All of these so-called experts conveniently sidestep the real cause of
inequality. It is the initial distribution of wealth. We have a dual pay system
in modern corporate capitalism. A small minority are paid as much as possible,
while the great majority of workers are paid as little as possible. Human beings
are thus treated as commodities, as human resources, as a cost to be minimized.
This philosophy is at odds with our political system (representative democracy)
and our social ideals (look up the definition of the American dream). The only
way to really strengthen the lower and middle classes and create greater
economic equality is for businesses to hire more people, pay them better, and,
if they really want to be bold, share ownership with them. Worker-owned
businesses don't ship jobs off to Third World countries, don't
eliminate pension plans, don't treat workers as expendable inputs in the
production process. The workers are a primary reason the company exists. Every
other strategy falls short and creates new problems.
When minimum wage increases, employers are forced to pass this on to the
customer. The cost of a hamburger will rise in proportion to the cost it will
now take to employ that person. This is a guarantee. So the benefit will be
short lived and we will all pay for it.
As I see it changing the hourly wage does not get to the crux of the problem.Any living wage would in fact make it possiblw for any one working to support
himor herself and their dependents until they do whatever it is they do
again. Changing the hourly wage thus does not actually address the basic
problem at all.It is but a vocalized, attention grabbing band aid, that
does little to actually solve the real problems. If carefully examined any
new minimum hourly wage may do more harm than good, unless a truly living wage
is first addressed. Variables may be needed reflecting reality of the circle of
dependents and be woven into all calculations of the way pay scales and or tax
policies are actually arrived at. Better tax policies might truly help both all
who work and who create the jobs that keep the body social creatively healthy on
the bed rock basic social unit of family life. It is a matter of a living wage.
not a matter of an increased minimum hourly wage, that may merely export jobs.
the real question is.. will anyone be watching the state of the union address...
What's the matter with you people? Don't you know America will never
be a fair and equitable nation until liberal women get free birth control?
Many look back at the post-WW2 era where a person with a high school diploma
could get a job in manufacturing that would support a family. Locally, companies
like Geneva Steel, Kennecott Copper, etc... accorded that opportunity. The
reason companies could do this was that a large portion of the globe was
devastated from the effects of the Second World War. As other countries
rebuilt or developed in the decades since, they could provide the same goods at
a lower cost due to low wages. Thus, Geneva is gone, and Kennecott is a shadow
of it's former self.The only jobs that will support a family now are
professional and highly skilled. That doesn't mean everyone has to be a
doctor, it does mean that you better know how to do something that is in demand
and do it well.It's a new world, and if companies are coerced into
paying higher wages without getting higher productivity, there are plenty of
people and companies in India, or Singapore, or other countries eager and able
put that American company out of business.
To "Kent C. DeForrest" ok, lets look at what you are proposing. You are
saying that we should adopt a communist model.Tell us, where has
communism worked? If having the workers own the company is the way to go, then
who leads it? Who would want to start a new company if it will just be turned
over to the workers?Collectivist philosophies all sound good on
paper, but in practice they all fail.Capitalism, which you
apparently hate, actually brings more people out of poverty than any other
economic system that has been tried.
This president is very divisive.Remember the 1930's, when
Germans who never met a Jew, were persuaded to hate them, by an evil political
leader? Class envy? It's happening here.Growth, mobility, and
inequality? As if it's the fault of successful people who didn't earn
what they have. Success of the backs of the poor. Thanks Obama!How
was your Hawaiian vacation?Every one of has an opportunity to
succeed in this country. All of us! Period!
Hating Jews didn't come from "class envy". As for here and now,
people at the bottom of the corporate structure have a reasonable expectation of
higher rewards for higher productivity. This is what they are NOT getting.
Instead, the wealth trickles UP.
"The only way to really strengthen the lower and middle classes and create
greater economic equality is for businesses to hire more people."Of course it is. And a key source of job creation is small business.
Businesses can't hire more people when they face a punitive mindset from
progressives...capitalism is evil and profit is a dirty word. Those with even an
rudimentary grasp of economics understand the negative impact of higher taxes on
hiring practices. The United States has the highest corporate tax rate in the
world. Economic illiterates should be reminded that a large fraction of American
business income is in the top individual-income tax bracket, and has thus seen
even a larger tax increase this year.Pray tell...how do business
hire more people when business success is demonized and punitive policy against
capitalism continues to be championed by the left?
@ scrappy do - DRAPER, UT - "the real question is.. will anyone be watching
the state of the union address..."Why pay attention to more
smokescreens, hollow promises and lies? I'm too smart for that.@ 9:56 a.m. Jan. 28, 2014 - Hayden, ID - "What's the matter with you
people? Don't you know America will never be a fair and equitable nation
until liberal women get free birth control?"Ha! Ha! Love the
sarcasm. It's about the only funny thing left in America.
FACT: Increasing The Minimum Wage Has No Effect On Unemployment, May Increase
HiringFACT: Millions Of Workers Depend On Minimum Wage Jobs For Full-Time
Work -Half Of Minimum Wage Workers Are Over 25.FACT: Minimum Wage
Increases Do Not Hurt Teen EmploymentFACT: Economists, Researchers Support
Increasing The Minimum WagePlease post some data that contradicts
any of the above, otherwise it's just GOP myths being recycled.(Hint
it's just GOP myths being recycled.)
