Good game overall so far, lets get a big win Utes.Go Utes!
Good to see CB on the threads already. This will be a win but not a big win.
Remember the Trojans are the worst team in the conference so u better beat them
at home. This really boost their RPI.
Good to see the utes pull off the upset. Way to go tonight.
Dominating performance for a big Pac 12 road win.Best team in the
state of Utah, the Pac 12 Utes!Onward. Upward.
One brief moment of hope for the Utes, before it all comes crashing down
starting with UCLA.
Congratulations to the Utes as they reach their high water mark in the
conference.Unfortunately, it's mostly down hill from here.
b12"Best team in the state of Utah,..."is
obvious#50 BYU#95 USU#172 Utah#198 WSU
I see the Y fans are out in force tonight. Figures.Good bounce back
win for the Utes and much improved shooting after their dismal trip to
Washington.Now let's go get UCLA on Saturday.
It's amazing what going 1-1 against LMU/Pepperdine and continuing this
murderer's row of a schedule by beating USD/USF can do for one's
confidence....4 schools most of the country's never even heard of
before.Regarding my Alma Mater, we did what we were supposed to do
and utterly smashed an inferior opponent tonight....Precisely how we utterly
smashed yet another inferior opponent earlier this season, 81-64.Go
Good home win over a decent team.
Another upset win at home for the Utes.This one, however, was much
more predictable than the last one, since the Trojans are almost as bad on the
road as the Utes, 1-4, with a loss to Utah State in the Spectrum 78-65 earlier
Its crazy how many BYU fans have read this article even tho the game ended a
half hour ago
You never heard of the national champion University of San Francisco?
Re: Y>UScoreboard!Just like football!
Nice bounce back home win for the Utes over a fellow PAC 12 bottom dweller.I always find it interesting when the comments from Utah fans about a
Utah game are all about BYU.
Y>U,Have you noticed which way BYU's RPI has been trending
despite their win streak?So yeah, keep touting the RPI and claiming
state superiority while you can but don't bother thinking twice about how
RPI rankings only matter after all games have been played. Oh and pay no
attention to 17 point losses while you're at it.
motorbikeHave you noticed which way Utah's RPI has been
trending since PAC 12 play began, contrary to claims from the kids on the hill
that Utah's RPI would improve dramatically in conference?#50 is
FAR superior to #172, regardless of how you slice it.
Y's little brother"#50 is FAR superior to #172, regardless
of how you slice it."And 81 is better than 64, regardless of how
you slice it.Wow, that was just too easy.
Utes looked good tonight. Bring on UCLA!Did any of our mid-major
teams play tonight? MWC games? Big Sky games? WCC games? I'm betting no WCC
games because the majority of the comments about Utah's game have come from
WCC fans.Go Utes!
AZUTE1You need to break out of the crimson bubble some time.Ever heard of Bill Russell, KC Jones, or Bill Cartwright?All
are former members of a University of San Francisco program that won
back-to-back National Championships!Most knowledgeable college
basketball fans would know that.
Utah and BYU are near each other in BPI but lets just ignore that... also ignore
the fact that Utah's four losses combined are by a smaller margin than
BYU's loss to Utah.
Utah. 84. finalUSC 66Just the Facts!
I just don't get it. The anger from the Cougs. Keep citing your RPI and
whatever else you want, and maybe they'll change it so it looks like your
Cougs beat the Utes. Get off the Utah articles, if your Cougs are so great.
Don't worry about the Utes. You're obviously superior.Go Utes.
Well, motor there was only one way to go. The utes could not go any lower. All
that said it was a great upset win over USC. That may have been their last
conference win of the season.
Gee little brother, Thanks for keeping track of FAR important
information for us. You obviously follow the PAC-12 FAR more than I follow the
Big Sky, MWC or WCC mid-major programs.Thank you for the RPI report.
It cracks me up that the utes can win the occasional game against their big
brother and then claim superiority as the best team in the state even though
every national ranking system would have BYU as the better team. Silly ute
fans.That icing from their cupcakes has got them on a sugar high
A win the team had to have, and they got it. This certainly is a different team
at home than on the road, but that's what happens with a young team. Now, let's go get the breakthrough win against UCLAGo
Ute buster: It cracks me up that ratings mean more than the actual games to
you. We have a better record than you, we beat you. Rank all you want.
Interesting that so many Y fans would rather comment on a Utah article than
watch BYU play.I heard you guys won last night.
