Mike, how can you say USU was best team in the state? That distinction clearly
goes to Utah who beat head to head USU, Weber State, and BYU. I guess head to
head doesn't count for much.
Frankly, outside of the Rose Bowl, it was a mediocre Bowl line up for the
PAC-12. Admittedly, with the playoff starting next year, the bowl
season will be even more meaningless than it is now, but the PAC-12 bowl
affiliations are pretty lame. Three games where the opponent is required to come
from the Mt West; and two games where the opponent is required to come from the
ACC.The higher tier bowls include two match ups with the Big 12 and
of course the Rose Bowl. But only one of those games included a Top 25
opponent.Unfortunately, the PAC-12 won only one of those three
games.Surprisingly, the PAC-12 only played two ranked opponents in
their 9 bowl games and won only one of those (Fresno St.). It's not a great
bowl season when Utah State had as many bowl wins over ranked opponents as did
the entire conference.In the last year of the BCS, the PAC-12
didn't beat a single ranked BCS school in a bowl game. Improvement is
needed in both bowl affiliations and performance.
Win/loss record is a terrible way to evaluate a conference's strength. The
PAC plays a pretty weak schedule outside the Rose,meanwhile the Big Ten plays
the SEC 3 times, the champion of the PAC and the second-best team in the ACC.
In fact, they don't play any bowls against a program that's not in a
major conference. I'm not saying the Big Ten was better than the PAC this
year, I actually think they were a shade worse, but they played a MUCH more
difficult slate. It's disingenuous (at best) to simply label them the
worst conference because of their poor bowl record.
"Improvement is needed in both bowl affiliations."Already
happening.Next year, the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl will match a PAC12 team
against a Big10 team instead of against a mid-major independent.
"Improvement is needed in both bowl affiliations."PAC is also
dropping the New Mexico Bowl and moving the Kraft Bowl up since it is moving to
the new 49er stadium and getting a Big10 opponent.1. Rose/playoff2. Alamo vs B123. Holiday vs B104. Kraft vs Big105. Sun vs
ACC6. Las Vegas vs MWC7. Buffalo Wild Wings vs B12
USU lost to Utah and lost badly to BYU. But you say they are the best team in
the state. Why do they even play the games? We could just rank each
team's recruiting class and determine a national championship without ever
playing a game. Would free up more time for raking leaves, I guess.
I would prefer all BCS teams play each other. There is very little incentive or
excitement for a team that played a brutal schedule to be awarded a game against
a team that got fat on wins against weak opponents. I'm sure USC was
ecstatic to play Fresno. I'm sure Washington was pumped up to play BYU.
Vanderbilt can't be happy about playing Houston. The bigger crowds were
the games with two BCS schools involved. Non BCS schools play weak
schedules and deserve to play the best of the non BCS schools.
Wow, read all the comments about what's wrong with the bowls from fans of a
team that hasn't been bowl eligible for 2 years and hasn't won 10
conference games total in three years. That really shows relevancy doesn't
it? And scream about beating USU (who really beat themselves on a couple of
dumb penalties), running up the score on Weber State while criticizing everyone
else for their cupcake opponents, and squealing with delight about another close
victory over their former rival. Never mind the whole season of work, just
focus on those games and the fluke win over Stanford, who was not really a #5
team (#5 teams don't lose 3 times, once to an inferior conference door
mat).Very entertaining indeed.It makes one wonder what
the angst will be next year if there's yet another bowl-less season.
Thanks SoonerUte. The Holiday Bowl had a Big-12 team this year, so not sure if
the Big10 is an upgrade, especially since the Holiday Bowl gets the third pick
out of the PAC-12 but only the 4th pick out of the Big 10. That said, hopefully
it will allow the PAC-12 not to have to repeat having one of its division
winners play the 6th place team in the Big-12.The PAC-12 had two
teams in the top 5 for much of the year, yet there were ten teams in the BCS
bowls this year, and the PAC-12 got only one on those slots.The
PAC-12 may have indeed been the 2nd best conference this year but FOUR
conferences had two teams in BCS games this year and the PAC-12 wasn't one
of them. And if the 4 team playoff had started this year, the PAC-12 would have
been shut out.The SEC EXPECTS to have two teams in the playoff every
year. The only way to make sure the PAC-12 is fairly represented in the playoff
and in major bowls is to play and beat SEC teams.
