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  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 9:09 p.m.

    Good game overall so far, lets get a big win Utes.

    Go Utes!

  • The Anti Chris Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 9:47 p.m.

    Good to see CB on the threads already. This will be a win but not a big win. Remember the Trojans are the worst team in the conference so u better beat them at home. This really boost their RPI.

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 9:51 p.m.

    Good to see the utes pull off the upset. Way to go tonight.

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 9:54 p.m.

    Dominating performance for a big Pac 12 road win.

    Best team in the state of Utah, the Pac 12 Utes!

    Onward. Upward.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Jan. 16, 2014 9:57 p.m.

    One brief moment of hope for the Utes, before it all comes crashing down starting with UCLA.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 16, 2014 10:04 p.m.

    Congratulations to the Utes as they reach their high water mark in the conference.

    Unfortunately, it's mostly down hill from here.

  • Y>U Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 16, 2014 10:19 p.m.

    b12

    "Best team in the state of Utah,..."

    is obvious

    #50 BYU
    #95 USU
    #172 Utah
    #198 WSU

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 10:20 p.m.

    I see the Y fans are out in force tonight. Figures.

    Good bounce back win for the Utes and much improved shooting after their dismal trip to Washington.

    Now let's go get UCLA on Saturday.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 16, 2014 10:20 p.m.

    It's amazing what going 1-1 against LMU/Pepperdine and continuing this murderer's row of a schedule by beating USD/USF can do for one's confidence....4 schools most of the country's never even heard of before.

    Regarding my Alma Mater, we did what we were supposed to do and utterly smashed an inferior opponent tonight....Precisely how we utterly smashed yet another inferior opponent earlier this season, 81-64.

    Go Utes!

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 10:23 p.m.

    Good home win over a decent team.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 10:31 p.m.

    Another upset win at home for the Utes.

    This one, however, was much more predictable than the last one, since the Trojans are almost as bad on the road as the Utes, 1-4, with a loss to Utah State in the Spectrum 78-65 earlier this season.

  • jsanders Draper , UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 10:35 p.m.

    Its crazy how many BYU fans have read this article even tho the game ended a half hour ago

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 10:48 p.m.

    You never heard of the national champion University of San Francisco?

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 10:48 p.m.

    Re: Y>U

    Scoreboard!

    Just like football!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 16, 2014 10:51 p.m.

    Nice bounce back home win for the Utes over a fellow PAC 12 bottom dweller.

    I always find it interesting when the comments from Utah fans about a Utah game are all about BYU.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 10:52 p.m.

    Y>U,

    Have you noticed which way BYU's RPI has been trending despite their win streak?

    So yeah, keep touting the RPI and claiming state superiority while you can but don't bother thinking twice about how RPI rankings only matter after all games have been played. Oh and pay no attention to 17 point losses while you're at it.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 10:59 p.m.

    motorbike

    Have you noticed which way Utah's RPI has been trending since PAC 12 play began, contrary to claims from the kids on the hill that Utah's RPI would improve dramatically in conference?

    #50 is FAR superior to #172, regardless of how you slice it.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 11:10 p.m.

    Y's little brother

    "#50 is FAR superior to #172, regardless of how you slice it."

    And 81 is better than 64, regardless of how you slice it.

    Wow, that was just too easy.

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 11:11 p.m.

    Utes looked good tonight. Bring on UCLA!

    Did any of our mid-major teams play tonight? MWC games? Big Sky games? WCC games? I'm betting no WCC games because the majority of the comments about Utah's game have come from WCC fans.

    Go Utes!

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 11:12 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    You need to break out of the crimson bubble some time.

    Ever heard of Bill Russell, KC Jones, or Bill Cartwright?

    All are former members of a University of San Francisco program that won back-to-back National Championships!

    Most knowledgeable college basketball fans would know that.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 11:20 p.m.

    Utah and BYU are near each other in BPI but lets just ignore that... also ignore the fact that Utah's four losses combined are by a smaller margin than BYU's loss to Utah.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 16, 2014 11:20 p.m.

    Utah. 84. final
    USC 66

    Just the Facts!

  • William Wallace OGDEN, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 11:27 p.m.

