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  • 93 COUGAR Orem, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 7:11 p.m.

    Go Cougars!

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 9:13 p.m.

    Too bad Washington has scored 2 TDs because Sorensen can't kick it out of the endzone on kickoffs.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 9:13 p.m.

    BYU is obviously the better team. If we don't beat ourselves we'll win.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 9:21 p.m.

    What a game. Hill does it all. And that may be BYUs weakness.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Dec. 27, 2013 9:52 p.m.

    Apo, and the tight ends, no where to be found. Tackling, is also AWOL. This could get real ugly, real fast.

  • perfidemintrepidus Riverton, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:00 p.m.

    Why on earth is Hoffman throwing the ball on a critical 3rd quarter drive?! Hello! Wake up coaches!

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:20 p.m.

    Down 2 touchdowns 4th quarter, little momentum, 4th and 3 at 42. Of course, we punt.

    Lots of running calls despite being down 2 touchdowns, dropped passes, poor throws, missed tackled, poor special teams play.

    BYU is a head case. It's been the same in many of the big games this year.

    We do kick some nice field goals in the red zone.

    And we do run up a lot of yards on our opponents, and set statistical records - not with the final scores, though.

    It's a mental thing.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:25 p.m.

    Commentator says Washington has no respect for the "speed" of byu. Funniest thing I have heard all day

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:26 p.m.

    It is ridiculous for a team to be out gaining the opposition by over 100 yards, be winning the turn over battle as well, but be losing by 12 points. 4 times settling for field goals instead of touchdowns, and missing one of those to boot...typical of BYU all year long.

    Hill is an amazing athlete, but when your quarterback has more carries than the rest of the team combined, there is a huge problem.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:26 p.m.

    Anae has got to go.
    This is just scatter-brained offensive football.

  • perfidemintrepidus Riverton, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:30 p.m.

    I guess UW is not worried about losing, even with a 2-score difference as their freshman QB is in the game trying to throw the ball and finally earned himself a first down conversion. This could not be more pathetic performance on offense and special teams. What do we do when we are down 12 points? Run up the middle! What if that doesn't work? Run up the middle faster so we can...PUNT! And then our punter is only able to muster 30 yards? What happened to the TE play? What about trying to be more creative with the play calling? What happened to proper execution? Hope these guys did well on their final exams because they certainly did not prepare very well for this game.

  • perfidemintrepidus Riverton, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:34 p.m.

    It is really difficult to figure out what is going on when trying to follow the game online...a very frustrating experience indeed! ESPN updates with "Hoffman passes incomplete to Hoffman" and I just am utterly confused. I wish the seniors well in their future endeavors! Hoffman and Van Noy will be great to watch in the NFL!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:43 p.m.

    With a terrible punting game, and having gone for it on 4th and 2 earlier from our own 20, why on earth would we not again go for it on 4th and 2 from midfield in the 4th quarter and down by 2 scores? Then we get another terrible punt... 8 yards.

    Without question, it was 1) terrible special teams play, and 2) bad play calling that cost us this game. Another shoulda, coulda, woulda game for BYU.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:42 p.m.

    BYU gets Pac-12ed.

    0-2 vs Pac-12 this year (lost to a 5-4 Wash and 2-7 Utah team)

  • youtefan Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:42 p.m.

    These PAC 12 teams are tough!!

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:49 p.m.

    BYU football just kind of reminds me of Carlton on the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. They dress well. They speak well. But they are hard to take seriously as a big time football program. They also need to lose the gimmicks like the three-point stance on the sideline and all the slogans.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:49 p.m.

    We proved tonight that if we were in the PAC 12 we would win it.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:50 p.m.

    It almost seems like Taysom is the only offensive player who really wants to win. There are way too many dropped passes and holding calls. Next year should be better, but BYU was not prepared for this game.

  • Northwest Reader Vancouver, WA
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:53 p.m.

    Hill is amazing. He needs a lot more help though.

  • Tilka PORTLAND, OR
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:53 p.m.

    Most everyone complained about Bronco's cavalier attitude about game preparation. Looks like the fans know better than the coaches. If you have 15 allowed practices and you take 6 you can expect to be rusty, drop passes, not be able to cover kickoffs, and generally look too tired to get after their quarterback.

    I've been an athlete. I know that I can get out of shape in 1 week and it takes two to get back in shape. If they took off two weeks, the got out of shape and rusty. Shame on the coaches.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:59 p.m.

    Every game someone on the team commits at least one bone headed play.

    When the Cougs got an interception, one of the defensive players whose last name begins with "K" hit a UW player after the play was essentially over. It costs the team a legitimate shot at a TD.

    Then, there's a QB whose last name begins with "H" who missed three open receivers who, had they caught the ball, probably would have scored.

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:01 p.m.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Taysom Hill can never and will never be a "great" quarterback - just a so so... And so as long as he's the quarterback at BYU, BYU will never be a BCS team or football powerhouse. It will just remain a mediocre program. Unless Bronco finds a quarterback and move Hill to running back where he can all he wants. And if it's Anane the one calling all the quarterback keep plays then he needs to go too - again. Texas was an exception but Anae and Taysom still think it was the template for the year. Sorry!!

  • satch Highland, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:06 p.m.

    Strange game. Coaching preparation was bad for BYU. Just looked confused at times. C-

    Defense looked bad. Not the same toughness that USU showed last night. (Finishing tackles). C-

    Special teams (kick-off's, punting) horrible. Just absolutely horrible. F

    Offense can move the ball but we need better protection. We need more than Hoffman catching the ball. B-

  • starthillnotnelson Kamas/United States, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:07 p.m.

    Taysom and Cody were the only ones who actually played on offense. Van Noy the only one who could tackle. Craig Bills is a horrible tackler.
    I will miss Van Noy and Hoffman. I think losing Falslev will be a bigger blow than some think. Sorensen was our only good secondary player. Trammell and Johnson will return so that will help out our defense. I think that Fua will carry our defense. I will not miss Justin Sorensen, though...

  • starthillnotnelson Kamas/United States, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:10 p.m.

    Our line was horrible, Arellano was horrible, Sorensen was only 3 for 4, and our kick coverage was horrible. There needs to be a lot of shaping up this off season.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:11 p.m.

    8-5 is disappointing. It might not be if this schedule was as good as it was hyped to be.

    Right now there is 1 team in the top 25 BCS rankings that BYU played this season (Wisconsin), if they lose to South Carolina, they'll be out.
    Beat Texas, but lost to Utah and Virginia.
    Disappointing year for BYU, beat Texas, but other than that not much to talk about.

  • starthillnotnelson Kamas/United States, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:14 p.m.

    Pavlova
    Maybe Apo didn't play well because he was injured...hint hint hint

  • Brad E. HERRIMAN, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:16 p.m.

