I've never been so disgusted with an officiating crew in my life. Van der
mars gave Portland the lead late, only after committing at least two fouls in
order to come up with the offensive rebound. Immediately afterwards, he commits
a reach in on Mika. No call there either. And then Collinsworth clearly gets
fouled driving for the winning lay up...and the officials give Portland the ball
out of bounds. How guys like this keep their jobs, I have no idea.
Portland has an RPI of 141, the selection committee will not be impressed with
this loss.This game sends byu fans back to reality, or at least it
should. And that reality is that byu is a slightly above average WCC team in a
conference that doesn't have a single team ranked in some polls. Any byu fans still think they're going dancing after losing to Lola Mary,
Portland, and Pepperdine?
Even a semi-rational byu will admit this puts the nail in the coffin in
byu's at large hopes. Portland is a very bad team, and byu
isn't good enough to beat them apparently. Saturday night
against Gonzaga should be fun. I'm guessing a 15-20 point win for Gonzaga.
I'm betting a bigger Gonzaga win than an Arizona win over Utah, and
Arizona is the best team in the country and Gonzaga isn't even ranked in
all the polls.
Some you commented too soon . . . BYU up by 6 now in the 2nd overtime.
Too Big 12 Yet?Have you not yet figured out that the road is an
unfriendly place for visiting teams? Check out those guys in
crimson tonight, and every other road game they have had. A road win is
something to get excited about. Even if it is an ASU (which it isn't
tonight) or a WSU, or a Portland...
Good and amazing game. Now tied at 103 with Sharp's 3-point and 7 secs
left, BYU's ball. Hope BYU pulls it off. Collinsworth needs to up his game
both layups and free throws! Go Cougars!!!
Wow, way to play hard. That gym in Portland is one of the nations toughest
places to play. Big time basketball in a big time atmosphere of a high school
gym. Does it hold 100 people? Just curious..
So many fouls on them not called and then we look at them and get called.Portland hasn't been beating we just beat are selfs.
Pity, if only BYU were part of a most prestigious and elite conference like the
PAC-12 then they would not have lost.Onward and Upward
@NevadaCougI've never been so disgusted with an officiating
crew in my life. --------------You sure? Going into the
3OT BYU was +13 in free throws on the road. Only when BYU started putting
Portland on line at the end in garbage time that margin went down.Gonzaga is beatable, good luck!
Don't know what happened...Y was ahead by 5 100-95 with 57 seconds left,
then the wheels apparently came off. At least they lost in triple over-time and
not in regulation.
Granted, for Portland to beat Gonzaga was an accomplishment. However, the Zags
struggled at home against San Diego, another second rate team.The Cougs
really shouldn't have trouble beating all but two of the WCC teams, even on
their home courts. Most of their facilities are really "gyms" and they
hardly sell out any games.No wonder Sports Illustrated rates this
conference as the next to the weakest in the nation.
byu was up 8 in double OT and they lost?And I though Utah choked.
I wasn't even aware Portland had a division 1 team.
Portland's win over Gonzaga shows they can play. Cougars hopes of a
tournament WCC Championship depend upon their not giving in or up...remember
they were only 3rd in their conference the year Ainge made the drive and they
made the great 8. They need to keep working, keep getting better, and keep
one of the most entertaining games I've watched in college basketball in a
long, long time.
If the Book of Job ever had a basketball game in it, It would be this game.
Tyler was brilliant. He broke records. No college player in America was better
than he tonight. And he lost. On the whole, it was a shame that someone had to
lose the game: both teams were like poetry for great stretches of that game --
that endless game.
Perhaps it wasn't a good strategy to just hold the ball and waste clock,
and not even make a half hearted effort at a decent shot when up 5. Watching
Carlino just waste 30 seconds on the clock and then throw up a terrible brick
was just too funny.Epic collapse!
How does an RPI 40 team not get up for or be prepared for an RPI 141 team? Kinda
embarrassing, don't you think?
So many issues and so few words allocated...Up till this year I
thought that Coach Rose was one of the very best in the business but the ugly
truth is that he is being out coached this year... Don't know what is going
on but there is trouble in cougarville... None of our "Bigs" are playing
"well"... Austin is afraid to take a shot unless it's a cripple
(although he does well on the boards), Mika seems to be getting worse with every
game, he was very weak tonight on both ends of the floor...Collinsworth's offense, IMHO, is very over-rated... In 43 minutes tonight
he scores 12 points on 3-8 from the field, 6-12 from the line, and worst of all
he had only 4 assists against 6 TOs... That's horrible but consistent with
his other games... His strength is Defense and Rebounding... Until he starts
hitting 75% or better from the line Rose needs to take the ball out of his
hands...3 balls and free throws continue to stink.Both
Carlino and Haws had good games... But this should have been a win.Love the Cougars but this is getting old.