Nice win for the Utes. Don't care what BYU fans are on here with their
belittling comments about the program, conference, coach, RPI, etc. The Utes were much improved and USC had a beast in the middle that the Ute
bigs did a reasonable job holding in check. Nice to see Tucker,
Wright, and Loveridge all have a nice game. Utah will certainly win be improved
over last year if they keep progressing. That is all I'm looking
for...steady improvement from a very young team.Cougar fans like it
when computers decide things. Perhaps BYU thinks keeping the BCS system with
computer rankings is best so they can continue to remain shut out of that
Yeah Bill Russell, KC Jones, and the back to back national championship San
Francisco program. Oh wait wasn't that in the 60's? Just because they
had a good team then doesn't mean jack now! Just like all you Y fans that
still brag about a national championship in football 30 years ago but don't
think a sugar bowl win over a power house Alabama program in the last 5 years
doesn't mean anything. Have fun in the feared WCC! The Utes will be just
fine in the PAC12 where things are looking up for them for years to come!
BYU fans,How did your team do in your head-to-head matchup against
Utah this year?It's unbelievable how your fan base is obsessed
with all things related to the U of U. USC would have crushed the mighty
Cougars. Please just continue playing your "tough" WCC competition and
leave the real college basketball competition to the Utes.
To BYU fans who post on Utah articles:If you have something to add
to the discussion in a civil and mature manner, by all means, let's
discuss.If your only here to stir up trouble, throw jabs, and argue,
please don't post on Utah articles.
Y's little brother "#50 is FAR superior to #172, regardless of how you
slice it."Y do U look at the RPI instead of the scoreboard?
81-64Is that the only way to get a (contested) National
Anyone dissing USC or Utah didn't see the game.I missed the Oregon
game, but this was the best basketball I have seen at the Huntsman Center in
A comment from an article yesterday: "Ute fans are the only fans I know who
appear to cheer for their conference ahead of their teams."But
now we have folks lauding the strength and notoriety of their team's
conference based on NC's won by possibly the greatest player of all time,
who went there as his only option in a racist college basketball landscape.
It's a great story, but it was 60 years ago. Those Dons teams wouldn't
have lost to Idaho State or been blown out by Illinois State. This one already
Gone under, and congrats on that upset win over the mighty Dons. I see
you're not tooting the horn of how terrible of a player Wright is again,
that's kind of you.
Nice win Utah. Now take this confidence on the road. I think your team is
headed in the right direction but you've got to get past the hump away from
home. Still think the OOC strategy took a valid theory too far but we'll
see how the rest of the season pans out for you. Don't worry about my
fellow BYU fans. They're just tools taking their frustration against the
Utes out anyway they can. Some of it's from the losses to you but mostly
it's from years of your fans flooding our boards. I can't blame them
but it's still childish payback. Just remember that a couple wins does not
a season make and keep going.
atl134Fast Facts - Utah is WINLESS on the road this
season- Utah played THE WEAKEST schedule in the country the first two
months of the season- One game does not a season make- #36 BYU is
ranked well ahead of #151 Utah in RPI- In ESPN's latest Bracketology,
BYU is included in the "First Four Out", while Utah isn't even in
the picture for an NCAA tournament berth
BigBear38297--"Yeah Bill Russell, KC Jones, and the back to back
national championship San Francisco program. Oh wait wasn't that in the
60's? Just because they had a good team then doesn't mean jack
USC or Utah didn't see the game.I missed the Oregon game, but
this was the best basketball I have seen at the Huntsman Center in seven
years."Anybody who's watched USC knows their mediocre
record has zero to do w/a lack-of-talent and everything to do w/having a
brand-new coach/system and a tough schedule....Their 1st 4 games in conference
play, for instance, have come at UCLA/The U and ASU/ua at home and they made #1
ua work for it, as they were only down by 3 at the half.This is also
a team good enough to beat Xavier this season....We destroyed a better than
average team last night....As we gain experience, being such a young team,
we'll become a more consistent team, particularly on the road....It's
not as if we've gotten blown-out this season!Go Utes!
Lucky win. They only win bad teams except us and that was lucky.
AZUTE1Wasn't Utah's one and only NCAA tournament
championship won during the 40's, when the NIT was still the premier
tournament of the day?Just because Utah won a tournament then and
had a good team during the Majerus era, doesn't mean jack now!
