Sorry Erik, if the GOP is trying to re-invent itself by morphing into the
"tea-party" then they will continue to lose big in future presidential
elections. Politicians like Mike Lee, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul are NOT mainstream
and it is highly unlikely they will ever appeal to a national audience. I even
doubt that Mike Lee is capable of being re-elected in the state of Utah. Take
that to the bank!
Lee for Senate majority leader 2015. I'll gladly trade this Mormon for the
other one. They are actually good friends, so it should make for a smooth
transition. Mike, your dad is looking down from heaven on all this
with a BIG smile!
If you actually listened to Mike's speech you came away feeling that this
guy REALLY gets it - here is one Senator that really speaks for the people of
this country and not for party big wigs. Everything Mike said was spot on and
actually very common sense. I liked how Mike explained what the Tea Party
movement was all about. He said that the American People have always had the
right to protest against BAD or OPPRESSIVE government which was how the original
Boston Tea Party got started. People in this county don't just sit and get
trampled on - they organize and they protest. Today we have a president who
thinks he is a King and demands total compliance to everything he wants with no
compromise or else he orders his secret police (the IRS)to seek and destroy.
Reminds you of another King 250 years ago named George.As far as
Orin Hatch and KSL goes - they seem to be panicking that a new breed of
conservative GOP is emerging and that threatens their cozy little "good ole
boy" world of do-nothing , get-along politics.
Nothing needs to be said "against" other political philosophies when
Mike Lee speaks. He knows the Constitution. He stands for the Constitution.
He defends the Constitution. Isn't that why we elect representatives to
represent the people and the States? He knows the proper role of government,
and he takes government to task for exceeding its proper role. He knows what
the proper role of the executive branch is and he takes the President to task
for exceeding the limited authority granted to the chief executive. He knows the
role of Congress and he takes Congress to task for exceeding its role.Hatch doesn't get it. Harry Reid doesn't get it. John Boenher
doesn't get it. Mike Lee gets it.
He's obviously very intelligent. My only question is... how does he
connect with people.I've never been one who shoots for
mediocrity, or mainstream, or same as the rest. I think I see that in him
too.Many people still want "mainstream", same as the rest,
politicians. I guess we'll find out if the majority in Utah like that.
At least we all know where he stands now. Last time he was a new-comer and a
relative unknown. I've been disappointed in some things he's done
(the shutdown antics) but his knowledge of the Constitution is unquestionable...
and I like that in my representative in Washington.===It's funny on Mike Lee... the people who cry about term limits and
getting the old representatives out and give new people a try... change their
colors completely when it comes to him.He's the first to oust a
good-old-boy lifetime politician in my political memory (the thing people say we
need)... but when one person finally does what most of us say we need... they
don't like it. They want the 47-year career politician back in. We are fickle.
GOP loses in presidential races because they run moderates like that guy from
Arizona and (dare I say it), Mitt Romney. The last true conservative that the
GOP ran won in a landslide;R.R. Believe it or not, the vast majority of
Americans are not liberals.
As long as conservatives continue to insist on making campaigns about social
issues, they will continue to lose and lose big. Republicans need to stick to
what they're good at: Economics and foreign affairs. Republicans
campaigning on social issues is like a football team calling every play straight
to their opponent's best defender.
If he is a member of the Tea Party, then he should resign from the Republican
Party before he drives everyone else out of it. Lee wants to get money from the
Republicans, yet he doesn't agree with most of what the Party stands for.
A comment I tried to post about Mike Lee and his Tea Party role was rejected by
DN’s censors for the following reason: * Comment included
personal attacks, name-calling, epithets, racial slurs or other derogatory
statements.This is the comment: Some people believe the Constitution
is hanging by a thread. If it is, we need to keep an eye on Mike Lee. He plays
with scissors.I don’t see any racism. Name calling?
Epithets? Derogatory comment? Name-calling? How is trying to
point out that Mike Lee may not be the Constitutional savior some people believe
him to be, a personal attack?
