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In our opinion: Saving American men

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  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 12:08 a.m.

    50 years ago a young man graduating from high school had a reasonable chance of earning enough money on his won to raise a family and buy a house. So that is exactly what they did. A high school graduate to day has a reasonable chance of a part time job behind the counter at Wendy's with little chance to earn a decent living. So they stay in their parent's basement.

    If working class men had the same economic opportunities that their fathers and grandfathers did, many of our social problems would solve themselves.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 1:36 a.m.

    Wrestling is a great outlet for young men but since Title IX in 1973 over 200 programs dropped the sport including in our state BYU, Utah, Utah State, SUU, Snow College and Weber. This is just one example among many where the educational establishment and social engineering to a certain extent has and is attacking the male.

    But since a teacher salary is so low, males tend to avoid the profession today. Male teachers are disappearing across the nation in secondary schools and are pretty much an endangered species at the elementary level. This leaves a dearth of male role models in our schools.

    For those male students in schools, the institution is best structured for female students. Outdoor activity and play is lessened in favor of students following directions and being quiet.

    Finally, the male is under assault in our media. Take a look at our television programs. All too many males and fathers are portrayed as clueless and useless. I think this makes a difference in the psyche of our boys and young men in combination of these factors noted plus others.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 2, 2014 6:50 a.m.

    The so called "war on women" and pay inequality that Obama and the Demos loves to tout has been debunked! Obama loses what little credibility he still has left!

  • Mom of 8 Hyrum, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 7:29 a.m.

    As a mother of five sons, this issue has been preying on my mind for years now. I see so many public efforts to promote my daughters, to encourage their education and achievement, but so little for my boys.

    It's as if society has forgotten that the inequalities of the 1960s were fifty years ago, and the pendulum has swung the other way. But we have such a hard time moving on here in America, that we assume males still have all the advantages.

    They don't.

    My husband and I try to counter the marginalization of men we see all over the media and in public schooling, but it's a tough, tough battle, even with two parents.

    I'm grateful more people are noticing that BOTH sexes need encouragement. We seems to naturally ignore one when we obsess over the other. Balance is crucial for a balanced society.

  • heidi ho Fort Collins, CO
    Feb. 2, 2014 7:44 a.m.

    I think that there is something very special about challenging and mentoring young men to do HARD THINGS, to rise to difficult challenges, and be MEN OF GOD. Men, (my husband included) like to be challenged to be courageous and be encouraged by others, (including their wives) to rise and conquer difficult challenges in their lives. It takes strong leaders, and mentors to hold them to the bar of righteous manhood. I applaud all the young men who stand firm in their convictions.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    The root problem is the decades long liberal disease of "political correctness" which has undermined multiple traditional values which built strong families, a moral society, and provided economic opportunity for those who worked hard and followed the rules.

    Instinctive and inherent gender roles have been denigrated and attacked.
    The very institution of marriage has been attacked.
    The family unit as a prerequisite for child bearing has been attacked.
    The concept of reward for work has been attacked,and replaced by an entitlement mentality.
    Schools have shifted from teaching fundamental facts and skills into "feel good indoctrination centers" where everyone is a winner and no one excels.

    In short, liberalism has destroyed American men and families in order to make people dependent on liberal government programs and sustain liberals in power. It worked.

    The solution is to dismantle the liberal programs and restore traditional values. But, we have spent so much leaving our country so deep in debt, and so many people drowned in entitlement mentality that it may not be possible to recover.

  • Aaron S GREEN RIVER, WY
    Feb. 2, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    Good article--until you get to the last paragraph "Governments must..." Since when did government solve ANY problem--ever? Governments ARE the problem; at least a good-sized portion of it. If the problem is to be solved, it will only be solved when people realize that and entire culture based upon free and easy sex is perhaps the biggest issue: people are not getting married and creating strong family units. That, and that ONLY will ever solve the problem. And sorry, gay-marriage-advocates: your life style "just ain't gonna do it, neither", so-called "marriage" notwithstanding. When strong family units cease to exist, we see deterioration is every single aspect of society: the family is the "atom" of society and all the family-destroying tendencies of modern society are radioactive decay.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    To lump all men together is a mistake. What socio-economic classes and races are skewing the statistics one way or the other.

