Keeping Haws' scoring in a more detailed-perspective, out of 351 total
teams ranked, Pacific's D-Eff ranks #302 and SMC's ranks behind
byu's.Like virtually every teammate of his, he doesn't
play D, nor is it even required of him....D doesn't appear to ever be
discussed by the byu coaching staff, either.His numbers are inflated
due to their overall weak wcc competition....As relatively successful dr's
been offensively, his non-existent D will ultimately be what determines his
legacy and obviously explains why his teams are always a quick exit from the
tourney, including the year they only made it to the sweet 16 and did so w/the
npoy....Speaking of which, merely reference the performance of one of the
association's all-time biggest busts, post-byu, whenever jf plays....In a
game down here recently against my Suns, he looked confused on D and this
directly correlated to his O and why most NBA fans have never heard of him
before....Had he ever learned to play even a mediocre-level of D, I suspect his
"career" might look a bit differently today, every ready-made excuse for
AZUTE1"His numbers are inflated due to their overall weak wcc
competition..."LOL at your completely delusional spin!BYU SOS for the entire season: #16Utah SOS for the entire season:
#185You could easily make the argument that all of Utah's stats
are grossly inflated due to their weakest in the country non-conference schedule
(which, btw, is 40% of the season).In Utah's two games versus
high school teams, the Utes scored 100+ points. The Utes have only scored 90+
points TWICE in their other 18 games.All five of BYU's 100+
point games have come against Div 1 teams; two against PAC 12 teams.I see you're still smarting from that 47-point beat down Jimmer laid on U
in his final visit to the Huntsman.LOL!
My thoughts exactly AZuTE1, because of the super weak WCC schedule he scores
mucho points. Assuming you really meant that If he were playing in
the PAC-12 he'd be averaging 2.3 points/game because he wouldn't be
able to hang. The PAC-12 is just simply that awesome. Players that come out of
the PAC-12 are just simply bigger faster and stronger and excel at the pro level
more than players coming out of BYU. Onward and Upward
Does my memory serve me correctly?Didn't BYU and Jimmer take
Arizona to the woodshed by about 30 down there? Still hard to swallow isn't
@ AZUTE1I guess to put it into perspective....since the utes played
Evergreen, Grand Canyon, Lamar, Idaho st, savannah st, st Katherine, and Texas
State, Jordan Loveridge should be averaging 50 points a game. But for some
reason he's only averaging 16. I guess those teams are all way better then
the WCC teams that Haws is scoring 30+ on.
"His numbers are inflated due to their overall weak wcc competition"The problem with trolls making ridiculous claims is that it's
really easy to find the actual facts. Ty Haws against not-weak
competition...at Stanford, 31 ptsat Iowa State, 20 ptsat
Texas, 25 ptsat Wichita State, 17 pointsvs. USU, 21 pointsat
MASS, 25 pointsat Oregon, 32 pointsat Gonzaga, 23 ptsSo
yeah, against inferior PAC12 competition on the road Haws is only averaging 31.5
points (or more than double what Utah's best player is averaging on the
road against PAC12 teams).
Tom in CA"Didn't BYU and Jimmer take Arizona to the
woodshed by about 30 down there?"Jimmer and BYU laid the biggest
beat down on the Wildcats in McKale Center history.Haws may not be a
premier stats filler, but he is a premier bucket filler - Loveridge isn't
even close when it comes to scoring.
Haws is hands down the best player in the state. No one else even comes close!
I love Haws ability to score but relatively speaking, he doesn't do a whole
lot else. He gets very few rebounds (his light frame gets pushed around the key
too easily), very few assists, high turnovers (though not as many as
Collingsworth), and almost nonexistent defense.The article states,
"Haws would be the first to say this is a team game,…" If he
did say that, his actions would betray his words. But that is a problem with
many players on this team, and I don't really think that Rose himself
really embraces that concept.All in all, you can't deny that
Haws can score, even against good competition. My criticism is that his game is
just too one-dimensional.@AZUTEYou have a lot of nerve
knocking a kid (Jimmer) who practically single handedly destroyed Utah and
Arizona in their home gyms.
His "remarkable" scoring isn't bringing wins.You can
deflect that criticism with stories about how Jimmer lit up Arizona, oddly
compare BYU's RPI to Utah's, and eventually work 1984 football into
the conversation. But at the end of the day, depending on one player at the
expense of the team should concern fans.
Loveridge couldn't shine Haws' shoes..
Haws is a remarkable talent but I'm not sure he will be any more successful
in the NBA than Jimmer because of the similarity and singular focus of their
games... scoring only.Reading this thread you would think that BYU
has been an SOS beast over the years. I looked in Sagarin over the past 6 years
to learn that BYU has had a weaker SOS than Utah 5 of 6 times. Same in
football, Utah has had the tougher SOS in 5 of last 6 years. If anyone should
be embarrassed about SOS it should be BYU fans.I wouldn't be
surprised if by the end of the year Utah & BYU have a similar SOS in
basketball as Utah continues to play in the #3 league and BYU in the #10 league.
I'm not sure where to even start here to respond to Azute1 but I see the
Wisconsinfan pretty much sums it up. How did any of the uts players do against
the same teams. My guess is not so good. And these were on the road, a place
where the utes dare not play. Stats speak for themselves.
It seems that the utes fans cannot give props where they are due even thought it
has been proven that Haws can score against anyone, and on the road, including
pac teams. Has Loveridge or any ute player come close to Haws' season
average? How have they done on the road?
Haws is simply amazing. By far the best player in the state. He's also
the best NBA prospect BYU has had in a decade.
Wisconsin just took azute1 to the woodshed with cold and hard facts
Sooner Ute - Just pointing out - You just injected 1984
National Champion Cougars into the conversation. I know it is annoying.
CougFanTx"Haws is simply amazing. By far the best player in the state.
He's also the best NBA prospect BYU has had in a decade."Better than Jimmer, huh?I don't think so. I think Haws will go
undrafted. I hope I'm wrong. Great scorer, but can do little else,
CougFanTXI'm with idablu on this one. Ty's automatic in
the mid-range and is great playing off the ball for spot up jumpers, etc.
However, I think the biggest knock on his offensive game is he doesn't
handle the ball well in the full court and has trouble getting his own shot
facing up off the dribble. It's catch and shoot or one-dribble pull up. He
also seems to force action when he plays against length. Love him and he's
an amazing college player- I just think it will be a battle finding work in the