, and I - Please correct me if I am wrong, but I was of the
understanding that current UHSAA rules allow students the choice of enrolling in
any high school of their choice regardless of where they live as long as the
choice is personal, academic, hardship-related, or other unusual
circumstances.The open enrollment policy specifically states
students may NOT enroll outside the boundaries of which they reside if it is for
extra-curricular or athletic participation. The enrollment of the student must
then be approved and signed by the principals of both the current resident
school and also the new receiving school.
Me Myself and I:That is not what is happening here. If you look at
the rosters at WA the past few years, it is easy to see that they are not
bringing in freshmen, they are bringing in upper classmen as well, and there is
no way a public school can do that, by rule, or by budget. They don't have
the cash to advertise in foreign places, or recruit from foreign leagues. And here's the point everyone is ignoring...Even WA is
admitting they should be playing up, or even outside the system; they asked to
be permitted to do so. But the UHSAA is dragging their feet and hurting the
kids at ALL 2A schools by not making it happen.
@Me, myself, and I - Curious...how many "rural" teams actually play
competitive AAU basketball for a coach who is also their high school coach? Not
asking to be ignorant, just curious how many there are.
@Me, myself, and I - I will ask you the same question that I posed to @ Coolio:
Are you from, or did you attend, a rural high school?
Firstly, I went to South Sevier High School and South Sevier Middle School and
Monroe Elementary! So those of you who are attacking or speaking harshly of my
high school may not understand the pride and camaraderie that is apart of the
basketball program. I have known Coach Parsons personally for many years and I
grew up with him and his wife as teachers. They are both wonderful people and I
know that whatever the reason he had for choosing to do this it was sound.Secondly, IRS Agent the Parsons' were thrilled to have their son go
to SUU. Thirdly, 1-5aFan we never recruited from either Wayne or
North Sevier High Schools. The students that came to our school came because of
family reasons not to play sports (I know many of those students personally).Lastly 2A is a very competitive division, and teams that dominate as WA
does with such ease do not belong there! They are not benefiting themselves or
the teams they play. In this division sports affect the community not just the
school, everyone gets involved in some way.
Me, Myself and I"Fair doesn't exist. Fair is a fairy tale.
If everything was fair we would all have equal talent, we would all play the
same quality of ball. Each time two teams faced off it would end in a
tie"You are confusing "fair" with "equal". Fair
doesn't mean the results are equal, fair means the chances of any given
result are equal. It means we play by the same rules. Things will
never be totally fair, but the rules should be, and right now, they aren't,
because the way private schools operate is different from the way public schools
are allowed to do, under the rules.This is not about wrong or right
in terms of what the schools are doing, it is about the competitive advantage
gained when a school has the ability and even the mission of recruiting VERY
high caliber athletes to come play for them, while other schools are literally
prohibited from doing so by rule and by the fact that they use public money.
And then requiring them to play each other, despite the fact that BOTH teams
admit the fact that it isn't "fair".
@ Rural sports fan - You nailed it! Couldn't agree more.
First off I think I'm being misunderstood. I am not in any way in favor or
supporting WA and what they've done. There needs to be a change made to
prevent this from happening again. I'm a all in type of person, to me a
half truth is a whole lie, right is right and wrong is wrong. To me there is no
difference between recruiting Utah kids or international kids. Obviously there
is a big difference in the caliber of athlete being recruited by WA and those
who were recruited by S. Sevier. All I was trying to do is get people to look at
I am associated with a school who is directly impacted by WA so I'm not a
city guy who doesn't understand the negative impact this has had on rural
kids/schools. To answer Bulldog26, yes I did attend a rural school. I have
great respect for Coach Parsons, he is a class act, but I don't agree 100%
with how he handled the situation. I feel he set great goals for the game, but
wining should have been one of them. One good thing he did do is he may have
given his and other teams a recipe to knock of WA. The stall may be boring to
watch but limiting WA's possessions is a really good idea and it may back
fire if WA comes out and plays man to man and is able to force a lot of
turnovers. Finally whats going on isn't right, but its the hand 2A has been
dealt at least for now, hopefully things change but until then lets play ball
and give our best effort to win every game.
