Taking into account the never-to -be -revealed cost of Bowl games perhaps BYU
and it sponsor LDS church are privately rejoicing at the news. And really why
shouldn't all the sports at BYU be cancelled? Sports are not central to
the mission of education and at a subsidy of about $20,000 in tuition costs per
student perhaps the church has spent enough.
I'm stunned at the arrogance of Utah, who thought they would prance into
this major conference and do anything more than it has done. It take many many
years to transform a team to fit that demand. And you had better face the
reality Utah, you may never win a championship, or even come close. It is a
very real possibility. I must admit, however, how much I am enjoying
watching the Utah program flip-flop like a fish out of water. It does the heart
good! How many coordinators? A new Quarterback from... uh, Wyoming? A very
bright future I see!
With all the uncertainty(unlikelihood) surrounding byu and the big time bowls,
why doesn't BYU just join the Pac 12 or Big 12?Then they would
have much better access to prime time.I can't understand why
BYU doesn't join a big boy conference?
Conference affiliation or Independence: Regarding bowl possibilities - I like
our possibilities better than the alternative. (Granted all the Utes have to do
is win with what will again be a top 10 toughest schedule in 2014!)
Saying that ESPN has 8 bowls and then not naming them is SO ANNOYING!! What are
the eight bowls that have ESPN ties?Utah State has the best shot
next year at a top tier bowl. They finished the best and highest of the three
state division one programs despite losing to them. No one in the MWC is
over-powered and an auto-loss. Keaton is a known commodity and it wouldn't
be surprising to see the team just out of the pre-season rankings in excellent
position. I see them getting 10 or more wins.BYU will bowl
somewhere. They also should post a ten win season next year. If they could get
the problems fixed in the blue zone they could beat everyone on their schedule,
but I am not convinced they can until it actually happens.Utah will
have a whole new offense and QB next year. The SOS goes through the roof. The
Utes will be underdogs all but two weeks. Make a bowl, and the Coach deserves
coach of the year! I will enjoy seeing what Dres can do though.
I'm a realistic BYU fan. The chances of the Cougars having a
'phenomenal regular season' are about nil since that hasn't
happened in over 10 years and that was in a weak conference. We've won
exactly high level bowl game (Cotton) against highly ranked competition in our
entire history. BYU missed a golden opportunity during the BCS era to make its
mark and secure some "earned respect" by winning BCS bowls a la Utah,
TCU and Boise State. All three schools moved into better conferences. I guess I'm just tired of hearing about where we might or should go and
then not doing anything about it to get there. It would be better not to project
and just get 'er done.
"So where would the bowl-bound Utes end up?"It's a moot
point, since the Utes have almost no chance of qualifying for a bowl next
season.Idaho State - winFresno State - toss upat
Michigan - LOSSOregon State - toss upat UCLA - LOSSat Stanford
- LOSSArizona - LOSSSouthern Cal - LOSSat Arizona State -
LOSSOregon - LOSSWashington State - toss upat Colorado - toss
upWith seven almost guaranteed losses, the Utes will have to sweep
their toss ups and pull off at least one Stanford-like upset win just to get to
DHuberBYU's athletic program is entirely self-supporting, in
fact, BYU is one of the few schools whose program runs in the black.
I haven't heard about Coach Anae leaving BYU, so my hopes for a great
season with at least 10 wins and selection to a more prestigious of the bowls is
very unlikely. The Cougars were embarrassed in their 2013 bowl. I always hope
for great things, but my expectations the past 2 seasons have not been exceeded
even keeping them very low. Good luck to all the Utah teams. I really hope the
Utes can do enough to keep Whittingham around. I still see him as the best
coach in the state. Go Utes, Aggies, and Cougars.