    I've always thought that one of the consequences of the women's liberation movement was the fact that it can emasculate men at the same time. There was no movement for men at the same time to adjust to the new ways.

    Men are expected to provide for their families. When they can't do that or are stopped from doing so without an alternative we will see problems and breakdowns in men's behavior.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    While there are many common sense elements of feminism - it is unfortunately based upon a clear and blatant lie: the assumption that biology does not matter and that men and women are merely persons with parts.

    Until that basic hate is vigorously confronted and expunged - both men and women will suffer

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 2, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    Everybody agrees that education is the key to success for young men. But we have made it virtually impossible for young men to afford going to college. It's breathtaking how much $$$ you have to put out when you have little or no income in the first place. What we could use right now is a free public university system. Of course Republicans would have a cerebral embolism if anyone were to suggest it...

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 9:33 a.m.

    Instead of trying to make this another opportunity to push religion, let's push knowledge. Knowledge and intelligence are valuable, and the women of our society seem to have a better grasp on this than the men. That, and men have abandoned its' pursuit.It's not necessarily mens' fault; our society heaps scorn on smart people but lauds the sports participant, jock, and warmonger. Are we celebrating creative arts or electrical engineering today. No, we're watching football. Is football really important? No.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    Let's not handle this issue with kid gloves. Let's tell it like it is. Young men are largely unproductive members of society because that is what they have been trained to be.

    Modern parents have spoiled and indulged their boys to the point that the boys are not expected to do anything that is the least bit hard. This is then reinforced by the public schools which have already lowered curriculum and expectations to the level of the least common denominator.

    This is all supplemented by the left-wing entertainment industry which teaches that a man is not a man unless he engages in wanton, uncontrolled sexuality. This will be on full display during the commercials and half time show of the Super Bowl.

    Society as a whole should be condemned for allowing young men to be such wasteful beings. Reformation must come before it is too late.

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    Education is the key to success. A couple of years ago a former teacher developed a classroom program to teach middle school kids the value of how to manage their money. It has been accepted at schools across the nation. She brought it to my school district and it was reviewed with resounding complements and praised as something that really filled a learning gap in simple economics which our students need. It never came back the next year it didn't return. When I asked why I was told it was too expensive and the money would be better used on a soccer field. I guess it is more important to learn to kick a ball around than to balance your checkbook.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 10:22 a.m.

    In 2013 there were 17 members of the Utah legislature that were women. That's 16%. Women hold 99 of the 535 seats in congress. 69 women are admirals or generals (~7%). Approximately 5% of Fortune 500 CEO's are women.

    Every major statistic shows men in the majority. How can men be so discriminated against?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 2, 2014 10:31 a.m.

    That is an interesting editorial. The comments about that editorial are just as interesting. Most people "get" the fact that society has changed the roles of men and women. Some "elitist" decided that the proper role of both men and women was to spend their lives chasing money. Some "elitist" decided that families were for "sissys" and that nurturing children was the job of the State, where that nurturing would take place in day-care and eventually in the school room.

    That "elitist" was wrong; but, correcting those ideas will take personal effort; correcting those ideas will require strong families; correcting those ideas will require that fathers and mothers tell their sons that it is time to leave the comfort of the nest and that they must assume their proper role of husband and father in society.

    Government has told men that if they have sexual intercourse, that they don't need to shoulder the responsibility of fatherhood. Government tells them that abortion is the first answer and that if abortion is rejected that welfare to the mother is the next answer.

    Strong families must reject government intrusion.

  • BoomSchtick West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 10:53 a.m.

    My wife and I have recently taken a vacation to the Island of Curacao. This is one of the things that REALLY stood out to us. As far as we could tell, the men around there did almost nothing. When driving around, you would see them standing around and drinking beer at all hours of the day. As we talked to natives and long time residence and even a few missionaries, that is the prevailing male culture there. The men are in the mindset of doing as little as possible to get by. They also seem to try to father kids that they have no intention of raising. The Women of that island are the real driving force from what we heard and what we could see.