    BYU needs better recruits to compete against the PAC-12. Washington didn't even have their head coach and they still made beating BYU look easy. I was impressed with the BYU teams 3 point stance when running on the field together. Greg Wrubell calling the "red zone" the "blue zone" is also creative. Some good take always I suppose.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:18 p.m.

    BYU football of old knew how to score in the Red Zone. ('Blue Zone' is another gimmick they need to drop.) BYU will never move any higher than they are right now until they find someone who can help them score TDs instead of FGs.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:19 p.m.

    What a frustrating game. Holy cow. Ugh. I hope that the team can do better next year. Of course that is how I have felt at the end of the last 3 seasons. Go Cougars!

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:26 p.m.

    BYU's offense is good against the WAC, but against good teams they are horrible. In 5 losses scored 17 points or less.

    Their defense is good. Maybe Bronco can take demotion to D coordinator. Need a head coach who will use practice and wants to win. Anae needs to go.

  • TamaBYU Provo, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:31 p.m.

    Time for a change. We have talented players just need someone that can coach them.

  • Yooper Houghton, MI
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:38 p.m.

    Healthy Taysom ... Senior Hoffman ... Senior Van Noy ... 8-5 record ... our most disappointing season in recent memory.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:48 p.m.

    Big surprise, BYU plays a good team on the offensive and defensive lines and loses. Special teams were a joke and defense did not look good tonight. Bottom line, however...BYU doesn't have the athletes to compete with talented teams like Washington. Same for Utah, that's why Utah has been blown out every time they've played the Huskies...can't compete with the athletes UW gets. Petersen should do very well with what looks like a full cupboard in Seattle. Congrats UW, you were simply the better team, period.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:56 p.m.

    We just lost to a middle of the road PAC 12 team with no coach. Defense played reasonably well but the offense is bad and the special teams are not so special.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:59 p.m.

    To those critical of Hill running the ball:
    Uhh, it was Hill's rushing that kept BYU even remotely in the game. But it is true there were wide open receivers who were missed and several dropped passes in critical situations. But Hill and Hoffman played their hearts out for the win. But it just wasn't good enough. This game was a reflection of their woes of the whole year: inability to put 2 halves together, dropped passes, inability to cash in on good opportunities, poor Red Zone efficiency, slow and terrible o-line play, and questionable play calling. Then add on that exceptionally poor special teams play and you have a loss.

    I thought the team looked tired and out of energy and unprepared. Taking only 6 practices for a bowl game?
    Bottom line: this is not an overachieving team. Many players on this team can make great plays on occasion, but there are very few that can be relied on to play consistent good football. I was glad to see Hoffman have his best game of the year, though.
    Continued....

  • International Cougar Fan Tacoma, WA
    Dec. 28, 2013 12:02 a.m.

    I love how the Utes are 0-8 against Washington but now feel like they can rub it in. Guess what BYU has thumped UW 4 times and you have not. Utes can't even beat Boise State from the WAC/MWC? How terrible is that?

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 28, 2013 12:05 a.m.

    To win this game BYU needed to play relatively error free, smart football. I have come to the realization that this team just doesn't have enough talent (both on the field and on the sideline) to accomplish that.

  • BCSDreamers Utha, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 12:09 a.m.

    I keep listening to Bronco. It's all the same garbage. BYU will never be in a BCS game as long as he is the head coach. Bronco has to go! Let me say it again. Bronco has to go! BYU is a middle of the pack team. They will never be a better team as long as Bronco is there. 8-5 record forever!

  • oaklandaforlife SLC, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 12:13 a.m.

    For gosh sakes, the PAC-12 is good from top to bottom. BYU can't beat ANY of them.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 12:17 a.m.

    It's interesting reading all of the rude comments by byu fans toward Utah's program in the comment section on the article on Utah's Jake Murphy going pro. I would think that, based on your team's poor performance in tonight's game against an average 5-4 (in PAC 12 conference play) Washington team, as well as your team continually coming up short against all decent teams (such as Notre Dame, Utah, and Wisconsin), that you guys might be forced to show a little humility.

    Wishful thinking.

  • ArgoFY Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 28, 2013 12:26 a.m.

    3 takeaways from tonight's game:

    1-Speed kills
    2-UW's second stringers are better than byu's first stringers
    3-byu was literally and figuratively out of its league

    It's laughable that byu and its fans think they would be competitive in an AQ conference. Good luck with the pasty schedule next year.

  • BYUfaninWashSt Everett, WA
    Dec. 28, 2013 12:25 a.m.

    The season is over with 8-5 record. Bronco said the season is a success regardless of whether BYU wins or loses the bowl game. Doesn't feel like a successful season to me. Better preparation, more practices and better passing strategy, instead of Business As Usual coaching attitudes, might have helped make a difference.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 28, 2013 1:23 a.m.

    byu averaged 4.87 y/play & uw averaged 5.67 y/play.

    The reality is, byu would've gone winless playing against The U's PAC-12 schedule, particularly w/the back-to-back aspect of it. The U was ultra-competitive in virtually every loss, but byu would've gotten absolutely brutally curb-stomped.

    byu is now 2-5 in random games played against PAC-12 teams, only beating 2 teams at the bottom of the standings and smashed by the only 3 teams finishing w/a winning record. They're 0-3 against The U.

  • Cosmo's Cousin Holladay, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 1:34 a.m.

    The refs rigged the game by not calling hold after hold on Washington. I'm so mad right now because the better team lost thanks to the officials.

  • Cougar Blue 1 Henderson , NV
    Dec. 28, 2013 1:58 a.m.

    BYU football has accepts field goals instead of touchdowns, just like the BBall team accepts missed free throws instead of made ones. Both end up costing us the game.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 28, 2013 2:03 a.m.

    No - BYU doesn't need to practice special teams,
    No - BYU doesn't need to practice red-zone offense,
    No - BYU doesn't need to practice 2nd-half offense,
    No - BYU receivers don't need to practice,
    No - BYU offensive line doesn't need to practice.
    Practice will just make you tired.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 28, 2013 2:43 a.m.

    Love the Bowl atmosphere... Glad we got to play UDub... Unfortunately, their players were faster and more skilled than ours and their Offensive planning and execution was better...

    We had the same problems that we always have...

    . Can't finish in the Red Zone.

    . Our Receivers can't get separation off the line and when they do, we either can't get the ball to them or they drop it. (Except Hoffman).

    . Our OL couldn't keep a gaggle of Grandmothers out of the pocket.

    . Our DBs can't keep up with Opposing Receivers.

    . Our Special Teams are horrible... Can't kick the ball deep because we can't cover??? Please... our PK was decent tonight (for a change) but our Punter had a horrible game.

    . And we need a stronger OC... The Offense is boring, predictable and totally ineffective.

    . I love reading about all of the moral accomplishments of our Coaching Staff but this "Business as Usual" stuff has got to stop... I would really like to see "winning" moved up the priority list.

    As for ute fans that want to pile on??? You have nothing to crow about... The Cougs have at least beaten the Huskies before.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Dec. 28, 2013 4:36 a.m.