ChristopherB I'm not sure if you're account is a satire of
the infamous "Chris B" (obnoxious Ute-lover), if it is then I totally
support you! If that's not the case and your question is legitimate- BYU
has to receive an invite from a big conference. Which probably wont happen in
the near future. The Big 12 makes the most sense but BYU has ESPN contract money
to consider, and conversely, the Big 12 would have to alter it's list of
criteria that schools need to meet in order to be eligible to join their
conference. As I understand it, the way the criteria is now, BYU is a long way
from meeting those expectations.
DHuber - where do you folks come from? There are a few of you that post this way
from time to time. Athletics are great for health and growth of young people,
are enjoyable for fans, and bring in revenue. On top of that, the Church views
them as a great missionary tool. How can you think for one moment BYU would
consider dropping athletics?
Here is the reality of the new bowl system. The five major conferences will vie
for the four team playoff. The any champion not getting in will fall to second
level of what was the bcs bowls and the second place teams will fill out the
rest of the second level. So by conference affiliation Utah has a shot at all
the higher bowls plus an additional eight/nine contract third level bowls. Next
Utah State, they have literally no shot of making it to the playoffs, and little
shot of any major bowl game even one or two loss big Five conference teams will
be in front of a undefeated MWC team. This year strength of schedule plays a
part in the selection process, and the MWC will have too low a SOS to be
considered. Thus the MWC has the five lesser bowls.
CWEB,Our chance of winning a title in a big time conference is a lot
better than byU's!LOL!And in case you forgot, your
chance of ever winning is 0%
Reality continued: Now BYU they have no shot at playoff or level one bowls,
little shot at level two bowls and most likely a small shot at level three. BYU
has SOS problems even in an undefeated season. They are left at the door begging
for scraps and entry to the little kids table (third level) if there is an
opening. Enjoy your independence cougars.
@Dhuber, A guy by the named of Thomas Monson supports BYU having athletic
teams. If he didn't, he(as Chairman of the Board of BYU) has the power to
do away with them. As in all things, supporting what the President of the
Church has decided is usually the way to go.
It will be interesting if and where Utah teams will go next year.I think
all 3 will be bowling with Utah probably the most unlikely to go bowling with
their schedule.CB can't understand something why is that not a
CWEB"And you had better face the reality Utah, you may never win
a championship, or even come close. It is a very real possibility."Why are you so worried about Utah? You're right though, it could take
many, many years to reach that pinnacle of success or one magical year not far
down the road. No one knows for sure. That's what makes college sports
fun. Now, CWEB, ask yourself this question...how long before byu
wins a championship? The answer is it will never happen. Why? Because byu has
no championship to play for. Where's the fun in that? Therefore...I suppose it makes perfect sense why you are so concerned with the
Teeples takes the long way around to say that if Utah and Utah State take care
of business they have legitimate bowl options... And BYU does not...BYU fans are waiting for an announcement about a currently uncertified
Christmas Bowl for a one year is six appearance? Wow... Talk about slim
pickings.And as for the implication that ESPN will help BYU into a
game that it controls or broadcasts... Good luck... Each of those
bowls are contractually tied to a conference (or another independent)... You
really think those conference are going to allow their teams that earned a spot
under those contracts to be displaced by BYU?Seems like other than
the uncertified 3rd tier Christmas Bowl, the next best option for BYU is filling
the spot for which a conference has no eligible team... Maybe...BYUs
future bowl option appear alarmingly grim...
christyPlease explain how being in the PAC 12 has improved
Utah's bowl stock.2011 - OT win over a mediocre, 56th-ranked Ga
Tech team2012 - bowl-less2013 - bowl-less2014 - likely
I believe the Dixie Rotary Bowl would be open for BYU. Everyone from Provo could
enjoy a nice stay in St George for a weekend ....and maybe BYU could possibly
even play a D1 school?? The way BYU fared this year against national teams I
doubt bowl games are something Cougar fans need worry too much about for a while
anyway. You have to actually start WINNING the games against the
Wisconsin's and NoterDame's and Washington's etc... to even be in
consideration for a remotely big bowl invite. Losing these games by an average
of 10-14 pts shows BYU is not close.
