Yes, shutting down the refiners during the winter would be a good idea. However,
they bribe our representation every year. If we were actually engaged in the
voting process they might be worried about the consequences of ignoring our
wishes. However, because we vote in the same people every year, they don't
care. They are merely puppets for big oil. One thing I don't understand,
especially being LDS, why doesn't the church speak out on this issue?
Seeing a drink being made isn't near as unhealthy as the pathetic air
quality. We are essentially smoking a pack or two per day breathing in this air.
If we want to live the word of wisdom then we really need to improve our health
I have had a terrible cough for 4 weeks now.I have lost 2 1/2 days of work
as a result.No temperture, no sickness.Just a cough.The Doctor says it is because of the bad air.I wonder how many
100's of thousands of man-hours of productivity [and 10's
millions of $] have been lost due to Utah's bad air?
I drove in yesterday afternoon from a few days away and the air here is
disgusting. No other way to describe it. Immediately my raspy throat
came back and I could actually taste the filth. It's virtually
a moral crime to have surroundings as beautiful as we have and then allow
putrid, filthy air. All you religious folks better hope Jesus
doesn't come back in January because there will be some splaining to do.
The Legislature can't solve our smog problem. It's not their
problem. It's our problem. New laws don't solve all problems. Only WE can solve this problem (by not driving, not buying gas, not
burning gas, riding trax, driving slower, etc). The legislature doesn't
need to force us to do it. Even if they pass a new law... it will be right back
to US to change OUR behavior to fix the problem.Pretending it's
Legislature's problem (and not ours)... is a copout.===We need to change our behavior during winter inversions. If we
don't buy gas in the winter... refineries would be fine with slowing or
stopping production and doing needed maintenance (because nobody's buying
their product anyway). But if we keep driving or increase driving
(because it's too cold to walk to church, school, lunch, store, etc)... and
there's HIGHER demand for their product... do you think they are just going
to shut down and not service their customers?
Re: "December and January should be the times they shut down for their
maintenance. That ought to help a great deal."How about just
shutting them down permanently. That "ought" to help a great deal
more.And, while we're at it, shut down the mines. Shut down the
dairies and ranches. Shut down all business that use energy. And then, since we
no longer need them, we can shut down the energy companies.Oh, and
of course we should shut down the schools and universities, since they use too
much energy. And besides, once tree-hugging liberals have shut down Utah's
economy, they'll be unnecessary and superfluous, anyway.Then,
reckless, feckless tree huggers can realize their fondest dream -- converting
the whole Inter-mountain West into a roadless, uninhabited, wilderness petting
zoo for their rich, back-East and Left-coast cronies.
All that laws do is give reason to invade our homes. Than to think, you can be
arrested if they think you might brake the law.
I agree procuradorfiscal and 2 bit, I know, we live in a bowl with mountains on
2 sides and much is natural so let's do nothing. Let's pretend the
businesses and automobiles as they are presently constituted are just so
valuable that we can't make improvements and should continue to damage our
health but by golly don't ask for an affordable healthcare system because
it is a step to socialism. If it's good for someone else's wallet I
need to sit down and shut up.
Re: "Let's pretend the businesses and automobiles . . . are just so
valuable that we can't make improvements and should continue to damage our
health . . . ."If you, or anyone else had any actual proof that
your health is being damaged by our businesses and automobiles -- which really
are valuable -- you would already own them and be able to shut them down
yourself.Utah air quality is a radical tree-hugger generated
non-issue, whose sole function is to serve as the focus of a cynical propaganda
ploy, intended to scare Utahns into acquiescence as radicals kill business,
industry, and jobs, to advance their false and thoroughly discredited socialist
economic model.Your health is fine. My health is fine. Anything you
see in the air is harmless to your health. Those that claim to be choking on
Utah air are either disingenuous, or more likely, curiously hypersensitive to
disingenuous liberal bleating.
ugottabkidn,Did I day "do nothing"?Read my post. I
gave a whole list of things we should be doing.I just said "do
it"!... don't just go to the legislature asking permission to do it...
or permission to make somebody else do it... just do it yourself!If
we all just do it... there won't be anybody left not doing it, so there
will be no need to go to the legislature to ask them to make them do what we
want.====Some people just get off on getting the
government to force people to do things our way. I don't. I
just do the right thing (conserve) for the right reason (for our health, not
because the government commanded it).I think if we focus on
educating people instead of the draconian (force them to it)... more people will
start doing the right things for the right reason (not because the government
forced them too)... and we would be much better off.But I'm
not saying "do nothing".
procuradorfiscal"Utah air quality is a radical tree-hugger
generated non-issue, whose sole function is to serve as the focus of a cynical
propaganda ploy, "You've got to be kidding. This tops the
cake of all of the nonsense I've ever seen on this thread and there is
plenty.Go visit a pulmonary clinic, or a cardiac clinic , or an
asthma clinic in January and February. Having left the valley for four days I
breathed feely the entire time and instantly went horse and had breathing
problems as we went around the turn into the valley. I'm
hardly a fat out of shape hypochondriac. I probably weigh half of what you do,
have marathon times nearly 2 hours faster than you, and survived a should be
fatal heart attack simply because of the cardiac condition I was in. This air is simply poison. That's it..end of story.
I must be the only one that has never felt any noticiable effects from our bad
air. I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement, but there is no
way I'm giving up my car in the winter so I can increase my commute from 40
mins to 2.5 hours each way. I've never felt a burning throat or had issues
breathing that others seem to complain about. Just my 2 cents.
"And refineries, or anyone who emits anything, should have to shut
down."Does anyone include YOUR furnace flue? Does anyone include
YOUR car? YOUR furnace and car emit, so it must. YOUR workplace too. Great, let's just all take a vacation at home in the cold every time a
high pressure is forecast, and don't wait until after the air turns dirty,
do in in advance. No need to have dirty air to breath while you sit in your
freezing cold house doing nothing.
As I was huffing and puffing walking up 10 stories of stairs this morning (to
avoid using the electricity need to lift me and the elevator)... I was
thinking... "How much C02 am I emitting" (Seems like a lot the way I was
breathing).It made me think... even when I'm not running the
stairs I'm breathing, and emitting C02.IF we need to shutdown
ANYTHING that emits ANYTHING... what's going to happen to me??
It's nice to see that a few people get it. Life is about trade-offs. Sure,
we could shut down everything that emits anything, but that means your house,
your car, your electricity, your job, your medical clinic, your hospital, your
school, your grocery store, and so forth. We might then have inversions that
consisted solely of water vapor and VOCs from trees, but would life be better? I
hardly think so.We need a dialog focused on figuring out what WE can
do to solve OUR problem, if in fact it IS a problem. (By definition, it
isn't a problem if all possible solutions leave us worse off.)