    I just don't get it. The anger from the Cougs. Keep citing your RPI and whatever else you want, and maybe they'll change it so it looks like your Cougs beat the Utes. Get off the Utah articles, if your Cougs are so great. Don't worry about the Utes. You're obviously superior.
    Go Utes.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 11:26 p.m.

    Well, motor there was only one way to go. The utes could not go any lower. All that said it was a great upset win over USC. That may have been their last conference win of the season.

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 11:29 p.m.

    Gee little brother,

    Thanks for keeping track of FAR important information for us. You obviously follow the PAC-12 FAR more than I follow the Big Sky, MWC or WCC mid-major programs.

    Thank you for the RPI report.

  • Ute buster Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2014 11:31 p.m.

    It cracks me up that the utes can win the occasional game against their big brother and then claim superiority as the best team in the state even though every national ranking system would have BYU as the better team. Silly ute fans.
    That icing from their cupcakes has got them on a sugar high

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Jan. 17, 2014 7:21 a.m.

    A win the team had to have, and they got it. This certainly is a different team at home than on the road, but that's what happens with a young team.

    Now, let's go get the breakthrough win against UCLA

    Go Utes

  • The Moose Southern, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 7:53 a.m.

    Ute buster: It cracks me up that ratings mean more than the actual games to you. We have a better record than you, we beat you. Rank all you want.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Jan. 17, 2014 8:28 a.m.

    Interesting that so many Y fans would rather comment on a Utah article than watch BYU play.

    I heard you guys won last night. Congratulations...that's cute.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    Nice win for the Utes. Don't care what BYU fans are on here with their belittling comments about the program, conference, coach, RPI, etc.

    The Utes were much improved and USC had a beast in the middle that the Ute bigs did a reasonable job holding in check.

    Nice to see Tucker, Wright, and Loveridge all have a nice game. Utah will certainly win be improved over last year if they keep progressing. That is all I'm looking for...steady improvement from a very young team.

    Cougar fans like it when computers decide things. Perhaps BYU thinks keeping the BCS system with computer rankings is best so they can continue to remain shut out of that system.

  • BigBear38297 Clinton, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    Yeah Bill Russell, KC Jones, and the back to back national championship San Francisco program. Oh wait wasn't that in the 60's? Just because they had a good team then doesn't mean jack now! Just like all you Y fans that still brag about a national championship in football 30 years ago but don't think a sugar bowl win over a power house Alabama program in the last 5 years doesn't mean anything. Have fun in the feared WCC! The Utes will be just fine in the PAC12 where things are looking up for them for years to come!

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    BYU fans,

    How did your team do in your head-to-head matchup against Utah this year?

    It's unbelievable how your fan base is obsessed with all things related to the U of U. USC would have crushed the mighty Cougars. Please just continue playing your "tough" WCC competition and leave the real college basketball competition to the Utes.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Jan. 17, 2014 9:03 a.m.

    To BYU fans who post on Utah articles:

    If you have something to add to the discussion in a civil and mature manner, by all means, let's discuss.

    If your only here to stir up trouble, throw jabs, and argue, please don't post on Utah articles.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 9:15 a.m.

    Y's little brother "#50 is FAR superior to #172, regardless of how you slice it."

    Y do U look at the RPI instead of the scoreboard? 81-64

    Is that the only way to get a (contested) National Championship?

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 9:26 a.m.

    Anyone dissing USC or Utah didn't see the game.
    I missed the Oregon game, but this was the best basketball I have seen at the Huntsman Center in seven years.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    A comment from an article yesterday: "Ute fans are the only fans I know who appear to cheer for their conference ahead of their teams."

    But now we have folks lauding the strength and notoriety of their team's conference based on NC's won by possibly the greatest player of all time, who went there as his only option in a racist college basketball landscape. It's a great story, but it was 60 years ago. Those Dons teams wouldn't have lost to Idaho State or been blown out by Illinois State. This one already has.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 9:48 a.m.

    Gone under, and congrats on that upset win over the mighty Dons. I see you're not tooting the horn of how terrible of a player Wright is again, that's kind of you.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 9:54 a.m.

