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  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Dec. 28, 2013 2:19 p.m.

    This is a run-and-gun offense made up of guys who can't shoot. Recipe for disaster. If they lose to LMU today, they will NOT compete for the Conference championship.

    And while the starters continue to miss, Halford rots on the bench.

  • satch Highland, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 2:28 p.m.

    I have to wonder why BYU is not playing to their potential. Offensively they stand around a lot and take too many one on five shots. I like the uptempo game, but wonder if they focussed more on working on getting better looks more than quick looks - many out of control. Get the ball to your scorers in good places more, mainly Haws and Mika. I'd like to see Carlino taking less shots and more assists.

    Defensively BYU is soft. This is the worst part of their game.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 28, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    This team in the NCAA Tournament? Not a chance.

  • zachbrwn new york, NY
    Dec. 28, 2013 4:10 p.m.

    Wow BYU athletics had a bad couple of days..Losing to LMU and being a -6 pt favorite.
    Looks like it will be NIT again.

  • Wiseguy Payson, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    This was certainly a frustrating outing by the Cougars! Minimal effort + lack of execution = Loss. This equation is almost always the case. The team that wanted to win clearly won this one.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    Dec. 28, 2013 4:58 p.m.

    Flat would be the correct description, BYU looked just like they did against Utah. BYU had lots of chances and didn't seem to shoot well or have much energy. The only consistency lately seems to be playing slightly below the level of their competition.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 5:46 p.m.

    We lost to an inferior opponent again. It is discouraging to watch this team consistently beat themselves.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 5:56 p.m.

    Must be those darn PAC-12 refs' faults again.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 5:58 p.m.

    Mildred in Fillmore
    Salt Lake City, UT

    At what number of byU losses does byU become an inferior team? Just wondering?

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Dec. 28, 2013 6:02 p.m.

    And the answer is: Halford.

    Why he's not getting more minutes, and earlier is a complete miss by the coaching staff.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 6:06 p.m.

    @millard Fillmore maybe byu is the inferior team and the better team won today. It is funny to see how far byu has fallen. Instead of the nit you should be focusing on the cbi. After all you have no guard play. Your team can't defend. Your run and gun style of offense does not fit the athletes on your team. It was a good thing that you left the MWC you would be the door mat of the conference.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Dec. 28, 2013 6:22 p.m.

    Just like football, BYU fans have too great of expectiations for their team. After half their season, this is as good as it gets. They will win some more and lose some more. They are not a top 25 team.

  • IA Cougar West Des Moines, IA
    Dec. 28, 2013 6:24 p.m.

    After reading comments on the football team, I'm shocked that there are no cries for BYU to fire Rose. When the going gets tough, the bandwagon riders jump off in droves. This team is extremely talented. Some very tough, close losses to very good teams (UMass, Wichita State, Iowa State and Oregon) has these guys lacking confidence. They need their swagger back. Unfortunately, I'm not sure it can come back. Still rooting the guys on though. Loyal, Strong and True. As fans, we need to expect disappointments throughout the season and to go through rough patches. Our friends at Utah know the feeling well. The difference this year is the BYU schedule is loaded while the Utah schedule is a cake walk. Coach K wanted to feed the boys some easy wins to boost confidence. It's working. They smacked BYU hard. I expect the rest of the road will be rough with no post season for BYU, unless they find a way to gel as a team. So far, there are few signs of that and their confidence is severely shaken. Regardless, I'm cheering them on, every game. No bandwagon here. Go BYU.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 28, 2013 6:25 p.m.

    BYU is horrible at multiple levels and from multiple perspectives... I wish Mika wouldn't have wasted one of his years of eligibility.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Dec. 28, 2013 6:27 p.m.

    The only consolation to the last 3 losses is that they were all on the road... Problem is that the NCAA or at this rate any tourney requires road wins to progress towards the ultimate trophy. What started out as a year full of much potential and excitement has turned into a year of, ... not interested! Sports aren't important enough to have to put up with so much mediocrity. Winning obviously doesn't mean much to these boys or else they would play better. Period!

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 6:43 p.m.