    I certainly pray that the men of this country does not wander down that road.

  • SusanTX Dallas, TX
    Feb. 2, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    How does a high school education, cut off before college to do a religious "mission," help a young man complete college and enable him to achieve in an economy requiring no less than a Bachelor's Degree to have any success in life? College IS expensive, but it's mandatory for financial success, for men AND women. Time to stop arguing about who has the advantage, guys had it completely until 40 years ago, women are catching up. Griping won't change that, only hard work, college education, and equal pay for all doing the same job! The war on women continues, in spite of Title IX.

  • Demisana South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 11:29 a.m.

    I've got a young man. He has multiple issues, including Asperger's and both learning disabilities and giftedness. Think Sheldon, only totally disorganized and messy, and perhaps not quite so socially clueless (although still very much so!). Nevertheless, our expectations include a bachelor's degree, a mission of one kind or another, and that he will work and pay for it all himself. He has a full time good job, and he's going to college part time as he can afford it. I think way too many parents have just decided to throw up their hands. You have to set expectations, teach them how the system works, and follow through. You have to stay on top of it. We got him through high school, we'll get him through this, and he'll wind up with a STEM degree in a money making, desirable field where he can make a living and support a family. Even with his issues, he'll be ahead of 60% of the other young men out there...

  • MissTeaching Layton, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 12:25 p.m.

    Boys and young men need fathers who are a positive role model. A study recently published showed that boys get better at reading if a man works with them. I recently retired from teaching in the elementary school, and I could see a big difference in those children who came from intact homes and those who did not. If the father remained actively engaged in their sons life, some of the boys did well. I once had a boy in my classroom who was always getting into trouble. It about drove me crazy. It wasn't until we did our program at the end of the years and his father didn't show up that he completely fell apart. I had never seen him cry before. It was then that I realized that most likely he had misbehaved because he wanted attention from his father.

    This was an excellent article.

  • thunderbolt7 DUTCH JOHN, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 12:52 p.m.

    "40 percent of all babies these days are born out of wedlock." What's the demographics of that 40%? Poverty families? Rape? Race? Background of the mothers? Equally across America?

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 2, 2014 1:26 p.m.

    "Loan Peak High School"? Where is this peak where I can get a loan?

  • David Centerville, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 1:50 p.m.

    There are great young men in my neighborhood. Today several of them spent 3-5 minutes each teaching a portion of our priesthood lesson. Later, 6 of them went about collecting fast offerings (money contributions) which will be used to help the needy and poor. Earlier, many of them arrived at the church at 8 a.m. to set up chairs and get the building ready for worship services.

    I venture to bet that most of these young men are fasting today, as an expression of their faith, and to exercise their mental, physical, and emotional control over natural appetites.

    These young men are 14-15 years old. They plan activities, delegate assignments, lead their priesthood quorum, engage in social interactions, earn merit badges, and perform their duty to God. They are working hard in school by taking AP classes. Today some of them told me they are working towards college scholarships…after they serve a mission for their church.

    I understand that men and boys across America are struggling.

    Everyone struggles in todays world, but I would invite all to allow the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to influence them to greatness.

  • Leone LAYTON, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    @Howard Beal,
    It's not the fault of Title IX that wrestling programs have been dropped. It is really because of football and basketball programs which take so many "spots" from other sports, like wrestling. If colleges and universities were not so concerned about making money or gaining prestige from football, they wouldn't feel compelled to have 100 players on the football roster which would create more openings for sports like wrestling.

  • jpc53 Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    I was with you until you had to bring up the Lone Peak basketball team. This is a very serious problem and should be addressed as such, but I can't for the life of me understand what Lone Peak basketball has to do with it.

  • slpa1 West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 2:22 p.m.

    From the article:

    " Young men seem conditioned to regard things other than an education as most valuable in life."

    That should come as no surprise to anyone. When was the last time you read about an engineer, a mathematician, an architect, or any of many others, signing a 5-year, $60 million contract?