    Nice win Utah. Now take this confidence on the road. I think your team is headed in the right direction but you've got to get past the hump away from home. Still think the OOC strategy took a valid theory too far but we'll see how the rest of the season pans out for you. Don't worry about my fellow BYU fans. They're just tools taking their frustration against the Utes out anyway they can. Some of it's from the losses to you but mostly it's from years of your fans flooding our boards. I can't blame them but it's still childish payback. Just remember that a couple wins does not a season make and keep going.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    atl134

    Fast Facts

    - Utah is WINLESS on the road this season
    - Utah played THE WEAKEST schedule in the country the first two months of the season
    - One game does not a season make
    - #36 BYU is ranked well ahead of #151 Utah in RPI
    - In ESPN's latest Bracketology, BYU is included in the "First Four Out", while Utah isn't even in the picture for an NCAA tournament berth

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 17, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    BigBear38297--

    "Yeah Bill Russell, KC Jones, and the back to back national championship San Francisco program. Oh wait wasn't that in the 60's? Just because they had a good team then doesn't mean jack now!"

    Bingo!

    Razzle2--

    "Anyone dissing USC or Utah didn't see the game.

    I missed the Oregon game, but this was the best basketball I have seen at the Huntsman Center in seven years."

    Anybody who's watched USC knows their mediocre record has zero to do w/a lack-of-talent and everything to do w/having a brand-new coach/system and a tough schedule....Their 1st 4 games in conference play, for instance, have come at UCLA/The U and ASU/ua at home and they made #1 ua work for it, as they were only down by 3 at the half.

    This is also a team good enough to beat Xavier this season....We destroyed a better than average team last night....As we gain experience, being such a young team, we'll become a more consistent team, particularly on the road....It's not as if we've gotten blown-out this season!

    Go Utes!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    Lucky win. They only win bad teams except us and that was lucky.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 10:31 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    Wasn't Utah's one and only NCAA tournament championship won during the 40's, when the NIT was still the premier tournament of the day?

    Just because Utah won a tournament then and had a good team during the Majerus era, doesn't mean jack now!

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 10:33 a.m.

    Congrats to the Utes on their win. Utah is trending up and the team their fans love to hate is probably just trending, whatever that could mean. Utah has some fine players and their program will be just fine for years to come. Not great, but fine and that's fine by me.

    Questions for all readers: What constitutes a major college program? If a school is in a conference that is commonly referred to as a major conference, does that mean all schools in that conference by default have major programs/teams? Does USC have a major college basketball team? What about Butler or Gonzaga? Are they major college teams or just major caliber?

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:05 a.m.

    I hate to have to agree with AZUTE, but when Utah State spanked the Trojans in the Spectrum it was not because USC did not have athletes. It was because they were still implementing their new system. At times they looked a little lost out on the court. I would think that by now USC is more accustomed to their new system and were able to put up a better fight. So congratulations to the Utes for beating a quality team with some quality players. I hope the Utes continue to improve the way USC has.....good luck on the rest of the season.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:06 a.m.

    Utah never beats anyone good at home.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:09 a.m.

    Latest Sagarin Rankings - Sagarin doesn't count non-Div 1 games

    #41 BYU(11-7) 14th toughest SOS
    #63 Utah(11-4) 327th "toughest" SOS

    Utah has a chance to make a statement versus UCLA, but I suspect that statement will be a resounding thud, or at best, another moral victory.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:23 a.m.

    Whoa Nellie, thank you for your restrained comment. I would say if you jump over to the BYU/San Francisco article and compare the number of negative comments on this thread from BYU fans, you would see many more negative comments from Cougar fans.

    Your point is well taken...USC has long been a football powerhouse and not so in basketball. That said, USC has beaten Xavier (currently 8-3 and several quality wins themselves) and they had some good players.

    I personally think Butler and Gonzaga are two really good teams in average conferences. WCC teams are not typically beating the nation's best. They are 2-6 against the PAC 12 this year, with a Gonzaga win over Washington State and a BYU win over Stanford (a quality win).

    Can a conference with most schools having enrollment under 10,000 and average attendance for BYU games around 2,600 be considered a major conference?

    Utah has been in every game and I think will continue to be, leading them to win more games than they did last year. Rebuilding doesn't happen overnight (see Steve Cleveland).

    Both schools should enjoy their successes and quit trying to run down the other side.

  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:25 a.m.