    From an outsider's perspective BYU has had two major problems in the Dave Rose era. First, they can't seem to get quality wins on the road. This has been mentioned year after year as one of the reasons they don't consistently get consideration for the NCAA tournament. Second, lack of defensive effort. Dave Rose gave Jimmer Ferdette a pass on defense and the rest of the team had to pick up the slack. This year the entire team seems to be more focused on scoring than stopping their opponents. When they struggle to score their opponents have a hey day. Dave Rose needs to fix his team's defense which I think will help win more road games, if he wants to get BYU back to the Big Dance.

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 6:57 p.m.

    Must be tough knowing your season is OVER already

    Been a great sports weekend!

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 7:14 p.m.

    I listened to Dave Rose describe how his team's confidence is low. The best way out of a slump and confidence dip is tougher defense and spending hours in the gym honing the jump shot. I loved to hear how Larry Bird used to spend sometimes as much as 8 hours before games practicing his jump shot to make sure he was on. There's nothing like shooting a few thousand shots to get out of a slump.

    Free throws are pathetic for BYU. They should be one of the top free-throw shooting teams in the nation. Instead they shoot on average 65%. That is unacceptable! BYU is a poor shooting team and without shooting the ball well they are sunk.

    And…Carlino is awful. He is selfish with the basketball, should not play point, and can't hit the broad side of a barn. He, more than any of the players, need some serious gym time. What do these guys do in the off-season? They should be shooting 4 - 5 hours a day, every day (except Sunday), all summer long. Once your shot starts falling then other things open up. Carlino needs to be benched...

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Dec. 28, 2013 7:23 p.m.

    2013 has been a terrible year for BYU athletics, especially compared to the kids on the hill. I think it's fair to say the U has owned BYU this year and each of the main mens and women's sports has been a large disappointment.

  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 7:23 p.m.

    Gonna be a long season in the WCC!

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Dec. 28, 2013 7:31 p.m.

    After this week, thank goodness for the NFL and the lost appetite for basketball...

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:06 p.m.

    After this showing, I put the over/under at 19.5 regular season wins. Any NCAA hopes probably rest on series splits against GU and SMC with no other losses. Not very encouraging considering SF can light up the scoreboard and Santa Clara and Pacific have a semblance of a defense. Two quality wins coupled with possibly 9 "quality losses" and possibly 3 or 4 "bad losses" is not a promising resume. So there's an objective outsider's opinion, what do Cougar fans think?

  • Old ball coach1 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:19 p.m.

    Look at it this way.....those 8pm Espn football games vs. Idaho state are paying dividends for the rest of YBU sports....all those millions.....

    Ha ha ha ....

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:20 p.m.

    "Nobody knows" why they were able to dominate the squad from the outset--again? To me this is the most troubling thing the players or the coach could say.

    This year's Cougar squad runs and shoots. They do it well, but that's all they do. Lesser teams have figured them out: Collapse on the shooter in transition, and he still shoots, with nobody set for the offensive board, and nobody watching for/setting up for a better shot.

    I have always admired Dave Rose. But if he can't see that opponents have figured out how to take away the Cougars' game, and has no adjustment for it, where does that leave the team this year?

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:23 p.m.

    Both in football (used only half of available practice days before bowl game) and basketball, (no practices Sat to Wed. night) it appears that these guys, players and coaches, do not have the commitment to their scholarships or their representing the school. They are getting a free ride for playing the sports, but not earning it because they take time off from practice...already they don't practice on Sundays...wonder how all this compares to Utah, or other teams that are doing well? In after game interview, Dave Rose posed lots of excuses, i.e.: we are playing freshmen, (so was LMU), Collingsworth is just off his mission, (he actually outplayed every other Y player), they've been on a long road trip, etc. ad nauseam..., please Coach Rose don't make excuses, as players tend to follow your lead as head Coach in this. Tyler Haws was just awful, no excuse for such continued bad play.

  • TheNun Granstville, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:30 p.m.

    Big J and Crow,

    LOL, both of you need to look up the meaning of sarcasm, because clearly Mildred knows what it means.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:41 p.m.

    Down by 15 points at halftime.

    This is beginning to look like a .500 team.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:45 p.m.