    No, what seems to be valued is those who can play football, basketball, baseball, or be a rap star or rock star or actor.

    This is not a liberal or conservative issue, it is a cultural one. If you want men to value education, you have to make it valuable. By worshiping athletes, actors, and popular musicians, you do not send that message.

  • A Quaker Brooklyn, NY
    Feb. 2, 2014 4:20 p.m.

    I'm sorry some commenters seek simplistic answers to difficult problems. This is as much a conservative-rooted problem as a liberal one.

    To some extent, we have to look at our macho traditions of manly men and womanly women. The job market has changed drastically in the last 40 years, and no longer provides as many largely masculine jobs, union jobs, or semi-skilled factory jobs. White-collar jobs in administration, finance and services have boomed, however. During this period, women have learned that they be a little less "womanly" with their own education and career. Yet, our culture still conditions young men to look for more "manly" pursuits, to be "Type-A" personalities, be aggressive.

    As the article notes, these problems are most pronounced in our largest urban centers, where survival among their peers requires young men to be macho. Too often, that's incompatible with school or training, so they fail to achieve.

    Perhaps we can only "save men" if we teach young men it's okay to be less "masculine," more cooperative, treat everyone as equals, and work hard in school.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 7:26 p.m.

    Leone:

    Sorry, you need to do your research as I have. There is a direct correlation with Title IX and the cutting of men's olympic sports like wrestling. 1973 is a pivotal year. It has been cited by college presidents as the reason why these sports were cuts. That's not just a correlation but a causation of the decision making process. Just ask Merrill Bateman--when I asked him via email about the reason why BYU was cutting its wrestling (and men's gymnastic program, he cited Title IX. That's good enough for me to place the blame squarely on Title IX. Yes, college football takes a lot of scholarships but without the quota quotient to enforce Title IX from the Office of Civil Rights, there wouldn't be need to cut any male programs. Before 1973, schools could scholarship unlimited amount of players but wrestling programs existed. It is Title IX and only Title IX that has caused wrestling programs and other men's programs to be cut.

  • Fan Base Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 7:46 p.m.

    How interesting this editorial should come out the same week as the "scandal" of not giving lunch to the children of parents who would not pay. When did we start issuing credit to school kids? And whose idea was that? Was it the food suppliers who were losing money when kids went hungry? When I was there, if you didn't pay, you didn't eat. It didn't take too many days of losing my lunch money to get that basic lesson. We coddle kids and expect them to grow into responsible adults.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Feb. 2, 2014 8:05 p.m.

    Roland Kayser,

    I agree that it would be nice if that were the case, but I think that world has disappeared. Our foreign development has been “too successful” as other countries now well occupy the space our economy did 50 years ago.

    Howard Beal, Mom of 8, Irony Guy, Miss Teaching

    Agreed. Though I have daughters and appreciate some of the benefits of Title IX.

    Hutterite,

    Yes, we need to push formal knowledge. But religious organizations can give the young men a different kind of knowledge – that the young man is valuable and has important God-given qualities.

    SusanTX,

    The young men and women I know (in various denominations) who fulfill missions are generally much more focused and derive significant benefits from their service time.

    Demisana,

    I have one of those. A wild but wonderful ride.

  • Lilalips Attleboro, MA
    Feb. 2, 2014 8:37 p.m.

    I agree with John Charity Spring. Young men are allowed by their parents, far too often, to play games whenever they want to. They have far too many gadgets with access to online porn. They are spoiled, coddled and then often neglected or abandoned. To train up a young man takes tremendous effort and time. I have two sons and they have both required far more work than my girls. However the rewards are also tremendous. Life has always been hard. I can't see blaming society. This life was never intended to be perfect. We need to teach boys to handle difficulty well. Then they will be men. Free university education will not accomplish this. Too many "free" things bring the opposite result. They start to feel "entitled" to this or that but then do not develop a sense of duty to others. It takes a tremendous investment of personal time and sweat equity to make strong men out of boys. Parents are the the first in line to do this, not schools.

