I also see two senators - one who embarrasses us by taking a co-starring role in
a shutdown that cost billions; another who embarrasses himself by staying way
too long. I urge my fellow Utahns to help clean house.
"I hear one man [Mike Lee] crying out for a return to our founding documents
and principles."The writer and Mike Lee tout a particular
interpretation of the founders. The one founder most shunned is Alexander
Hamilton. Hamilton has been called the father of American capitalism - for good
reason as the contemporary scene follows Hamilton's prescriptions closely,
including public debt and the Federal Reserve. I agree there is a lot to
dislike about Hamilton, but he shows that the ideas the tea party right most
dislike have been with us from the very beginning of the American republic.
Mike Lee stands in front of cameras and whines when he is blocked from getting
his own way and inflicting Tea Party tyranny n the country. Mike Lee does not
support the Constitution. In fact, Mike Lee doesn't even understand the
Constitution. He does not work for the best interests of the country. He does
not work for the best interests of the people of the United States. He does not
work for the best interests of the people of Utah. He needs to be evicted from
office the net time he stands for election, and be blocked in his efforts to
hurt us all until we can put a GOOD Senator in his place.Mike Lee is
the LAST person this country needs, or should want.
One senator is so bent on getting 100% of what he wants that he is
inflexible.In the end, he fights a good battle, but gets nothing.And some hold this out as great leadership. It is touted as standing on
principle.Rarely in a negotiation, does one get 100% of what they
want. Good leaders realize this and find a compromise that all can accept.
Bretton..... I have no issues with you desire to remind Washington whom they
serve.... but when you start talking about a singular person can channel the
collect soul of the founding fathers, that is where it all falls apart. There
was no uninimity across founding fathers. In fact, they argued and bickered
just like today across many issues.... some a contentious as valuing a certain
portion of the population as only being 3/5ths of a person. This issue would
eventually erupt tearing this nation in two.There was no such thing
a "intent of the founding fathers". What they did do is create a
great mechanism for dealing with these differences. But don't pretend that
just because someone does not subscribe to your brand of America that they love
this nation any less. And just because they respect both the flag and
constitution enough to not cheapen them into props on stage for self
promotion... doesn't mean they don't cherish this nation just as much.
Yaaaaaahooooo!!!I agree! This letter has inspired me to grab my tea
party hat from the garbage, put on my colonial stockings, and invade the next
town hall to yell at and belittle my representative!Let's rally
behind Mike Lee's plan. Let's support his legislation. I mean, just
look at all the good stuff he's passed...
Didn't Mike shut the government down and hurt southern Utah's tourism
and rural economies? Didn't it also hurt non-military families working on
military bases? I think most Utahns are having second thoughts about his
tactics for defending the Constitution...
"One man says to let the people have liberty and be free. "That was a real hoot! Thanks for the morning laugh. And no, I won't be
supporting Mike Lee of the Party T.
Gag!btw -- Despite this letter, Offs are - Bretton
Ferraro is a Republican, and voted for Orrin Hatch anyway.
Americans who can read and who do read know that Mike Lee has read the
Constitution and that he makes no apologies for defending the Constitution.
Orrin Hatch is embarrassed by the Constitution. He told us that he would throw
out ObamaCare. He did not tell us that he would replace ObamaCare with its
identical twin, HatchCare. Mike Lee knows what duties Congress has been
authorized to perform. Orrin Hatch cares only about money. He brought the NSA
to Utah. He stomped all over the 4th Amendment so that government could spy on
us, could listen to our cell phone calls, could read our emails. Mike Lee can
read. He can use simple deductive logic to see that the ObamaCare TAX that the
Supreme Court allowed Congress to assess is not linked to any authorized duty of
Congress. He stood against it. Mike Lee did not shut down the government.
Barrack Obama shut down the government. Anyone is entitled to an opinion, but
nobody is entitled to their own set of facts.
Well said Marist."God will not look kindly on a generation that
was given everything but fought for nothing."Just because those
who are fighting for civil rights (SSM), a fair wage, clean air, a women's
right to govern her own health decisions, are fighting for principles and causes
you don't agree with doesn't mean fights aren't taking place.