    WA_Alum&Dad

    "I have always admired Dave Rose. But if he can't see that opponents have figured out how to take away the Cougars' game, and has no adjustment for it, where does that leave the team this year?"

    You just nailed it. Case in point ... Utah coaches told the players to simply take away Haws' right hand, and right hand dribble, knowing that he has absolutely no left hand game. Without Haws involved in the game BYU struggled yet Rose just kept letting the guys try to run and gun without any significant changes.

    I like Dave Rose as well but I've constantly told my BYU friends that the basketball team will continue to have ups and downs with the downs usually coming tournament time so long as Dave Rose continues to go with his run and gun, no coaching offense. And he better also get his guys learning how to play some man to man defense with a good understanding of team help defense.

  • oaklandaforlife SLC, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:46 p.m.

    This third loss in a row has to really sting to the "Y" faithful. This weekend has to spell problems overall in their programs. The assumption for those who watched the game today came away with what was already known. The "Y" is chuck full of get "MY" points now and see what happens. Am I wrong? Didn't think so. The best guess after watching the beat down today would be a fourth or fifth place finish in a very, very weak WCC. Recruits should be paying attention.

  • MurrayMike Murray, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 9:35 p.m.

    Tell you, Carlino needs to be benched in favor of Frank Bartley. Shooting 37% FG and 26% from 3 point range? My 11 year old grandson can hit better from the field. Put Collinsworth at the point, Bartley at no.2 guard or visa versa.....wake up Coach Rose and smell the roses......

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 9:40 p.m.

    Who's hurting whose RPI now?
    LMU RPI=182

  • Monk Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 9:42 p.m.

    Dangerously close to .500 in January is not a good sign for tournament hopes. The conference tournament may be the only shot for this team. Too many bad losses. The game plan is not jiving with the team well. The players are not making plays when it counts. They are not making free throws. They are not defending. The pace is often border-line frantic and they are not deep enough for the entire team to handle it. Haws, Collinsworth, and Mika are stellar. Carlino is streaky and not reliable. Skyler Halford is a nice surprise. The majority of the rest of the team are debatable as to whether or not they should be D1 players.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 9:48 p.m.

    Call me a fair weather fan but I am getting disgusted with BYU sports... Both the football and basketball teams never play well in big games. They act indifferent when big opportunities arrive and don't get me started on the losses to Utah... It is becoming more and more difficult to be around my Utah friends. I'm just about done.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 9:50 p.m.

    Maybe playing in the WAC and MWC was the reason BYU and Utah looked so good in the past. BYU can't hang with athletic teams in any sport while Utah is learning how to run the gauntlet as they recruit better athletes.

    If you look at the bowl results, the BCS teams are winning most of the games. The BCS conference teams win the majority of basketball games as well.

    The gap will continue to widen within athletics as the best athletes want to play against the best schools. BYU is a great school but thousands of fans will continue to be disappointed if they feel their school should consistently compete with big conferences. The kids that want the BYU experience will go to BYU. The kids (including LDS kids) that want to play at the highest levels will not go to BYU.

  • BigE Ammon, ID
    Dec. 28, 2013 9:56 p.m.

    Is it just me, or will there ever be some guard play coaching done here. After watching several games where every guard on the team drives the lane creating a 1 on 2 or 1 on 3 situation and then throws up a wild shot instead of hitting a wide open shooter, I have to wonder what is going on over at the bench. I understand trying to create pressure and foul trouble for the opponent but this team cannot hit an effective rate of free throws. Appears to be lots of available talent with no team play. Frustrated in Idaho.

  • Cougarbaseball Rifle, CO
    Dec. 28, 2013 10:04 p.m.

    We went right back to the same selfish play that has killed this team all year. Everyone on the team wants to shoot the first shot instead of the best shot. I understand and love up-tempo, fast break offense because it usually creates some easy shots. But when the break isn't there how about working for some good shots like a kick out to open outside shooters instead of our guards forcing up shots on drives with three defenders on them. Also it would be nice if our players could catch and hold onto passes instead of always losing control of the ball and turning it over.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 10:15 p.m.

    All together, now. How do you spell "N....I....T"

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 28, 2013 10:26 p.m.