@Rocketman 1986I was speaking figuratively. I have only known one
rural coach in my life who coached a summer league team that he took to AAU like
tournaments, but it was AAU. I was just saying that if the UHSAA implemented a
play were you live rule the other rule concerning AAU coaches wouldn't be
The thing I hate about Wasatch is they taint what would be a great state
tournament. Without them I can count at least twelve teams who would have a shot
at this years title ( So. Summit, Emery, Grand, Gunnision, Merit Academy, LCA,
Enterprise, Parawon,Beaver, Manti, San Juan, So Sevier). All of them have hardly
any chance against Wasatch. I would compare it to Weber St. beating Alabama in
football. How fun or rewarding can it be for Wasatch player to beat every
opponent by fourty.
Wasatch is a great school.
Agreed smalltownbball but lets make some lemonade out of this sour situation. Go
in playing to win instead of playing to not get blown out.
MM&I: "I feel he set great goals for the game, but win(n)ing should have
been one of them."You need to set realistic goals. Beating WA
isn't, for most teams. You need to drop that argument, its pointless.MM&I: "One good thing he did do is he may have given his and
other teams a recipe to knock of(f) WA."That's a good
point, St Jo girls used it in 1A successfully a few years back.MM&I: "Finally whats going on isn't right, but its the hand 2A
has been dealt at least for now, hopefully things change"We have
been saying that for LITERALLY decades now in 1A, 20 years and nothing changes.
And right now is all the seniors have, there IS no next year, no second chance.
It's utterly ridiculous that the UHSAA hasn't fixed this yet, despite
the multitude of chances they have had.
We want to play only at tournaments. So quit complaining and play ball
It wouldn't be right to take WA out of the state tourney this year.
That's a terrible idea. But, I'd like to see them playing in 3a or 4a
next year. If SS really has broken rules its wrong (I don't know if they
have). SS had success other years where they haven't had questionable move
ins though. I just haven't seen anyone dominate like WA, not JD, Judge, or
anyone else. I haven't seen JD and JM attract the types of athletes in 1
sport the way WA does. I just think its naive to think that those athletes are
coming to WA for academic reasons. I also think its naive to think they would
have ever heard of WA without some sort of aggressive advertisement or
recruiting. There are other places for those kids to go to get bball recognition
that are closer to their homes. They had to be sold on WA somehow.
Rural public schools don't have the money to pay somebody to do that type
of work in attracting athletes, and they wouldn't want to. They would
rather let the students from there own communities compete. It's a
community pride thing. I know holding the ball seems to contradict that, but I
get that it was a sacrifice to try and get some attention. JD and JM are
different than WA in that they focus on all sports, not just one. They just need
to play up for there own benefit more than anything else. It's just
upsetting that the UHSAA doesn't seem to be working on making it happen
since they've made a ton of exceptions in the past for other schools. It
does seem like small southern Utah schools get the shaft from the UHSAA
sometimes, not sometimes, a lot of the time. It does seem like they're
worried that 3a and 4a would make even more noise about WA than 2a does.
I do believe that Wasatch Academy is guilty of recruiting, but South Sevier is
just as guilty. In the past few years they have had kids from Wayne County and
Salina on their team. I think its a case of the pot calling the kettle black
In all my years of life I have never seen such defeatist statements coming from
these rural schools. Everybody keeps stating that it is impossible for WA to be
beaten, and yet South Sevier was down only 10 points at half time? To quote
Coach Parsons from the story.“I didn’t think
they’d sit back in a zone and let the clock run out, which was fine with
me,” says Parsons. “We’d met our goals as a team; I
don’t see any sense in losing by 40 points, which is what they are winning
by.”This from a coach who was only down 10 points at half time
and only lost by 25 points the first time they played.Why would you
think that WA would come out of their zone up 17 points? Why was your team goal
not to compete for 32 minutes? Why was this fine by you?They are
unbeatable? Not for these Utah schools the past 4 years. They had different team
goals.Judge Memorial 46, Wasatch Academy 39Manti 61, Wasatch
Academy 49Richfield 58, Wasatch Academy 41Bryce Valley 68, Wasatch
Academy 66 Liahona 58, Wasatch Academy 55
I hope we're all friends when this is said and done. I think we all want
the same thing and that is for fair competition. I'll concede my rant about
"fair" I was playing Devil's Advocate a little there any ways. I
dislike written communication, for this reason: a lot of times the emotion,
sarcasm, delivery and many other things are lost in interpretation. Especially
when we don't know each other personally or we aren't sitting face to
face. I love rural high school sports and can't wait for some great games
coming up this weekend and into the playoffs. Good luck to all the teams and
I'm hoping that one of the David's takes out Goliath.