Here's the story of BYU's season:1) An opposing guard has
a career scoring night and BYU gets killed at the three-point line.2) The
Cougars' inside defense is horrendous and they are unable to get key
defensive rebounds.3) The BYU foul shooting is distressingly poor.4)
Cougar guards inexplicably huck up three-pointers and turn the ball over.5) BYU's coach gets outcoached in the last few minutes.Cougars play hard
and entice their fans into thinking they might win . . . but lose at the wire
against solid teams.6) Cougars play hard and entice their fans into
thinking they might win . . . but lose at the wire against solid teams.The Cougars need to learn how to break out of this frustrating pattern.
Ultimately, the coaches bear the responsibility. . . but the players win or lose
on character and discipline.
Another little team takes byu to the woodshed, not to mention what the good
teams do to them.
How can you score 110 points and still loose? One more proof that there's
so much parity in college basketball that any team can get you beaten any night.
Sad to read that we had our chances to win but blew it. Here's hoping we
redeem ourselves against the Zags, which maybe a tall order but certainly not
impossible. Go Cougars!
Hey BYU and especially Collinsworth, how about practice your free throws...This
game should not have been close.
Five years ago 99% of the people in Utah Valley had never heard of Portland
State. Now BYU loses to them ...along with the other no-names of their new
conference. To suggest BYU athletics is on STEEP decline is an understatement.
It's not the coaches ...it's the recruiting and the players. The Y
just doesn't get what they used to...not by a long shot in basketball or
football. I guess the upside is you can always take your kids to the Marriot
Center and get to sit where ever you want. Lavell Edwards stadium will soon be
like the Marriot center I suspect.
Dave Rose needs to start teaching his players how to play defense.
I don't know what is more discouraging - the horrible officiating that
obviously benefited Portland or the fact that we beat ourselves.Again.
Inability to make free throws lost the game. Just one more successful free throw
in regulation or the first two over times would have won the game.
@ Patriot It is Portland not Portland State.I doubt that no one will come
even in the 90s when BYU was terrible they got over 10000 there.During the
Crowton years people still came to football.Did you see this years
Basketball recruiting class (rated top 25 by some)Football is the same it
has always been under Mendenhall, average they just played a hard schedule
(CB's star ranking has the cougars equal to the utes in recruiting)In
basketball it is the fact that they don't play decent defense at all. I
played very high level basketball against players a lot better than me and I
could lock them down on defense, it is effort and technique. Technique is on the
coaches, effort is on the players. A team like portland should never be over 70.
Interesting that "fans" of a team that has yet to win on the road have
so much to say about a BYU road loss. Tell you what, Ute "fans". Until
your team manages to break the 0-fer road mark? Just go away.Kudos
to Portland for shooting so well from distance. Yes, BYU's perimeter
defense is still suspect and has been for what seems like forever. But there
were times when BYU was in the face of the shooter, and they still managed to
hit the shot.However, there is no excuse for the poor officiating.
Van der mars ended up with 18 rebounds, 10 on the offensive glass. But he
"earned" a lot of those while going over the back and committing other
fouls. It was extremely frustrating to watch him get away with those kinds of
things when Austin (for example) has been often called for fouls for doing some
of the same things.And, yes, Collinsworth was fouled with 1.5
seconds to go in regulation. He should have been at the line with a chance to
win it. He probably would have missed, but he should have had the chance.
Two names - Winder and Bartley. I know they're not from Utah County, but
what does BYU have to lose by playing a couple of nonresidents? When does Rugby
Players win games, teams win championships. Coaches recruit the type of players
they want to build teams. BYU recruits guys who can score from the perimeter
which makes it very hard to put a balanced team together. Why do
the quality bigs not come to BYU? Maybe it has something to do with the job
description of the bigs at BYU - set screens and rebound for Haws, Carlino,(fill
in the blank over the last 10 years). Don't get me wrong, its fun to watch
a great player go off - but its a team game. Why are Austin and Mika stuck in
neutral - they are not relevant on offense.Congrats to Haws -
phenomenal individual performance. And he is doing what he is being asked to do.
But basketball is a team game, that requires a balance of offense/defense and
inside/outside sets. BYU is one dimensional, built around perimeter players who
can shoot lights out. They will win some games with some great players, but
don't hold your breath for the post season. Teams win
championships. Mark Durrant said it best on the radio last week - sharing the
ball makes for a happy team...