I've been a Republican and only changed because they became
conservatives. Two views of economics and two views of international
involvement usually is a good thing. What is not good is an ideology mired in
the past trying to solve the problems of a world that literally changes at light
speed. The civil rights of a time when white, straight, men made
all the rules, are very different from a society that acknowledges and includes
all races, genders, sexual orientations, and ontological beliefs.It
is not helpful to have a point of view that rather than celebrating the genius
of founders who not only gave us both specific laws but also general principles
to use those laws through time, tries to drag us back to circumstances that
have long expired. Repbulicans..ahh maybe..conservatives, no.
Blah, Blah, Blah...Mike Lee might read the Constitution Mike, butSenator Fiscally irresponsible didn't even pay his own house
payments.BTW -- Why do you keep attacking Orrin Hatch when you
voted for him and kept him in office?Talk about audacity...
So, Mike Richards,Did you vote for Orrin Hatch in 1976, 1982, 1988,
1994, 2000, 2006 and 2012?
One Senator doesn't want communists, tax cheats and racists in the
President's Cabinet, the other says a President should have whoever he
wants in his cabinet and voted accordingly. I haven't voted for that one
for at least 18 years.Senator Lee did not shut down the gov't, that
was Obama. Lee doesn't control the operations of the gov't, Obama
does. Lee didn't block view pull offs to see Mt. Rushmore, that was
Obama's doing. Lee didn't block OUR national monuments, Obama did
that. Let's put blame where it belongs, right on Obama's shoulders. He
refuses to see the national disaster that is his namesake - Obamacare. Lee has
my vote until he gets Potomac fever, (seems every one who stays too long in
Washington come down with it, eh, Hatch?)
"Lee has my vote until he gets Potomac fever"Potomac fever =
politicians who vote and legislate based on the money they receive from
corporations and unions.Are you for ending corporate and union
contributions and lobbying?Until that changes, potomac fever is
inevitable for all of our elected representatives.
You agree with one and not the other. With much hyperbole. Got it. What I
don't get is why god is going to be grumpy with a generation that has been
given stuff they didn't fight for. It was given to them. Why fight?
Mike RichardsIf one reads the constitution, the sure understanding
one walks away with is that the majority does, in fact, rule. No majority, no
ability to make legislation. Oh, and that President guy gets a say too.The Tea Party with Cruz at the lead and Lee in the wings wanted to shut
down the govt. unless they could get their way with Obamacare. Here
are Lee’s own words in July of 2013:“If Republicans in
both houses simply refuse to vote for any continuing resolution that contains
further funding for further enforcement of Obamacare, we can stop it, we can
stop the individual mandate from going into effect.”So, the
Senator knew what he was doing. He was advocating to either defund Obamacare
or shutdown the govt.Older Republican leaders (who can read or
remember history) told them it was a bad idea. But you don’t need to
listen when you are dead sure you are right. The President could not help but
win this one but they went ahead anyway. This is the very definition of a
Why is it that conservatives consistently are misinformed on issues? President
Obama shut down the government? Really? Show me which piece of legislation he
vetoed, or signed, that did this. What bill was it? He shut down the monuments?
Show me where he made that order. Why is it that conservatives are
so misinformed on both our Constitution and our founding fathers? There is no
question that many of our founding fathers would strongly oppose the
conservative movement of today. These people were NOT uniform in their believes
of how government should function. Some thought federal government should have
far more power and that states should have little. These people, these
intellectual elitists, would have just as divergent opinions today. The
Constitutiin does not come close to supporting most of the positions the
conservatives take. Conservatives are consistently wrong about what the
Constitution allows, or doesn't allow. Conservatives, especially those who
think no one else has read it or understand it, are consistently wrong about it.
The tea party platform? Don't bother with an actual plan, doing the job you
were hired to do or worries about actually being factual, we can beat them and
lead with hyperbole.
Is the letter writer hammering those of us who NEVER voted for Orrin Hatch? or Is the letter writer hammering those who ALWAYS have voted for Orrin
Hatch?andIs the letter writer defending the OLD Mike
Lee, orthe new and improved Mike Lee?Which one?Either way -- just more of the GOP eating the GOP political circus, witch hunt of the Republican Party.