Everyone just needs to stop complaining. WA is definitely going to win the
state championship, especially when teams just give up and whine. That
definitely sends a message, if I can't win, I'm going to pout and not
@MemyselfandII have seen it first hand at both Freshman Basketball
and Football games. My son got it first hand when I noticed him jawing with G
Prep players. I asked him which team in the GSL talks the most smack? He told me
it Gonzaga Prep and it's not even close. Go watch the way the coach and
player act on the Freshman team and let me know what your think. Up by 30 points
with 2 minutes to go, still pressing and putting the starters back in. Yep,
lotta class there. My kids have played AAU and High school sports here in
Spokane. I have heard the same thing from many other parents and players.
@MemyselfandISorry for the confusion. I have no idea how WA presents
itself, I'm only speaking from what I have witnessed here in Spokane.Take care and have a good day!
@ David RI-Why are you assuming everyone complaining is from a rural
school?-Have you seen Wasatch Academy? It's a team made up of Manu,
Dirk, Dikembe, Lebron, KD, Kobe, Michael, Bill Russel, Larry Bird, Magic and a
few other guys. John Wooden is their coach.-You obviously haven't
seen WA play this year to realize that they're a totally different team
than they were 2, 3, or 4 years ago. -I'm complaining on WA's
behalf. It is in their benefit to play in a higher classification.-When
they play in a higher classification the city schools are going to get beat and
complain as well, so don't go attacking rural schools. Most of the schools
you listed as beating them the past for years were rural anyway. Ga
@ David RI,This year, in 2A, Wasatch Academy is unbeatable! The only
score that matters and that illustrates this situation is an 86 to 56 WA win
over Morgan. Morgan is ranked first in 3A and got destroyed by WA. So yes, they
are unbeatable IN 2A. Also, to you, and to anyone else that
questions Coach Parson's character or abilities as a coach, I played for
him and he has done more for 2A basketball and for his players than any one I
All these bashing's on each others schools is pretty pathetic. WA and South
Sevier are both good schools. They both played well against each other just a
week or two ago. This game is in the past. Now it is time to look forward and
move on with our lives. You aren't doing any favors by just sitting and
writing about each others schools faults and strengths. Please, and I mean
please forgive and forget.
Does anyone else remember one of the greatest moments in sports history when the
1980 US Men's Hockey Team threw down their sticks and didn't play the
3rd period because it wasn't fair how much better the collection of Russian
players were? Do you believe in quitting? YES!
Coach Parsons is a class act. Why didn't Wasatch Academy's coach come
out of the zone? Goes both ways. I know, I know, it isn't right to do if
your up so far. Hey, WA hasn't had a problem with it in the past.
Obviously there is an injustice that needs to get fixed.
@Daniel84020 - I would have to disagree. Quitting is walking off the court,
which did not happen. Yes, South Sevier held the ball at mid-court. However,
Wasatch made no effort to go out to defend them either. To me, they are equally
Texas has separate leagues for Private schools. The public schools are far
superior !!!! Coach Morgan is the main difference accounting for WA's
success. Looks to me like he is coaching defense thus leading to cheap baskets
What South Sevier did makes Utah look soft!!!!!!!!!! You would never catch a
coach from Chicago pulling such a weak tactic!!! The message that sends to his
players is what's wrong with this situation not Wasatch. While they were
holding the whole fourth quarter his own players was saying how stupid and lame
they felt, so if anyone is concerned about the kids it wouldn't be
PARSON'S. If my son was in that program he wouldn't be after that
sorry attempt of "were victims, help us we can't win!!!! Just pathetic.