ChristopherB, your complete lack of understanding everything and anything BYU
related as well as your lack of "understanding" in general completely
explains your "I can't understand why BYU doesn't join a big boy
conference?" comment. Besides, the "big boys" in the PAC 10+2
already have thier favorite conference "boy toys".
CWEB I don't see Ute fans the same way you do. Well I see 1 but we all
know what he is about! The rest of the fans are ok!!!Utes will be
@DHuber - BYU and the LDS Church have always required the BYU sports programs to
be self-sufficient, meaning they don't subsidize sports using church funds.
Bowl or no bowl, BYU covers the cost of its sports programs and scholarships
using ticket receipts, TV revenue and booster donations, most of which come from
the football and basketball programs. Just FYI.
The plus side to being the the pac12 is that you know exactly what you have to
do to get the big time results.
@ ChrisB: I know, right? The arrogance of BYU...(roll eyes) But see, if BYU were
to join the PAC-12, then that would take all the glory away from U guys for
being the only team in the state that's part of an elite conference...and
BYU just isn't that mean. So, for now we'll let you guys
enjoy the glory for a little bit longer; we're enjoying independence, and
it's working out alright for us. We certainly appreciate the invite though,
and it's always nice to know that BYU and its fans will always have you as
a friend up on the hill; we'll take a rain-check on the invite though...may
come in handy later on ;)
Troytown,Lets recap byu's power conference teams you play in
2014TexasCal(12th of 12 in Pac 12) LOLVirginia(dead last
in ACC and they are better than you, byU is only division 1 team they beat) LOL
What this world does not need is another college bowl game. It really
doesn't matter if any of the in state schools go to a bowl.
@ D HuberThe department of education predicted the profit from BYU
athletics in 2012 to be 7.41 million dollars.
Holmoe - "we're working on something new". Translation =
independence has left us out in the cold and we are scrambling for crumbs.Go Utes!!
"Cool Cat Cosmo@ ChrisB: I know, right? The arrogance of
BYU...(roll eyes) But see, if BYU were to join the PAC-12, then that would take
all the glory away from U guys for being the only team in the state that's
part of an elite conference...and BYU just isn't that mean."All Utah has left now is membership in the PAC-12. It's like bragging
about having membership at Costco. Everyone else just rolls their collective
@CougarSunDevil, "It's like bragging about having
membership at Costco". The only thing worse than that is
cheering for a team that wants a Costco membership but whose requests have been
denied time and time again. And yes, there is an implicit request
daily from BYU to join a big conference. BYU wants to be in a big conference.
And the big conferences know it. And yet none of us are calling to
extend an invite.LOL
Man, I'm really glad that Utah made the jump to the PAC12 at the right
time. It stings going 5-7 two years in a row but I like the direction the
program is going. Bringing in a 2 time national champion head coach as a
coordinator, and now a positions coach shows how far we've come from a
lowly WAC/MWC team. Dennis Erickson would never accept a head coach offer from a
WAC/MWC conference school, yet he is a positions coach at the U. The athletic
department is building PAC12 caliber facilities, and they will pay big dividends
in the future. Criticize us all you want, but at the end of the day we are where
you wish you could be if you're a fan of another school in the state of
Utah. You can have the all the wins in Murfeesboro or Laramie you want,
we've move on to bigger and better things. Non PAC12 schools from Utah were
0-4 vs the PAC12 last year, and 0-2 vs the Utes. Good luck with trying to change
that in the future.
Over the years since ASU and UA jumped to the PAC 8 to make it the PAC 10, how
many national titles in football have these schools won? I can't think of
any, although it may have happened. Utah and Colorado joined the same club.
Even with new uniforms for every game, how many has Oregon won? I don't
seem to recall any, but it may have happened. When it comes to national titles
and the PAC 12, I just don't seem to recall too many in recent memory. The
likely candidates have always been and likely always will be USC and UCLA, but
mostly USC. Utah proved how close Stanford is to winning a title. Oregon State
and the Washington schools aren't close either. BYU with a stellar
independent line up has as good a chance as just about any team in the PAC 12.