Great game, bummer outcome. It's clear that BYU is the top basketball team
in the state... their game concluded well after midnight (central time) yet the
articles in the DNs already have over a dozen posts by so-called "ute
fans." Meanwhile Utah also played a game against a might PAC12 foe which
concluded much earlier but has yet to get a single comment by any fan. I love
how ute fans tease the cougs about playing in small venues when it is clear that
they are watching BYU and not their own team. Go Cougs!
I hated the loss but it WAS one heck of a game for both teams! The refs????
BYU is not a very good team. They have no defensive presence inside which
continues to kill them. And they struggle mightly to guard the 3. As they say
you win and lose with defense, which is why BYU will find themselves in the NIT
this year - again.
re:BeSmartYes they don't play defense but the real fact is they
don't have players. You don't see an Indiana or an Arizona lose to a
Portland State...they CRUSH them by 40 points. BYU has no players and even the
best of coaches can create talent.
Re: patriot"Yes they don't play defense but the real fact
is they don't have players. You don't see an Indiana or an Arizona
lose to a Portland State...they CRUSH them by 40 points."That's a silly claim to make when anyone can actually go look at the
Indiana or Arizona schedule to fact check. Fact: Indiana does not always CRUSH
the little guys. Indeed, this season the Hoosiers have only one 40+ point win.
They beat the mighty LIU Brooklyn Blackbirds by a single point. Arizona has
also had only one 40+ point win and beat the mighty Drexel by four points. Also Portland isn't "a Portland State." That's a 203
rank difference (95 to 298) in the Sagarin rankings with Portland (the team BYU
lost to in 3OT) being a top 100 ranked team. Carlino's 7 steals lead me to
believe that BYU does indeed have some players that play defense although I do
agree that defense is one of the bigger weaknesses of this years squad. Go
And not a word about horrible free throw shooting. Never goes to overtime if
some do not choke on free throws.
10 years ago if someone told me we would lose to a team named Portland the fans
would have died laughing. Feel bad for how the program is starting to slip, just
like football. We need to tighten things up and be spot on in recruiting,
fundamentals, game planning or we will quickly be a non relevant (trending there
Will someone please tell patriot that BYU played the University of Portland -
not Portland State University.
Free throws and 10% post play doomed my Cougars. I understand BYU is not a great
FT shooting team but Haws missed 3 and Mika fouled out with 4 points and was
totally dominated by Van Der Mars. Haws, Carlino and Austin were incredible. Portland had 1 player foul out in regulation and the 2nd in first
overtime. Portland had 3 others including bailey and their back up Point guard
with 4 fouls in OT 2-3 that remained to the end. I think they should have
attacked those players. Mika and Austin were 4 - 3 fouls respectively in OT 2
and both fouled out. Portlands Sharp was reminiscent of the Jimmer.
He Hit all kinds of 3's with hands in the face and even fouled by BYU on
one of them. Absolutely incredible effort and cudos to him.The end
of OT 2 saw Carlino fouled twice on the same play with a knee to his hip and
then a hard foul on the layup, neither one was called and the ball turned over
to Portland. All in all a terrifically fun game to watch but the
agony of the woulda, coulda shoulda nightmares were brutal.
With more turnovers in most of regulation than points or rebounds, why should
Collinsworth be playing point? Why should he be starting? I would think
he'd better serve the team coming off the bench to spell Mika and Austin.
Agree with Louisiana Cougar. There definitely seems to be some common
denominators in BYU's losses. Mika seems to be getting worse as
the season progresses, especially defensively. Haws needs to contribute as a
rebounder and defender along with his scoring role. Austin, a great rebounder,
needs to contribute offensively. He has a decent short range shot. He just needs
to use it more.
Tough and disappointing loss for BYU but they will bounce back against
Gonzaga.@idabluRebounding and playing defense has never
ever been on Haws resume.
Please back off throwing these players or coaches under the bus. We have to
stop living in the past and realize what our sports team are and the purpose for
them. Most years BYU is not going to get better athletes in basketball or
football than other Div 1 schools. That's just a fact. Enjoy watching the
kids compete and remember it's a game not a crusade.
Guess you need more than one guy to win at a team sport. Like my Dukies realized
that they needed to stop star gazing at Parker and actually contribute to win.
