Knowing and delivering are not the same.I will believe it when I see
Next years schedule is really tough so he'll get better.
BYU needs to answer the question: What do I want to be when I grow up? And stick
with it. "No man can serve two masters." Is Taysom a
passing quarterback or a runner?He's not "dual-threat"
– that’s vanity. BYU is not fast enough and we don’t had the
personnel. True? Yet, if Taysom became an accurate drop-back and
roll-out passer, which is possible, is there any question defenses would fear
him as they did Steve Young? They know if they overplay him he's going to
run and burn the defense. It opens up the offense.We've
degenerated into three backs and no real quarterback. Then, when it's third
and a gazillion the defense just sits back, or blitzes. We are forced to pass
long, and - unlike the BYU of old - we are unprepared to do so. Please,
let's have a real pass-oriented offense next, all year. That would be bold.
Try if for one year!With our schedule, what would be the risk? At a
minimum we’d win 8 or 9 games on the low side. And what about the high?
When Anae and Hill both realize that a simple swing pass to Williams in the flat
is a much better use of his skills than trying to run him between the tackles
more than a dozen times a game, we'll see some progress in the offense. Countless times Hill didn't even look at Williams as he either
threw into coverage or was sacked as Williams was wide open in the flat.
We've all seen what he can do when he gets the ball in space.
Next years schedule of power conference teams:Texas(good one)Cal(12th of 12 in pac 12)Virginia(dead last in ACC, only 1 win against
Division 1 teams last year - byu) LOLWhat a schedule!As
for Taysom, with byu being one of the worst teams in the nation at scoring
touchdowns once in the "blue zone" Taysom has yet to prove he is anymore
more than a very average QB.
Yes! his arm, not his feet and legs, his ARM, please Mr. Harmon let him know
that. And plus if he wants to play in the next level, he better have a good
arm. Better still if he wants BYU to play in January, then he needs to
concentrate on his passing skills.
Hope that we will actually have a passing QB this season, not a running QB. Let
the RB do the running. But like the comments above, we will believe it when we
see it. I'm sick of fans saying it'll be better next year. We have
been hearing that since Jake Heaps was about to be the big thing for BYU.
"dual-threat"...'I disagree. I think a dual threat is
exactly what he is. Now, one threat may be more polished than the other, but
make no mistake, because of his arm strength and running ability, opposing teams
have to respect the deep ball was well as the run. If he can improve his
accuracy and if his receivers can get better at separation, and his line can
provide a little protection, that threat will be amplified.I
disagree with the premise that BYU HAS to have a drop back passer to be
successful. Dual threat is a very popular trend these days in NCAA football, and
many successful teams are utilizing them. I say BYU should do with the QB
whatever it takes to win. But I do agree that improving the passing game is a
must if BYU wants to improve their success in the Red Zone.
Let's be honest, with Anae running the show we will only be a decent
offense at best. The reason Young flourished after getting more consistent with
his arm, was because he had offensive coordinators who knew what they were
doing. They maximized Young's talents. What we will have is another decent
season because of a weak schedule, but will more than likely lose to a few of
the decent teams. I hope that doesn't happen. However, after many seasons
with Mendenhall I have learned to keep expectations low or else you end up
feeling like the Ute basketball fans.
I find it funny that CB is mocking our QB calling him a very average QB. Maybe
he should worry about his own teams dismal QB situation before poking fun at
I watched Dave McCann interview Taysom Hill last night on True Blue (BYUtv). My
opinion is that we have the "real deal" with Taysom. He's smart,
talented, teachable, and has a great work ethic. I think he will work hard in
the off season to develop the rhythm and trust in his receivers. I just hope
that Anae is on-board as well to help him to develop into the quarterback that
he can become. Remember, he was a Stanford recruit before his mission and then
switched to BYU. The guy will be great. Go Cougars!