They will all need to have near perfect seasons to get to the final four. The
SEC will likely have two spots reserved for them most years.
So really when you look at it, the BCS hasn't really gone away, it's
just been repackaged. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a
duck..then....well you know the rest. What a crock!
TroyTownAnaheim, CAThanks for your detailed, well thought out
analysis of Utah's entire season. It's fun to analyze a team's
potential as a member of a power conference, isn't it?Good luck
playing the cupcakes in 2014.
@romeisn'tburning so let me get this straight. you're bragging about
bringing in a washed up 66 year old coach as a position coach. He was out of
coaching for two years and the only reason he is a position coach is beacuse he
couldn't cut it as an OC and was demoted. But, nice spin to make a
positive.We'll take the wins in Laramie, they were obviously to hard
to come by for your new OC as he was fired by Wyoming for losing. That
sure sounds like you're headed in the right direction. The future will be
even more bleak after Whittingham is fired next season. Onward and upward, no
downward spiral more like it. Enjoy!
Correct me if I am wrong but BYU has the same chances as USU getting into a top
tier bowl game. I believe its the highest ranked NON-AQ team. just like the u
and USU take care of business and you get in.
Chris BLet's recap Utah's bowl opponents for the last two
seasons...hmmm, remarkably similar to Utah's bowl
opponents from 1965 to 1991.Obviously, not much has changed since
Utah's WAC days.-----------------Why would the PAC
12 be calling BYU, when Utah is already doing such a nifty job of fulfilling its
role as cannon fodder for the the big boys of the PAC to pad their conference
Utah can't out recruit anybody in the Pac 12 other than Colorado. Good luck
Utes. Go get em!
Let's recap BYU's 2014 schedule using the type of spin Utah fans used
in 2008at UConn - former Big East team that Utah fans used to brag
about beating - WINat Texas - Big 12 runner up - toss upVirginia -
member of the same conference as 2013 NC Florida St - WINHouston - a team
Utah has never beaten - WINUtah State - MWC division winner - WINat
Central Florida - beat Big 12 champion in the Fiesta Bowl - toss upNevada
- Colin Kaepernick's former team - WINat Boise State - another team
Utah has never beaten since they moved to FBS - toss upat Mid Tenn St -
8-5, good enough to play in a bowl - WINUNLV - a 10-loss team that shut
out Utah 0-27 - WINSavannah St - BYU's answer to Utah's steady
stream of Big Sky opponents - WINat California - a member of the
"conference of champions" - WIN2014 BYU - 9-3 almost
certain; 11-1 or 12-0 very possible
Here are the 8 bowls that ESPN owns:Texas BowlSheraton Hawaii
BowlLas Vegas BowlArmed Forces Bowl Beef O’ Brady Bowl
Compass Bowl New Mexico Bowl Famous Idaho Potato Bowl
ChristopherB, FYI BYU is a private university. They make their own rules,
including not playing on Sunday. As much as you and "pagan" love to
stir the pot about a rivalry, BYU and Utah are miles and miles apart except
for the actual miles between SLC and Provo.
So it's not called the bowl system but that's essentially what it is.
And a certain team going to the Orange bowl is seriously unlikely. It's to
big a bowl.
I don't think it is that big of a longshot to see USU as the #1 non-AQ
team. IN 2012, USU was the #2 non-AQ team (behind NIU which was curb stomped in
the Orange Bowl vs. Florida State in the Orange Bowl). A shanked FG against
Wisonsin OR a 6-3 loss to BYU was the difference between the Orange and Spud
Stang0, it's a better likelihood than SUU going to any bowl...
patriotUtah isn't even good enough to qualify for the Dixie
Rotary Bowl.Call us the first time Utah beats a PAC team with a
winning record. It hasn't happened since last century.