    @big12,

    I know how you must feel now, being left out of the Bowl Season for two years, not making post season play in Basketball for five years or so... It kind of stinks, but we've had a good run and we will be back very soon.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 10:39 p.m.

    Choose the Red. There is room for everyone.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 28, 2013 10:48 p.m.

    If we are going to run a fast paced offence, Carlino is going to have to run the point and you got to let him push it... Collinsworth is too slow and is just as TO prone as Carlino... Haws is our only consistent shooter and when he gets shut down Carlino and especially Collinsworth feel like they have to takeover and usually try to take the ball to the rim through 3 guys.

    We need a half Court Offense... more "inside out" ... The Bigs need to get a touch on each possession to collapse the Defense and then kick it out... and, we need another outside shooter... as Collinsworth can't hit with any consistency from the outside...

    Maybe work Collinsworth and Austin at the High Post and let Austin run the wings occasionally (he has a better outside shot than Collinsworth) and it would allow us to have the three Bigs on the floor for Defense...

    Speaking of Defense, We are not doing very well with the 2-3 zone... We need to shake it up some with a 1-3-1 or a triangle and one if an opposing player gets hot... And, we need better perimeter pressure.

  • FanofBYU American Fork, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 11:00 p.m.

    Like the football team, the fast paced offense is not working for the cougs. Rushing down court, making one pass and then shooting or just pushing down into much larger players and hoping for a foul is not a recipe for success. Like the football team there does not appear to be any type of scheme to their offense.

    Our guards demonstrated their lack of speed on defense, which made the whole team vulnerable. Like Hill, Collinsworth plays really hard but he makes seriously bone headed decisions. There is a lack of discipline to this team. I have never seen a BYU Basketball team shoot so poorly from the free throw line. Are they practicing free throws? Just wondering because whatever they are doing, it's not working.

  • krux scottsdale, AZ
    Dec. 29, 2013 12:52 a.m.

    I am surprised that no one on here wonders why BYU plays less than no defense? The guards dont and cant guard anyone.

    BYU has no point guard. Carlino is now playing at the "2". He has the worst shooting % on the team. He CANT shoot. Never has been able to.

  • krux scottsdale, AZ
    Dec. 29, 2013 12:59 a.m.

    Just read more comments. Austin is not close to a D-1 big man, Bad, bad footwork........and when you have guards that play the "ole" style of defense, he has no chance to stay out of foul trouble.

    Why does Rose get a pass. He coaches NO defense. Cant beat good teams. Wins 20 games against cup cakes.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Dec. 29, 2013 1:44 a.m.

    With the performance of 6 games is there anyone gunning for an NCAA birth? There is nothing fun about a 12 or worse seed or the prospects of one and done regardless of seed... Something needs to happen down south and fast! When we look back on the season we will look at Maples Pavilion and wonder what the heck happened the next 12 weeks?

  • defibman Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 5:33 a.m.

    Really ute fans? U talking about how bad BYU is after your football team hasn't been to a bowl game in two years and looks like it will be several years before they will even smell a chance again, plus after your basketball team has won the majority of their games against unknowns and unheard of teams! And after a couple of years of players running out the door to other schools due to so many problems at the school and on the team.

    Stop with pretending! It is not as if u are going to the big dance and / or the nit anytime soon!

  • Cougar Observer Draper, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    The team doesn't pass the ball well, doesn't shoot it well and cannot play defense. Whatever happened to Rose's plan to play more man defense this season. Oh yeah, they've been torched by quick guards every time they try playing man.

    To salvage whatever they can out of this season, I'd maximize the touches and shots for Haws and Mika. A good point guard who can distribute the ball and is not a defensive liability would do wonders for this team.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 29, 2013 7:59 a.m.

    I didn't see that coming. I really thought BYU had a great shot at winning the WCC as this is a down year for Gonzaga. I don't see BYU winning the WCC, not so sure that St. Mary's isn't the best team in the WCC. We shall see.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    Carlina is 81 for 216 (37%), shoots 28% from 3 point land and is a consistent 70% free throw shooter.

    Why does coach let him touch the ball? Why is he even on the floor? He shot 13 times last night.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    Brings to mind the theoretical question - If a tree (BYU) falls in the forest (Gersten Pavilion) and no one is around (2,908) to hear (see) it, does it make a sound (difference)?