Mike Lee wants to take things back so far that he supports repealing the
Amendment allowing for direct election of senators by the people.
Owen,A starring role in the shutdown? harry reid is not from Utah. HE
shut down the government. the house voted to keep it open, harry would not even
allow a vote.Baron, OwenHow can a senator from the minority
party shut down the government? They cannot call a vote in the senate. The
person responsible for the shutdown is reid.Mark,BO did not
shut down the government – it was reid. Of course, had reid allowed a
vote on the legislation to keep the government open and it had passed the
obstructionist senate, I suspect BO would have vetoed it.
The fact is, many of us would like to return to the simpler life we had before,
but it just isn't possible. Time doesn't stand still and we
can't either. Senator Lee is at war with our present
government and if he wins, we all lose. We cannot win by destroying the only
thing that is protecting us. On another field, would the Super Bowl
have been possible if football was being played by the rules of long ago?
Mike Lee knows a lot about the Constitution, but I don't know if he's
the best Senator ever. I hope he can learn to get along in Washington (without
getting co-opted as they all eventually do into the Washington as usual fog).Lee may be the best candidate we have available when he comes up for
re-election, we don't know yet. But I don't see anybody out there
who would be an obvious option to replace him.===Hatch
committed last time that it was his last. Even if he runs again.. he
won't win (that is a certainty).So the better question is not
who will replace Mike Lee... but who will replace Hatch?
"He didn't make his house payments".... must be the anti-Lee
talking point today.Is that going to be your campaign against him?
His personal life?
@mike How exactly did Obama shut down the government? I thought it was the
legislative branches job to pass a budget which they failed to do which lead to
the government shut down . you are right about one thing though you are not free
to make up your own facts. @lost how can a minority party shut
down the government? Simple force a super majority vote on every new legislation
including the budget.
He could talk but he could not create. The shutdown was already in effect when
Mike Lee supported the filibuster against the legislation ending it. He did not
cause the shutdown.Harry Reid forced the total shutdown of the
federal government.And if we are going after character smears for
past experiences, lets start at the top of our federal government and start
working down. Obama in his own book admits to using cocaine, which in some
states would be a felony. So as a critic of Mike Lee please keep it to his
policies, and remember if the past matters, as it should...,
@Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahOrrin Hatch is embarrassed by
the Constitution. He told us that he would throw out ObamaCare. Orrin Hatch
cares only about money. He brought the NSA to Utah. He stomped all over the 4th
Amendment so that government could spy on us, could listen to our cell phone
calls, could read our emails. 7:30 a.m. Feb. 3, 2014========== You know, The only thing funny I can come up
about your rants about Orrin Hatch, would be to know that you also voted
for Barack Obama...
@hahahahaThat was quite the string of hyperbole about Obama and
those you disagree with, to bad it flies in the face of the fact that it was
congress including senator Lee that failed to pass a budget thereby shutting
down the government, but hey why let a little thing like reality get in the way
of a good rant.
Those who post personal attacks against other posters must think that being a
school yard bully is the political correct thing to do. The issue is our two
Senators, not other posters. What happens in a voting booth is private and the
Deseret Moderators moderators have a duty to insure that it always remains
private. No one is allowed to look over our shoulder. There are no microphones
present. There are no TV cameras recording how we vote. Even the judges who
certify that an election was properly run cannot watch a voter as he pushes the
button; yet, the moderators allow some posters to pretend that they were spying
in the voting booth. The moderators allow supposition to be posted in the
Deseret News. Why not rename the Deseret News "The National Enquirer, Utah
Edition"?Mike Lee stands for the Constitution. Barrack Obama
issued the orders that shut down the government. Congress cannot do that. Only
the Executive Branch has that authority. Obama shut it down to save his failed
ObamaCare. Look what has happened since. More failure. Every Democrat is
running for cover. And you blame Lee?
I'm still waiting for this Mike Lee fellow to call out and rebuke the
flying of the Confederate flag at his little protest, the symbol of treason and
rebellion. I guess that is acceptable to appear to advocate open revolt. Now
tell me who is patriotic.