I have four quick points to make. One, sport is great. What other
"controlled" venue do you have the opportunity to test yourself
physically and prepare for the less controlled world of business, parenthood,
etc. Do away with sport, you might as well do away with life. Two,
Utah is too small a market for three programs. Do the math. Size of Utah: 2.9
million. Size of California 38.3 million. Number of D1 Schools in Utah: 6
(seriously, there are). California: 24. That's a ratio of 3:1 based on
comparative population. Number of D1 FBS Schools: Utah: 3 California: 7.
That's a ridiculous ratio of 6:1 based on comparative population. Three, we must consolidate to 1 FBS school in this state. See Wisconsin. 20th
in size in the nation. One FBS School. Utah, 33rd in Size 3 FBS. Washington: 13
in size. 2 FBS schools. Wake up Utah. We must consolidate. I vote
for one Football program in the State. I'm a BYU fan, but Utah has the
right conference. Imagine if you took the best players from the Aggies, BYU and
Utah. Now, we're talking.
@patriotWhat do you mean "the way BYU faired against national
teams"? Norte Dame, Wisconsin, and Washington aren't the only national
teams. I believe 8 of BYU's regular season opponents played in bowl games
and BYU won 6 of those games including Texas, Georgia Tech, Boise State, Utah
State, and Houston.
ChristopherB - BYU cannot just choose to join a conference, it must be invited.
There is a reason why BYU has not been invited into the PAC-12 or Big-12. For
the PAC-12, BYU does not meet the academic standards of the PAC-12. I am not
stating that BYU is not a great academic school (obviously it is), but all
PAC-12 members are AAU institutions and are generally regarded as major research
institutions. BYU is not regarded as a major research university. Also the
PAC-12 schedules a lot of events on Sundays. Sundays is one of the big obstacles
with the Big-12 as well. For what ever strengths people in Utah believe BYU has,
clearly the Big-12 and Pac-12 have not viewed their strengths as being worth
enough to overcome the other issues BYU brings to the table, otherwise the
invites would have been forthcoming many years ago.
@CWEB - Utah's transition to the Pac-12 has certainly been an adjustment to
be sure, though they have been unfortunate with to be plagued with many injuries
to key positions and some very closes losses. I fully expect Utah to be
competing for their division with success within a few short years at most.
Though if we are gauging success now be the tally of wins and losses, then BYU
is a pathetic case for a football team as they have not only been beat 3 times
in a row, but blown out in two of those 3 games 2 of which were on BYU'
home field to a middle sub 500 Pac-12 team. Utah is significantly closer to a
PAC-12 championship than BYU could even dream of being to there next national
championship. So I like you have enjoyed watching as BYU chokes each and every
year to a Utah team that they the the BYU players and coaching no longer believe
they can beat.
UteanymousSalt Lake City, UtahpatriotUtah
isn't even good enough to qualify for the Dixie Rotary Bowl.Call us the first time Utah beats a PAC team with a winning record. It
hasn't happened since last century.--------------Really? 10/12/2013 #10 Stanford (11-3) 24Utah 27What will alter college football drastically is if the Big 5 splits.
BYU still could end up in the Big 12 but Utah State?
"What BYU has going for it in this odd predicament is its relationship with
ESPN."And just how would that work, exactly?Take the Texas
Bowl, for example, which contractually matches the Big 10 #6 vs Big 12 #6.Sure, if those teams didn't meet eligibility, BYU could be swapped in.But if they're eligible, would ESPN swoop in and say "Sorry Big12!
We need you to step aside and forego your 1.7 million payout, so that we can put
BYU in there."That seems highly unlikely.Puffing up the
relationship with ESPN grants a sad, false hope to Cougar fans.Its not
exclusive. ESPN has contracts with other teams too.
@ Uteanymous"Call us the first time Utah beats a PAC team with a
winning record. It hasn't happened since last century."This
past October Utah beat Stanford, who finished 11-3. Not to be redundant, but
that wasn't last century.