More to my point, how does this happen:#10 ranked Oregon plays
unranked Texas#14 ranked ASU plays unranked Texas Tech#17 ranked
UCLA plays unranked Va Techyet similarly ranked teams from
"lesser" conferences all get HIGHER ranked opponents#12
Clemson plays #7 OSU in a BCS game#13 Oklahoma State plays #8 Missouri#19 Wisconsin plays #9 South Carolina It's impossible to
improve the reputation of a league when your best teams aren't put in a
situation where they can play and beat ranked opponents. It's frustrating.
@let's rollYou just described why it is a four team playoff
rather than an eight. With four teams, the SEC has a 50/50 chance. With eight,
they'd have a 25%, and the SEC never plays unless it can stack the deck.
@ RationalYour comment would be funnier, if it weren't so true.
Spot on my friend.
Hate to say it but Sooner Ute is right. If BYU could have gotten to 10 or 11
wins then the pac 12 matchup this year would have been intriguing. But with the
Coogs sub-par play it was agony to watch.
Utah proved they were the best in the state on the field. Also, if the PAC 12
really is the second strongest conference, we can see how they could be the best
in the state and still not qualify for a bowl game.
@toosmartforyouWow, read all the comments about what's wrong
with the bowls from fans of a team that hasn't been bowl eligible for 2
years and hasn't won 10 conference games total in three years. That really
shows relevancy doesn't it? -------------Speaking
of relevancy...BYU is 2-5 (28%) vs PAC-12 teams over same period.Utah is 9-18 (33%).Since September 29, 2007 Utah is 45-6 (88%)
against non-Big 5 league teams. All SIX loses were to ranked teams.Only people living in a fantasy world would think Utah would struggle making a
bowl playing BYU's schedule.
Because the SEC had at least 7 teams rated in the top 25 before they played any
conference games it wasn't hard for those teams to remain rated if they
lost to each other. And usually being placed in a bowl game against an opponent
that is considered an easy win for them guarantees that they can state their
superiority. Remember that #23 Georgia was beaten by unranked Nebraska and
#14 LSU only beat unranked Iowa by 1 score. # 8 South Carolina beat # 19
Wisconsin by 2 scores but might not have fared as well against #7 Ohio State.
Also Bama who was proclaimed to be the best in the Nation and the equal of an
NFL team lost to #11 Oklahoma.
I agree with Pac 12 Fan,All power conference teams should just stop
playing non power conference teams, regular season and bowl season. College
football doesn't need the smaller conferences/teams and they don't add
value. If you just look at the Pac 12's record against the MWC
and quasi-mwc byu this year of 14-1 you will see just how big of a gap there is
between the Pac 12 and the mwc. No Pac 12 team gets excited about
playing down to a lesser conference in a bowl game, and frankly its just as bad
doing so in the regular season.I think with the start of the
playoffs and there will be added pressure for strength of schedule, hopefully we
see the power conferences just cut all ties with the smaller conferences.Go UtesProud Pac 12 member!
All bowls save tonight's national championship game ARE LESSER BOWLS. Other
than the fans of the given teams playing in such and such bowl, no one will
remember what happened outside of that one game five years from now. If Chris B. has his way and the "big boys" don't schedule teams
outside of the top tier conferences Utah likely will never make a bowl again.
Utah can't get six wins without playing "lesser teams." Nothing
restrains Utah or any team from doing this except for common sense. Utah
schedules Weber state, SUU and Idaho State because they need a win, a home game
and a lower risk game for injuries. All teams do this. Its taken a great deal
of courage for Utah to schedule teams like USU, Fresno State and BYU, all teams
that have beaten Utah in the past and are capable of doing so in the future.
@ let's roll,Along with the passive aggressive diatribe
detailing the futility of PAC 12 teams in their bowl match ups, tell us again,
how did the teams in BYU's conference stack up for this bowl season....And, I suppose some of the blame for the PAC 12's line up of
"lackluster" bowl games stems from the fact Washington had to play some
team from down south.