The problem is UHSAA is a branch or the government, has the government mentality
and therefore can't possible think outside the box. If the education system
was privatized they'd fix this situation. These people have grown up in the
system and no longer have the ability of thinking for themselves. They look at
the rules and that's it… Wasatch sounds like they want to be moved
up, sounds like they could compete and even get more exposure for their kids but
the UHSAA (in their lack of wisdom) can't figure it out so they hide. Have
they lost all ability to recognize fair play… turn it over to a committee,
no educators, because they cover each other, but let the tax payers, the ones
paying Cluff, the coaches, the schools and they'll come up with a solid
Whether you lose by 1 or by 50 you still have lost. Holding the ball was
incredebly bad sportsmanship.I'd move them up to 4A if it is
The real problem is Mr. Cuff. Try to get anything passed or your voice heard
(much less acted on), if you are from a small southern school. The enrollment
excuse is not a valid one, some teams play 1A football and 2A basketball? What a
mess he's made of High school sports, certainly he remembers the excitement
of a full round robin played at a local school! Now we have a "play-in"
game,I if you make that now), stupid. Times have changed, yes. That does not
give the State a reason to completely mess the system up. Sometimes what was
done in the past is still good for the future. Your in charge Mr. Cuff, fix this
whole statewide mess.
Morgan may be ranked #1 right now, but there are 5-6 teams in 3A that can and
have beat Morgan this year from 3A. Plus that game was the first of the year,
where they lost 6 in a row. Anyone in beatable, but that is the point here.....
@ Sargecut - I agree! There is one group that can fix this and it is the UHSAA.
It is time to listen to all the small schools and fix this situation. The region tourneys be this year would be amazing, especially with all of the
great competition that is out there! The only hope is that there are enough
people that are frustrated with the situation that they (UHSAA) make a decision
and make it soon.
The funny thing is that last year in 5A Lone peak dominated. In fact in the
semis of the state championchips, Brighton held the ball for 11 minutes in the
first half against them. No one complained about that. Recruiting?????
@ REALLY WOW - Interesting that you should bring up Lone Peak. Correct me if I
am wrong, but I believe that Eric Mika, who played his senior season at Lone
Peak, also played at another private school in the 2A classification (Waterford)
for his freshman and sophomore seasons. Had he stayed at Waterford they may very
well have won a state title in 2A. Funny how this private school thing keeps
resurfacing over and over and over.
Victory, Victory, Ra Ra Ra. Go Wasatch Academy Tigers to an awesome
I don't see the stall as "quitting". I see it as making a statement
to an otherwise oblivious OR incompetent UHSAA. Private schools should either
play by the SAME RULES as public schools or play in their own private school
league. Why is that so difficult? (Even a consistent UHSAA would be a move in
the right direction.) Letters haven't helped. Discussions with state
representatives and the UHSAA haven't changed anything. Any suggestions on
what would work?
I don't understand all of the anti-private school rhetoric. That they
don't play by the same rules and have major advantages on recruiting. I
just broke down the previous 5 years in 1A, 2A, 3A where all of the Private
schools are and in Boys basketball out of the 15 championships won there were 12
by public schools and 3 by private schools. Considering private schools make up
about 25% of the total schools 1A-3A they are actually winning only 20% of the
titles.From the rhetoric I am reading I expected to find that the
Private Schools were winning almost all of the titles, when in fact they are
winning only 20%. Where is the advantage? You have to have facts to back up your
claims of an unfair advantage and they are simply not there. If there truly was
an advantage they would be winning a disproportionate amount of titles. They are
not. The other sports are also all dominated by Public School champions. From my
data, I would have to conclude that there must be some advantages to public
schools that they do not care to admit. You can't win them ALL. These are
the facts. Look them up.
The anti-private school rhetoric is about "these kids are coming in and
stealing small town dreams of winning state" not the percentage.
They're mad cuz we're winning. They're mad cuz we're here,
to stay and win.