  • Candidate Jackson Sandy, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 8:53 p.m.

    Wonderfully educating editorial. That it is not apples to apples to consider women's wages against men's until you account for education and other factors perhaps had not been considered by many of us. Did President Obama offer a solution, when he claimed women earn less? Would his solution be more student loans for women? Or, would it be a law saying women and men in the same positions must be paid the same? We would have to know what he would propose to have done (and then study that) before really knowing what is best.
    I do like all that the DesNews points out. Man's place as a breadwinner should not be compromised.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 9:22 p.m.

    The changing mix of jobs, from heavy manufacturing toward service industries, has been devastating to men of all ages. The decline in heavy manufacturing jobs has been in large part created by U.S. manufacturing firms abandoning America in favor of lower wage foreign countries, particularly Mexico, India, and China. This has created a mix of jobs in the U.S. for which males are much less suited. The service jobs are more confining and require intuitive social skills, where women excel. The manufacturing jobs which have been lost involve more activity and physical strength, even in this digital era. I don't mean to stereotype, I'm talking broad averages.

    To save American men from the capitalist meat grinder, manufacturing firms must not be allowed to always seek the lower wage option. We expect loyalty of our citizens in general, do we not? We should expect loyalty from our corporate citizens as well.

  • KanataHal Ottawa, 00
    Feb. 2, 2014 9:48 p.m.

    I don't think businesses are concerned about religious customs at all. They locate where there's talent and where the cost of business is low. The world is so connected now, and with the US accounting for only a small fraction of the world's population, it is unreasonable to expect every young American to have the natural ability to compete on this steeper playing field.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 10:06 p.m.

    Here is my second try. My last one said that TV rarely positively portrays a man who is the head of the household and that men need to step up and reach out to young men who do not have a positive male role model in their lives. I am not sure why the DesNews would find that objectionable. Women are currently carrying a disproportionate share of the work load in society. But for men to be responsible they need to be taught how. While many women are doing the best they can to teach their sons, young men need real men to show them the proper way to treat a woman (i.e. the opposite of what they see on TV) and to take responsibility for their families. While the economy has made it hard for many men to provide, many simply do not try.

    Until young men are taught that real manhood is cool, they are more likely to replicate the behavior they see on TV.

  • mountainlocal Brooklyn, NY
    Feb. 2, 2014 10:09 p.m.

    There has been a cultural shift with the baby boomers and their child rearing. Their parents, The Greatest Generation, looked at not only providing their children with food, clothing and shelter, but also a career. Especially for boys. It was a parental duty. My grandfather wouldn't have stood around to see one of his sons working in a dead end, low paying service job.

    Too many parents now have a mentality of "you're 18, you're an adult." They are throwing their kids to the wolves. How many parents are paying for their children's college education? How many kids now are stuck with low paying jobs, high student loans, or work multiple jobs to go to college?

    I thought it was supposed to be about making sacrifices, so the future generation could theoretically have a better life than the predecessors. Now I see parents buying bigger houses, cars, furniture and TVs, but not investing a dime for their kid's education or a business to learn.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 10:19 p.m.

    @ marxist
    Forcing people or companies to do what you view as the right thing is not the answer. The U.S. used to be the manufacturing hub of the world. We are getting beat by a number of other countries that have stepped it up a notch - not just by low wage centers like China. Travel the world and you are just as likely to find machinery built in Germany or Japan as in the U.S.

    We have gone soft on our kids. As noted by other commentators above, many young men are allowed to spend countless hours playing video games. I have been told by numerous teachers that the parents of the kids who are struggling rarely show up to parent-teacher conferences. Our students put in far fewer hours studying than in European and Asian countries - and girls out study the boys.

    It is time that we turn off the TV - where men are either portrayed as morons or womanizers, and convince our young men that they need to work hard now so that they can support their families later. We also need men to reach out to young men who lack a positive roll model.