Shut down of the government? Planned and prepared for by the Administration.
Choices of what should be shut down? Planned and prepared for by the
Administration. Signs in place the day of.Perhaps the only thing the
Democrats are good at, creating pain and chaos.
@mike richards the government shut down when congress failed to provide
the funding to keep the doors open, simple economics mike, had he kept the doors
open republicans would have complained that he was side stepping their authority
by keeping government open and ignoring the power of the purse string which
belong to the congress.
Springstreet needs to go read up on the facts of the pretend shutdown. The senate didn't get to vote on over 20 funding bills because Harry Reid
wouldn't bring them to the floor. Pretend shut down is primarily his
fault.You can credit Boehner with refusing 1 bill to be voted on.
That would make him about 3% responsible.You can't blame Lee.
His one vote never made a bit of difference. 0% responsible for shutdown.You can blame Obama, as he was pulling Harry's puppet strings. He
and Reid share 97% responsibility for the pretend shut down. Obama is also 100%
responsible for the choices of what to shut down and what not to. He could of
used his magic pen and phone to keep everything open.
"You can't blame Lee. His one vote never made a bit of difference. 0%
responsible for shutdown."This is one of the most wonderful
examples of circular logic out there. The man grandstands (Lee)….
personally tells the nation that he is going to shut down the government, and
yet, then is absolved of all responsibility for it when it fails to achieve its
objectives."“Congress, of course, has to pass a law to
continue funding government,” Lee said. “Lately, we’ve been
doing that through a funding mechanism called a continuing resolution. If
Republicans in both houses simply refuse to vote for any continuing resolution
that contains further funding for further enforcement of Obamacare, we can stop
it, we can stop the individual mandate from going into effect.”Yep…. Lee had nothing to do with it….. 0 percent responsibility.
Lee even sent a letter asking congress people to defund the government….
14 originally signed… half had their names later removed. 0 percent
Has anybody stopped to think about the possibility that the short partial
government shutdown may have (in the long run) been a good thing?Think about it...- Since then there has been more cooperation in
Washington. They passed 2 debt limit increase bills with bipartisan support.
They passed a federal budget for the first time in the Obama Administration (and
without a lot of drama and partisan grandstanding I might add). They saved
billions of $$$ in those few days the government was shut down and not spending.
It finally brought some things to a head.Is it possible that the
partial shutdown actually had some GOOD long term effects?The left
keeps lambasting him for being involved in the shutdown, but could it have been
a good thing for some of them to finally come to their senses (on both sides)?
@hahahaha How exactly did I do that? I see no were in my comment
were I took away or stated i thought your free speech should be taken away. @badgerAnd why did the senate not vote on the bills, thats
right because Lee and his friends shut down the Senate by forcing super majority
votes to do anything. its not the facts I have a problem with its the distortion
of them, The facts are simple congress is responsible to pass a budget, they
failed to do so.
Spring Street,Would you please tell us WHICH parts of government
were not funded? Where the parks and monuments funded? Why did Obama shut down
the parks and monuments? Was WIC funded? Why did Obama shut down WIC? Was the
military funded? Why did Obama furlough civilian workers on military bases?
Was Medicare and Social Security funded? Why did Obama stop sending checks?
Was ObamaCare funded? Why has Obama NOT implemented ObamaCare?The
only thing that was not funded is still the only thing that Obama refuses to
implement. He used ObamaCare as his reason for shutting down essential services
that had been fully funded by Congress, yet he blamed the Republicans for
shutting down government.Very foolish people believe him. Those who
refuse to read the facts believe him. Those who think that our elected
Representatives shut down the government, believe Obama.Obama was
caught in a lie. That should surprise no one. There seems to be no end to his
lies. What is surprising is how gullible many citizens are when they refuse to
read, to think and to check for themselves why Obama shut down the government.