When you don't understand you don't understand, it's good to
admit it. Research it appears, or proves, what everyone has been saying, that
the unfair advantage that private schools have is roster loading on any given
year; not necessarily every year. Load, and reload, internationally, when you
want, if you want. Something public schools by law can't do. Private
schools can; public schools can't. Oh, and comparing championships between
privates and publics is out, there are far, far fewer privates. It doesn't
work. Right now is what the discussion is about. It hurts kids, it
hurts programs, coaches can lose jobs, its basketball--sure, but that makes it
real life! The 2A classification is damaged.
Again public schools can get international students. There is no law against
it. Please stop making up the facts
getedu, but I do agree with you on WA
Just put them in 5A. This shouldn't be so complicated.
Nope. Public schools can't get international students like private schools.
The visa system is complicated and visas are just not available. International
students come sometimes to these small town public schools as exchange students,
but not to play sport. And they are certainly not recruited. Plus, their visa is
only good for one year.
IRS Agent: your comments are coming from no experience with this issue. Sour
grapes? I have had three sons and many close friends watching them having to go
thru this rediculous experience. Why have different classifications in trying
to level the playing field when my boy from a school that has 150 kids freshman
to senior go up against a team that recruits from the likes of Canada's
Junior olympic team and from all over the world. They don't even know what
a classification is and barely know they are in Utah. I have had 3 kids play
against them and watch their team not even pay honor to the American flag that
is giving them an education at the state championship game and they come out and
play like its just another independent game in some tournament they play in
around the nation. Rich High can't even afford to play in an extra
game in Richfield while these guys play all over the nation so they can showcase
what the athletes can expect when they come and play for this Junior college
style situation. Love This move by South Sevier. They mock the UHSAA every
time they play.
No 2afan. Not every public school can get international students. I know of
public schools who bring in international exchange students, but not to play
sports. It is extremely difficult to qualify for a visa without the exchange
program. The private schools should be able to build their programs and compete
nationally (as WA has done). And it would be fun to be able to play them in
preseason games. I just don't think they should be vying for the same state
title as schools who don't recruit and offer money to play.
@2afan - if it is possible, please explain how a small, rural school is able to
get an international student to attend their school. I am curious. Not talking
about an exchange student either.
Public schools back east have been doing this for the last 5 years due to
desperate need for money it just requires some effort. Please know my unity with
you on WA. They have done what I know other private schools have refused to do.
What makes you think any private school besides WA wants to build a bb program
nationally? The lack of understanding of private schools ,their purpose and
their motives on these posts are disheartening. Contrary to the situation
painted in these comments, I only know one that fits. Guess who?
WIN. go Wasatch go!!!!!!!!!
I do not have any issues with private schools in general. They offer tremendous
opportunities to kids in the way of education and helping them in their lives.
In that way, they provide a very important role. My issues comes when private
school use their ability to recruit kids for athletics. Even then, I don't
have a problem with it, EXCEPT that public schools can't do the same thing.
It gives them a huge unequal (don't want to use the word unfair) advantage.
If they want to do that, let them go and play against someone else. Competing
against a small, rural school, who already has very limited resources, just
doesn't make sense.
I understand but public has many advantages as well such as enrollment ,money
,familiarity ,buildings etc. Both have different advantages and disadvantages.
In truth there are differences. Even in public there are poorer schools verses
richer where their parents send them to camps for the privileged improving their
skills. Do we divide public into rich and poor schools so one doesn't have
such an advantage over the other? I do take great exception to what has been
deliberately done at WA but the over-reach of separation is not needed nor going
While UHSAA considers inequality...Seems relative size in your
classification is a MUCH greater team state championship predictor than being
private.Consider Manti, Richfield, NSanpete, Gunnison, and WA. In 15
years since the 99-00 season, team state championships:Richfield:
25, 1 in 5 3A years, at least 1 in 9/10 2A years, including 4 in 02-03 and
08-09.Manti: 21, 0 in 2 3A years, at least 1 in 12/13 2A years,
including 4 in 11-12NSanpete: 2, both Volleyball, 15 years 3AGunnison: 3, all baseball, 15 years 2AWA: 2, both in boys
basketball, 1 in 12 1A years, 1 in 2 2A yearsManti/Richfield were
typically the largest 2A schools. Gunnison and WA are small 2A schools. NSanpete
is a small 3A school, typically within 100 students of Manti/Richfield. How is
it fair that NSanpete was stuck in 3A while Manti/Richfield were cleaning up in
2A?SSevier won 14 championships in 15 2A years. That’s not as
good as Manti/Richfield, but decent for “small town kids” boosting
“community pride.” How do NSanpete, Gunnison, and WA
students/community feel with only 2 or 3 championships in the same time period?