    First of all: Mildred, You are a hoot!

    As for the practices, that is one of the most coveted benefits of being in a bowl game. Teams love those extra practices. This is what is hurting Utah the most from not being in bowl games. It puts them a step behind going into the next season. Why a coach would deliberately skip those practices is really puzzling and must have other coaches scratching their heads.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Dec. 28, 2013 6:11 a.m.

    The final score is precisely the reason why I hate boneheaded predictions by some arrogant fans. It was a difficult game to watch. Costly mistakes by the special team, uninspired play and poor execution on both sides of the ball spelled our doom. Once again, we'll have to wait till next year! And with Van Noy and Hoffman gone, I'm wondering if we'll be any better!

    Go Cougars!

  • Jim Holmes Ventura, CA
    Dec. 28, 2013 6:56 a.m.

    Delusions of Grandeur has BYU convincing themselves they are a top program. They are OK but mid level at best.

  • Cougar Alumni Beaver, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 6:58 a.m.

    All these post are so negative. Look here is the positive;
    1. The Cougs were in the Kraft Hunger Bowl.
    2. Bronco had a legit excuse for 6 practices, family vacation time.
    3. Wrupple's Blue Zone is the greatest creative expression ever.
    4. Independence is still the best ever.
    5. Bronco's is still the most phenomena; head coach walking the grid iron.
    6. Fans need to give Anae a break, all you neigh sayers try calling a better game from your recliners.
    7. The Cougs have Hill for another two years!
    8. The three point stance running on the field is the best Ive sean since Little League football.
    9. The Cougs had the number one toughest schedule in all of college.
    10. "Quest for Perfection" is still achievable and available.

    As always Go Cougs!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 28, 2013 7:08 a.m.

    Washington was the 2nd or 3rd best team we played this year. We needed to play a very good game to have a chance, and we played poorly in several categories.

    Coaching - I completely disagree with Bronco's philosophy of using less than half the practices allowed. Practice makes perfect, and this is the best way to prepare not only for the bowl, but for next season. Anae's may know Xs and Os but he is not inspirational and his play calling is stagnant. The only two creative plays were Hoffman's pass and Sorensen's run on 4th down.

    QB - I don't understand how you can be critical of Hill. His passing continues to improve and his running keeps us in the game.

    Special Teams and Red Zone - This is where we lost it. It's hard to overcome the impact Washington's return game had on the outcome. But when you add in BYUs pathetic punting game and inability to score in the red zone, it's over. Our kicking game needs an overhaul.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 7:10 a.m.

    The PAC-12 is the 2nd best Football conference in the country. It is very tough to win in especially this year. Washington is a very talented team but lost four games in the league. WA lost close to Stanford and UCLA. WA got worked by Oregon and Arizona State. BYU had slim chances of winning this game going in and it played out pretty much as I thought.

    These posts have been interesting. It seems most BYU fans are finally coming to realize they do not have the athletes (with two exceptions this year, KVN & Hoffman) to compete with the schools from the better leagues. Two athletes are not going to get it done the way most of you wish. BYU’s 8-5 record is a darn good year for the talent on the team. Remember, three of those wins were pretty lucky, Texas (caught them just at the right time), Houston, and Nevada. Yes there were three close losses to quality opponents, Utah, Wisconsin, & ND, but those games the opponents controlled the game from start to finish. I’m glad the new reality is finally sinking in.

  • Myeah SLC, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 7:29 a.m.

    Surprising no one here has mentioned the cheap shot Kaufusi took on Price ( and would of turned over the interception) , when announcers were calling for his ejection. when have you EVER heard that? Kaufusi is a menace, a cheap player and should be removed. Are you proud of his play? Karma baby. .... with play like that BYU got what was coming. Shame on them. hats off to Coach Tui for coaching a great game, down 4 coaches and still pounded BYU. Hill deserves a better team, and really fans.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 7:29 a.m.

    Bronco making excuses about Special Teams? How about the fact that Gill is the only person that came out to play. With all Washington has been through, this would have been the perfect time to beat a PAC 12 school. Bronco's fault.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 7:33 a.m.

    Want to see something funny? New and improved schedule.

    2014 BYU Football Schedule

    08/28/14 @ UConn

    09/06/14 @ Texas

    09/13/14 OPEN DATE

    09/20/14 Virginia

    09/27/14 Houston

    10/03/14 Utah State

    10/11/14 @ UCF

    10/18/14 Nevada

    10/25/14 @ Boise State

    11/01/14 @ Middle Tennessee State

    11/08/14 Southern Miss

    11/15/14 UNLV

    11/22/14 Savannah State

    11/29/14 @ California

    Looks like days of old.

  • BYU9293 Clinton, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    Tough game to watch. Very frustrating that byu can so dominate a team on offense, look at the first downs and total yardage, and yet lose. Special teams were just horrible. Defense did not do too badly overall, really. Another key is that while we are settling for field goals, they got touchdowns. Hill will be junior next year and I look for great things. All but one o-lineman back next year so hopefully the oline will be better. Lose some on defense but gain a lot back in secondary and the schedule is easier next year. Plus, will be the second year with this offense and hopefully they will improve. Still, it was a successful season.

  • BYUHOCKEY American Fork, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    I made the correct call this year and opted out of season tickets to home games. The frustration level was significantly lower as a result. My blood pressure came down, my family is happier. Unfortunately, I called this game for Washington by 3 TDs... off by one. The BYU coaching staff has no real vision other than go fast go hard die fast and hard. BYU needs to get back into the MWC to have something to play for again. Each year the Cougs lose the first game and there is nothing to play for. 4 straight losses to Utah, doormat of the PAC12...ouch. The seniors and juniors have figured it out...one loss and you are out. Recruiting will suffer, is suffering. Wisconsin already has 2 top Utah recruits secured with LDS coach Gary Anderson pickpocketing Kyle and Bronco. BYU needs a true drop back passer who looks to pass first and actually can pass 75% accurately and then run only if absolutely needed. Lots of questions few answers at the moment. ESPN must be getting frustrated with BYUs lack of offensive prowess.

  • El Presidente Bluff, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    BYU is 0 and 2 against unranked PAC teams, with extra time to prepare for both games. For all the Cougar fans who've claimed the independent schedule is just as difficult as that of a top AQ conference, I don't believe it.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    Re: GoRed, et al

    The fact that BYU lost doesn't change the fact that Utah is in over its head in the PAC-12.

  • Myeah SLC, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    "Cosmo's Cousin
    Holladay, UT
    The refs rigged the game by not calling hold after hold on Washington. I'm so mad right now because the better team lost thanks to the officials."

    you must not of watched the game huh? like the late cheap shot given to Price, bad enough that the announcers were calling for #90 ejection. amazing. BYU was beat. get used to it. Karma for sleazy play. go watch NHL if you're in to thugs.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    I couldn't be happier about the outcome, specially after reading the comments under the Murphy article. Sad boys.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    Hill has tunnel vision and can't see or doesn't look at secondary recievers. His decision making on passes is suspect at best. When Hoffman was getting double and triple teamed, someone else had to be open. He still throws the ball like he's trying to throw it through a wall. He also needs to learn when to throw the ball. He waits too long. There is no timing between recievers and the QB. Bring in Detmer to teach him how.