    Oh byu fans... Thanks for the good laugh this morning! Your many jealous comments really did make me LOL!

    GO UTES!!!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    Naah, your assessment is somewhat true, but SC looks to me a lot like the Utes did last year; some very good players, a few other players plugging up the leaks, with the potential for some good games, but just very inconsistent overall. I wouldn't be surprised to see them beat a few upper-middle conference teams, but I will be surprised if they end the season with a winning record. That said, Utah was expected to win and took care of business. It wasn't a breakthrough or trademark win, but it stopped the bleeding from the road trip last week. A win tomorrow would be a very good win. Thanks for the classy commentary, guy. Good luck to your Ags.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:35 a.m.

    I love how a group of fans like to continually belittle a team that beat their team. By 17 points no less in a public embarrassment.

    Priceless.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    @TRUTH MACHINE
    "Utah played THE WEAKEST schedule in the country the first two months of the season"

    That's not true at all... they played the second weakest (I still need to figure out which team had the worst non-conference SOS). Oh, and I'm not trying to suggest Utah is better than BYU, even with that head-to-head win. I think the two teams are rather comparable though Utah still has some to prove in that regard.

    "Utah is WINLESS on the road this season"

    In 3 road games... which they lost by a combined total of 7 points. BYU just ended a four game winless streak on the road.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    Re: Scott and Lifelong Republican

    Have you ever heard of trying to remain being relevant? Those things happened over 50 years ago. Like touting a mytheical national championship from 1984.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:53 a.m.

    Stringer Bell

    Utah basketball hasn't been relevant in almost a decade.

    ---------------

    There was nothing "mythical" about BYU's 1984 national championship, except in the minds of jealous Utah fans whose team has never even come close to winning a major college football national championship.

    If the standard for being a "non-mythical" national champion is the bcs, then BYU has won as many bcs national championships as the entire PAC 12 combined.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:58 a.m.

    Dakari had big game yesterday. Good to see someone else besides JL, DW, and BT stepping up. Hopefully that continues going forward.

    What a big week, looking forward to the UCLA game!

    Go UTES!

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 12:15 p.m.

    Troy Town, final AP ranking in 2008 was #2 for Utah, so I'd call that awfully close to a national championship. They were undefeated and had to beat a team that was the consensus #1 team most of that season, who went on to win 3 national championships since.

    The BYU championship has and will be debated on these boards ad nauseum. The record books show they have it, so this Ute fan says the record books count more than the RPI rankings that Cougar fans keep wielding on these boards like a blunt instrument.

    As for your last comment, the BCS was put in place to prevent national championships by teams whose overall body of work was not sufficient, otherwise Boise State might just have a few national championships by now. It failed in some respects to do that, but was a better system than the polls deciding.

    BYU didn't pass muster in the BCS system in the MWC or as an Independent.

    Methinks you protest too much.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 12:19 p.m.

    News flash to Cougar fans. The Utes beat you in both basketball and football. So putting down our team only makes yours look that much worse. Not to mention the poor sportsmanship it shows.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    Jan. 17, 2014 12:23 p.m.

    I love how a group of fans who are constantly beating their chests about being in the PAC 12 define their season success by winning their first game in 8 tries versus a WCC team.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 12:30 p.m.

    DraperUteFan

    The AP poll isn't the official bcs poll. In the official bcs final poll, the Coaches poll, the Utes finished 4th, barely better than BYU's 1996 Cotton Bowl winning team.

    In the final 2008 BCS standings, the Utes finished 6th, no even close to qualifying for the bcs championship game.

    In the final 2008 AP poll, the Utes finished a distant 2nd.

    Slice it any way that helps you sleep at night, but the Utes didn't come close to winning the 2008 national championship.

    ------------

    BYU 1984, on the other hand, was the consensus National Champion - #1 AP and Coaches.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 17, 2014 12:36 p.m.

    DUF

    "the BCS was put in place to prevent national championships by teams whose overall body of work was not sufficient"

    Then the entire PAC 12 failed to pass muster during the bcs era, because the PAC 12 was the only "major" conference that didn't win a single bcs national championship.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    Mormon Ute

    Being an ungracious winner is just has "unsportsmanlike" as being a sore loser.