After losing to yet another school nobody's ever heard of, portland [Who?],
can byu even reach their ceiling of a 3rd-place conference finish in the
10th-rated conference overall in the nation?
patriotPortland University Pilots and Portland State are separate
entities.Michigan State played Portland UNIVERSITY and beat them by 15 yes
18-1 number 3 Michigan State far from 40.I agree that BYU is not very
talented this year, but you are bashing BYU's recruiting2014 2-4 star
2-3 star recruits2013 2-4 star 2-3 starTranfers arrived at BYUJamal Aytes 3-starChase Fischer 3-starConsidering that BYU made 6
consecutive NCAAs with limited talent, the future does appear optimistic.
As we've come to expect, 4 of the first 5 and a majority of the comments
(at least on the first page) are from critical Ute fans with mostly snide, petty
comments (Uteology being the exception). Those same Ute fans have no right
whatsoever to complain about BYU fans commenting on Ute articles.It's actually kind of funny to read how some Ute fans claim they have no
interest in BYU sports and then commenting about how few of people there were
watching the game, while they themselves stayed up so late to watch it. (I
wonder if it hurts whenever a person tries speaking out of both sides of their
mouth.)To set the record straight, there were approximately 3500
people in attendance... more than I've seen watching some Ute games in SLC
prior to this year.Portland is very tough at home... recently
beating a nationally ranked Gonzaga that previously had only 2 losses... and
those to very good teams. Considering Utah's road record,
there's no doubt Portland wouldn't have needed any overtime periods to
put them away.Triple overtime losses are especially difficult to
take... to actual fans of that team.
I didn't get to see the game but I'll bet in that second overtime with
an 8 point lead, the Y most likely stalled the ball and never got a good shot
off. They need to attack the basket. If the are up by 8, they should attack
the basket and be up by 18. Every time they have a lead toward the end of the
game they slow down, lose momentum and end up losing because they are trying to
protect the lead. The way to protect a lead is to score points. You can't
be accused of running up the score in an overtime game. Bottom line, PLAY
AGGRESSIVE!!! This is a coaching problem.
Big 12Sounds like you love to stay up late to watch BYU play real
entertaining basketball. You must also like to stay up late to watch utah play
Evergreen State and Grand Canyon!
Utah and BYU are heading towards a rematch in the NIT, very disappointing
Couldn't watch the game since ESPN doesn't show Y ball much on TV and
no Roots sports where I live, but did watch Gonzaga and they are not near as
good as in past years. Barely won at home last night, can see why they dropped
out of top 25. Y has a real chance with them as both are same mediocre level.
Before you Utes get too excited the Pac is a mediocre conference as evidence by
Colorado dropping out the rankings, We all know Zona is legit but not much else
after that. Duke destroyed UCLA and they are a little down this year
Nowadays, defense wins more games. Gunners are a dime a dozen. But, it's
the shot-blockers and thieves who are now the hot commodities. Start shopping
All of the snarky BYU/UTAH comments are to be expected...I'm
guilty of the same...That being said...That game was
amazing...Haws going off...Carlino making shots...Austin a rebounding machine...Halford inside his opponents
jersey on defense.The Portland player making unbelievable 3's
from every angle...Both sides playing to physical exhaustion...Thank you BYU and Portland for a very entertaining evening.
@ 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0:You "didn't even know
Portland had a division 1 basketball team"?Wow. That's yet
another example of why people usually don't pay much attention to most of
your comments. You obviously don't know much about college sports... and
this time even self-admittedly.At least there's hope. You
obviously like to read Deseret News BYU articles. So if you keep doing so,
there's still a chance you will become more sports enlightened. Keep
trying. You may yet get there.
Not impressed with the officiating. Obvious fouls going to the basket that
should have been called. The announcers equally did not have their head in the
games as obvious fouls were not even mentioned. I do not blame the outcome of
the game from the officiating as BYU had their chances at the free throw line
and continue blowing missed opportunities.
If we can't keep our 2 big guys out of foul trouble we will lose period.
Mika should have left on a mission and got 2 years of maturity under his belt.
Not quite sure if it's just me but is Mika getting killed lately? Maybe he
is still not 100%? Austin should take an outside shot once in a while just to
keep the defense honest. I am glad Carlino figured things out as he seems to
have adapted and adjusted to his new role. Collinsworth handles the ball way too
much especailly towards the end of games. He was terrible last night. For pete
sakes make a free throw!
Yawn. A triple overtime loss on the road to a team that ambushed Gonzaga. Sky is
falling! Sky is falling! We'll only go to the NIT!This is a
young team with talent, but a lot to learn. Too bad Mica will be gone next year,
but that's what happens at BYU.Kudos to BYU for being able to
field good teams with all the restrictions they have.This team is
too young to be consistent. Nuff said.
