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Are too many willfully unemployed?

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  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    Then where are the jobs? I don't see employers begging people to come work for them.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Feb. 10, 2014 11:03 a.m.

    This idea from the Democrats that not working is liberating and possible because of Obamacare is nothing more than another scam to get the uniformed voters to keep them power. When will the taxpayers of America have enough of paying for the freeloaders (insert victims if you are a Demo)?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 11:05 a.m.

    There are costs for being employed - clothes, transportation, child care etc. If the wage offered doesn't cover these expenses then one does not work. Such is often the case in our low wage economy. Of course a tenat of capitalist ideology is that unemnployment is never involutnary, so the spike in unemployment following 2008 was all due to labor's laziness in that view. In my experience the vast majority of people both need and want to work, if the work situation "works."

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    Ernest,

    We could start by taking the jobs away from illegal immigrants who have illegally taken the jobs from law abiding Americans. That would be a start.

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 11:33 a.m.

    "A society rooted in responsibility must first promote the value of work, not welfare,” President Barack Obama said in his 2014 State of the Union address."

    Pot, meet kettle.

    Wow, this guy talks out both sides of his mouth as well as any in history.

    Meanwhile he has overseen the largest expansion of Food Stamp usage in the nations history. His govt has literally hired people to recruit people to use more Food Stamps. It is rampant with fraud and abuse and nothing is done except hand out more.

    The expansion of access (much of it with a wink/nod fraudulent) to socialist programs is horrific.

    They are busy patting themselves on the back about the unemployment rate and meanwhile back at the ranch the number of people who simply give up looking for work in this horrible economy is exploding.

    Liberalism, marxism, and socialism full speed ahead. He and liberals know that appealing to selfish voters about what "politicians will give them" will often buy the votes to win an election now.

    Is the math really to difficult? All of these people not working so workers can't make enough to fund themselves plus non-workers. Duh.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Feb. 10, 2014 11:37 a.m.

    I have a successful small business. I take good care of my employees. My taxes went way up last year. I have lost deductions for my kids and I get a smaller percentage deduction for charity (tithing and otherwise)in addition to other increases.

    This increase in taxes has resulted in me not buying a new car for a couple of extra years, putting off home improvements, eating out less, and cutting out a trip for my family. I am not asking people to feel sorry for me, just want people to realize if you work in the car industry, food industry, construction industry, or travel industry, your money will be going to the government and they will decide who gets it. If you have a job, it is not you. Tax increases and regulation decrease freedom - the government chooses the winners and losers.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Feb. 10, 2014 11:48 a.m.

    Nice try Deseret News, but this dog won't hunt.

    If people retire because they can now afford health care that only makes room for those who need to work full time to get a job. The net gain for the economy is huge. That's just what we wanted to happen. ObamaCare is working.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    If one chooses to not work to take advantage of the new heatlh care law, that person is likely in bad shape economically and is probably sick or has a sick loved one. Many people get into a bind in their 50's, unable to find work which covers expenses, with poor heatlh on top of that. A lot of people opt for social security at 62 for these reasons. This society is increasingly hard on low wage labor, but then labor has always had a hard row in capitalism. The Tea Party and their enablers like the Kochs want to make it a whole lot harder.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 12:31 p.m.

    if you work you lose your free or nearly free health insurance. Why work? Welcome to the new "Obama-nation".

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    "Ernest,

    We could start by taking the jobs away from illegal immigrants who have illegally taken the jobs from law abiding Americans. That would be a start."

    I agree. So let's begin by "deporting" all those who break the law and hire illegals knowing that it is completely against the law? The best solution to illegal immigration isn't a fence or mass deportation of millions. The best solution is to imprison and severely penalize those who hire illegals. If the incentive to hire illegals is gone, then the illegals will self deport and stop coming.

    Hire a single illegal? You lose your business and go to prison for 5+ years. No exceptions.

    You'd be surprised how many "job creators" would suddenly start to employ Americans if they knew that they would go to prison if they hired illegals.

    Too bad no repub would ever touch this plan. Nonono! We don't want to lose out on our handouts from big business! Instead, let's bash illegals and talk big about building a fence that we will never build to give the appearance of tackling illegal immigration but in reality ignoring it.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 1:00 p.m.

    A society that coddles the WILLINGLY unemployed... reaps what it sows.

    There are many who want to work, but can't (because of physical or mental handicaps, or jobs fitting their skills are not available, etc). But people who CHOOSE to be unemployed (because they can make more on unemployment than they can working)... will drag this economy and this nation down with them.

    The "Safety-Net" was made for the first group above (unemployed but want to work). Not for the new generation that is increasingly willingly unemployed (and has no intention of working IF they can get away with it). The "Safety-Net" should NOT be used to enable these willingly unemployed people (IMO).

    If we use the safety-net for people who don't really NEED it (but just want to use it)... it may not be available for someone who truly needs it. These funds can't last forever.

  • Dr. Thom Long Beach, CA
    Feb. 10, 2014 2:17 p.m.

    A colleague now teaches exclusively on line after being laid off as a full-time chemistry professor in 2011. With adjunct wages so low, she can't cost justify the expense of driving from school to school so online make sense, and with 75% of all college teaching jobs now being held by adjunct and not FT instructors, this trend will probably continue.

  • Shawnm750 West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 2:16 p.m.

    @Ernest - You're missing a key point of the article. Because of Obamacare, job growth has been stalled because employers are now paying more for their employees' health care. So, for those people who actually do want to work and not live off subsidies/gov't aid, there will be less jobs available. Another thing that the article fails to mention is how the proposed increase in minimum wage will also hinder job growth... While it's great that the POTUS can beat his chest about instilling the value of hard work in people, his policies are just further cultivating a larger group of government dependents.