DICK:You know what the problem is with this entire Taysom Hill needs
to become a better passing quarterback discussion? BYU already has a great
passing QB on its roster -- his name is Ammon Olsen, and he's a pretty
decent running QB too. Sad, sad, sad.I like Hill and his grit and
leadership qualities. And yes, the kid can REALLY run. But unless Hill can
become a much better (nee accurate, "thread-the-needle" and touch)
passer, BYU is destined to average 7--9 wins per season. Tops.Unfortunately, BYU will NEVER become an "Elite," Top 10 team with a
run-first QB. NEVER.Why? Because BYU cannot consistently land
AAAAA-speed across the board because of its Honor Code standards, which I'm
fine with. That's why a passing QB is SO important, because an elite
passing QB can overcome the speed differential had by the defenses of elite
"As he told McCann, offensive coordinator Robert Anae must also trust the
offense and fertilize it with calls that give other parts of the machinery a
chance to get involved."Taysom is echoing what many BYU fans
have said all year. It is the most significant thing Taysom said. Jake Heaps
is where he is today, on the bench at Kansas, because he didn't develop his
arm in Kansas or BYU. Hoffman was special because he could get his hands on
many balls even when the throw was not accurate. But not all received are a
Hoffman. The QB has to get better. The offensive coordinator has to be
creative and mix it up good. I have one suggestion - Practice you game plan;
then play your game plan. Go Cougars! Good luck to Hill and the team.
What I saw this year, was after Taysom would run for 40 yards, they would
immediately come back with some kind of pass play, and the ball would fall short
of the receiver... This is because the dude had just ran 40 yards, and he is
tired after that run. To immediately try and throw a long pass, or even a short
one with accuracy is pretty hard to do...you just don't have the immediate
strength to do so...give the guy a break...He has a strong arm, and with correct
coaching, will become a great passer..The coaches need to look at this throwing
form, and show him what needs to be changed in the way he releases the
Hills abilities are there. You can see them surface at times. He needs time,
after all he was only a Sophomore this year. I believe it come down to play
calling and setting Hill up for success. I can't stand to watch Anae's
play calling, especially when they are in the Blue Zone. I hate the fade route
as its a low % play and takes a special QB to throw it. Anae is also very, very
predictable. A novice can see this watching games that in certain line ups on
3rd down it will be the same play. He does not hide the offensive look and run
multiple plays from the same look. He did this in first go round at BYU also. It
makes me sick to watch his play calling. Think about what I just said and look
at there Blue Zone % and 3rd down % this year. almost last in FBS. I know that
BYU fans want to move on from the stagnate Mendenhall, I know I do, but who is
out there? Think about it! Robert Anae as BYU's next head coach. That is
where we are heading.
For a rebuilding year BYU did fine, not great, but fine. Let back off a little
bit. I think due to the teams we play and the development of the team this year
I think we will have a good shot at a 10 win season to then jump to a great
season of Hill's and William's SR year.
@Chris BYou forgot UCF, the most challenging team on BYU's
schedule unless the NFL beckons its stellar QB. USU, Boise State and Houston
all are respectable teams that can further enhance BYU's reputation with a
Poppa p,What does the honor code have to do with byu's lack of
speed?And saying "limited recruiting pool" doesn't
answer the question unless you are saying byu can't recruit quarterbacks or
linebackers or any other position as well due to the honor code?What
about the honor code specifically makes byu unable to recruit speed but can
still recruit qb?
@Poppa P:I am interested in your apparent assertion that a young man
cannot be both fast and honorable. The notion that in order to keep the BYU
honor code a young man must necessarily be slow, seems ridiculous to me.
My number 1 concern is Robert Anae. He has no resume' of success. He
refuses to be in the box where he can "see" what is going on. He seems
to have no creativity. He is very much figured out by opposing defenses. What is going to change? My second concern in with Bronco's grasp
of creating a powerful offense. I have no quarrel with his goodness, and
especially his ability to coach defense. But the offense, year in, year out,
with Bronco, is dismal. We cannot get the ball into the endzone after driving
80 yards. I keep hoping that will change, but so far, I don't
have confidence in that "really" changing.
Wow. One of the very, very few times I've actually agreed with most of a
Dick Harmon article. I find it refreshing that he's even a little critical
in the "constructive criticism" arena. Very good points made about
Hill's need to improve next year.
I don't know what you all are worried about, when you can schedule a
winning season and bowl game every year.
What BYU needs is an athletic offensive line and an offensive coach who
understands the importance of using tight ends in the passing game. Until they
do, BYU will remain a mediocre team at best.