Their shooting guard was excellent and clutch as they come, but to me the best
player in that game and the one who really shut down his competition was van der
Mars. He's a really solid deep center. He owned Mika and showed
excellent mobility around the basket.I love this BYU team though,
literally for next year when they'll be senior laden. They're going
to be something really special.
BYU was mugged. Every time they went inside, they were fouled. Every time they
tried to get a rebound, van der Mars went through them to get the rebound. He
should have fouled out in regulation.Have to give credit to Sharp for
hitting everything he hoisted up. He couldn't miss.Good luck on
Saturday, you'll need it.
Scoreboard, smorgasbord... Cougar Nation doesn't care about scoreboard, the
better team is: BYU RPI 45Portland RPI 128So it
not even close, Portland is a bottom feeder (as defined by Cougar Nation).
@toosmartforyouAt least they lost in triple over-time and not in
regulation.-------------Are you not the same person that
LOL at Utah's "moral victories"? How typical!
BYU missed enough free-throws to have won the game without having even one
overtime.The fault stops with the coaches - Collinsworth has such an
ugly shot when shooting his free-throws, he has no fluidity at all - what
the heck is his problem?
Truth is that our Bigs are outplayed by most teams we play which is sad when you
consider that we have a "Bigs" coach in Pope with a good
reputation...Collinsworth is killing us... His Turnovers, inability
to finish, and his poor free throw shooting his costing us a lot of
possessions... Carlino is outplaying him big time and he frankly needs to be
sent back to the #3 and #4 position using mostly his Defense and Rebounding
skills which he excels in... He is costing us far too many empty
"possessions" a game right now.And to my friend Patriot...
Please learn the difference in Teams... their names and a little bit about their
resume...Portland Pilots are the team that beat Gonzaga and took
Michigan State to the Ropes this year... While the Portland State Vikings are
the team that plays in the Big Sky... The same conference as Sacramento State
and Cal Northridge who whipped the coach k utes in the HC last year.
Any number of things would have won this game for BYU--especially better
free-throw shooting or a few key foul calls on obvious, repeated hacks--but the
fact that they didn't generate any decent shot opportunities after they
went up big in the second overtime was inexcusable. Both Haws and Carlino were
great, but any team can defend two guys on a given possession (or three).
Someone else needed to step up, and it's extremely disappointing that
nobody did.(What's the point of calling fouls on hand checks if
you're going to let people get mugged in the lane or on defensive rebounds?
I hate the way games are being officiated this year!)
@wiscougarfan"It's clear that BYU is the top basketball
team in the state."Really? I believe that claim was settled a
month ago on December 14 at the Huntsman Center.
@Blue HuskyI think that you are wrong on this one...BYU
has as much Division I experience on the floor as more than 80% of the teams
that we play... So young and inexperienced they are not... We are hampered to a
degree by missions but we also benefit from having two more years of physical
development...It is true that Portland handily beat a
"Bell-less" Gonzaga team by about 10 on their home floor, but they also
lost to Santa Clara and North Texas on their home floor. (two teams that the
Cougs handily beat)... BYU should have beaten the Pilots last night but our two
bigs were completely stifled by the Portland Center (who had a career best night
in both points and rebounding) and our guards couldn't stop a slightly
over-weight #2 guard that averages 7 points a game (who also had a career best
night)...The Cougs have good, solid, capable athletes... but they
lost a game they should have won for the same reason that they have lost a
handful of other games... Free Throw shooting, 3 ball shooting and poor
defense... In other words... "poor coaching".
@Poyman...."Portland Pilots are the team that beat Gonzaga and took Michigan
State to the Ropes this year..."Beat gonzaga WOW what an
accomplishment and took Mich state to the ropes??? LOL ok whatever you say
@2seasonsbowless, I mean 2bcswins...So easy to check out what I
say... Don't believe me, look it up yourself... Portland was ahead of then
#1 Michigan State midway through the second half in East Lansing... Furthermore,
both Portland and BYU have won games this year on the Road... Gonzaga blew WSU
off the floor, how did y'all do against the WSU again?... Utah will not
only go winless on the road this year in the big bad pac12, they would be bottom
dwellers and go winless on the road in the WCC.Here's a
prediction for you... Utah will go 0-12 this season on the road before the pac12
Tourney and they will finish the year 19-16 with no Tourney invites yet again
completing a 5 year cycle with zero post season Tourney games (NCAA or NIT)