  • john@sneekee draper, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 10:23 p.m.

    sure hope the education system gets better, since the Federal Department of Ed was created in 1979 its been all down hill. look at the statistics.

    not everyone needs a 4 or 6 or 8 year degree, many need to learn a trade, masonry, plumb, engineering, manufacturing.

    the biggest problem is the system has created a degrading environment for those that don't go to 4 years of higher ed to be a sociologist or counselor...we need to encourage real world trades and manufacturing.

    START TEACHING FINANCE and taxation so people can see how much money is taken in taxes and how much money it takes to pay back all the federal and state nonsense programs!

  • mountainlocal Brooklyn, NY
    Feb. 2, 2014 10:34 p.m.

    I'll add one more comment. People are starting families too young and become financially burdened before they are able to provide a stable income, thereby diminishing the future opportunities of their own offspring. A large economic indicator of poverty is a woman getting pregnant at an early age. Her child will have severely limited opportunities.

    Young families working around the clock to make ends meet and bringing more mouths to the table will typically have more economically disadvantaged children than those from established parents already earning a stable income in a professional field. This is a generalization, of course, so please don't reply with a story of how your uncle was a cop in the 70s and managed to raise a fine family of five on a civil servants salary. Times have changed and the dollar isn't stretching as far.

  • Rae M. Bountiful , UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 12:27 a.m.

    SusanTX, as a returned missionary, I think missions are extremely helpful for people. LDS missions are a great benefit to a young person. I was told before I served mine that I would work harder during my mission, than I ever had. And I did. Male missionaries are asked to work equally hard.
    Undergraduate studies also require a lot of work, at least mine did. So a successful mission helps prepare one to work hard afterward, in any endeavor. It takes two years longer, but the long-term payback is worth it. Employers like to hire returned missionaries, as they know the returned missionary generally will be a good worker.

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    Feb. 3, 2014 6:56 a.m.

    I'm really grateful for Mom of 8's comments. It's one of the largest problems I've struggled with, and I've done so most of my life. Unfortunately this is something that was even a problem as a missionary-from the first day I arrived at the Missionary Training Center to many of the talks and meetings we had in the field, sisters were supported, strengthened, and encouraged not only in place of the elders, but at their expense.

    I understand that as missionary work is primarily focused on men that the female minority may feel marginalized at times, but I almost fell out of the Church altogether over this. Ironically, many outside the Church attack and belittle it for their mistaken perception of unfair treatment against women.

  • Rae M. Bountiful , UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 9:58 a.m.

    Jamescmeyer, please reply with specifics illustrating how you and other elders were marginalized at the expense of sister missionaries, at the MTC and the field.

  • Noogieburger Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 4:26 p.m.

    As a parent of boys I see this every day. Since the 60s and the feminist revolution men have become the laughing stock of society. TV shows do nothing but denegrate men, making them look like drunken fools while uplifting women as the responsible problem solvers who are burdened with caring for their inane husbands.

    Schools are now predominantly controlled by women. Men no longer desire to teach. Women, unfortunately, cannot teach young men to be men as effectively as men can.

    There is one other devastating consequence that is not discussed in this article. Women, by nature, tend to marry up, meaning, they desire a man that will protect and provide for them. Men in turn, by nature, desire to marry a woman he can protect and provide for. As more and more women gain success the pool of available and potential mates decreases enormously. Women are going to find themselves in a serious predicament as men and boys continue to decline and women continue to achieve more and more success. We've got everything backward in our society and we can't seem to find a balance.

  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 10:37 p.m.

    One underlying thought seems to be that if we end up paying women more than men, then many families might choose to make the woman the breadwinner, whereas the model for a good family has the hubby as the wage earner. That's why the information in the editorial is so important, noting that when education and other factors are taken into consideration, "the gap may not only disappear, it may exist in the other direction."

  • Daniel L. Murray, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 4:27 p.m.

    It is a good thing that several religions within the United States teach and encourage moral behavior. Including the virtues of duty to God, country, our fellow man, and to ourselves. More of your young boys and men need to be taught these values, and encouraged and expected to live up to them. Some of these virtues can be had in the public realm. But in the religious arena, they are part and parcel of what going to church is all about. More parents need to take advantage of what religion has to offer!