@ 2afan - So your argument is that it is ok for private schools to be able to
recruit, while public schools can't? And that is equitable?
I do not agree with private schools recruiting for athletic purposes. But I know
only one that has. The lines grouping all private schools into one analysis is
my problem. Any objective person can tell the difference.
By the way , you don't think the other private schools are feeling the same
angst as the public over this situation ?
Further, do you present we go after and punish the entire family of a criminal
because they come from the same group? That's my point. Your solutions are
emotional not rational. But I do understand how this situation has pushed
people over the edge. I am on your side but limited to one school not the entire
group of private schools.
Wasatch Academy isn't reaching their potential in 2A. In a way, they are
cheating their athletes who are superior to 2A competition. It's on Wasatch Academy to ask for a classification change.
Hate all u want. Go Wasatch go.
Can't be to soon to get out of this cry baby, complaining, whining, losing
2A division. NATIONAL
@ A Real Ball Player - Thanks for keeping it classy!
@ 2afan - I would agree that some of my comments are emotional, but I think that
is to be expected given the situation. Growing up in a small, rural community
high school athletics are what young boys and girls dream about. They live to
put on their uniform with their town or school's name and compete in front
of their family and community every night. That, my friend, is life in the small
town. When you feel like someone comes in and steals some of that recognition,
it hurts. It is emotional, because to them it is a huge part of their life. And
when they feel (right, wrong, or indifferent) that someone has an unequal
advantage, it hurts even more. I hope that explains a little why for all the
small rural towns it is a big deal. And while I can't speak for everyone of
them, I am sure that they share many of these same feelings.
Class went out the door days ago. The real is all I'm interested in.
Big city small town, SO. All these kids want the same thing. We work hard and
the outcome is winning.
@Bulldog26-I hear your heart.
As a matter of FACT. There has been nothing classy about these comments from the
beginning. Now you want to bring up class. What does class have to do with
what's going on, protesting a school that has nothing to do with what
division they play in, they just play well. You don't hear them protesting
that they have no real comp. That they're game is suffering playing schools
that don't, cant compete with some real heart.
Wasatch Academy *DID* petition UHSAA to move boys basketball to a higher class
after last season. UHSAA *DENIED* the petition. UHSAA requires all teams move
when changing class (except 2A teams playing 3A football). Moving all WA's
teams to 3A or 4A when they aren't competitive at the 2A level is
ridiculous. WA boys basketball didn't simply "reload" this year as
some have implied. All 5 starters are returning players from last year,
including two who are in their 3rd year at WA and three 2nd years, one is a
Sophomore. Any team in any classification that returned 5 of their top 8
players, including the state and tournament MVPs would expect an excellent
season. Instead of congratulating WA for outstanding kids/coaches, people in
this forum are very accusatory and negative. That is really disappointing for
the state of Utah. Take the complaints to UHSAA where they belong. Don't
blame/accuse/criticize WA who haven't broken any rules and are playing
exactly where UHSAA told them to play.@Bulldog26-Manti and Richfield
won 45 2A team state championships over the last 15 years to WA's 1. I
don't think WA has stolen anything from Gunnison.
@ARealBallPlayer - The crux of the argument has always been that there is an
unequal playing field in 1A and 2A with private schools, specifically toward
recruiting. Wasatch has an amazing team and has been very successful. I have
absolutely NO problems with that. In fact, I am very happy for them. My concern
comes in where private schools are able to bring in, or recruit kids, to come to
their schools. Public schools are not able to do that, and as a result do not
have the same equal advantage as the private schools. It doesn't have to be
fair, because teams will always rise and fall over the years. All I ask for is
an equal playing field.
@ImNotLeftHanded - I understand that this is a UHSAA issue. And I also agree
that they are the ones that have to do something to fix this. As far
as taking something from Gunnison, it was just a state championship that was at
stake last year. No big deal, right?