The problem we conservatives have is making people understand that conservatism
can be GOOD for them. Conservatism represents opportunity, NOT a
cradle-to-grave government subsistence.People have become
disillusioned with the Republican party. But (most of)the Republican party is
nothing but "democrat lite".Doesn't EVERYONE want less
government, and don't we ALL want for the government to pay its' bills
as they accrue, thus lowering the chance of Weimar-like inflation?What's wrong with that?
waikiki_dave: "Politicians like Mike Lee, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul are NOT
mainstream and it is highly unlikely they will ever appeal to a national
audience."Why does that principle seem to only apply to
conservatives and not liberals?The people you mentioned certainly
lean pretty far to the right, but no more than Obama, Hillary, Pelosi, and Reid
lean to the left. Yet in liberal's eyes that certainly does not disqualify
their favorites from "appealing to a national audience".But
that doesn't stop them from repeating over and over that they believe true
conservatives have no chance in elections so the GOP might as well nominate
candidates that you really can't tell from their Democrat opponents.
No. I think the future of the tea party is more along the lines of what happened
at the end of the Cretaceous period.
Gotta love when Democrats tell Republicans what they must do to win... as
if...===The GOP is not morphing into the Tea Party, any
more than the DNC is morphing into Occupy Wallstreet. They are
both just special-interest "movements" within the party. They are not
taking over the party. They are not replacing the party. They are just a
small fragment/faction of the party (both a little radical I may add).I really don't get why Democrats are so afraid of the Tea Party movement.
If you had ever actually been to one of their rallies, or talked to one
without your per-concieved notions (mostly MSNBC-type hyperbole) you would find
out their not that bad. Same goes for Occupy Wallstreet types.
They're not mainstream (don't claim to be). They both have a major
concern (Tea Party's is taxes and Government spending, Occupy's is the
1%, and income gap). But they are not taking over. They are not becoming
the party. You need to quit being so scared and freaked out by the Tea Party
movement. It's not big deal! They're not out to get anybody or to
destroy the country!
Here's what I know about Mike Lee - which trumps all other positions he
claims: He is proud to stand next to Cruz from Texas ... Cruz can read Green
Eggs and Ham on the senate floor - while the nation faces one of its worst
fiscal crises in its history. Cruz and Lee were proud to be influential in the
sequester, costing the american people 66 billion ... BILLION ... dollars. Many
people were extremely effected by that - as Senators and Representatives
continued to get their salaries. I view what they did as unconscionable. And to
what end? I think a good plan would be for Congress to pay back the money that
they withheld from all of the much needed services ... the $66,000,000. To
advance their own personal political agendas, at the expense of countless hard
working people? They were punished for just that - being hard working and still
barely getting by. We know that's where Ted Cruz stands, and likewise Mike
Lee and his buddy Sarah Palin. Just the facts, just the facts. Wish I could say
different ... In these times we need someone who truly has the needs of the
people at the top of the list.
This irrational fear and hatred of the Tea Party is getting ridiculous...
@bungalowSALT LAKE CITY, UTThid fails to mention that Ronald
Reagan increased the size of the Federal Government under his Presidency, the
National Debt rose 188%, Defense Spending 92%, Deficit 94%, and spent ZERO net
on Education. Do you think those numbers would go over nowadays as a "true
conservative?"3:57 p.m. Jan. 30, 2014=========== Agreed, Don't forget Reagan also:banned handguns and
assault weapons, signed abortion legislation,granted amnesty to
illegal immigrants, He also signed more Executive orders than Bush,
Clinton or Obama by a long shot:Ronald Reagan 381 George W.
Bush 291 Barack Obama 168 Tea-Partiers say they love
Reagan, but have know idea who he was or how that he was truly a Big Tent
@ LDS Liberal; I remember R.R. and he literally saved this country after Jimmy.