Mike I disagree on two points that the PAC 12Is the 2nd best conference
& Utah State is theStates best. Stanford & Oregon were the onlyTeams that played ranked opponents. Texaswas drilled by BYU & was
losing its coach.Michigan State beat Stanford. USU played a lousy
one skilled player N Illinois. SEC is twice asgood as PAC 12 & Utah
best team in state.
I agree with PAC12Fan and Christopher B:"There is very little
incentive or excitement for a team that played a brutal schedule to be awarded a
game against a team that got fat on wins against weak opponents ...Non BCS
schools play weak schedules and deserve to play the best of the non BCS
schools." and, "No Pac 12 team gets excited about playing down to a
lesser conference in a bowl game"Validates what BCS conferences
said against TCU, Boise State and Utah - their so called "BCS Busts"
were exactly that - a bust. Their records since being invited, for monetary
reasons only (see the stellar Colorado record as proof), have proven how
inferior their teams and competition were at the time. College football has
changed since the mid '90's - making the more superior conferences
truly more superior. Sports as a business overall has accelerated that change -
the have's have more, and can do more with it. They only invite a few
others to their party because they can have more with their TV deals. Otherwise,
Colorado would be kicked down to the MAC where it belongs.
You realize of course that Vegas had EVERY PAC12 Bowl team favored going into
their game right?So you could actually argue (quite successfully)
that the PAC12 under performed by 3 games.The worst loss was the BCS
bell cow Stanford losing THEIR game. When your 'best' gets beaten,
it's hard to justify that your league was so tough.FWIW I
absolutely think the PAC12 is the hardest conference to play in, due to all the
different kinds of offensive systems currently used within the league...... but
to say they're the 'best' is a stretch
"The SEC EXPECTS to have two teams in the playoff every year."Yes,
that's part of what Bob Stoops calls the "SEC propaganda". I think
he made his case by beating Alabama with an OU squad that maybe shouldn't
have been in a BCS bowl.The hope for the rest of us is that the playoff
participants are decided by a committee, so rather than take FSU, Auburn,
Alabama, MSU (BCS rank), they pass on Alabama in favor of someone else."The only way to make sure the PAC-12 is fairly represented in the playoff
and in major bowls is to play and beat SEC teams."Definitely. Maybe
the Holiday or Kraft bowl should be an SEC opponent. Or get a PAC team into an
east coast bowl."#13 Oklahoma State plays #8 Missouri"Jerry Jones is beating the Fiesta Bowl in match ups. If the BCS remained, I
think the Cotton Bowl would jump the Fiesta on the elite bowl list.
UteologyBronco is 9-9 (50%) versus PAC teamsKyle is 13-21
(38%) versus PAC teamsDespite your always cherry-picked stats and
time frames, it's blatantly obvious which coach has been more competitive
against PAC teams.
@KimmyExcuse me for being a Utah fan and lifelong fan of the PAC
(having lived in Oregon, Washington and California) trying to identify how
things could be made better.It's not, but the way, by agreeing
to let the Holiday Bowl take the PAC-12 third pick and match it against the
Big-12 FIFTH pick as was the case (contractually) this year, or the Big10 FOURTH
pick as it will be starting next year.Nor by agreeing to let the
Kraft Hunger Bowl, starting next year, take the PAC-12 number 4 team and match
it against an unranked Big10 team (5th to 7th pick).Why is the
Commissioner agreeing to play lower seeded teams from other conferences?If you're ok with a bowl schedule where all 9 PAC-12 teams were
favored (e.g no upside in winning) and only Stanford had the chance to play a
ranked BCS team, great. I'm not and don't think PAC-12 teams and fans
who want to play the best competition are either.
BYU can boast that 8 of the teams on their 2013 schedule went to bowl games.
(Their combined bowl record 2 wins and 6 losses.) And how did their
"toughest schedule ever" turn out? Combined record of all opponents
(including bowls) WAS 80 WINS AND 73 LOSSES. And every opponent lost 4 or more
games. That a 53% winning record. They did play 5-6 big name opponents but
this year those opponents were not a strong as in the past.
DrTPhD, by your rationale utah was the best team in the pac because they beat
What is with you guys? My conference/ my team is better than yours? What a
discussion. My memory is longer than yours. So what?