    As far as head-to-head wins go, do you honestly think that Stanford fans consider Utah to be better than the Cardinal?

  • Reasonable thinker Seattle, WA
    Jan. 17, 2014 12:53 p.m.

    To all the ute fans that have angst over byu fans posting on Utah articles; Did it ever occur to you that Utah fans do the same on byu articles. How is it different?
    Just asyin.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 17, 2014 12:52 p.m.

    DraperUteFan

    You obviously don't understand that the AP poll has absolutely no connection to the bcs, so your entire bcs spiel is completely meaningless when it comes to AP national champions.

    The AP didn't even care which two teams were invited to the bcs championship game.

  • 11 of past 12 Seattle, WA
    Jan. 17, 2014 1:00 p.m.

    My, the utes fans are out in force today. I think that they have a memory issue about who won the previous 8 games in B-ball when they talk superiority. The true test of how good the utes are will not be based on how they did in the preseason wit the weakest schedule in the ENTORE nation, it will be how they do in conference play. If they can be in the top 6 of the conference by the end of the season then I will give them props for a good season. If they finish like they have the past two years then we will have to call a spade a spade and stop talking about rebuilding on the hill How long does it take to rebuild?

  • stampederus Ephraim, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    Did the Utes beat a PAC-12 USC team or a prestigious PAC -12 USC team? Perhaps Chris B or others can advice.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    killarney,

    The BYU win doesn't define the Ute's season. We're not even halfway through our conference schedule yet so there is a lot more to go that will define our season. Including a number of games agains top 25 programs. Those are much more important to our overall success that beating BYU. It's just funny that BYU fans jump on these articles when the Utes win and downplay our success which only helps point out the failings of their own team.

    TrollPolice,

    What did I say that was ungracious? We did win the game, didn't we? That is all I pointed out along with the fact that when you put down a team that has already beaten your team you do in fact cast aspersions on your own team. I prefer to let the teams decide who's better on the court or the field. It's much more simple that way.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    Y's little, You quote the AP poll for BYU then dismiss it for Utah. There is no "distant 2nd." They were the 2nd ranked team by the AP, end of story. Utah beat everyone on their schedule, an argument Cougar fans have been using since time immemorial for their 1984 season. The BCS was inherently broken, which is why it was done away with, but BYU still couldn't crack it. Nice of you to reference the 1996 season of nearly 20 years ago.

    mussingaround, USC won a national championship game that was later taken away, but they won the game nonetheless. The PAC 12 has been in the game three times and every game was close.

    Elimination of the BCS will likely provide the PAC 12 more opportunities to play for the NC than they previously had.

    Get all fired up if it makes you feel better, but the statement that Utah came nowhere near a NC is not accurate. They came as close as the BCS system would allow...which was to win every game and beat a quality SEC opponent who won the NC the following year.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    midpacmajor, for the record, Utah fans have been pointing out for years that BYU circa 1984 would not have won a national championship using the BCS formula of polls and computer rankings due to SOS. Some post-1984 computer rankings have the Cougs ranked anywhere from 2-6th based on a formula comparable to the BCS.

    Utah fans understand the BCS system with all its limitations, having participated in BCS games unlike BYU. I went to both the Fiesta and Sugar Bowls, so I think I probably know a thing or two about the BCS system. We lobbied hard to get rid of it.

    The point was made that Utah did not come close to winning a national championship, which is false. They came as close as the BCS system would allow, which would also apply to BYU in 1984.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 17, 2014 1:57 p.m.

    To those "touting" 1984 here--

    '84--

    TCU, BSU, and Utah have been tearing it up over the last decade, but in 1984 Byu did something none of those other "Little Big" teams have even gotten a legitimate shot at: they finished #1.

    Unfortunately, Byu '84 differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent. The only so-called "national champion" that didn't (though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).

    Byu's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 D-1A schools.

    And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule.

    They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called "national champion."

    How bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the B10, and the B10 was a horrid 12-15 against non-conference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games. The only conference in the country that was as bad as the B10 was the WAC itself.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 3:31 p.m.

    @ 11 o 12

    "the Ute fans are out in force". You do realize that this article was about the University of Utah's basketball team right?