Congrats to the Utes on their win. Utah is trending up and the team their fans
love to hate is probably just trending, whatever that could mean. Utah has some
fine players and their program will be just fine for years to come. Not great,
but fine and that's fine by me. Questions for all readers: What
constitutes a major college program? If a school is in a conference that is
commonly referred to as a major conference, does that mean all schools in that
conference by default have major programs/teams? Does USC have a major college
basketball team? What about Butler or Gonzaga? Are they major college teams or
just major caliber?
I hate to have to agree with AZUTE, but when Utah State spanked the Trojans in
the Spectrum it was not because USC did not have athletes. It was because they
were still implementing their new system. At times they looked a little lost out
on the court. I would think that by now USC is more accustomed to their new
system and were able to put up a better fight. So congratulations to the Utes
for beating a quality team with some quality players. I hope the Utes continue
to improve the way USC has.....good luck on the rest of the season.
Utah never beats anyone good at home.
Latest Sagarin Rankings - Sagarin doesn't count non-Div 1 games#41 BYU(11-7) 14th toughest SOS#63 Utah(11-4) 327th "toughest"
SOSUtah has a chance to make a statement versus UCLA, but I suspect
that statement will be a resounding thud, or at best, another moral victory.
Whoa Nellie, thank you for your restrained comment. I would say if you jump
over to the BYU/San Francisco article and compare the number of negative
comments on this thread from BYU fans, you would see many more negative comments
from Cougar fans. Your point is well taken...USC has long been a
football powerhouse and not so in basketball. That said, USC has beaten Xavier
(currently 8-3 and several quality wins themselves) and they had some good
players. I personally think Butler and Gonzaga are two really good
teams in average conferences. WCC teams are not typically beating the
nation's best. They are 2-6 against the PAC 12 this year, with a Gonzaga
win over Washington State and a BYU win over Stanford (a quality win). Can a conference with most schools having enrollment under 10,000 and
average attendance for BYU games around 2,600 be considered a major conference?
Utah has been in every game and I think will continue to be, leading
them to win more games than they did last year. Rebuilding doesn't happen
overnight (see Steve Cleveland).Both schools should enjoy their
successes and quit trying to run down the other side.
Oh byu fans... Thanks for the good laugh this morning! Your many jealous
comments really did make me LOL!GO UTES!!!
Naah, your assessment is somewhat true, but SC looks to me a lot like the Utes
did last year; some very good players, a few other players plugging up the
leaks, with the potential for some good games, but just very inconsistent
overall. I wouldn't be surprised to see them beat a few upper-middle
conference teams, but I will be surprised if they end the season with a winning
record. That said, Utah was expected to win and took care of business. It
wasn't a breakthrough or trademark win, but it stopped the bleeding from
the road trip last week. A win tomorrow would be a very good win. Thanks for the
classy commentary, guy. Good luck to your Ags.
I love how a group of fans like to continually belittle a team that beat their
team. By 17 points no less in a public embarrassment.Priceless.
@TRUTH MACHINE"Utah played THE WEAKEST schedule in the country the
first two months of the season"That's not true at all...
they played the second weakest (I still need to figure out which team had the
worst non-conference SOS). Oh, and I'm not trying to suggest Utah is better
than BYU, even with that head-to-head win. I think the two teams are rather
comparable though Utah still has some to prove in that regard. "Utah is WINLESS on the road this season"In 3 road
games... which they lost by a combined total of 7 points. BYU just ended a four
game winless streak on the road.
Re: Scott and Lifelong RepublicanHave you ever heard of trying to
remain being relevant? Those things happened over 50 years ago. Like touting a
mytheical national championship from 1984.
Stringer BellUtah basketball hasn't been relevant in almost a
decade.---------------There was nothing
"mythical" about BYU's 1984 national championship, except in the
minds of jealous Utah fans whose team has never even come close to winning a
major college football national championship.If the standard for
being a "non-mythical" national champion is the bcs, then BYU has won as
many bcs national championships as the entire PAC 12 combined.
Dakari had big game yesterday. Good to see someone else besides JL, DW, and BT
stepping up. Hopefully that continues going forward.What a big
week, looking forward to the UCLA game!Go UTES!