The playoffs will expand to eight teams within five years.With five
power conferences, plus Notre Dame, and only four playoff spots available, it
will only take a couple of seasons of power conference champions being left out
of the playoffs, before fans will be screaming for the playoffs to be
expanded.How will PAC and ACC fans react when their 12-1 champions
are left on the outside looking in while Alabama, Florida, Oklahoma and Ohio St.
are playing for the national title?
ChristopherB... and what would your record be if you only played "power
conference teams"?Just because the pac is the second best
conference (1st loser), that has absolutely nothing to do with utah, you get
BYU played an ugly awful game against UW.It was a winnable game but not
the way BYUplayed. PAC 12 is no better than Big 12 or Oklahoma&
New To Utah"USU played a lousy one skilled player N
Illinois."Who was nationally ranked all year, 12 wins, #3
Heisman QB. Ya, they were pathetic huh? Where does that leave utah?I
guess utah must be the best in the pac because they beat Stanford, right? LOL
Balderdash, all the analysis from the blogger experts. Follow the money.
That's the way it is and always will be, unfortunately.
C'mon Mike. While Utah State's bowl game was entertaining and they
did beat a good team, it proved nothing about the in state status. Utah State
lost to both BYU and Utah and whil NIU was ranked all season we all know how
much subjectivity plays into the rankings.
One game does not a season make - Stanford playing in the Rose Bowl instead of
Utah is proof of that very simple concept.Final BCS rankings prove
which team was best in the state:#40 BYU#54 Utah#67 USU
@NotAnRorD,You realize that Colorado came to the PAC10 from a BCS
conference, right? Thus, your entire statement is undermined. For
those UoU fans who claim playing non-BCS teams in bowl games is a waste of time.
The 2008 Sugar Bowl Champions would like their REAL fans back.As for
who the best team in the state was? USU. Why? USU outgained and barely lost to
UoU in the first game of the season. They played BYU without Keeton. By the end
of the season USU had evolved to adapt to injuries. They would have beat a
Wilson-less UoU handily. Their offense would have matured since losing to BYU,
and their defense was much better. In the meantime, BYU's offense did not
improve, and their defense lost starters for various reasons. End of season, USU
is probably the best, but not clearly.Utah needs to win some games.
Right now, they simply rely upon the grace of the PAC12 to have any credibility.
As far as strength of schedule, well, that's what happens when you put on
the big boy pants.
The case could be made that the PAC 12 isThe 4th best conference behind
Big 12 & Big10. Stanford lost basically a home game & ASUlost to unranked TTU, & WSU lost to ColoradoState.
@pleblianNo, it further substantiates the comment. The Pro PAC group
here is claiming it as a superior conference that invited their school (yes, the
same fans who bemoaned the big schools as outsiders in 2008). Yet, Colorado had
a losing record in all 5 seasons prior to being invited to the PAC - purely for
economic reasons ... to say nothing about the quality of the program. Show me
the money, is all they said, not show me a quality program. The BCS busters from
outside the big leagues, as ironically argued here by Utah fans, validates that
those busts were truly one-off outliers that should be statistically thrown out
from the sample. They are invalid.
phoenixGilbert, AZUteologyBronco is 9-9 (50%)
versus PAC teamsKyle is 13-21 (38%) versus PAC teamsDespite
your always cherry-picked stats and time frames, it's blatantly obvious
which coach has been more competitive against PAC teams.------------------Like I keep telling you over and over again when
Utah and TCU were playing BYU's schedule they were the top 2 winningest
programs against BCS teams.It's okay if you don't get it,
I don't expect any BYU fan to understand how difficult it is to compete in
the real league. Kyle playing BYU's schedule:vs.