Where the parks and monuments funded?Was WIC funded? Why did Obama shut
down WIC?Was Medicare and Social Security funded? Mr
Richards,Which of these things do you feel that the Federal
Government should be funding?Do you feel that any of these things are
provided for in the constitution?Why isn't you take that
"These things should not be federally funded in the first place so there
should be no complaints"
Senator Lee ruined his effectiveness with the infamous tea party tantrum show
while following The Texas Senator. He should resign.
Lee and company had ONE failed filibuster. It had NO EFFECT. It didn't tie
up the senate from voting on any of the other 20+ funding bills.Talk
about distortion of the facts!The other 20 plus bills never went to
the floor courtesy of Harry Reid, the hand that caused the pretend shutdown. Once again, Lee talked a lot, but that is all he was able to do. His
filibuster and vote made no difference. Reid's hand controlled what
happened in the senate, not Lee. And obviously neither of them controlled what
happened in the house.
@mike richardscongress did not simply not pass funding for the ACA
they actually did not pass any spending bill at all. the fact is that the GOP
did want to defund or delay the ACA and refused to pass a bill out that included
funding for the ACA but at no point did the congress actually pass a bill
through both houses that funded any part of the government. For someone that
worries about people making up their own facts you sure seem to do it a lot.
@Owen:"I also see two senators - one who embarrasses us by taking a
co-starring role in a shutdown that cost billions; another who embarrasses
himself by staying way too long."You've a slight error
there in your comment that I'd be willing to help you correct.It's one senator and an occupant of the White House who shut the
government down. The senator is the leader of the senate and the other guy sits
in the Oval Office."I urge my fellow Utahns to help clean
house."Your fellow Utahns could help remove the one guy... but
the people of Nevada are needed to remove the other guy.
As one whose job would be adversely impacted by a shutdown, I followed the very
public House GOP strategy to use the threat of a shutdown as it played out in
the summer and early fall of 2013.It was a weapon that their side
put on the table.They did so willingly.They did so
gambling that the Democrats would back down, or that they would emerge less
scratched from a shutdown.Both gambles failed.They were
the ones who pulled the trigger on the shutdown. It was their strategy.Blaming the other side for the GOP's deployment of its own
deliberate and stated strategy is an exercise in sophistry.Obama
didn't shut the government down. It shut down as required by federal law
when Congress failed to pass an annual appropriations budget to begin Fiscal
Year 14. And that failure is directly attributable to the extreme right of the
GOP, whose members *cheered* in the House Chamber when the shutdown went into
If Mike Lee really does "fight for the Constitution" then why is he flip
Obama shut down the government? Huh? Nice try repubs, but we aren't stupid.
"Michele Bachmann said she and her Republican colleagues in the
House are "very excited" about the prospect."It's
exactly what we wanted, and we got it," she continued.""If the House GOP stands firm and refuses to play ball with the Senate,
"people will be very grateful," Bachmann told the WaPo."Sorry repubs, but this one is on you. Own it. You built the government
shutdown. You thought it would force Obama's hand. It didn't. Now own
It is pointless to try to convince Mike Richards, jsf, BadgerBadger, lost in DC,
CB, wrz, and others that the real, proximate cause of the partial government
shutdown was the refusal on the part of House Republicans to pass a Continuing
Resolution that didn't exclude funding for the ACA; just as it is pointless
for them to try to convince Furry1993, UtahBlueDevil, Baron Scarpia, Twin
Lights, mark, spring street, Tolstoy, Res Novae, The Real Maverick, and others
that the real, proximate cause of the partial government shutdown was the
refusal on the part of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (at the direction of
the Obama Administration) to allow the Continuing Resolution(s) that the House
did pass (sans ACA funding) to come to a vote on the Senate floor. It is
probably safe to say that the only thing about which these two disparate groups
of DN Opinion forum commenters would agree is that the real, proximate cause of
the partial government shutdown is in dispute, at least among the commenters in
this forum. Everything else is really just opinion based on a complicated set
of circumstances, and "peppered" with varying degrees of *post hoc, ergo
propter hoc* logic.