We need to be in a Major Conference, plain and simple... A good AD would be able
to make that happen... He'd be able take the Cougars history of athletic
and financial success and parlay that into an "invite"... The fact that
this hasn't happened makes me think that Mr. Holmoe's network is not
as strong as we all thought it was, or he is not as persuasive enough with our
own BOT to engineer the needed compromises (shy of Sunday play).The
BOT claim that one of the main "drivers" of BYU's Athletic program
is "Exposure" and an "Ability to compete at the highest
levels"... Seems to me that that only happens if we gain membership in an
Elite Conference"... That would give us the ability to play for Conference
Championships, allow our Recruits a chance to play for all-conference
recognition, and it would draw the attention of the masses far better than
playing OOC games and/or Idaho State in November.We should be
willing to compromise of TV rights, show our athletic financials if requested,
and make no demands other than "No Sunday Games"... Bet you Danny Ainge
could get it done.
@Senic view..... the U was bowless but look at their SoS. BYU's was
horrible, and when they did face a real team (other than a home field fluke with
Texas), the Y was terrible. They even lost to Virginia, which was the worst of
the worst of the ACC.Now I am not being anti-BYU. I went to both
the Y and U, and like both schools. But to pretend any BYU fan should be
puffing up their chest is funny at best. The Y needs to figure out a way to
improve the program. Next years schedule is about as fluffy as they get. For
example, playing Savannah second to last game - are you kidding me? Who approved
that game?The U has a much clearer path forward. They just need to
execute. The Y - with their schedule on the other hand- even if they do
execute, will not be taken seriously playing the teams they have lined up. It
would be great for Utah for all three programs to succeed. I see the path
forward the most challenging for the Y though. No conference playoff.... no
championship slot even slightly possible.
Good luck to all the teams from Utah next season. BYU will be in a bowl, the
fans will greatly support them and everyone will be happy. Go cougars.
Every time Utah wins it is a fluke.
The playoff system is going to shut BYU out. Not because of wins / losses,
instead, they won't get into a conference. Here is what I see. There is a
growing ground swell to create 4 sixteen team mega conferences. It will be from
these conferences that the playoff teams will be decided. This will
create 64 elite football schools and 60+ other previous division 1 football
schools. While most of the time, the national championship team would come
typically from one of these schools, this new format will guarentee that it
does. For BYU, these leagues will require the potential of a sunday championship
game, which BYU will not agree to and they will say, "Great, we really
didn't want you, but now we can say we gave you a chance, and you rejected
it."So now we will have three different levels of college
football. The new national championship league, the "other formaly BCS
schools", and the formerly FCS or Division II schools.I may be
wrong, but I suspect that is what is going to happen next
@CWEB..."I must admit, however, how much I am enjoying watching the Utah
program flip-flop like a fish out of water. It does the heart good! How many
coordinators? A new Quarterback from... uh, Wyoming? A very bright future I
see!"If I were you I would enjoy watching the U to seeing how
they completley own your team...LOL@PatriotDo a little
research before you want to post something like the U hasn't beat a pac12
team with a winning record since last century....A little bit off what you said
seeing it happened just a couple months ago....By the way to you and all cougie
fans...SCOREBOARD 4 straight 9 of 12 overall domination...Cougies don't
even have basketball anymore sad time to be a cougie fan...LOL
What's really comical in all of this is, given Utah's track record 3
years (and about 10 offensive coordinators) running in the PAC 10+2 their fans
still are under some delusion that they actually have a chance to be anything in
the new playoff system. What, one in a million? So you're saying there is
I think that BYU over estimated their built in fan base. The only team that has
successfully navigated the independent ranks is Norte Dame who has a built in
fan base several times that of BYU. Penn State tried in for several years and it
cost them bowl games and a couple of national championships. While the program
may be financially OK, the players are being robbed of he national recognition
Lloyd ChristmasSalt Lake City, UT... and that one in a million
is still a better chance than BYU has. A team in no conference with a horribly
weak schedule has NO CHANCE.