Thanks. Finally someone with something real to contribute to this forum. And I
am left handed. Lol. Thanks. Can't say it enough. Thanks!!!!!!!!! Go
@bulldog26, Yea right.
@ARealballplayer- your comments aren't helping WA. This school will still
be in Utah after you have done your thing and left. They have thrown away their
support and relationships with other private schools over this.
@2afan, and what type of relationship would they need with other private
schools? They stood alone when they were losing and they'll stand alone
Wasatch doesn't need my help, They're doing just
@Bulldog26 - you are assuming Gunnison would have beaten South Sevier, and that
is a very big assumption.I will re-state my original premise: Being
the largest school in a classification is a more significant advantage for
winning state championships than being a private school. I hope the UHSAA does
allow WA basketball to move up to 4A or 5A. I think WA would welcome it as long
as the other WA teams don't also have to move. But, if your primary
argument is with the "unequal playing field," then equalizing the large
schools that monopolize state championships should be a higher priority than
targeting the private schools.Perhaps a more flexible classification
system is in order for all schools, public and private.
@bulldog26 I'm just curious. Are you certain that public schools cannot get
international kids to come to their school? Where does your information come
from that you can be so certain. I would urge you to research your claim. My
understanding, international students may stay at a public school for multiple
years IF that student pays a tuition to the public school.
@ ImNotLeftHanded - A Gunnison -vs- South Sevier match-up would have been great
but we will never know how it would have ended up. Either way, it would have
been a great game. Let's not forget that the Gunnison -vs- Emery game was
the game of the tourney! That shot that Caldwell hit at the buzzer will remain
in Gunnison basketball lore for a long time. Also, lfor the record, Gunnison
played Wasatch closer than any other 2A school last year in the title game. I
think it goes without saying that the South Sevier game against them in the
semis was one of the most over hyped games in 2A, a real sleeper.(Actually it
was really boring!)As for the the large school argument, well, that
is for another day. For now I will stick to this discussion. My assumption is
that over the next couple of weeks, there will be many more discussions on this
@athleticsfan - Honestly, I am not 100% sure, but other than as a part of an
exchange program, I am not sure why they would want to. (Nothing negative
insinuated there, just not sure why they would want to.) My argument is that
pubic schools would not be recruiting foreign students, because they can't.
Whereas private schools very well may be doing that. Again, this is strictly
related to athletics and has nothing to do with academics.I will
have to get and check it out to be certain for sure on the specific rules that
govern such activities. I will post as I find out the details.
Congratulations WA on creating a team of outstanding national/international
players to entertain us as they prepare for their D1 experience. They are
awesome! And how exciting that you compete well nationally with other teams like
yours. You have been allowed to create this team by a UHSAA that often penalizes
PUBLIC schools (especially those with strong programs) if a player transfers
from one school to another. So the rub is that WA (and perhaps others) somehow,
all of a sudden, has this team of international and national superstar players.
How do these players even know about a tiny school in central Utah? And all at
the same time? What a coincidence! At most small high schools, the athletes will
wrestle or play basketball in the state tournament Saturday and then tryout the
following Monday for soccer, baseball, tennis or track/field (that's
probably the day most WA players are packing up to head back home). That's
a different player than the one being brought in to prepare for their D1
experience. This is a situation created by and then ignored by the UHSAA. Just
enforce the rules that are already in place!
@moojuice - Excellent! I would like to have the answers to your questions as
well. Very well written!
Wrestling? Soccer? Baseball? Tennis? Track and Field? That's your problem.
Real basketball players play basketball, whether its in season or not. When we
go home we go home and play MORE basketball. Basketball is they're love.
Not something to do because its basketball season. And that's what separate
the great doing this and those who just do it.
Concerns and questions should only reflect how can your programs compete.
Everything else is irrelevant.
By the way, WA's success this year and over the last few years is not due
to recruiting kids in my opinion. The major difference and the turning point was
when WA hired Geno Morgan. He took a losing team from 08-09 and turned it
around. Outstanding coaches do that. He's a two-time winner of Utah's
Best of State High School Coach, for all coaches, in all sports, across all
schools public and private. Of course, this year WA also returned 8 of their top
12 players from last year. Any team with an outstanding coach returning that
many players is going to have a great year. Ask Lone Peak 2012-13.