P12 4-3 (57%)vs. BCS 11-5 (68%)Patterson at TCU has similar
numbers prior to joining the Big 12.Bronco has a losing record vs
BCS teams:vs P12 9-9 (50%)vs BCS 11-15 (42%)BYU
doesn't have the talent to compete against Utah and TCU (0-8). Both Utah
and TCU would be ranked and competing for BCS bowls this year with BYU's
@uteology"Both Utah and TCU would be ranked and competing for
BCS bowls this year with BYU's schedule."lol
DuckhunterSLC, UT@uteology"Both Utah and TCU
would be ranked and competing for BCS bowls this year with BYU's
schedule."lol--------------We have a
Ducky siting on a Utah article? We missed you, welcome back! Just
like football, after your basketball team took a beating at Utah we thought had
lost you for the year.Not sure why your laughing, since your team is
0-8 against both teams, but the above statement is true considering:* Utah has only lost to ranked teams playing a similar schedule* TCU has
been ranked in the top 10 playing a similar scheduleSo playing your
schedule, at worst Utah 10-3 and TCU 12-1.
"With five power conferences, plus Notre Dame, and only four playoff spots
available, power conference champions being left out of the playoffs"That happens today. Tonight, the "playoff" is between then ACC
and SEC. Fans of the Big12, Big10, and PAC12 are left out, but not complaining
because they know FSU and Auburn earned their spots. If you want in, be better.
Fans get that.
@ uteology:This is an article about college football bowl games.
Hence, it is absolutely NOT "a Utah article."But, since it
references the PAC 12, U fans just assume it is a Utah article by
association.That's how it's been for three years and how
it appears it will be for the foreseeable future.
I think that the Independant conference was the best this year.
BYU is the best team in the State and one of the best nationally every year,
just ask them.
Phoenix,Your assessment about our cherry picked stats are laughable.
Bronco vs. Pac 12. Bronco usually had a bye or played a weakling before
preparing for a Pac 12 team. Also, how many top 10 team Pac 12 teams did Bronco
play. I remember a good USC team but most were not top tier programs. .500 vs .380 vs. PAC 12.Utah (in MWC) had a great record when they
played a token Pac 10 team here and there with New Mexico the week before. Try
running the gauntlet each week and see your record. If I get to play Hawaii one
week before playing Washington, we win more games against Washington. Can't
compare the two schools anymore.
True, the Utes were not in a bowl game.And BYU lost theirs. Now you are
left with grasping for the Funeral Potato Cup, bragging about being the best
team in the state.You guys just can't get over Utah being in the PAC
12, and you are not. Move along and be happy with your prearranged bowl games.
Signing those contracts two or three years in advance gives you something to go
for. Because that's all you are going to get. You poke at the Utes for
their Pac 12 play, yet since going independent BYUs record against ranked teams
is crummy.Don't worry. Your band of buddies - Idaho, New Mexico
St., and Idaho St will be there to hold your hand.
@uteologyWhat is it that makes this a "utah article"? utah
has nothing whatsoever to do with this article other than utah heped put more
teams into bowl games than other team in the naiton by supplying those teams
with wins. Last time I checked "utah", and "bowl game" have zero
correlation, utah has not gone to a bowl game in multiple years, in fact utah
has been a losing team for multiple years. so next time you comment in a thread
about teams in bowl games and try to make some sort of claim to the article
perhaps you need to actually be a fan of a team that goes to bowl games.LOL!
So getting favoritism from the BCS voters proves you are a better conference?
Yep the same tripe we've all heard spewing for years and years now. Good
riddance to the BCS! The Pac was so dominant yeah right. That's why MSU
clocked Stanford in the Rose bowl on 4th and 1. And overrated ASU got slapped
around by an unranked Texas Tech team.
@Chrissyso which team are you a bandwagoner for? Stanford or Oregon?
@WACpaddingourschedule:Awesome post, fellow Ute!
pac12! Conference! Pac 12! Conference!Man that is so much more
satisfying and fun than actually having the team I like go to a bowl game. I can
see why utah "fans" have all those pac12 stickers and try to pretend
that trying to co opt superior schools accomplishments is so great. I'm
going to go out and buy myself a pac12 sticker. Nevermind that the pac12 beat
exactly zero OOC teams of any significance this year unless you want to count
the pac12 refs cheating wisconsin out of a field goal attempt a real
"win". Man the pac12 is awesome, just being associated with it, even
though our states flagship team is an overwhelming loser in it, just makes us
all feel like we've done something, or won something, or something..... LOL!