    This constant ankle biting back and forth of which team is better gets so old. This article is about Utah beating USC in basketball but now we are discussing the validity of byu's 84 championship. Seriously ridiculous.

    As for Utah, it was nice to see them bounce back from an very poor road trip. I'm happy to see a few other guys step up and shoot the ball. Tucker needs to be able to knock down those open looks and Brandon Taylor finally made a few shots too. It would be nice to see Parker VanDyke be able to find some offensive rythm as well. The Utes will need other guys to be able to shoot otherwise teams will double either Wright or Loveridge and they are done.

    The Utes have some really tough games coming up so hopefully they can continue to get better.

    Go Utes!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 17, 2014 3:52 p.m.

    scott:

    "Ever heard of Bill Russell, KC Jones, or Bill Cartwright?"

    We are in 2014 and you are bringing up 1955 to make an argument. Typical

    Go Utes!!

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 4:09 p.m.

    @11 to 12

    "the ute fans are out in force"
    ---------------

    you tell those ute fans! how dare they come on to a utah basketball article and start posting comments!

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Jan. 17, 2014 4:15 p.m.

    Reasonable thinker:

    Does one bad deed justify another?

    I wouldn't want the constant bickering there either, but since I don't go to BYU articles. Please don't come on here and stir up trouble or try to justify poor behavior because it might happen somewhere else.

    I am very glad the D News is actively trying to clean up the boards, but it really comes down to those of us who post being civil and mature.

  • daviscoug Syracuse, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 4:21 p.m.

    @ niners:

    Best comment on this board. PERIOD!! It highlights how ridiculous this whole thing has become. I'm a BYU fan through and through but I don't think that putting down the Utes, especially after losing to them, is in good taste. So, my comments on the game are this:

    A win is a win is a win. Winning typically begets more winning. Confidence in yourself, your coaches and your team can be fragile and winning helps keep that confidence strong. Playing a weak OOC may not have entirely prepared he Utes for the rigors of Pac-12 play, especially on the road, but it does help a young team with many new faces gel and progress. If Coach K had scheduled a tougher OOC where might his team be now. Could be shattered beyond belief. On the flip side, the Cougars did play a tough OOC and it may have hurt them as they struggled to open WCC play. The Cougars are also a young team. Not as many new faces but not much in the way of Juniors and Seniors, either. In retrospect I would wager that both schools would have like to have more moderate schedules.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 17, 2014 4:28 p.m.

    DraperUteFan

    "There is no "distant 2nd." [in the AP poll]"

    Actually there is.

    Ranked only #7 entering Sugar Bowl, the Utes had absolutely no chance of overtaking Florida to finish #1.

    Florida received 3 times more 1st place votes than Utah 48-16 and almost 100 more points 1606 to 1519. #3 USC, with 1 first place vote, was closer to Utah 1519 to 1481, than Utah was to Florida.

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    "USC won a national championship game that was later taken away, but they won the game nonetheless."

    No they didn't.

    One of USC's key players in that game shouldn't have even been on the field, so who cares whether the Trojans "won" a game they didn't deserve to win. As far as official bcs history is concerned, the game never happened, and the PAC 12 finished the bcs era without a single bcs national championship.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 17, 2014 4:51 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent."

    On October 20, 1984, BYU beat Air Force 30-25 in Colorado Springs.

    Air Force(8-4) finished #24 in the Final AP poll, technically not ranked, because only the Top 20 were ranked in 1984, but higher in the final poll than Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which only finished #25 in the Final AP poll.

    Air Force stomped Virginia Tech(8-4) 23-7 in the Independence Bowl.

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    How bad was Michigan?

    Michigan was an early national championship contender themselves and were ranked #13 until early October. If the Wolverines had beaten Ohio State in their regular season finale, Michigan would have represented the Big Ten in the Rose Bowl.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 4:53 p.m.

    Re: Rockwell

    1984 is the only time a national champion did not beat a team ranked in the final top 25 poll.

    BYU has the same strategy for 2014, have you seen their football schedule? Have fun playing Savannah State, while Utah is playing Stanford and Oregon.
    Have fun in basketball playing San Francisco and Pepperdine while Utah plays #1 Arizona twice, and UCLA tomorrow.