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    defibman,

    We Ute fans weren't the ones with the goal of an at large bid in the NCAA tournament and our team did beat yours. So no matter how you want to spin our weak schedule, we have bragging rights in both football and basketball.

  • Th Tooele, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 11:30 a.m.

    You don't know why you had a bad start? Maybe because the opponent took your transition and threw it in your face taking away any offensive capability you might have.

    Maybe the captains should approach Rose and demand implementing a half court offense! If the run n gun isn't there, then Haws, or Carlino throws up a wild shot. BYUs season isn't over. They need to learn to play D, and move Carlino to the bench to play 10-20 minutes a night depending on how he's shooting.

    As for you coug's digging into Utah's football / basketball. Don't be ignorant! You who can see the vast improvement in both sports. Utah basketball is much improved and will only get better. Coach K is getting the best in state talent at this point. Chapman coming next year is huge. As for football! Who cares! This is a basketball article.

    Utah hoops is very close! They'll hand Oregon their first loss this week. Utah will surprise many in the PAC12 this year on their way to the post season. Good luck to both teams as they move forward in their seasons.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    Dec. 29, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    Go fast go hard didn't work in football and so far it's a disaster in basketball. Someone had better go back to the drawing board, slow things down, learn to make a free throw, play defense and get back to basics. Jimmer's isn't around to bail you out and keep you in the game.

  • mdp Bountiful, utah
    Dec. 29, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    I saw a lot of BYU scuds (unguided missiles) and very few assists with poor defense- in other words, lousy team play. Its going to be a long year until the Cougs learn to share the ball.

  • jazzer St. George, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    Make some foul shots and you might be close to winning some games. Yikes

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 2:32 p.m.

    @defibman score board must hurt that you're team was picked second in a very weak conference and they are already in the cellar bottom dwellers of the wcc. Don't worry about Utah all we need is depth in football. We already have a top defense and if Christensen can replicate his Missouri offense at Utah they will be in s top bowl not the hunger bowl. Utah will finish third this year in basketball they have the offend and most importantly they play defense.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Dec. 29, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    I'm sitting here shaking my head because I have no clue what happened. It wasn't long ago that it seemed most fans thought they were NCAA material despite tough road losses to ranked opponents due to the perceived strength of their OOC schedule. Here are just two of possible reasons I can think of:

    1. The unexpected loss to Utah has completely rattled and demoralized their egos that their confidence is shot to pieces.

    2. They listened to too many arrogant fans who sang their praises that their heads became too big and they started thinking they were better than what they are.

    And to be frank, I for one fell for that and actually thought they were NCAA material. Now I'm not even sure if they'll make the NIT. Such an epic disappointment!

    Even so, I'm still rooting for them hard! Go Cougars!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 3:40 p.m.

    Interesting to see how many Ute fans are here showing their "concern" for BYU sports on BYU articles.

    For those concerned with Mildred's comments, please keep in mind that he's really just a Ute fan who always uses sarcasm to get his laughs to rile real Y fans.

  • aubrey1 orem, utah
    Dec. 29, 2013 6:11 p.m.

    Collinsworth shoots too much, often forcing shots. Making the extra pass would get true shooters like Haws open.

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 7:00 p.m.

    @ Big 12 Call Yet?

    Why would BYU want to be part of the PAC 12?
    We are Independent because we have the fan base, unlike Utah.
    Enjoy being the basement!, and oh ya, you guys are in the Pac 12!! YAAY!

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 7:02 a.m.

    BYU plays no defense whatsoever, every legit team that they have played, has torched them. what are they thinking??

  • Darth Vader Ogden, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 7:05 a.m.

    @ Rico

    Don't look now but someone is in the WCC basement.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 30, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    At Tatars

    Why interesting? BYU fans flock to Utah threads.. I follow BYU , and comment whether they win or lose.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    Uncle Rico

    "Why would BYU want to be part of the PAC 12?"

    I agree, why would BYU want to be in the PAC 12 when they can't even finish in the top 2 of the WCC?

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 30, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    @motorbike
    You act like the Utes would finish in the top 2 of the WCC