Here it comes. Undoubtedly we're going to see the typical, callous
rationalizations for oppressing the hireling in his wages. "But these jobs
are meant for teenagers who don't need the money anyway. It is a valuable
training ground for them. It is not supposed to pay a living wage." And
more such garbage. The moral disease of GREED rages in men's hearts today,
no less in Utah than elsewhere in the country. That is the problem.
There's only one place to lay much of the blame for this: The President.
Where are all those shovel ready jobs? He has actively and with malice
aforethought gutted the middle class. This is a classic case of the
Cloward-Piven strategy to increase the welfare roles to the point that the
system collapses and brings in socialism.
Another problematic trend that contributes to this is that many 'middle
wage' skills and jobs are being extremely under-valued and underpaid both
here in the U.S. and also as a result of shipping them to Asia where the people
performing the work are basically enslaved to their situation. (Sure, they
could *try* to find better work, or even create better work, but the situation
is arranged to stop any upward trends like that) Some fair-wage treaties and
international rule of law in labor would help to alleviate poverty created by
this situation both here and around the world. We'd need to get
Washington's attention on that.
Isn't it funny that society says its ok for the poor to call the rich
greedy but its not ok for he rich to call the pool lazy and irresponsible?
Numerous scientific study already have shown that increase minimum wage will not
work out for the stated intention like “provide living wage” or
“decrease poverty”, the only real consequence is to add fire for the
national monetary inflation. That specified politician to use this fake and
deceive political agenda to mislead and to take advantage of people has real
intention behind which is to bring socialism to the USA.
You know Me, "Where are all those shovel ready jobs?" you apparently
weren't listening (what a surprise). Everyone of the shovel ready jobs was
in fact created and filled, and it's those very jobs that stopped the
economic free fall that John McCain decided to suspend his campaign for a
weekend to solve. Here's the issue as best described by Mr.
Piketty of France. Our economy has come full circle and now is back to
it's destiny where return on capital is higher than the growth of the
economy. Thus the financial economy we find ourselves in where labor is not
just undervalued it's just not valued. Mr. Piketty's
point is that this is the natural state of capitalism and the decades from 1910
through 1970 were the aberration because of devastating hits capital took with
the depression and two world wars. There are solutions (however the
50's are gone forever), however "where are the shovel ready jobs?"
simply insures the decline of America.
Dependency is not compassion, its just another form of slavery! All the food
stamps in the world will never, never eliminate poverty. In fact it enables
poverty by locking people into dependency for generations. Private sector jobs
will eliminate more poverty than governemtn ever will.
Correction:My bad, had some typos, was typing on my phone. Poor,
not pool, and the, not he. My bad everyone.
Yes we can! Yes we can! Yes we can!Oh yes, that chant still haunts
us today:) All of the hope and change for the Utopian society that was promised
with a little more socialism, a little more of a kind caring compassionate
government to hold our hands. A leader that can take a nation filled with
"stupid" people and teach them the correct way to care for the poor.
No, it's not by providing good paying jobs. The real path is by printing
money, borrowing money, increase social programs, add more people to the system,
get more people out of work.Yes that was the recipe spelled out
during the elections. And the masses enthusiastically chanted their savings,
their future, their dreams, their education, their mobility away.How
could their "savior" lead them astray? No, he couldn't have.
It's Bush's fault, Fox News fault, It's the Republicans no wait
it's the Tea Party...grasping at straws they look for others to blame. It
couldn't be barack huessein Obama our pot smoking, chain smoking president.
No his wife tells us to exercise...how could this be?Yeswecan! Yes
we can! Yes we can!
The underlying problem that liberals refuse to acknowledge is that their
programs have successfully convinced an alarmingly large number of people that
it is their entitled right to be supported by other people, and that a lifetime
on the liberal welfare plantation is to be preferred to a lifetime of toil and
progressively [ironic term...] better paying jobs as people increase their
skills and prove their worth to employers.How many of these food
stamp recipients wold actually show up every day for a year if a job were
offered to them? How many would stick around just long enough to qualify for
food stamps again? How many would game the system and manage to get on
"disability" instead? The truly needy, truly unable to find
a job have Obama to blame for his destruction of our economy and refusal to
accept any Republican or conservative solutions. Meanwhile, areas like North
Dakota and Texas are booming, because they are relatively free from federal
Here's the problThe underlying problem that liberals refuse to acknowledge
is that their programs have successfully convinced an alarmingly large number of
people that it is their entitled right to be supported by other people, and that
a lifetime on the liberal welfare plantation is to be preferred to a lifetime of
toil and progressively [ironic term...] better paying jobs as people increase
their skills and prove their worth to employers.em with
conservatives;"The poor are workers. " that a
lifetime on the liberal welfare plantation is to be preferred to a lifetime of
toil"Absolute conservative fantasy. Think of it
this way even if you had 14% unemployment you still have 85% of eligible folks
working. If over 50% of snap recipients are of working age you might assume 85%
of them are in fact working. It's also reasonable to assume a large number
of the other snap recipients are not even working age. I know
that's a number of assumptions, the point however is one, it is not the
liberal dream to take other peoples money, and secondly the poor work.