My buddy Pappa P got it right, for the most part. All he left out is
acknowledging the coaching challenge that exists when you have both Ammon Olsen
and Taysom Hill on the same roster. Challenge, or opportunity... While BYU's every other series rotation of Heaps and Nelson was an
embarrassment beneath the level of any Pee Wee football coach, the idea of
effectively utilizing multiple weapons is still intriguing. I won't profess
to having a perfect solution for how to do that and the arguments against such a
scheme are many and valid. Nonetheless, BYU has more QB talent than nearly any
team in the West (certainly more than any team in Utah); talent that has not
been fully exploited. If Ammon was not so loyal to BYU, he would
have bolted for another school. Fortunately, he's still in Provo and will
probably stay and play the James Lark lottery. How that turns out for him
remains to be seen. In the meantime, BYU coaches need to find some way to
replicate the success of the old West Coast Offense, with or without a running
I think the inconsistency of the team overall is due to their flighty
motivation. That is partly due to coaching and partly due to their floating in
Independence la-la-land. They lack any conference standings or championships to
motivate them.I still think Independence was a bad idea.NFL teams have tried to leverage the "dual threat" quarterbacks by
executing read option schemes (taking a page from college FB).That
didn't work out too well for RGIII, Vick, and Newton.The reason
is because defenses have learned that the best way to defend against the read
option is to HIT the running QB VERY HARD, many times! QBs cannot hold up, and
many get injured.Now we have the NFL playoffs pitting the "dual
threat" read option types (Kaepernick vs Wilson) against the classic
drop-back passers (Brady vs Manning). We'll see.Try throwing a
touch pass into the corner of the endzone, or dropping a long ball into a
receiver's arms in full stride, or threading low and away to the out routes
or across the middle - after having your bell rung by an angry linebacker!I'm not seeing it with Hill.
CWEB - Good points, I would add that I don't think Anae is quick enough on
his feet to adjust and see what is happening. He is good at analyzing after
spending a few hours watching film. I don't see him being able to adjust
during games.I think it was very polite and proper for Hill to make
comments that Anae needs to open up the offense a little more. Read between the
For once you are right Dick...but in order to develop Tyson as a passer you have
to have an offensive coordinator who understands that passing is more than down
and outs to set up a running play. That was one of the things Robert Anae
didn't grasp the first time around...and I've seen very little to
speak of that indicates that there has been any improvement so far on his second
go around. Big deal...he learned how to speed up the offense and set record
numbers of plays.
Hill will be fine when BYU improves the offensive line and throws to the tight
ends again. To suggest that Hill's running ability is a liability is
Fan Comment 1: "Anae is no good" - well, lets see what he does with a
year to develop his own guys and offense. New system, new coaches last year.
Lets wait an see.Fan Comment 2: "Bronco is defensive guy and
can't coach offense". Duh. That's Anae's job.Fan
Comment 3: "BYU can't recruit speed because of honor code". Honor
code is discriminatory because it excludes party guys, thugs, and other
"normal" college kids. It does not exclude athletes on any other basis.
Can't a guy be fast and honest? Of course, the hidden thought is that the
honor code excludes black/inner city athletes. Well, you won't see 20
felons on a BYU team. But you don't at Stanford either.Here are
the facts: BYU requires kids willing to accept the Mormon culture and standards.
Period. There are a lot of good people out there who find the honor code
invasive and far beyond the normal standards for LDS members. I respect BYU
athletes for their skills and their attitudes. I respect BYUs academics and
overall quality. A kid can do worse.
Now that hill is getting married I believe his focus on football will fine tune
and we will see better qb play staying in the pocket. A second year of
familiarizing himself with the anae offense will help as well.
With that brutal schedule next year?
With the grueling schedule next year, a runner at quarterback won't matter.
@idabluWhen I say Taysom is not dual-threat the reason is not
because of his talent level but because BYU does not have the players to make
such a quarterback work. We’ve never done it well.We
don’t compete with the major D1 schools in recruiting for size, speed, or
overall talent – all required to make those dual threat offenses work. When BYU was committed to a passing offense – pass first, last,
and almost always – we generally succeeded.Ironically BYU then
became dual-threat as the pass opened up the run, as with Steve Young. Today we face the same problem Lavell faced in 1972. We can solve it the same
way, by adopting a pass-first offense along the lines of USC under Norm Chow, or
WSU under Mike Leach – both are based on the BYU offense of old.I believe if we return to this philosophy it will help offset the disadvantage
in recruiting, and will make someone like Taysom shine as he improves his
passing. But the coaches, who tend to follow current trends, really
have to commit to a passing offense.
I just happen to agree with most of the BYU haters in this article that BYU will
not be a successful program with the run-first mentality. I think most of that
comes from Anae however and not so much Hill. If BYU could figure that out they
certainly have the talent to be a successful passing team. Hill showed that he
has the passing ability multiple times this year.But the BYU haters (Utah
fans) should not throw stones. Remember the train wreck at the QB spot at the u
or should we spend some time on that topic? Yeah, I didn't think so.