phoenixGilbert, AZUteologyBronco is 9-9 (50%) versus PAC
teamsKyle is 13-21 (38%) versus PAC teamsDespite your always
cherry-picked stats and time frames, it's blatantly obvious which coach has
been more competitive against PAC teams.----------Ha ha
ha that may just be the most disingenuous "factoid" I've seen so
far on this board.Yes Mendenhall has a SLIGHTLY better Pac 12 record
than Whittingham. But you conveniently (or ignorantly) failed to emphasize the
fact that Utah has played more than THREE TIMES the number of games vs the Pac
12 than BYU has.That's like me saying Utah's basketball
team is better against WCC teams than BYU is this year, since:Utah
is 1-0 (1.000) vs WCC teams this yearBYU is 1-2 (.333) vs WCC teams
this yearNever mind the fact that BYU has had to play three times
the number of WCC games that Utah has.Ridiculous argument. Folly,
irrelevant and useless.
UteologyThe bowl season (with 35 bowls and 70 participating teams)
proved for the 2nd straight season that the Utes are not even good enough to be
included in the top 70 teams in the country.Tomahawk RedIt's laughable that Utah fans are so embarrassed to talk about their
dismal football program, that they're forced to desperately switch to
basketball, a sport in which the Utes have an even worse conference record than
they have in football, hard as that is to believe.
UteanymousSalt Lake City, Utah.. and yet the Utes have beat
your team 4 years in a row and 9 of the last 12.Awful courageous for
you to be commenting at all.
TomahawkYou are obviously unfamiliar with the concept that extremely
small sample size usually yields extremely inaccurate results.Dave
Rose is 31-13(71%) versus WCC teams.Larry K is 2-2(50%) versus WCC
teams.More importantly, Rose is 12-4 versus Utah and has won 11 of
the last 13.
Amen, 54-10. Amen!
Why are Utah fan even commenting on bowl season? The Utes
aren't even good enough to qualify for a bowl anymore.BYU has
won FOUR bowls in the last 5 seasons.The mighty weak Utes have only won
Ho hum, Bowl season is so irrelevant except to the fans of the two teams on the
field at the time. Absolutely nothing at stake. Until there is a playoff why
would any fan watch any game except their team?
"Bowl season has proved that SEC, Pac-12 were country's best
conferences this year"LOL!The SEC will finish the
BCS era with at least NINE BCS National Championships!The PAC will
finish the BCS era without a single BCS National Championship -- the ONLY AQ
conference never to have won a Crystal Football National Championship trophy
during the entire BCS era.BCS National ChampionshipsSEC
- NINE (or ten)Big 12 - twoACC - one (or two)Big East - oneBig Ten - onePAC 12 - NONE
Duckhunter is back, wow, we're special. I was worried about you, Duck, you
completely disappeared after Coach K taught Rose how college basketball is
played. LOL!Yep, the Pac-12 is, by far, the elite among the elite.
Perhaps this article should have waited for the just concluded National
Championship game, where a SEC team lost (gasp!). Thank GOODNESS that I
don't have to hear about how great the SEC is...at least for a couple of
months, anyhow. Congrats 'Noles on a hard-fought win!
@Steven Jarvis..."If Chris B. has his way and the "big boys"
don't schedule teams outside of the top tier conferences Utah likely will
never make a bowl again. Utah can't get six wins without playing
"lesser teams." Nothing restrains Utah or any team from doing this
except for common sense."LOL, what point are you trying to make?
The Y would have 1-2 wins max with Utah's schedule. Bronco and the cougies
are the prime example of a coach and team that can't beat anybody besides
whats expected. They only reason most cougie fans, coaches and administration is
happy with independence is so the cougies can go to the kraft fight hunger each
year or something along these lines. If the cougies were in any of the larger
conferences they would be stuck with 1-2 win seasons every year.
So Duckhunter,Yes, the team you like went to a bowl game, but in
doing so they got beat by another team from that Pac 12 Conference you just love
to put down. Ouch!
What was that again about the SEC being the most dominant best awesomest
greatest conference? Then why didn't Auburn win last night? ACC >SECNOLES !