    Kafusi should have been ejected for that helmet hit on the QB on the interception play. He should have had two penalties on that play. I'd have benched him after that. The bonehead penalty after the interception cause the loss of yards that kept the Cougars from scoring.

  • TheNun Granstville, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    at intramural cougar,

    "Utes can't even beat Boise State from the WAC/MWC? How terrible is that?"

    I would say about as terrible as someone posting about how bad the Utes are after your team puts on a complete display of ineptitude for all of the world to see. But, hey at least the cougars got some exposure because the game was on espn. Yay!

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    My thoughts
    1 when a quarterback runs 29 times receivers start getting lazy.
    2. Passing is mostly timing and repititions so when you don't practice it is not going to happen in the game.
    3. Good thing next years schedule is easier than this year
    4. Kick off returns are not counted in total yardage so it is not correct to say the Y out gained W by 150 yards. Their 150 yards in two returns is why they did not need to have more yards,
    5. Bronco may think it is a successful season but beating the likes of Nevada and Idaho state do not make a season successful.
    6. Good thing the Y. Is not in a major conference.

  • DH48 West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    BYU and Utah fans have to accept that neither school can attract the type of talent that will allow them to consistently compete on a big league level. The big question is, which is better, being a big fish in a little pond or taking in the big bucks while you lose regularly? The truly talented kids don't want to come to Utah schools and the available pool of kids is limited for BYU.

    Enjoy the occasional win against the big program and be prepared for the frequent let down too. Both teams are now small fish in a big pond.

  • TheNun Granstville, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    at boyman,

    "As for ute fans that want to pile on??? You have nothing to crow about... The cougs have at least beaten the Huskies before."

    While this may be true, this is also the truth, Byu 0, Utah 4, and it seems you can't handle the truth. LOL

  • donn layton, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:47 a.m.

    Ed Grady
    No) - BYU doesn't need to practice special teams,
    No - BYU doesn't need to practice red-zone offense,
    No - BYU doesn't need to practice 2nd-half offense,
    No - BYU receivers don't need to practice,
    No - BYU offensive line doesn't need to practice.

    No - BYU real college level quality talent and All the Practices will not matter and will just make you tired..

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    Hill did not hit wide open receivers. Yes the kickoff coverage was terrible but your qb has to be able to hit wide open receivers.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    8 yard punts are a sign of not enough practice. Double reverse pass in the red zone? That could have gotten Hoffman decapitated and lost BYU a QB for 6-8 months. The interim Huskies coach made some boneheaded decisions in the first quarter instead of taking points, but UW had a good enough running game and a good tight end to capitalize on opportunities and score touchdowns. BYUs offensive scheme relies way too much on Hill to make plays. He throws a great ball when a receiver is wide open 5-10 yards on quick routes, but when there is tight coverage or he has to throw down the field, his percentage drops way off.

    All of Bronco Mendenhall's quotes sound like empty platitudes. Almost as if he practiced them by himself at home and thought they sounded good, so he used them regardless of a win or loss. He rarely seems truly disappointed or surprised when BYU doesn't win.

    For the BYU fans piling on Utah and saying they would compete better in the PAC 12, maybe there won't be so much chest thumping now. The speed and skill players in the PAC 12 are pretty darn good.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 28, 2013 9:14 a.m.

    poyman,

    This is not about BYU or Utah's inability to beat Washington. This is about BYU fans poking fun at Utah's inability to win in the PAC 12 with a 33% winning percentage while over the same time period BYU has a 28% winning percentage against PAC 12 teams.

    Instead of calling it the PAC 10.2 you guys should call it the PAC 10.2.1

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Dec. 28, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    If the team with a hurry-up offense can't score consistently in the red zone, it is a mere gimmick.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Dec. 28, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    I'm pleased with the caliber of young men that make up this BYU football team. I wish them the very best in all they choose to become in life. You cannot find a finer bunch of young men anywhere.

    As for the game, I could not be more disappointed in the offensive game plan. What in the world is the coaching staff thinking? I saw 3 passes to tight ends that were great. There were a couple of trick plays that were complete failures in execution. I saw one crossing pattern. I saw no dumps across the middle to the backs. I saw one screen pass, and no flare outs or button hooks. I saw way too many QB runs and zero creativity. I don't know what this coaching staff is trying to do. If you fail to plan you plan to fail. BYU's plan to fail worked perfectly in this game.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    Further proof that Robert Anae is a one trick pony. Move him to offensive line coach and get a real offensive coordinator!
    BYU has a stable of good running backs yet the QB gets the majority of carries? Very poor offensive scheme!

  • El Presidente Bluff, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    As an independent, BYU will always schedule enough winnable games to get to a bowl. Whether or not they deserve to be there is another question. I

  • More Mature Y Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    I support BYU. I don't support Bronco. BYU must decide if it's going to continue down this path of rosy records over nobodies but no ability to compete with national powers. It's time to take a new path back to when BYU was competitive & respected.

    BYU is regressing, not progressing. It has an offense that it doesn't have the athletes to run. So what does Bronco do? Runs plays faster. GFGH has shown to be nothing but a defense killer when the offense doesn't make first downs and extend drives. It has shown inept at recruiting. Heaps? Apo? Have another press conference. Lavell would have never allowed that.

    Bronco is Professor Harold Hill. He talks winning seasons, national championships, BCS games, how many plays the team is running all the while asking us as fans to ignore the team's true makeup. Four straight losses to Utah. Six bowl practices? Notre Dame? Wisconsin? Virginia? Utah? Losses. Beating a Texas team that fired its DC and HC? Please.

    Firing Bronco is a must if BYU football is to return where it once was. When it beat Florida & Pitt, not MTSU, ISU and NMSU.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    BYU just lost to the 6th place team in the PAC 12, who didn't even have their coach, by 2 touchdowns. This loss will effect BYU next year too since their schedule is so weak and they don't play in a conference. No matter how many wins they get next year, they will be discounted because the last time they played a middle of the pack PAC 12 team, they lost by 2 touchdowns.

    BYU's record in 2013 against BCS conference teams of 1-5 won't help either.

  • sg newhall, CA
    Dec. 28, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    Although Hill is a good QB, running that is, he is a terrible passing QB, and Coach Annai is not a great offensive coordinator. The plays were boring and ineffective. If anything, BYU needs to find speedy kick returners and running backs. The offensive line was slow to protect their QB. Honestly, it was a painful game to watch. Mendenhall needs to give up handling the defense. BYU does NOT possess a potent offense. Period. They lost to a mediocre, average Pac 12 team which speaks volumes as to where the BYU program is and isn't. Lousy game. I gave up after the interception, but knew that even after halftime the winner was already determined.