It is pointless to try to get the liberal lot to see that any democrat is at
fault for anything he/she does. All that seems to matter to them is that the
money for vote buying programs, which have bought their vote, continues to flow
to them. Until there is catastrophic economic ruin in the US, and
the great recession apparently wasn't catastrophic enough, they will value
a quick few bucks over the long term wellness of the country.We
could work for complete and long term prosperity for all. But class jealousy and
Obama worship is more important too many people. They want equal poverty, rather
than equal opportunity and prosperity.
SG in SLC,I’ll take my lumps when due. But I am not a
Democrat. I am one of those dreaded “RINOs” who besmirches the name
Republican because I believe in the “evils” of compromise,
cooperation, and even having friends across the aisle.No. This one
really was the Republican’s fault. The Tea Partiers would not listen to
the “establishment” Republicans and the “establishment”
types couldn’t impose party discipline. They had to let the markets
(voters) do it for them.Now we are seeing a very different party.
Why? Because they were chastened by failure.It was what it was. A
Republican attempt to slow roll Obamacare into oblivion. Didn’t work.
Time to own it, learn from it, and move on.
@mark:"President Obama shut down the government? Really?"It was Harry Reid, the Senate leader, who shut down the government... with the
encouragement of Obama. It works like this... The House passed a government
funding bill, which, according to the US Constitution is their duty (Article
1.7). The bill was sent to the Senate for action but Harry Reid refused to take
it up. And Obama said he wouldn't sign it. So the government was shut
down. The House cannot issue the shut-down order nor can the Senate. The
president is the chief executive of the government. Only he has the authority
to give the order to shut anything down. He concentrated on the parks to get
the maximum effect of the shut down. Notice that the Congress and the White
House were not shut down. Ask yourself why. These organizations are part of
the government."Some thought federal government should have far
more power and that states should have little."Many didn't.
Here's what one founder said... 'I am committed against anything
which may weaken or destroy the Constitution especially against all extensions
of Executive power... Daniel Webster.
Mike, et. al. -- R.L. Stevenson said: "to tell the truth is not merely to
state the facts, but to leave a true impression." When the history of the
last few years is written, it will say: ..."the real, proximate
cause of the partial government shutdown was the refusal on the part of House
Republicans to pass a Continuing Resolution that didn't exclude funding for
the ACA;" and "the efforts' most vocal supporters in the senate
were Ted Cruz and Mike Lee." Of course, those history books will
not be credible, having been written by outside-the-talk-radio bubble
historians. You can repeat "Reid/Obama did it" all day long, but your
facts are yours alone (along with the talk-radio audience.
@SG in SLC:"It is pointless to try to convince Mike Richards, jsf,
BadgerBadger, lost in DC, CB, wrz, and others that the real, proximate cause of
the partial government shutdown was the refusal on the part of House Republicans
to pass a Continuing Resolution that didn't exclude funding for the
ACA..."It is the responsibility of the House to decide which
parts of government is to be funded for the next fiscal year. With that
authority, the House passed a funding bill that provided funding to the entire
government except Obamacare. This is their call. This bill is to go to the
Senate for action. But Harry Reid refused to even take it up. The House passed
several government funding bills and Reid refused to take them up. Hence, the
government run out of money to pay the bills. So, who did it? Not the House.
The Congressmen did their job per the US Constitution. The Senate, with the
encouragement of the president failed to do its job.
Wrz- I give up. You and Ted Cruz (after getting kicked in the face by public
opinion) are right. When you tell me you'll burn down my town
if I don't disavow my deeply held beliefs, I'll take responsibility
for the ash heap.
I read over the comments here aimed at Mike Richards... and I must admit they
give me a smile. As odd as it sounds, the more I read from Mike, the more i
get him. He largely comes from a time and place where things were much more
simple .... where most people believed the same way..... and most looked and
behaved in a similar fashion. Much of my family comes from the same place.They bring with them life experiences that shape their opinions, and
where they see things in different ways than the rest of us do. And that is ok.
There are many fundamental things I am sure I agree with Mike on.This loops us back to Senator Lee. If he and I were to meet, I am sure there
is much we would agree upon. I am sure we would agree that there has to be a
more efficient way to deliver government services. The how is where the
disagreement would likely come into play.Where I have issue is
anyone saying any individual channels the intent of the founding fathers. It is
just not possible, because they too were a very diverse group of men.