    By the way Utah also won on the court and on the field.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 17, 2014 5:01 p.m.

    VegasUte

    "We are in 2014 and you are bringing up 1955 to make an argument."

    Talk to AZUTE1. She's the won who was claiming that BYU had just beaten an opponent that nobody had ever heard of.

    It's funny how Utah fans don't have any problem bragging about Utah's 1944 NCAA tourney win, or Utah's 40's, 50's and 60's era Sweet 16s, Elite 8s, and Final Fours, but 1955 and 1984 are far too long ago to remembered by Utah fans if it refers to history not associated with the Utes.

    When does Utah's 1998 finals run become irrelevant, because, according to the kids on the hill, Ty Detmer's 1990 Heisman Trophy and BYU's 1996 14-1 #5-ranked Cotton Bowl winning seasons are already irrelevant?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 17, 2014 5:09 p.m.

    Rockwell--

    "On October 20, 1984, BYU beat Air Force 30-25 in Colorado Springs.

    Air Force(8-4) finished #24 in the Final AP poll, technically not ranked, because only the Top 20 were ranked in 1984, but higher in the final poll than Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which only finished #25 in the Final AP poll."

    AF was neither "technically" ranked nor otherwise, period....I am curious, however, why you don't make the comparison to our 2008 team, instead?

    Regarding our 2004 team, they crushed every one of their opponents and would've done the same thing to 1984 byu, as well....The same thing goes for our 2008 team.

    "Michigan was an early national championship contender themselves and were ranked #13 until early October. If the Wolverines had beaten Ohio State in their regular season finale, Michigan would have represented the Big Ten in the Rose Bowl."

    I'll re-state myself regarding Michigan--

    "They finished 6th in the B10, and the B10 was a horrid 12-15 against non-conference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games. The only conference in the country that was as bad as the B10 was the WAC itself."

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 17, 2014 8:18 p.m.

    9,231 fans? What else was going on - a gymnastics meet? Utah bball will never compete against the Red Rocks for fans.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 17, 2014 8:56 p.m.

    Like McBride said...

    "In the early years, I think BYU felt that they had outgrown the conference and their people were talking about how BYU would go to the Big 12 or the Pac-10. They used to come into the Utah game always talking about who they would be playing in their bowl game.... When we started beating them, they stopped talking about their bowl game."

    Now that we OWN them all they talk about is how WE struggle in the PAC-12.

    So why do we even play BYU?

    It's obvious, from the posts, that scoreboard no longer matters to Cougar Nation. So lets just not play each other and we'll just let Sagarin and RPI decide?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 17, 2014 10:45 p.m.

    "So why do we even play BYU?"

    Because, just like the 80's, win or lose, BYU is your bowl game.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:22 p.m.

    Snack PAC
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    "So why do we even play BYU?"

    Because, just like the 80's, win or lose, BYU is your bowl game.

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    BYU is as much as our bowl game as Weber State, Utah State, New Mexico (aka teams that Utah has no problem with according to the scoreboard).

    Fact is Utah is 8-1 against teams like BYU since joining the PAC-12, 41-7 since 2007. All 7 loses to ranked teams.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 18, 2014 12:57 p.m.

    Uteology

    Fact is, since U only play two games max per season against teams like BYU and Utah St (Weber St is just as much a punching bag for BYU as it is for Utah), beating BYU has done absolutely NOTHING for Utah except to give U your only semblance of a bowl game for two of your three PAC 12 seasons.

    It's laughable that U continue to obsess about BYU, while completely ignoring the true state of your program - perennial punching bag for the big boys of the conference:

    9-18 in football
    10-31 in basketball

  • oaklandaforlife SLC, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 4:43 p.m.

    A sweep of the PAC-12 LA teams. Job well done Utah.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 20, 2014 10:41 a.m.

    UCLa isn't a good team, not sure how they are still ranked, the media tries to hype up the Pac this year but its becoming apparent that Zona is the top dog, the Buffs meh maybe but UCla and Oregon were frauds. My Dukies took the Bruins behind the woodshed and I admit that they aren't all that good this year.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 11:38 p.m.

    @ jarka-rus

    "its becoming apparent that Zona is the top dog"

    Becoming? They've been ranked # 1 since early December... It's been apparent for a while.