Troy Town, final AP ranking in 2008 was #2 for Utah, so I'd call that
awfully close to a national championship. They were undefeated and had to beat a
team that was the consensus #1 team most of that season, who went on to win 3
national championships since. The BYU championship has and will be
debated on these boards ad nauseum. The record books show they have it, so this
Ute fan says the record books count more than the RPI rankings that Cougar fans
keep wielding on these boards like a blunt instrument.As for your
last comment, the BCS was put in place to prevent national championships by
teams whose overall body of work was not sufficient, otherwise Boise State might
just have a few national championships by now. It failed in some respects to do
that, but was a better system than the polls deciding.BYU
didn't pass muster in the BCS system in the MWC or as an Independent. Methinks you protest too much.
News flash to Cougar fans. The Utes beat you in both basketball and football.
So putting down our team only makes yours look that much worse. Not to mention
the poor sportsmanship it shows.
I love how a group of fans who are constantly beating their chests about being
in the PAC 12 define their season success by winning their first game in 8 tries
versus a WCC team.
DraperUteFanThe AP poll isn't the official bcs poll. In the
official bcs final poll, the Coaches poll, the Utes finished 4th, barely better
than BYU's 1996 Cotton Bowl winning team. In the final 2008 BCS
standings, the Utes finished 6th, no even close to qualifying for the bcs
championship game.In the final 2008 AP poll, the Utes finished a
distant 2nd. Slice it any way that helps you sleep at night, but the
Utes didn't come close to winning the 2008 national championship.------------BYU 1984, on the other hand, was the consensus
National Champion - #1 AP and Coaches.
DUF"the BCS was put in place to prevent national championships
by teams whose overall body of work was not sufficient"Then the
entire PAC 12 failed to pass muster during the bcs era, because the PAC 12 was
the only "major" conference that didn't win a single bcs national
Mormon UteBeing an ungracious winner is just has
"unsportsmanlike" as being a sore loser.As far as
head-to-head wins go, do you honestly think that Stanford fans consider Utah to
be better than the Cardinal?
To all the ute fans that have angst over byu fans posting on Utah articles; Did
it ever occur to you that Utah fans do the same on byu articles. How is it
DraperUteFanYou obviously don't understand that the AP poll has
absolutely no connection to the bcs, so your entire bcs spiel is completely
meaningless when it comes to AP national champions.The AP
didn't even care which two teams were invited to the bcs championship game.
My, the utes fans are out in force today. I think that they have a memory issue
about who won the previous 8 games in B-ball when they talk superiority. The
true test of how good the utes are will not be based on how they did in the
preseason wit the weakest schedule in the ENTORE nation, it will be how they do
in conference play. If they can be in the top 6 of the conference by the end of
the season then I will give them props for a good season. If they finish like
they have the past two years then we will have to call a spade a spade and stop
talking about rebuilding on the hill How long does it take to rebuild?
Did the Utes beat a PAC-12 USC team or a prestigious PAC -12 USC team? Perhaps
Chris B or others can advice.
killarney,The BYU win doesn't define the Ute's season.
We're not even halfway through our conference schedule yet so there is a
lot more to go that will define our season. Including a number of games agains
top 25 programs. Those are much more important to our overall success that
beating BYU. It's just funny that BYU fans jump on these articles when the
Utes win and downplay our success which only helps point out the failings of
their own team.TrollPolice,What did I say that was
ungracious? We did win the game, didn't we? That is all I pointed out
along with the fact that when you put down a team that has already beaten your
team you do in fact cast aspersions on your own team. I prefer to let the teams
decide who's better on the court or the field. It's much more simple
Y's little, You quote the AP poll for BYU then dismiss it for Utah. There
is no "distant 2nd." They were the 2nd ranked team by the AP, end of
story. Utah beat everyone on their schedule, an argument Cougar fans have been
using since time immemorial for their 1984 season. The BCS was inherently
broken, which is why it was done away with, but BYU still couldn't crack
it. Nice of you to reference the 1996 season of nearly 20 years ago.mussingaround, USC won a national championship game that was later taken away,
but they won the game nonetheless. The PAC 12 has been in the game three times
and every game was close. Elimination of the BCS will likely provide
the PAC 12 more opportunities to play for the NC than they previously had.Get all fired up if it makes you feel better, but the statement that
Utah came nowhere near a NC is not accurate. They came as close as the BCS
system would allow...which was to win every game and beat a quality SEC opponent
who won the NC the following year.
midpacmajor, for the record, Utah fans have been pointing out for years that BYU
circa 1984 would not have won a national championship using the BCS formula of
polls and computer rankings due to SOS. Some post-1984 computer rankings have
the Cougs ranked anywhere from 2-6th based on a formula comparable to the BCS.