Inflation was double digits, the military had been gutted and gasoline lines
were everywhere. R.R. had to completely rebuild the military which eventually
caused the former Soviet Union to collapse. He made Americans proud to be
Americans again. The rest of what you said is baloney! By the way, it isn't
the NUMBER of executive orders that are bad its the KIND of executive orders,
like rewriting laws that are very unconstitutional. As far as R.R. increasing
the debt, Obama has increase the debt in 6 years more than all the other
Presidents up to GWB's second term.
This irrational fear and hatred of President Obama is getting
"The last true conservative that the GOP ran won in a landslide;R.R."Sounds great, but if RR ran today on his past achievements, he would
have some strong opposition on the far right.It only takes ONE slip
up for the GOP base to sit you in the corner.Rubio was put aside for
pushing an immigration plan that included citizenship.McCain was censured
in ArizonaChristie was chastised for acknowledging Obama for helping his
state out.Reagan raised taxes many many times. Reagan pushed
several federal and state gun control measures.Reagan gave amnesty to
millions of immigrants.Any ONE of these things would get him pushed
aside in todays GOP.It is wishful thinking that Reagan is the model
that the GOP is looking for.BTW, I liked Reagan. He was a moderate
conservative. Or as they would call him today - a RINO.
A little off target here but an opportunity.Here's why
Republicans are having a hard time nationally.First of all;
"Conservatism represents opportunity, NOT a cradle-to-grave government
subsistence.". The belief and thus a fight against the idea that
"liberalism" promotes a cradle to grave subsistence. Key word here is
subsistence. Liberalism and the general population do not believe
the government should give you everything from the time your born until you die.
Both do believe that the government can have an important and effective
influence on your life from it's inception to it's conclusion. Secondly; "The people you mentioned certainly lean pretty far to the
right, but no more than Obama, Hillary, Pelosi, and Reid lean to the left."
Reality check. None of the Dems you named are anything other than center left
of the general populations attitudes. These two Republican beliefs
alone account for why a Rommney couldn't win nationally, forget a tea
JoeBlow: You might be right that Ronald Reagan might not fit in well
with the current crop of GOP leadership.But I could make the same
argument about liberal's favorite icon as well - JFK. He probably
wouldn't get the nomination from the Democrats today either. He was much
too moderate.We could argue all day about someone in the past
(Washington, Licoln, FDR, Jesus) and how they might do in today's political
climate, but it would all be conjecture so that kind of argument is pointless in
Sen. Lee is the perfect spokesperson for the Don Quijote crowd—full of
fanciful thinking and always tilting at windmills. The more extreme the tea
party rhetoric the more propagandistic and less real it is.Who would
care if it were not so misguided and counterproductive?Too bad Sen.
Lee is also spokesperson for the rest of us.
KJB1 is on the mark: "This irrational fear and hatred of President Obama is
getting ridiculous."Those who live by the sword of fear and hate
perish from the same affliction.
Wouldn't it be funny if Mike Lee turned out to be a good guy, with a normal
family, and normal aspirations for our country?What if he really
doesn't have horns, or a pitch fork. Even though he's been seen
standing by Ted Cruz, and was even present at a rally where Sarah Palin was
present... Eeeeeuwww....He's just another guy like anybody
else. No reason to be scared of him, or to demonize him. Same goes for Obama.
@2 bitsCottonwood Heights, UTWouldn't it be funny if Mike
Lee turned out to be a good guy, with a normal family, and normal aspirations
for our country?===You mean like saying he's
fiscally responsible and then not paying his own mortgage?orLike
saying you love and defend the Constitution, then shut-down the Government
when you don't get your way?FYI -- We're not
If you want the government shutdown out of bitter futility.
Mike Lee and the Tea Party deserve each other. Neither "get it."
Neither support the constitution, work for the good of the United States or work
for the good of the real people who are citizens of this country. Hopefully
they will soon make each other go way. We'd be better off without either