Re: "If one reads the constitution, the sure understanding one walks away
with is that the majority does, in fact, rule."Then why
isn't the large, large majority of Americans that opposes Obamacare ruling?
:Then why isn't the large, large majority of Americans that opposes
Obamacare ruling?:Because not everyone dislikes it for the same
reasons you do. In fact, there is a portion that don't think it went far
enough. Or others think it needs to be tweaked or fixed, not repealed. I
know, shockingly, there are more than to trains of thought out there..... it
isn't all "A or B", good or evil, black or white, or even
conservative or liberal.The largest voting block today is registered
as non-partisan. Moving forward, getting anything done is gong to take a
plurality of people...
Procuradorfiscal,Because the people do not legislate. The people do
not execute the laws. The people do not judge the law of the land. Those tasks
are assigned in our constitution to specific parties (two of whom the people get
to vote for).If you want to pass legislation, you need votes - in
both houses. And unless you have the super-majority outlined in the
constitution, you will need the president to agree. Without that, you get
bupkis.WRZ,“All Bills for raising Revenue shall
originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur
with Amendments as on other Bills.”AND“Every
Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall,
before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States: If
he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections
to that House in which it shall have originated . . . “BTW -
Anyone remember when folks were clamoring for the President (Reagan at the time)
to have line item authority on the budget? Anyone want that now?
Orin Hatch is a product of over 30 years in Washington. The crony-ism and the
good ole boy - don't rock the boat culture. Washington is dysfunctional
because of people just like Hatch who have long overstayed their usefulness and
have now become a road block to anything changing. Mike Lee is the future ...if
we still have one left in this country. If you listen to Mike you get it that
Mike understands what needs to be done to restore fiscal sanity to our country.
I will also say that KSL is connected to Orin Hatch at the hip and the two form
a team to destroy Mike Lee. KSL - with Doug Wright - and the other liberal
progressives don't want change and they will do whatever is needed to
retain their power base. Utah needs to distance itself from Orin Hatch and KSL
otherwise we risk being part of the problem in Washington not the solution.
What Mike Richards doesn't want is anyone disagreeing with him. Period!
But the problem he has now is people are becoming more and more educated. They
don't believe the arguments that have been forced in their faces. Mr.
Richards has given misinformation in abundance. He now wants the Deseret news
to make others stop "attacking his statements". Come on Mr. Richards,
we just don't believe all that you print. Sometimes it doesn't make
logical sense! I find that people just are not buying the hype. Mr. Richards
calls our President a liar but when the tables turn he runs for cover. People
are angry and tired of the propaganda.
airnaut,Which Senator is "Senator fiscal responsible"?I know Hatch says he is fiscal responsible, but he voted for TARP (during the
Bush administration) and voted for the wallstreet and auto-industry bailouts
during the Obama administration, and he voted for the federal budgets that
hugely increased our debt (during the Bush and Obama administrations).Which Utah representative is fiscal responsible?What Senator in
Washington (from ANY State)... is "fiscal responsible"?
2 bits... Define "fiscal responsible" please...If your ox is
in the mire because others put the mire there, do you remove the mire entirely?
not knowing how it has affected other things or do you remove the mire in
segments?This is what kills me with people like the Tea party on the
right and the Nancy Pelosi's or left. it is "All or Nothing".Maybe the reason Hatch voted for the bail-outs is because the Bush and
Obama presidencies has pushed the economy to the brink of the cliff, sometime to
prevent bigger things from happening, you have to do the lesser of two
evils....in order to fix the current debt, size of government and
other issues, it needs to be done in a systematic way to prevent bigger problems
from happening. Neither side is doing that right now.
An outsider's view of Utah's two senators suggests one is in the
pocket of Zion Bank due to a speedy short sale and a subsequent mortgage relief
of nearly 300,000 dollars, while the other is beholden to big corporation
You know, I love my home here in Utah, but I am tired of people bashing this
great nation that has given us so much! Utah wouldn't be what it is without
being a part of the United States of America. This means we not only think about
Utah, but we stand together as one great nation! Our federal government is no
worse than the state government!