@Mark B:Jews were very successful business people. Hatred, and envy
was spread through out the land, because of propaganda similar to what we have
today. Many people foolishly except this kind of propaganda.An
example:Many people are bitter towards a rich Mitt Romney, but
don't mind paying for vacations of a rich President, or wealthy Nancy
That darn Constitution keeps getting in Obama's way. The Grand Socialist
Experiment has proven to be a failure, and only reinforces the old adage, you
can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. His incompetence is only
topped by his willingness to lie to the American people.
Happy Valley H.Fact, few people rely on the minimum wage for their
life long support. Even when started at minimum wage, after a few weeks, they
get an increase. Minimum wage jobs are in most cases teenage part time starter
jobs. I hope that you are not the exception and have been getting minimum wage
for all your working life. If so, then I can understand your point. Otherwise,
minimum wage is largely irrelevent. In places like North Dakota, you can't
find a minimum wage job. No one works for that low amount of money when the
labor market demands more. The number of people working minimum wage jobs is a
sign of a bad economy, and like food stamps, the number of people needing them
is a sign that the economy is bad or getting worse. This is Obamas 5 year
@ Happy Valley Heretic:You are the one stating your so-called
"facts". So instead of first asking anyone to give evidence to the
contrary, you should first offer any evidence in support of your contentions...
especially statements 1, 3, and 4. I've yet to read or hear of
any concrete evidence to support those so-called facts of yours.
Most nations today have minimum wage laws, but they have not always had them.
Unemployment rates have been very much lower in places and times when there were
no minimum wage laws.Switzerland is one of the few modern nations
without a minimum wage law. In February of last year, Switzerland's
unemployment rate was 3.1 percent. A recent (Autumn of 2013) issue of "The
Economist" showed Switzerland's unemployment rate at 2.1 percent.Most Americans today have never seen unemployment rates that low.
However, there was a time when there was no federal minimum wage law in the
United States. The last time was during the Coolidge administration, when the
annual unemployment rate got as low as 1.8 percent.Another thought.
Even the categorized "poor" in this country usually have a car, multiple
televisions, a cell phone, a computer, and usually even air conditioning. Things
poor people in most other countries of the world can't even fathom. When minimum wage levels are set without regard to their initial
productivity, and have no correlation to it, young people are disproportionately
unemployed — priced out of jobs. Very basic economics that many don't
Minimum wage has been increased many time if the conservatives had any evidence
that their talking points were based in truth, they would have dug up the
statistics, the statistics don't back up their myths about minimum wage.SCFan, I haven't made minimum wage since high school, but I
don't even pay neighborhood kids that little to mow my lawn, and I
don't know how businessmen can stoop so low. 50% of minimum wage workers
are over 25.Every time America gives Businesses a choice to do the right
thing, they choose to take advantage.Kinda like all those hummers driven
by dentists as billboards and written off under a farm bill on their taxes,
something meant to help farmers buy equipment was twisted so a dentist could
write off $1,000. to drive a gas hog wider than the traffic lanes
Happy Heretic:And if your talking points were based on any truth,
where are your statistics to back them up? Shouldn't you have dug up your
statistics and sources as well? One commenter even directly challenged you to
provide them, and yet you still haven't. You ask, but you won't
provide.By the way, only 2% of wage earners make minimum wage. Not a
significant amount to be arguing about.And where is that stat of 50%
of minimum wage earners being over the age of 25 coming from? That's the
second time you've mentioned that ever without providing any source. I
haven't been able to find it.
Objectified asked "And where is that stat of 50%"Bureau Of Labor
Statistics: 50.5 Percent Of Minimum Wage Earners In 2011 Were 25 Years And Over
In Age. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics for 2011, just over half of
all workers paid at or below the federal minimum wage were aged 25 and above,
representing 1,933,000 people. [BLS.gov, accessed 2/14/13]Hiring
Response To Minimum Wage Hikes "More Likely To Be Positive Than
Negative." In a March 2011 report, the Center for Economic and Policy
Research concluded that wage increases are more likely to result in more, rather
than fewer, jobs:Our estimated employment responses generally
cluster near zero, and are more likely to be positive than negative. Few of our
point estimates are precise enough to rule out either positive or negative
employment effects, but statistically significant positive employment responses
outnumber statistically significant negative elasticities. [Center for Economic
and Policy Research, March 2011]The sad fact is how easy it is to
find vs. how hard it is to find anyone but fox and friends saying otherwise.
Throwing statistics out without any cogent analysis is misleading and distorts
the facts. Look at the Bureau of Labor Statistics more closely.Fact:
Relatively few Americans earn the federal minimum wage. In 2011 and 2012, 3.7
million Americans reported earning $7.25 or less per hour...only 2.9 percent of
all workers in the United States! Fact: Many of those 2.9 percent
who earn less than the minimum wage work in restaurants and make more than the
minimum wage after taking tips into account.Fact: The 50.5 percent
of minimum wage earners between the ages of 16 and 24 work PART-TIME jobs (79
percent) and three-fifths of them (62 percent) are currently enrolled in school
during non-summer months! Fact: Their average family income is
$65,900 per year, and only 22 percent live at or below the poverty line, while
68 percent enjoy family incomes over 150 percent of the poverty line.If progressives seriously want to help the working poor, they should look
elsewhere instead of focusing on symbolic, feel-good tactics that have no
practical impact on poverty or wealth creation.