  • Dr. Thom Long Beach, CA
    Feb. 10, 2014 2:18 p.m.

    The Real Maverick;

    Haven't seen a lot of illegal or undocumented professors with PhDs at the university or graduate school level

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    So it's unemployed peoples faults that they can't find a job?

    Really?

    Because I was told throughout the past decade that giving the rich tax breaks was going to help raise my salary and they were also going to create jobs. Instead, jobs have been lost (and never recovered) and salaries have been slashed.

    I feel like I've been lied to in order for the GOP to push their agenda on me. How sad.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 2:34 p.m.

    If ANY are willfully unemployed... then yes... too many are willfully unemployed.

    ===

    Work is a good thing. It's something every person should do. That doesn't mean we should all be doing the SAME work, or at the same level... but we should all be working (to the best of our ability).

    You don't have to be paid for the work you are doing.... but you should still be working. Even if you are just volunteering in the neighborhood.

    I have a mentally handicapped neighbor I see walking the neighborhood every day... picking up garbage. It's his "Work". He doesn't get paid, but he works. And he's happy.

    We should all work, how much we get paid is mostly irrelevant (IMO) as long as you can support your family.

    But if you can't support your family... and you are willfully unemployed... you need to think about what you are doing.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 4:29 p.m.

    Maverick,
    Re "So it's unemployed peoples faults that they can't find a job?"...

    I didn't see anybody say "It's unemployed peoples faults that they can't find a job". That's a straw man.

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    There will always be unemployed people. That's a fact of life (and why we have the safety-net). But what we are talking about here today is a special case... of people who WANT/INSIST on being unemployed (meaning they refuse to work). That is the person's fault.

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    Being "willfully unemployed"... means you choose to be unemployed (not that you can't find a job). This describes people who think they don't need a job anymore and stop looking because they don't need insurance for their family through their employer, and they don't need a paycheck from their employer (because they can get one from the government for staying home).

    "Willfully Unemployed" doesn't describe most people who are unemployed. It's a very small fraction.

  • freedomingood provo, Utah
    Feb. 10, 2014 7:40 p.m.

    It amazes me how conservatives can talk out both sides of their mouths. Look they say, the economy is still terrible and it's Obama's fault. Look they say, people that are out of work, could have jobs if they really wanted to.

    Which is it?

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 8:37 p.m.

    If someone chooses to work less due to health insurance benefits, that is totally their choice. After all, this is America. Why anyone would seek to give advice or criticize is beyond me. That others are somehow paying for this is nonsense. Why the need to meddle in others affairs?

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 11:53 p.m.

    It simply isn't necessary that everyone work.

    Back when most everyone was a farmer or a hunter, and this was done by hand or with help of animals, it was necessary that every person work. Today with technology, its no longer necessary. Today a room full of 100 people with 5 of them working full time and the rest not working can produce as much economically as a room full of 100 people with all of them working 12 hours a day 7 days a week could 300 years ago.

    And the progress continues, We are more productive than in the 1980's because of progress that has happened since then.

    The 40 hour work week should be lessened. Of course pay would need to go up, but this could happen if income were distributed more equally.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Feb. 11, 2014 6:31 a.m.

    2 bits
    Cottonwood Heights, UT
    If ANY are willfully unemployed... then yes... too many are willfully unemployed.

    ===

    My wife has been "willfully" unemployed for 29 years raising our children.

    Why are trashing on women who are just trying to follow the Prophet?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 11, 2014 11:12 a.m.

    Open Minded Mormon,
    I think if you told your wife she has not been working for 29 years (while she was nurturing your kids, and cleaning your house, and cooking your food)... you would be looking for your face that just got slapped off.

    I said... you don't need to be paid. But you need to be working. I think women working at home work as hard as any office worker. And the product of their work (your children) is more important than anything produced by any office worker.

    ==

    I was not trashing women... you were (by assuming what many women do is not "work").

    Your false accusation is on par with Democrats who constantly accuse Conservatives for their supposed "War on Women". And about as accurate as that false characterization.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2014 11:48 a.m.

    Maverick,

    Putting all illegals in jail for 5 years when it's determined they are illegal would also do the trick

    I'll support putting business owners there for 5 years if you support putting the illegal aliens there as well.

    Deal?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Feb. 11, 2014 12:42 p.m.

    @2bits
    I said... you don't need to be paid.

    ========

    NO, you did not. -- Please stop trying to twist my words...

    Here, allow me to quote you again ---

    "2 bits
    Cottonwood Heights, UT

    If ANY are willfully unemployed..."


    My wife and millions of other women are "willfully unemployed" [YOUR words]
    I know my wife "wroks, but that isn't what you said.

    Sorry I have to call you on it...

    BTW --
    I was not trashing women... you were ("If ANY are willfully unemployed...").

    Be more carfeul.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2014 12:54 p.m.

    @Open Minded,

    So now you bring up what your Mormon prophet says, which not many of us believe you are a Mormon. But if you are, why pick and choose what your Mormon prophet says? I can give you a list of several things your prophet has said that you have agreed with.

    So why can't 2 bits do the same(such is your insinuation that he's suggesting something contrary to your prophet)? Flip, flop.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Feb. 12, 2014 1:20 p.m.

    @Ernest T. Bass 10:57 a.m. Feb. 10, 2014

    Then where are the jobs? I don't see employers begging people to come work for them.

    ---------------------------

    Unfortunately a lot of the jobs are overseas where Mitt Romney, and people like him, sent them to they could profit from the out-sourcing.

  • RFLASH Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 6:00 a.m.

    I think somebody needs to study history a little more! They forget the shantviiles, people having to work long days for almost nothing!
    life wasn't that easy! You want to back, go ahead! god forbid somebody to expect a decent wage!