The payout to schools for Bowl participation is published each year. Even the
most obscure bowl more than covers any cost to the school. They are major income
sources for the schools and their athletic programs. The successful football
program help offset the money draining programs mandated by Title Nine. This
year the National Championship bowl paid $18 million per team. The least was the
Idaho Famous Potato Bowl which paid $325 grand per team.
poyman,You know about as much as I do about BYU athletics and why or why
not they should be included in a major conference, and that knowledge is
absolutely zero. You have no idea what Tom Holmoe is allowed to pursue by those
in control of BYU so don't expose yourself with comments about what a good
AD at BYU could or should do. Perhaps your moniker should be 'Sergeant
Schultz.'Name one mediocre team from any major conference that
has as much exposure as BYU. In fact, name one team that is above average but
less than the best (best being teams such as Texas, Alabama, Ohio State,
Michigan, Oregon, etc.) from any conference that gets as much exposure as BYU.
In closing, this is the first time I have ever agreed with anything
Howard S. has ever written.
Its not the new playoff system but Bronco that alters byu's hopes of ever
being a good football team
@utahbluedevil"the U was bowless but look at their SoS.
BYU's was horrible"That witless comment invalidated
anything else you posted. BYU's SOS was certainly not "horrible",
in fact it was ranked in the 30's and was better than just about every team
that played in a bcs bowl this year. I've read your stuff enough to know
that despite your claim to being a BYU grad you are in fact a hater and use
every opportunity to show it with your comments. This last one was easily shown
to be false.
@Ducky"....despite your claim to being a BYU grad you are in
fact a hater ,,," Being a BYU grad and being a BYU hater are not mutually
exclusive. I am neither. I went to BYU but transferred and I am not a
"hater"; however, from my experiences at both the Y and the U I truly am
a Utah Man!
romeisn'tburning you said "Bringing in a 2 time national champion head
coach as a coordinator, and now a positions coach shows how far we've come
from a lowly WAC/MWC team. Dennis Erickson would never accept a head coach offer
from a WAC/MWC conference school, yet he is a positions coach at the U."Check your facts. Erickson is a former head coach at........U of Wyo..
@tinplaterYou are right. Here's the thing though, while you
are hoping to get into the Orange Bowl SUU is competing for a playoff spot to
crown a real National Champion. Do things the way the FCS does and let's
talk. The bowl system is flawed and a playoff system is the way to go.
As could have been predicted, Utah's entry into the PAC 12 foreshadowed
years of struggles, ala Arizona State and Arizona when they went to the PAC 10
as it was called then. With that in mind, Utah would be insane to
consider getting rid of coach Wittingham just because of these struggles. He is,
in my opinion, one of the great coaches in college football, and I'm a big
BYU fan. I have nothing but respect for what he has done with the Utah program.
Sunny day Utah fans need to be realistic about the future, and it isn't
bright in that conference, nor would it be for BYU!!!
Next year there will be 3 games that matter. All three local schools could be in
them as long as they schedule for it. As of now Utah will be the only one that
could or would deserve a shot based on their schedule.
@ Christine"Major" conferencesACCSECBig 10Big 12Prop 8Four are not a geographic match for
BYU. EVERYONE knows why they didn't get invited to the fifth.
To me it seems that if the "Y" takes care of business they should do OK.
I realize they are not going major bowling for the foreseeable future. It
ain't in the cards, tea leaves or what ever you look at for a sign.The "Y's" biggest problem is taking care of business,
winning football games. For some reason they lay more eggs than a duck on
steroids.I have secretly become an Aggie fan. They seem to
approach the game with some spirit and zest. The Y, not so much.Utah may overcome the problem of being located in the "fly-over"zone
and get enough D1 recruits to break even and go to a bowl game and win it.Someone said that the "Y" would never drop athletics,Ricks now
BYU-I used to have intercollegiate athletics, not now. There's enough
scandal lurking around major college athletics (IMHO) that one or two more high
profile events could give the board of trustees reason to pull the plug and drop
athletics or drop to D-II or FBS. Money and image are important.Life is more important than football, really.