Utah fans understand the BCS system with all its limitations, having
participated in BCS games unlike BYU. I went to both the Fiesta and Sugar Bowls,
so I think I probably know a thing or two about the BCS system. We lobbied hard
to get rid of it.The point was made that Utah did not come close to
winning a national championship, which is false. They came as close as the BCS
system would allow, which would also apply to BYU in 1984.
To those "touting" 1984 here--'84--TCU,
BSU, and Utah have been tearing it up over the last decade, but in 1984 Byu did
something none of those other "Little Big" teams have even gotten a
legitimate shot at: they finished #1.Unfortunately, Byu '84
differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single
ranked opponent. The only so-called "national champion" that
didn't (though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).Byu's
1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 D-1A
schools.And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule.They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1
Pitt in their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl--
by far the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called "national
champion."How bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the B10,
and the B10 was a horrid 12-15 against non-conference opponents and 1-5 in bowl
games. The only conference in the country that was as bad as the B10 was the
@ 11 o 12"the Ute fans are out in force". You do realize
that this article was about the University of Utah's basketball team
right?This constant ankle biting back and forth of which team is
better gets so old. This article is about Utah beating USC in basketball but
now we are discussing the validity of byu's 84 championship. Seriously
ridiculous.As for Utah, it was nice to see them bounce back from an
very poor road trip. I'm happy to see a few other guys step up and shoot
the ball. Tucker needs to be able to knock down those open looks and Brandon
Taylor finally made a few shots too. It would be nice to see Parker VanDyke be
able to find some offensive rythm as well. The Utes will need other guys to be
able to shoot otherwise teams will double either Wright or Loveridge and they
are done.The Utes have some really tough games coming up so
hopefully they can continue to get better.Go Utes!
scott:"Ever heard of Bill Russell, KC Jones, or Bill
Cartwright?"We are in 2014 and you are bringing up 1955 to make
an argument. TypicalGo Utes!!
@11 to 12"the ute fans are out in force"---------------you tell those ute fans! how dare they come on to a
utah basketball article and start posting comments!
Reasonable thinker:Does one bad deed justify another?I
wouldn't want the constant bickering there either, but since I don't
go to BYU articles. Please don't come on here and stir up trouble or try
to justify poor behavior because it might happen somewhere else.I am
very glad the D News is actively trying to clean up the boards, but it really
comes down to those of us who post being civil and mature.
@ niners:Best comment on this board. PERIOD!! It highlights how
ridiculous this whole thing has become. I'm a BYU fan through and through
but I don't think that putting down the Utes, especially after losing to
them, is in good taste. So, my comments on the game are this:A win
is a win is a win. Winning typically begets more winning. Confidence in
yourself, your coaches and your team can be fragile and winning helps keep that
confidence strong. Playing a weak OOC may not have entirely prepared he Utes
for the rigors of Pac-12 play, especially on the road, but it does help a young
team with many new faces gel and progress. If Coach K had scheduled a tougher
OOC where might his team be now. Could be shattered beyond belief. On the flip
side, the Cougars did play a tough OOC and it may have hurt them as they
struggled to open WCC play. The Cougars are also a young team. Not as many new
faces but not much in the way of Juniors and Seniors, either. In retrospect I
would wager that both schools would have like to have more moderate schedules.
DraperUteFan"There is no "distant 2nd." [in the AP
poll]"Actually there is. Ranked only #7 entering
Sugar Bowl, the Utes had absolutely no chance of overtaking Florida to finish
#1. Florida received 3 times more 1st place votes than Utah 48-16
and almost 100 more points 1606 to 1519. #3 USC, with 1 first place vote, was
closer to Utah 1519 to 1481, than Utah was to Florida.--------------"USC won a national championship game that was
later taken away, but they won the game nonetheless."No they
didn't.One of USC's key players in that game
shouldn't have even been on the field, so who cares whether the Trojans
"won" a game they didn't deserve to win. As far as official bcs
history is concerned, the game never happened, and the PAC 12 finished the bcs
era without a single bcs national championship.