Who do you think your kidding. Without the talent he brought in WA would still
Coach Morgan didn't bring in talent, he creates talented
@2afan - By nature of how private schools exist, every student at every private
school is recruited. WA has been doing that for 100+ years. Even with that
recruiting, WA wasn't winning any state championships. The way WA gets
students hasn't changed, but the coach did, and that's when the
winning started. That's my point. Of course there are good athletes that
now want to come to WA, and they get there and the coach makes something even
more of them. I would bet there hasn't been a single player who already had
their D1 offer in hand that came to WA, a remote 2A school in Utah, simply to
add a Utah 2A state championship to their resume. They come because Geno Morgan
is an outstanding coach that pushes them to become better, and WA is an
outstanding academic school that will also push them on the academic side. They
come here to be better people, which I'd hope the people of Utah could
respect. It would be nice if these student athletes left Utah knowing what a
class act our state is.
I know all about private schools and how students are recruited and that team
wasn't the luck of the draw. Any private school could put an equal team on
the floor if their goal was to build a power-house team on their way to national
scheduling . The kids at WA are great kids and I personally like the coach, but
I know exactly what they have done and while it is within the letter of the rule
it is way outside the spirit of the rule. This has been an executed plan at the
expense of all the 2a teams.
@ARealBallPlayer: I don't know that we have fake basketball players at
public schools. They look pretty real to me. They do play basketball year round.
Sometimes for fun, sometimes for competition just because they love the game.
They also play and enjoy other sports. You seem pretty defensive, so I just want
to make sure you understand that the angst expressed is toward the UHSAA, not
Wasatch Academy. I think your team is awesome and I hope the players have
continued success. But I believe that even Wasatch Academy would like to move
out of 2A? I'm sure the national tournaments are more fun for the team than
these boring old state games. But these state games mean a lot to these 2A
players. (I'm sure South Summit would love a state championship in
basketball to go along with their championship in football.)
I have another question. Maybe somebody out there can answer it. Did Wasatch
Academy request a move to another classification? If so, WHY didn't the
UHSAA allow the move? That seems like such a simple fix. Seriously. We
don't need to form a committee and discuss it for two years. Moving
"up" shouldn't be an issue.
This has got to be said... Geno IS an outstanding coach and I have respect for
him and his players. I also believe that these players came from the many
corners of the world BECAUSE of him and his coaching ability. It has already
been stated that "success breeds success" and great players LIVE to be a
part of a successful program with a great coach. The facts are in black and
white... Geno DID NOT "make" these players into the players they are.
Most came to him with massive basketball histories and experience. Do your own
research on the others, but here is a little info on just one of their amazing
players, Luzcando, Nice kid! (note the spelling difference/dropping of last name
at WA).. Eugenio Luscando Bocaz - member of the FIBA Chile 16U team. What is
FIBA? The abbreviation 'FIBA' derives from the French
'Fédération Internationale de Basketball Amateur'. The Word
'Amateur' was dropped in 1986 after the distinction between Amateurs
and Professionals was eliminated. What kind of a team is this? Jabari Parker
played on the FIBA Americas team and played against him in an American tourney
if that gives you any indication.
@Moojuice, I understand your point. I hope I never used that term FAKE, because
NON of these kids are fake. Public/Private. They're ball players in my
So did Luzcando play summer ball around the Orem area a few years back? Is he
the one that wanted to play at a public school in the Orem area, but was denied,
only to land at Wasatch Academy? He is a great player.
I am from South Sevier and have been watching Basket Ball for a long time every
one blames coach Parsons for the stall tactic that he used. I am late to this
conversation and understand his coaching tactics is is called a four corner
stall it was not meant to stall a whole Quarter it is meant to suck them out of
there Zone and allow cuts for lay ups W/A could have also came out and matched
up man to man and the game would have then went on Geno could have let his kids
play also. If South Sevier sees them in the play offs I hope Parsons dose the
same thing till Geno comes out of his Zone. it will be a low scoreing game but
it will be a lot closer So man up Geno and make them play.