Interesting that the conference champions of "the two best conferences"
both lost their bowl games.
jarka-rusYeah, the SEC team lost last night but I don't understand
why you are gloating. Is this like your comments about the Utes where you dream
up a game that doesn't exist to claim the Utes would lose? I'm sorry,
bro, I just don't get it.
I think it is silly that everyone on this board tries to act as if the
head-to-head record is the only thing that matters. Obviously it is a
significant part of the formula, but let's not end the conversation with
the Utes being the top team solely because of head-to-head records. Now, I am not saying that USU or BYU was better than the Utes this season, but
it is closer than many make it out to be. The fact of the matter is that it is
nearly impossible to determine who was the best team when they all played each
other so early and then so many different things happened to each team. All 3
teams were quite competitive this year and the overall state of the football
programs in Utah is improving.
"but let's not end the conversation with the Utes being the top team
solely because of head-to-head records...they all played each other so
early"How about we end the conversation with the end-of-year Sagarin
Ratings?34. Utah35. BYU41. USU
2BThe point is, Utah for all their talk, haven't be able to
walk the walk, since joining the PAC.Bronco is 9-9(50%) versus PAC
teams.Kyle is 13-21(38%) versus PAC teams.The record
speaks for itself.BYU would be far more competitive in the PAC than
the Utes have been.
@mormon uteI haven't spent much time "putting down" the
pac12, it is a good conference. I have spent a great deal of time mocking utah
"fans" that seem to think simply being in the pac12 makes utah good. But
my point about the pac12 is valid, they did not have a single top quality OOC
win this year. A couple of pac12 teams beat some good teams but none of them
beat any top teams unless you want to call what the pac12 refs did to give asu a
win over wisconsin a win over a "top" team. The pac12
didn't do anything OOC against the other top 5 conferences to show they
were superior to most of them. If I am missing something here by all means show
me those game results and I'll be more than happy to agree with you.
anti BCS--"The point is, Utah for all their talk, haven't
be able to walk the walk, since joining the PAC.Bronco is 9-9(50%)
versus PAC teams.Kyle is 13-21(38%) versus PAC teams.The
record speaks for itself.BYU would be far more competitive in the
PAC than the Utes have been."First of all, when did bm ever play
PAC-10/-12 in a back-2-back, wk-in/wk-out grind of a schedule? There's a
distinct reason our final SOS ranking is #3 and byu's is #38 and why at 5-7
we finished ranked higher by Sagarin than byu did at 8-5. This is something byu
fan just simply can't get around.Even playing against 7
different PAC-12 teams randomly, spanning 3 years, bm's merely 2-5, getting
smashed by the 3 teams over .500, twice at home, and only beating 2 teams at the
bottom of the standings. Finally, he's 0-3 against Coach KW during this
same 3-YR period-of-time.Imagine playing Oregon State/The
U/UCLA/Stanford/at Arizona/at USC/ASU/at Oregon/at WAZZU all back-2-back =
DuckhunterHighland, UTWelcome back from Tulsa. It is fun
discussing conference issues isn't it? I guess that you miss that when you
have no conference to play in.
SoonerUte"How about we end the conversation with the end-of-year
Sagarin Ratings?34. Utah35. BYU41. USU"LOL!After all of the chest-beating by Utah fans about Utah's vast
"PAC 12 superiority", the Utes only managed to finish ONE place ahead of
BYU and only seven places ahead of USU in Sagarin's final rankings.Other polls were far less impressed with the Utes:CBS
Sports#34 USU#51 BYU#71 UtahMassey#36 BYU#37 Utah#43 USUReal Time RPI#47 BYU#50 USU#70 UtahComposite of 65 Polls#34 BYU#42 USU#52
UtahBottom line: Both BYU and USU had winning records and
played in a bowl;Utah once again finished with a losing record and was
left on the outside looking in at the bowls.
AZUTE1LOL at how you slice and dice records.Despite your
spin, Bronco has won 50% of his games versus PAC 12 teams, including wins over
Oregon and Washington, teams Kyle, at only 38%, has never beaten.Unlike Kyle, with a PAC 12 South title there for the taking, Bronco WOULD NOT
have lost at home to a 10-loss team that hadn't won a road game in 4
years.One thing Bronco was consistently good at in conference play
was NEVER losing to conference bottom dwellers like New Mexico, Wyoming,
Colorado State, and UNLV.Kyle lost to every one of those teams
including a horrible 2-10 UNLV team that only beat one other team all season,
2-10 Utah State.