  • Tired Fan Auburn, WA
    Dec. 28, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    Bronco will find a silver lining somewhere in last night's pathetic performance (e.g., BYU's cheerleaders were more modestly dressed than Washington's), but the truth is, the BYU football team was flat, undisciplined and utterly unprepared for a quality team like Washington and badly embarrassed its uncommonly loyal fans, continuing in its long-standing tradition of choking in just about any game that matters. The most amazing thing?--the team just takes it all in stride (a reflection of the head coach)--ah, shucks, we'll get'em next year. If all BYU can ever manage to do is put on a nice fireside the night before the game, why not just shut the program down and spend all that money on academic scholarships for deserving students? Bronco deserves a swift kick in the pants, Robert Anae has to go today, and with half the money BYU is spending on him, hire a special teams coach, recruit a new punter and some offensive linemen and find some defensive backs, who can play fewer than 20 yards off the receiver.

  • LoveMySports Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    Had a family party last night so I missed the game. So glad I didn't waste my time watching another half rear-ended effort by the coaching staff. Bronco's bowl prep is horrible. Does he think really think his players are thinking after a loss, "Hey we got killed but at least I had another week to sit on my rear end." He's doing a disservice to his players by not preparing them properly!

  • Sambonethegreat Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    Go Fast, Go Hard... go three and out. What a gimmick.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 28, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    Hopefully BYU fans have come to the realization that playing PAC-12 teams is a lot harder than they thought. Now Y fans can understand what Utah has to deal with week-to-week in the PAC-12. No more bashing Utah on our performance when we just saw last night how bad BYU looked against Washington.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 28, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    Bowl streak snapped!

  • Cosmo's Cousin Holladay, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    BYU could've won this game. Things just didn't go our way, such as the the PAC-12 refs not calling any holds on Washington even though they were holding ALL NIGHT LONG!

    In my heart I think that BYU is the better team but once the officials and bad calls set them back by two touchdowns, the boys got so deflated they couldn't come back.

    I mean, what was the point? The officials from the PAC-12 would just find a way to give the game back to the Huskies anyway.

    In the future, BYU needs to DEMAND that no refs from the PAC-12 can officiate our games. We know from the Utah game these officials protect their own. We need to file a complaint with the PAC-12 and threaten a lawsuit until they agree to bring in officials from the MWC or SEC.

  • LoveTheKittens Central, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    I only Yasom could throw that football 50 yds and run down the field and catch...we would win. Maybe they could work on that during spring ball?

    Texas and Utah State were a fluke. The cougs are not capable of beating decent teams.

  • CHrollCHum Springville, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 11:30 a.m.

    BYU9293:
    "Tough game to watch. Very frustrating that byu can so dominate a team on offense, look at the first downs and total yardage, and yet lose."

    The article also pointed out how many yards y'all racked up. Unfortunately, the scoreboard doesn't show the yards or the 1st downs. It only shows the points you get from converting those yards and 1st downs in the red zone. Teams that dominate on offense make that conversion. Teams that don't, they spin their wheels. Twice the effort for half the production!

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    BYU fans are strange. How the heck do I read so many post on here about how great Hill was.

    1) Hill couldn't hit water if he fell out of a freak'in boat. He is a terrible passer, over throws everybody. He is a good runner, but you can't win on just that alone.
    2)Anae's play calling is terrible. His play calling is so predictable. Last night, almost every third down and long, Washington pulled their nose tackle, and Hill ran up the middle, an got stuffed more than half the time.
    3) Yes back to it, Hill over threw at least three plays that if he just drops the ball in it would have been six. This isn't high school anymore Taysom, you have to complete passes.
    4) BYU is flat out a disappointment like they are every year. I can't think of a team that lets its fans down more than BYU. Win the games you should lose and then turn around and lose games you should have won.

    Terrible!

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    I am enjoying reading the BYU fans assessment of the game...season...coaching staff etc....

    Please continue...

    It's half-time at ND/Rutgers...

    It's amazing to hear the normal pro BYU talking heads at ESPN mock the coaching and the play of BYU...taking time to show KVN wiff on Sankey's TD... as well as the special teams meltdowns...

    BTW...

    The officials for the game were Conference USA officials.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    I say by BYU not having as many workouts it took away the advantage the Cougs had with the UW coaching situation. To me it was a bummer that the Y got outcoached by an interim coach in his first and only game as the head coach with only five full time assistants, probably spending any free time working on resumes. I support Coach Mendenhall generally but this was a poor effort on his behalf, and that of the coaches, which led to a substandard effort by the players. This game was there for the taking against a quality program and we didn't come prepared.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Dec. 28, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    Cosmo's Cousin (and others)
    Referees were NOT PAC-12. They were Conference USA officials who missed calls on both sides.

  • donn layton, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    @Ed Grady
    No - BYU doesn't need to practice special teams,
    No - BYU doesn't need to practice red-zone offense,
    No - BYU doesn't need to practice 2nd-half offense,
    No - BYU receivers don't need to practice,
    No - BYU offensive line doesn't need to practice.
    No - BYU talent and All the Practice will not matter and will just make you tired..

  • Coach Biff Lehi, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    You know, this game sucked and I would like to flay Bronco and Anae, but it is comical to see the cheap shot comments from Utes on this board. Hope the couch is comfortable. You will be there for the foreseeable future.

  • Super Trooper Richfield, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    I knew the Cougars were in trouble when the starting tailback for Washington's first name was:

    Bishop.

  • Cougar Blue 1 Henderson , NV
    Dec. 28, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    I'm hearing a lot of voices from the PAC 12 Basement. Oh, just the usual Ute fans. Smile and wave boys, smile and wave. Maybe your offensive co-co-co-co-co coordinators will lead you to a bowl game next year.

  • More Mature Y Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 1:20 p.m.

    @Cosmos Cousin They weren't PAC 12 officials. They were from Conference USA. You can confirm that in the Daily Universe. Please in the future do some research and know what you're talking about before posting a "blame the officials" comment. You reinforce the stereotype of BYU fans and make BYU fans look bad. No matter how much you shout in all caps it doesn't make what you say true. BYU was not the better team last night and that responsibility falls directly at the feet of Bronco Mendenhall.

  • youtefan Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 1:29 p.m.

    I am amazed at how disloyal BYU fans can be! We all need to remember that one thing is for sure, there is always a winner and a loser! An 8-5 record is considered a winning record! Time to move on......

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 28, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    Let me make this perfectly clear to you ute posters. Cosmos Cousin is just one of your own, a Ute troll along the lines of Mildred and Earnest, just trying to create more misconception of BYU fans.

    Actually, the officiating was one of the best I've seen of a BYU game. I can think of only 2 missed calls-- the no call on the UW player on one of the TDs and the missed call on Kaufusi's head butt, even though they got him on a much less egregious late hit.