@DN Subscriber"liberal welfare plantation"Why do you
have to use a racialized phrase like that?@pragmatist for life"If over 50% of snap recipients are of working age you might assume 85% of
them are in fact working. "That's a faulty assumption.
You'd expect most of the unemployed (around 7%) to be receiving food
stamps. I'm not quite sure what that leaves for % of people on food stamps
who are working but it's much lower than 85% (maybe around 30-50%).
@anti-liar"Undoubtedly we're going to see the typical,
callous rationalizations for oppressing the hireling in his wages."The Federal minimum wage has been raised 39 times in the history of this
country. Have any of those 39 times succeeded in abolishing poverty or income
inequality? Have any of those 39 times even reduced poverty or income
inequality? The answer is no. So what makes you think raising it a 40th time
is going to do the trick?Every raise of the minimum wage has just
further deepened poverty and grown income inequality. Raising the minimum wage
is not the solution to the poverty/inequality problem! The solution is a return
to those principles that made this country prosperous to begin with: Honesty,
hard work, and less whining.
I have 6 kids in college who don't use food stamps, grants orlive with us
and will have no debt on graduating. It can be done. They work hard and started
families within a year. Their friends,cousins take food stamps, grants for
school, and some live at home rent free saying it's impossible without
mooching off mom and government. Our church teaches self reliance.When I mention
this they say oh yea we believe that but this is different they need help for
school While my kids eat ramen noodles with furniture thats hand me down their
cousins buy new TV's, go on vacations, etc. People lower their standards
when things are free and made legal by our government trying to enslave our kids
with debt and not learning to work. My kids worked since they were young and
have saved for college and missions and paid for all. Their friends don't
work knowing that can get a free ride to college.Even when my husband and I were
without a job we did odd jobs till something came,never taking a dime from
@Brave Sir RobinAlways, it seems, when people allude to "work
ethic," it is a one-way street. It is about the worker, in terms of what
benefits the employer. "Work ethic" actually is a two-way
street. It is not just about "Honesty, hard work, and less whining."
It also is about dealing justly with one's neighbor and paying him what he
justly has earned and deserves for his time and faithful labor. THAT is the lesson needed in today's society. The insinuation that poor
Americans are bums, is false. Americans are harder-working and more productive
than EVER in history. But GREED on the part of employers has become a major
problem in this county.@carpoolmomNow let's be
careful about not implying or assuming that if others are not as "fully
self-sufficient" as you say your kids are, then they must be slackers.
There are far more parameters than what you have named and if we were to ask you
a number of questions, we may well find that in fact, your children have several
advantages that many do not. Hard work and frugality solve many problems, but
not all of them.
I like your comments carpoolmom. I haven't figured if it is genetics or
environment that makes the difference on how children turn out. Genetics rule -
but lifestyle and parenting (or lack thereof)exacerbates. Choices, decisions,
and ruts we get in.I saw a friend in the store and asked how her two boys
were that were the same age as my two youngest sons, 24 and 26 respectively.
"Oh, she said, they are living at home and looking for work". I
accidentally blurted out,'Living at home?" I guess I was thinking of my
two youngersons who gladly moved out and are now a mechanical engineer and
a CPA.Parents need to show the lead and direct their children from an
early age.But then again Jesus said it a couple of thousand years ago,
"The poor you have with you always."
@Chris B: "My bad, had some typos, was typing on my phone. Poor, not pool,
and the, not he. My bad everyone."But no apologies for your broad
brush over simplification and offensive description of the poor?Yes, your
bad but IMVHO it's not your typing you should be apologizing for.
Article title: "Most food stamp recipients are working-age — for the
first time"You can thank Pres. Obama and his Democrat cronies
for that. Sorry, liberals, you can't blame this on Bush. Notice the title
says "for the FIRST time". Ahhhh, the genius of liberal
thought, or, as Margaret Thatcher once said, "Socialism is great. Until you
run out of other people's money."America, I weep for