AZUTE1"BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another
way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent."On October
20, 1984, BYU beat Air Force 30-25 in Colorado Springs.Air
Force(8-4) finished #24 in the Final AP poll, technically not ranked, because
only the Top 20 were ranked in 1984, but higher in the final poll than
Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which only finished #25 in
the Final AP poll. Air Force stomped Virginia Tech(8-4) 23-7 in the
Independence Bowl.-----------How bad was Michigan?Michigan was an early national championship contender themselves and
were ranked #13 until early October. If the Wolverines had beaten Ohio State in
their regular season finale, Michigan would have represented the Big Ten in the
Re: Rockwell1984 is the only time a national champion did not beat a
team ranked in the final top 25 poll.BYU has the same strategy for
2014, have you seen their football schedule? Have fun playing Savannah State,
while Utah is playing Stanford and Oregon.Have fun in basketball playing
San Francisco and Pepperdine while Utah plays #1 Arizona twice, and UCLA
tomorrow.By the way Utah also won on the court and on the field.
VegasUte"We are in 2014 and you are bringing up 1955 to make an
argument."Talk to AZUTE1. She's the won who was claiming
that BYU had just beaten an opponent that nobody had ever heard of.It's funny how Utah fans don't have any problem bragging about
Utah's 1944 NCAA tourney win, or Utah's 40's, 50's and
60's era Sweet 16s, Elite 8s, and Final Fours, but 1955 and 1984 are far
too long ago to remembered by Utah fans if it refers to history not associated
with the Utes.When does Utah's 1998 finals run become
irrelevant, because, according to the kids on the hill, Ty Detmer's 1990
Heisman Trophy and BYU's 1996 14-1 #5-ranked Cotton Bowl winning seasons
are already irrelevant?
Rockwell--"On October 20, 1984, BYU beat Air Force 30-25 in
Colorado Springs.Air Force(8-4) finished #24 in the Final AP poll,
technically not ranked, because only the Top 20 were ranked in 1984, but higher
in the final poll than Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, which
only finished #25 in the Final AP poll."AF was neither
"technically" ranked nor otherwise, period....I am curious, however, why
you don't make the comparison to our 2008 team, instead?Regarding our 2004 team, they crushed every one of their opponents and
would've done the same thing to 1984 byu, as well....The same thing goes
for our 2008 team."Michigan was an early national championship
contender themselves and were ranked #13 until early October. If the Wolverines
had beaten Ohio State in their regular season finale, Michigan would have
represented the Big Ten in the Rose Bowl."I'll re-state
myself regarding Michigan--"They finished 6th in the B10, and
the B10 was a horrid 12-15 against non-conference opponents and 1-5 in bowl
games. The only conference in the country that was as bad as the B10 was the WAC
9,231 fans? What else was going on - a gymnastics meet? Utah bball will never
compete against the Red Rocks for fans.
Like McBride said..."In the early years, I think BYU felt that
they had outgrown the conference and their people were talking about how BYU
would go to the Big 12 or the Pac-10. They used to come into the Utah game
always talking about who they would be playing in their bowl game.... When we
started beating them, they stopped talking about their bowl game." Now that we OWN them all they talk about is how WE struggle in the PAC-12.So why do we even play BYU? It's obvious, from the
posts, that scoreboard no longer matters to Cougar Nation. So lets just not
play each other and we'll just let Sagarin and RPI decide?
"So why do we even play BYU?"Because, just like the
80's, win or lose, BYU is your bowl game.
Snack PACOlympus Cove, Utah"So why do we even play
BYU?"Because, just like the 80's, win or lose, BYU is your
bowl game.-------------BYU is as much as our bowl game
as Weber State, Utah State, New Mexico (aka teams that Utah has no problem with
according to the scoreboard).Fact is Utah is 8-1 against teams like
BYU since joining the PAC-12, 41-7 since 2007. All 7 loses to ranked teams.
UteologyFact is, since U only play two games max per season against
teams like BYU and Utah St (Weber St is just as much a punching bag for BYU as
it is for Utah), beating BYU has done absolutely NOTHING for Utah except to give
U your only semblance of a bowl game for two of your three PAC 12 seasons.It's laughable that U continue to obsess about BYU, while
completely ignoring the true state of your program - perennial punching bag for
the big boys of the conference:9-18 in football10-31 in
A sweep of the PAC-12 LA teams. Job well done Utah.
UCLa isn't a good team, not sure how they are still ranked, the media tries
to hype up the Pac this year but its becoming apparent that Zona is the top dog,
the Buffs meh maybe but UCla and Oregon were frauds. My Dukies took the Bruins
behind the woodshed and I admit that they aren't all that good this year.
@ jarka-rus"its becoming apparent that Zona is the top
dog"Becoming? They've been ranked # 1 since early
December... It's been apparent for a while.