"...Wyoming coach Dave Christensen coming in to run the offense...."Yeah, 'cause the national press is all buzzing about the offense
Wyoming puts on the field.Utah - No bowl in 2014, for the third
straight yearUSU - A Mediocre bowl if they have a stellar season, a lower
tier bowl if not.BYU - If they go undefeated (snicker), a former BCS bowl.
If not, they'll go bowling (better than Utah's fate), but it
won't be pretty. Maybe they limp into the Hawaii bowl...Meanwhile, the Oregon Ducks will again vie for a National Championship,
beating Stanford and Washington, who have to travel to Autzen, and taking the
PAC-12 Championship. In fact their toughest game next year might be Michigan
State in pre-season play. But did you see how they tore Texas apart in the
Alamo Bowl? I did, I was there. THAT's how you go bowling and end a
@ steve84088Erickson coached Wyoming for one year, in 1986. Since
then he has been the head man at Washington St., Miami, Seattle Seahawks, Oregon
St., San Francisco 49ers, Idaho, and Arizona St.
@woah Nellie... Based on what you have written I'd say I know a lot more
about college athletics than you do and I would be happy to compare resumes...
But let's not quibble over who knows what... Let's talk Logic and deal
with the facts that we know to be facts...1) The B12 was very
interested in having us join their conference after losing TAMU... In fact they
flew from the Executive Airport in North Dallas to meet with our people (not
sure of all of them but I hear that it included Samuelson and Holmoe along with
some Attorneys representing the BOT... We said we'd be interested with 4
reservations: No Sundays; OU and Texas had to formally agree to stay in the
League for a period certain; and we wanted Rebroadcasting rights for our games
(24 or 48hours)... They also wanted to verify that our athletic program was
financially dependent on the church.2) The B12 walked and
immediately invited TCU to send a clear message... "We were an Invitee with
similar rights as other conference members...3) A similar break down
occurred with the Big East (over TV rights)...If I am wrong, please
Part II for Nellie..."Exposure" does not mean a presence on
TV from midnight to 3AM Eastern against Idaho State, New Mexico State, Savanah
State, etc. Which are typical for our home November Schedules...
"Exposure" means playing for something in front of people who are
interested in watching the game (not just the Cougar faithful).The
church is not the only ones interested in "Exposure"... Recruits are
also very interested in "Exposure" because most of them have a dream to
play at the next level... Consequently they want to play against other top
quality recruits to test their medal and to impress... That doesn't include
November games with Idaho State, etc... If they come to BYU today they have no
chance of playing for a National Championship, heck they can't even play
for a Conference Championship let alone getting any "All Conference
Recognition"... That type of "Exposure" comes through playing in an
Elite Conference...That's why we are only seeing 3* and 2*
athletes come to BYU... We even have trouble getting young men members who are
4* and 5* committing to BYU and we really should be a no brainer for them.I blame Holmoe because he's the AD.
part III for Nellie...I'm going to give you a thumbs up because
I like your attitude...But in conclusion, a team is only going to be
as good as their players and if a team can't compete for the highest level
players then it is very unlikely that they will be able to compete on a National
stage with the very best... (having said that, I believe we have good coaches
which make up for some of that but not all of it)...So, if we are
not able to be in a conference where we compete against the best (and in the
future that is the only way that we will get games with the best due to the
Mega-Conference Movement) our talent will dwindle, people will lose interest,
and that will cause ESPN to lose interest which will leave us in possibly the
worst position possible A lowly Division I conference with a steady diet
(schedule) of non-Mega Conference teams and the only television that we will get
is BYU TV... Except for a rare game here or there (such as a bowl game)...We need to be in a Mega-Conference
@Nellie should have proof read...The last sentence in my first
response whould have read: "They also wanted to verify that our athletic
program was NOT financially dependent on the church."Point 2
should have read: "We were an Invitee that would have similar rights as
other conference members... not superior rights"...Sorry, should
have caught this stuff the first time.