    Kudos to the women officials who actually did an excellent job!

  • CHrollCHum Springville, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    @Cougar Blue 1

    How do you talk down on what's above you? Is that a special brand of physics known only by BYU's science departments?

  • Carson Provo, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    A BYU loss always makes for a great day!

  • Cosmo's Cousin Holladay, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 2:58 p.m.

    I know for sure that the officials were from the PAC-12 .... Because that conference doesn't allow refs from other conferences to call PAC-12 games.

    That proves the conference wants its teams to have home cooking all the time. BYU's record against the PAC-12 would be at least 80% if it had fair officials.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 5:05 p.m.

    BYU lost because Washington is a better team. And honestly I'm sick and tired of the rivalry between Utah and BYU fans and all the stupid remarks that both sides make. BYU fans...we lost because we weren't as good as they were, period. Utah fans, U would have lost as well, and probably by a larger margin...your recent history with the Huskies gives little doubt about that (and the fact you got worked by 12 pts to their little cousin). Neither program is performing as well as their fans would like, and listening to you all snivel and fight over what amounts to scraps from the adult table is tiresome and old. Thank goodness I'm a UGA and SEC fan to fall back on because this kindergarten fight on the Wasatch is getting ridiculous. BYU and Utah both stink right now, and neither fan base has anything to brag about, and while Bronco and Whit are in charge we should all get used to that. Here's hoping for some much needed changes in CFB in the state of Utah.

  • Duckhunter SLC, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 5:36 p.m.

    Perhaps Bronco will see the importance of actually practicing and preparing for next years bowl game? This was a loss that didn't need to happen, at least not in the manner it did, and it is all on Bronco in my opinion.

    Of course BYU's inability to score TD's in the red zone really hurt them, and some extremely boneheaded mistakes hurt them as well.

    I thought Taysom was fantastic, he did everything he could do and I think he is on the verge of becoming a true star but he needs some more help. Hopefully the oline improves, that is a real problem, and hopefully Bronco improves, he is becoming a real problem.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 5:53 p.m.

    Cosmo's Cousin
    Holladay, UT

    SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The Fight Hunger Bowl will make history with two female officials this year.
    The game between BYU and Washington on Dec. 27 in San Francisco will be called by a crew from Conference USA that includes Sarah Thomas as line judge and Maia Chaka as head linesman.

    Typical byU fan not knowing the facts.

  • evansrichdm west jordan , UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 5:55 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs

    Could not agree more with what you said. It is football, nothing more yet Utah and BYU both have turned an enjoyable game into a sniveling my pony is better then your pony.

    It is football and fun and yes it is nice to see your team win, but there will be days that they will lose and lose badly.
    BYU and Utah fan do you expect your team to win every game all the time or are you always going to be asking for the coach head after each lost?
    Replacing coach each season does not work most of the time ask Utah.
    Just get over it and move on to next season and enjoy the ups and downs.
    Last note to BYU fan, at least with B. as coach we are not having a repeat of the 2002-2004 years.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 6:29 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs,

    Why don't you tell your friends under the Utah articles?...And can you ever critic your team and leave Utah out of it?...apples to oranges...mid-major independent to major conference member. So your teams had a couple of bad days and you're jumping off the band wagon. funny.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 6:54 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    Nice to see you have recovered enough since the rivalry basketball game to post a comment. :) My only other comment would be that hopefully BYU fans now have a little better understanding of the type of competition the Utes face every week in conference play. Washington isn't even one of the top teams in the Pac 12. Just an observation.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 7:58 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    Prepare for next year's bowl game? And where is that going to be, pray tell? BYU has no bowl affiliations for 2014 and 2015. Read that in the Deseret News.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:12 p.m.

    Nobody knows what would result between Utah/uw in '13 and we'll never know, particularly if we had a healthy TW!

    However, following their loss to Stanford, we beat Stanford....UW got destroyed by ASU shortly before we dominated ASU for 3+ Qtrs before playing not to lose and allowing them to sneak back in and leave w/a 1 point victory....These two schools earned a spot in our conference championship game.

    Wazzu was beat on a series of complete flukes in ending their bowl game....However, they went 6-6 against what ended the regular season as the #1 ranked SOS in the nation....Wazzu was not the same team as last year....Furthermore, they were significantly more competitive against uw than byu was and in a very, very hostile husky stadium, a game in which uw led by merely 3 pts, 20-17, w/just over 2:00 remaining in the 4th Qtr.

    Wazzu went down to Auburn and outplayed them and s/h won....They did something byu has never done--Beat USC and did so in L.A. They beat ua in tucson 1 wk prior to oregon hitting tucson....When's byu last beat Arizona in tucson?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 10:34 p.m.

    AZUTE:
    And UW beat OSU by 42 and Arizona by18 and Colorado by 52, and s/h won AT Stanford, losing by a FG. See I can play that game too. Utah has not shown the ability to stay within 2 TDs of the Huskies against WORSE UW teams than this one so pray tell why do you think they'd do any better this year against the best UW team in nearly a decade?

    Ekute:
    When is going 5-7 a good thing (Utah) or going 8-5 with no marquee wins (BYU)? I was calling out BOTH BYU and Utah fans because of the vitriol being displayed here (I haven't been on ute articles for awhile). BYUs SOS was higher than half the PAC12's so please stop with the major conference bologna. BYU played poorly against good competition, and Utah couldn't play well unless they were at home, losing EVERY PAC12 road game by double digits. But hey, if you're ok with that, be my guest, but I'm fairly certain most ute fans aren't ok with going sub .500 and bowless every year.

    Bottom line: neither fanbase has anything to crow about, which was my original point.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 28, 2013 11:41 p.m.

    @azute...

    Actually during the Edward, Crowton and Mendenhall years we are 55-48 against the pac12 (if we include Utah)... 29-32 if we don't... In the Las Vegas Bowl alone during the Mendenhall era the Cougs are 3-2 in the Las Vegas Bowl alone... Beating Oregon, Arizona and Oregon State and losing to California and Arizona...

    Now the utes on the other hand are 19-48 against pac12 teams during that time... BYU has 10 more wins against pac12 foes than Utah and Utah has been in the conference for 10 years... How sad is that?

    It's always good to do a little homework before we start kicking up dirt my friend...

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 28, 2013 11:47 p.m.

    Okay... We have work to do... We need more speed, better OL blocking, better Special Team play, and more QB effectiveness with the passing game.

    IMHO those critics are fair game for the BYU faithful... But when ute fans have the audacity to take shots at the program, or to encourage Coug fans to boycott games because that will bring positive change in the future??? I have to throw out the "Baloney flag" and label this group Hypocrites to the 9's...

    We lost and we should have done better, and yes, alot of it can be blamed on coaching... But this was one game... This program has lived in a world of success over the past 30-40 years and we have the capability of getting back to it...

    The utes have 2 years of glory... that's it... We have decades...