@54iqCan't give me a single pac12 win over a "top" team
huh? That's because there isn't one. lol
Shouldn't Ute fans focus on being the best in the PAC 12, rather than the
best in Utah? Sure, the Utes beat USU the first week of the season,
and BYU later in September. But they ended up with a losing season and out of
the bowls. If success in Utah is all you are after, then congratulations are in
order for last year.For me, I am thrilled that USU had a third
successful season! Winning their division and beating a ranked opponent in a
bowl is a great season any anyone's book!!!!
@PAC MANSo now that the Utes are ranked ahead of BYU in the Sagarin
Rankings, you quickly dismiss these rankings and look elsewhere. All that i have
heard for the last two years is how BYU is better because of the Sagarin
rankings. Now that they don't fit your agenda; you quickly look else where.
Just admit it, Utah won on the field, played a tougher schedule and were ranked
higher in the always referenced Sagarin Rankings. I know the truth hurts.
Especially when your rival had a horrible year, yet they are still a better
Spokane Ute"So now that the Utes are ranked ahead of BYU in the
Sagarin Rankings, you quickly dismiss these rankings and look elsewhere."The Utes being ranked ONE spot higher than BYU in the Sagarin Rankings
is hardly a ringing endorsement for a big boy conference school over a lowly
independent.The consensus of other legitimate polls shows that the
vast majority of pollsters still rank BYU higher than Utah.Even
Sagarin's Predictor ranking favors BYU beating Utah on a neutral field:#30 BYU#32 UtahAnd Sagarin's Pure_ELO ranking,
which is the ranking used by the BCS, ranks Utah even lower:#39
@PAC man--I'm still awaiting a direct-response to what I in
fact actually stated above in my comment?@RedWings--Thanks for your concern regarding the premier program in the state, my Alma
Mater The Mighty Utah Utes....We appreciate it!And congratulations
on usu's stellar season while playing against the #74 ranked SOS in the
nation, while beating nobody of significance other than a team in n ill which
managed to pull off 12 wins against the #116 ranked SOS in the nation....Keep in
mind, there existed only 125 FBS schools, nationally, in 2013....In contrast, we
Mighty Utah Utes played against the #3 ranked SOS in the nation and, as we work
toward completion of our transition into what was in 2013, from top-to-bottom,
the #1 toughest conference in the nation, we'll be just fine!
@sports fanI have an idea how we can settle who the better team is
let's have them play each other. Wait I forgot they already did
that and the U has won 4 straight 9 of 12 and overall domination...SCOREBOARD.
KVN came back for the sole purpose of playing his superbowl and getting a win
vs. Utah he was sent packin from his superbowl with another L and 0 - 4 for his
carreer against the U..LOL
Once again it is laughable how Utah and BYU fans bicker over what amounts to
diddly squat in the eyes of CFB fans everywhere. BYU should have been better but
failed to deliver in big games, which I'm sad to say is starting to be an
MO of Bronco and a real pain to fans like me. Utah has done nothing to impress
anyone, digressing more and more with each passing year in the PAC12 (and no,
AZUTE, the computers, polls, and bowl season show that once again the SEC was
the best conference from top to bottom in 2013). Going 4-5, then 3-6, then 2-7
in conference is not indicative of "we're making progress" or
"almost there"...to think so is ridiculous. USU has consistently made
progress over the last few years and should be proud considering where
they've come from, but the MWC was a joke this year. BYU or Utah would have
been champions in that conference considering Fresno beat BSU by a last second
single point and struggled with usu while BYU destroyed both USU and BSU, and
Utah beat them. No program has a whole lot to brag about but at least USU is
Sports Fan,How does the Sagarin predictor feel about Utah's
chances AT BYU? I suspect that it would predict that BYU would score a late
touchdown to keep the final score close, but never seriously threaten to win.
The Deseret News comment boards are the only place where winning on
the field is less important than dredging up cherry-picked "facts" to
prove which team is best. Well done folks!