I waited until after the season to post again. Glad I did. It's good to
see many posters echoing the same concerns RE: Bronco's coaching abilities.
Yes, he's a decent defensive coach but, he's the HEAD COACH!! Bottom
line: The buck stops at Coach Mendenhall's desk. I was very wary of
Anae's offensive coaching abilities and said so at the start of the season.
No need to be wary anymore. He's no good. Anae's boring,
predictable, and lacks the ability to fully utilize and develop the full talents
of some otherwise gifted players (2 examples: Hill in throwing accuracy and
"field smarts" by throwing to somebody besides a wideout, and Jamal in
catching and running via outlet & screen passes vice predictably running up
the middle into the heart of a defense). Bronco's dream is being in
the elite of CFB. My dreams: Bronco moves on to a different coaching position
where he can fully utilize his fireside officiating talents. My 2nd: GET RID
OF ANAE! Otherwise, BYU is destined to remain an 7-5 or, at best, a 8-4 team.
Unfortunately, I don't I'll realize either of them.
poppa p is wrong but christina calling him out for saying the exact same thing
christina says over and over around here is ridiculous. christina you are the
one that has said more times than I can remeber that BYU cannot recruit anything
other than "sunday school boys", cannot recruit black athletes, and
cannot compete recruiting top athletes at all. poppa p just agreed with you yet
you hypocritically tried to call him out for it. LOL!
@blue ramapgeAmmon will be announcing his transfer very soon.
Probably back to SUU so that he doesn't lose a year of eligibility. Sorry
but that is what is going to happen.
CWEB: Amen!!! As long as Robert Anae is calling the shots as OC, BYU
isn't going anywhere. He's way too predictable. And, as long as
defensive-minded Bronco is head coach, nothing will change.Chris
B/SandyClaws: The guys that have the desired speed aren't coming to BYU,
and the honor code DOES have a lot to do with it. Sure, there might be a fast
white guy with a temple recommend in his pocket, but they are few and far
between...and even they will probably enroll in a big time program with a
conference affiliation and a chance to play big boy football. As
many members as the church has in Central/South America, and throughout Europe,
you would think we could find a really good kicker and teach him to boot a
different shaped ball.
Here's what we know about the old Anae and the new Anae. The offense will
not be creative. We'll continue to run the same play time after time.
No significant adjustments will be made during the game. Hill will have to
continue to run for his life because the offensive line will largely be the same
as we had this past season. Key positions will be filled with walk-ons and BYU
will not bring in any four star players. We're headed toward another
@ChrisB & @Sandyclaws:Okay...simple question: How many players
on BYU's roster today clocked in at under 4.5 seconds in a legit 40-yard
dash test as a high school recruit? Two? Five?Okay...same question:
How many players on ANY of the rosters of any of the final Top 25 teams clocked
in at under 4.5 seconds in a legit 40-yard dash test as a high school recruit?
More than two? More than five? Exactly.Besides Taysom Hill, I'm
not sure if BYU has more than 2 or 3 players with true 4.5 speed or better.
Please understand, this is not meant as a slam on BYU or an indictment of the
university or the football program. It's merely an observation. And if
I'm wrong, so be it.But after nearly 40 years as a BYU fan,
it's simply a fact--BYU's team speed does NOT match that of most Top
25 teams. Therefore, it must find other ways to beat such teams. Accurately throwing the football is one primary way to defeat a team's
defensive speed, especially since a tightly thrown spiral can race down- or
accross-field a LOT faster than a defensive back. That's all.
Hill can't "will" himself to be a better passer. He either has or
he doesn't. So far the jury is still out. However, the clock is ticking
and he'd better start showing that he can be a consistent passer this year.
That run first business isn't going to win the big games.
y ask yif you're gonna try to make a point, at least be
correct. Cam had his BEST year as a professional this year. so your assertion
that it didn't work for them is absolutely wrong. RGIII was rookie of the
year running that offense. So, again you're wrong. Vick and RGIII were both
hurt this year for the most part. That offense also seems to be working fine for
Russel Wilson and Colin Kapearnick. So please next time actually know what
you're talking about.
Stringer Bell"That run first business isn't going to win
the big games."You need to pay closer attention to what's
actually taking place on the field. Taysom got away from the "run first
business" early in the season, but porous protection to forces him to
scramble far more than he should need to.Taysom's passing will
improve as his pocket protection improves.