    Over the past 40 years (Lavelle, Crowton, Mendenhall)... Against the big bad pac12 BYU is 55-48 with Utah, and 29-32 without Utah... We are 4-4 against the Huskies... The utes have never beaten Washington and only have 19 wins total despite the fact that they have been in the conference for 3 years.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 29, 2013 12:26 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs--

    "And UW beat OSU by 42 and Arizona by18 and Colorado by 52, and s/h won AT Stanford, losing by a FG. See I can play that game too. Utah has not shown the ability to stay within 2 TDs of the Huskies against WORSE UW teams than this one so pray tell why do you think they'd do any better this year against the best UW team in nearly a decade? BYUs SOS was higher than half the PAC12's so please stop with the major conference bologna."

    You addressed, in part, my comment. I chose our two divisional champions in illustrating, as PAC-12's top two/most consistent/close in time when U/uw played them. The others don't match-up.

    While uw had more Ws, they remained inconsist away from Seattle, hitting Tempe wholly mentally unprepared, not unlike '12 in tucson. Also, uw got Arizona at home early/OSU late. uw/entire conference, excepting The U, started/finished w/identical QB. CAL, too?

    At regular season's end, top 7 SOS rankings occupied by PAC-12, leaving fewer than half at 5. These 5 ranked at #s 12/13/14/18/28, all higher than byu 's #37.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 29, 2013 12:51 a.m.

    poyman--

    You stated records involving PAC-10/-12 teams. It's an entirely different animal when facing these schools at random spanning decades, than it is facing them in a back-to-back, week-in, week-out grind of a schedule, an entirely 100% foreign concept to byu. For instance, this year we faced OSU/byu/UCLA [had identical bye-week we did]/Stanford/At Arizona/At USC/ASU/At Oregon/At Wazzu. This is something the byu ad carefully avoids at all costs, mind you.

    Also The PAC-10 died a few years ago. And even while facing all 7 PAC-12 schools at random while spanning 3 years, byu is still has a dismal 2-5 record. They beat 2 at bottom of PAC-12 standings/Were smashed by 3 above .500/Are 0-3 against The U.

    Regarding uw, before they caught us during our first 2 years of transition into our new conference, w/our disastrous QB-scenario, etc., we hadn't played since '79, 6 total meetings up 'til then.

    We're significantly improved from '11-'12-'13, yet our conference is overall, as well. Both recent games were not as the final margins would otherwise indicate. Must I break them both down again?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 29, 2013 1:28 a.m.

    poyman/cnd cont'd--

    byu's has only 2 Ws vs uw recently, the first miraculously avoiding by 1 pt being uw's sole victim during their 0-12 '09 campaign, after refs bailed them out. The 2nd was uw's 1st game in Y2 for Sark, merely 1 YR/5 Ws removed from hitting rock bottom.

    This whole notion that because we lost 2 games during previous 2 years, both of which tight 'til well into 2nd half, and w/it rotating back to R.E.S. in '13, were we in fact actually scheduled to meet?

    No game in the history of College Football has ever been hypothetically W/L. We play these games for a reason. Kind of like how we register our annual victory over byu in an actual game we play, yet like clock-work, byu always wins these 2 hypothetical games they remind us Utes about, the 1st played toward the tail-end of the off-season as we approach Game 1 and 2nd preceding it at the prior season's end when they proclaim, "If we were to play again right now, we'd kill you!" This is due directly to byu, annually, improving like no other team in America does.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 1:39 a.m.

    "BYU has 10 more wins against pac12 foes than Utah and Utah has been in the conference for 10 years... How sad is that?"

    ....what?

  • bigirish OREM, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 1:46 a.m.

    There's so much pressure on BYU to win other than the thrill of winning. We feel the need to be perfect representatives of a perfect church, via BYU sports. But when we show our selves as human and weak at times, the pressure is even more. Our guys give their all for the most part, though it's hard to explain poor execution and stupid penalties and questionable calls and preparation sometimes. Other teams often have better athletes and coaches and a bigger pool to pull from. Our guys have kids and wives and callings and school to manage. Does that account for a season that got away from us? Can we really expect more wins and better games with all that? No excuses,eh? I'm always a hopeful and optimistic fan, can't wait for a new year and hew prospects. But we've pretty much played at the same level for a lot of years, though having some unique wins and seasons at times. So we lament and cry for better coaching and play calling and more superior athletes. Flashes of greatness need to turn into more consistent ones.

  • jazzer St. George, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    Cosmo's Cousin
    Holladay, UT
    BYU could've won this game. Things just didn't go our way, such as the the PAC-12 refs not calling any holds on Washington even though they were holding ALL NIGHT LONG!

    In my heart I think that BYU is the better team but once the officials and bad calls set them back by two touchdowns, the boys got so deflated they couldn't come back.

    I mean, what was the point? The officials from the PAC-12 would just find a way to give the game back to the Huskies anyway.

    Typical BYU Fan. Are you kidding me? Like you seriously think that was acceptable to think?

    In the future, BYU needs to DEMAND that no refs from the PAC-12 can officiate our games. We know from the Utah game these officials protect their own. We need to file a complaint with the PAC-12 and threaten a lawsuit until they agree to bring in officials from the MWC or SEC

  • BYU-Virginia Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 29, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    Somewhere, Middle Tennessee is saying...we lost to these guys? MTSU takes on Navy in the Armed Forces Bowl on Dec 30.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs,

    Your point is well taken. Neither football program has much to crow about right now. The Utes just brought in their 5th or 6th OC in as many years and continues to struggle against the better teams in the Pac 12. BYU is still failing to get those big wins they need to get the national recognition they desire. Improvement is needed by both programs.

  • Duckhunter SLC, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    @mormon ute

    Went on a family vacation and then it was Christmas, I have a life outside of the dnews comment section, but thanks for your concern on my whereabouts.

    As for the game itself it was apparent BYU's coaching, or lack of it, was the main culprit. How Bronco can expect his team to be sharp and prepared when they didn't even practice for half a month is beyond me. That might work when they are playing teams like sdsu or utep which have inferior talent but it is a recipe for exactly what we got when playing a team like washington. I think Bronco is a good coach but he also does some incredibly stupid things at times.

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 12:25 p.m.

    BYU is a super terrific team. I thought Sorensen had a nice game.

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    I think Robert Anae needs at least another 2 years to make this work. Lets get behind what he is trying to accomplish.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 29, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    Must be a Ute fan doing the censoring today.

    To BigJ and jazzer:

    Your "typical BYU fan," Cosmo's Cousin, is actually one of several Ute fans who makes outrageous comments posing as BYU fans in attempt to create a stereotype. Those are the facts.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    byu fans, stop being so hard on your coaches. Maybe UW just has bigger, faster, stronger athletes. It's a PAC 12 thing.

  • CHrollCHum Springville, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    @jazzer

    Have you not been paying attention? Have you not noticed how many people have already debunked the misinformed claim that the game was ref'ed by a PAC crew? They were from ConferenceUSA. They were not from the PAC. And I understand that you saw a lot of questionable calls, but that's because of your royal tinted goggles. The rest of the country saw a rather well-officiated game. We also saw BYU get away with some stuff. But why would you blame your team when you can just shift the responsibility?

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 29, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    @24flinching...

    The 10 years in conference was a type-o but it was corrected in the next post... The fact remains however... BYU has 10 more pac12 wins (excluding Utah) in the Edwards, Crowton, and Mendenhall years than the utes have and that includes the last 3 years when the utes have been in that conference... Still a very sad commentary and should render silence from any utes (like yourself) that want to pile on.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 29, 2013 2:02 p.m.

    @ jazzer and other BYU fans who are blaming the officiating on PAC-12 refs for your bowl loss.

    They were NOT PAC-12 refs, they were Conference USA refs. All of you blaming the refs are really sounding ridiculous. Enough of the excuses and admit the better team won. You would sound a lot more respected if you can give credit where credit is due.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    AZUTE:
    So which is it? If you played UW early and had TW he may have thrown 6 picks like he did at home against UCLA, or if you got them late without TW? Bottom line is Washington is a good team with better athletes than either BYU or Utah.

    Ekute:
    It's not a PAC12 thing, it's a UW thing. The huskies own both programs right now, and I think given the utes PAC history against them that's a hard thing to refute.

    And I thought the officiating in the game was good. We had some calls go against us and some go our way...we lost to a better team, no excuses.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 29, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    @azute...

    You said: "Also The PAC-10 died a few years ago. And even while facing all 7 PAC-12 schools at random while spanning 3 years, byu is still has a dismal 2-5 record..."

    It's actually 2-4 with a win over OSU in the Las Vegas Bowl (they finished 4th in the pac12 that year)...

    Why measure just the last 3 years though??? Why is it that you don't want to look at Mendenhall's program over its life of 8 years since that is really what you are critiquing?

    Had you included the next 5 years, the balance of Mendenhall's coaching era, the record against pac10 foes improves to 9-10 (a 47.4% win ratio) while Utah's record is 13-21 (a 33.3% win ratio). That's a 14% difference and even takes into account one of the ute's glory years...

    I'm not a wagering kind of guy, but if I were I would be willing to bet the house that if BYU was in the big bad pac12 Conference over the past 3 years we would have qualified for more than one Bowl Game and we would have a higher win% than 33%.

  • jazzer St. George, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 8:10 a.m.

    @CHrollCHum

    I copied and pasted what a BYU fan said. I went back and looked and my comment got thrown in the middle. I was making fun of the fan who said that the officials were the reason for the loss. I think that is hilarious and typical of BYU fans to blame the game on the refs. BYU can never just man up and take their loss as they are just not good enough and were out played.

    Sorry for the confusion, in no way, shape or form do I think officials decided that game or any other game.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    PAC 12 is over rated. BYU just plain didn't play well.

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 9:00 a.m.

    Such an interesting football year. The Ute's dont go bowling, BYU goes but loses and USU goes and wins against a ranked team. Funny how cyclical football can be.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    @Poyman, throwing winning percentages around as a measure of how BYU would do against the PAC 12 only tells part of the story. Frankly, nobody really knows how BYU would do if playing PAC 12 teams every week. You can "bet the house" but like so many fans who make the "BYU would be so much better in the PAC 12" it is all conjecture.

    KW had a winning record against the PAC 12 before joining the league. Did you include that little stat? Of course not, everyone on these boards uses the stats that best suits their argument.

    BYU has played USC (0), Oregon (1), Stanford (0), and ASU (0) during the Bronco era. Pound your chests if you must, but you are not making an apples to apples comparison. If you play a really tough team about ever 2-3 weeks, you should have more success against the PAC 12 because you get weeks of relative ease and you play the mid to lower-tiered teams PAC 12 teams.

    Play UCLA, Stanford, Arizona, USC, Arizona State, Oregon, and Washington State all in consecutive weeks. The only question then would be whether your how much lower Bronco's 47.4% winning percentage against the PAC 12 would be.

  • Provo, Ute Fan St. George, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    Draper Ute fan could not be more right. Well said buddy

    Go Utes

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 30, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    I've said it before and I will never stop saying it, Until Bronco is fired byu will never ever be a team to fear or be reckoned with. He is not a head coach and will never take byu to the next level like he's been saying ever since he got there. One of the worst coaching hires since Crowton. I wasn't surprised to see Byu lost and to hear they were inept in the "blue" zone. Next year won't be any different. But I don't care too much since my Noles still have a shot to hoist the Crystal Ball!

  • Duckhunter SLC, UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    @bungalow

    You might have had a couple of good points there except that you committed a lie of ommission, on purpose I might add.

    The "5 reasons BYU will beat Wisconsin" article was accompanied by a "5 reasons wisconsin will beat BYU" article. Both articles listed the strengths of the respective teams and gave the reasons why each team "should" win the game. So major fail on your part for complete dishonesty.

    And yes BYU could have "realistically beaten a team like washington" which is a good team but not a great one and went into the game with some real issues, like an interem coach. Bronco's ridiculous decision to not practice and behave as if it was just another game lead to an unprepared and lethargic team. Now I am not claiming BYU would have definately beaten washington but considering they had far more yards, first downs, etc it is easy to see they could have won that game if maybe they'd just spent a little bit of time practicing and working on execution in the red zone. That is on Bronco, not on the talent of the players.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 31, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    @bungalow
    Seem to recall all you Ute fans pronouncing a Rose Bowl appearance after beating Stanford(completely a fluke btw) at least byu made it to a bowl game. Where were the Utes bowling again? Oh and ASU one of your top Pac dawgs got hammered by a 7-5 team with a freshman QB LOL.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 31, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    Kaufusi is a dirty player in both basketball and football. Sad, but true. As far as losing to U Dub goes, no shame in that. A program and team on the rise. They actually came out smelling like a rose in the coaching change.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 31, 2013 6:42 p.m.

    Jarkarus

    At least Utah fans don't have to play connect the dots, your cougs lost to Utah for the fourth straight season. Spin that, and have a Happy New Year in the process!

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Dec. 31, 2013 9:47 p.m.

    @nevadacoug the only reason you had more total yards than Washington is because byu started on their side of the field than Washington. Of course you are going to have more yards.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Jan. 2, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    This was a tough game for the Cougars. They had the talent and ability to beat Washington but
    didn't get the job done. They controlled the run used the clock but fell flat on their face
    on two kickoff returns.BYU fans deserve a better performance than this. Something is missing that
    could make BYU magical and heart stopping.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 2, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    Duckhunter,

    Nice to know you have a life off the boards as do most of the rest of us. I agree with your comments about the lack of preparation. I wasn't aware of that until you mentioned it, but I can't imagine not taking advantage of every second of practice time allowed.