7-15-1? Whoever thought that a tie was an okay end for a postseason?
BYU became an independent in football in order to provide themselves an
opportunity to; (1) make more money through an ESPN contract. (2) Allow
themselves national coverage through their own BYU network; and to play a
schedule that would assure them an opportunity to secure an outside chance at
landing a BCA bid.As an Independent, BYU has played a rather tame
schedule, and in doing so, has not performed up to the expectations set forth
prior to the '13 season. Beating cream-puffs, and manhandling D1 schools in
their down years is never enough to attract positive national attention to their
program. Winning 7 games against a weak schedule will only get them an
opportunity to play other low achieving teams. Is this all this team aspires to?
BYU seems to be pretty comfortable playing in 3rd Tier bowl games - playing
before New Years on a yearly basis.BYU football is mired in
mediocrity, and will never get over that hump until they can successfuly recruit
blue-chip players. Unfortunately, most blue-chip players have their sights set
on programs who have an opportunity to play in a major conference with an
automatic bid to the big dances.
Florida BoyYou have the reasons mixed up. #1 is for exposure. A distant
second is the money. The money is nice but not anywhere near as important to BYU
as the exposure. BYU already has great facilities and operates well into the
Florida Boy - "play a schedule that would assure them an opportunity to
secure an outside chance at landing a BCA bid."If that was the goal,
they did it wrong. They schedule was too tough. This year, to achieve your #3
(BCS) they needed to ditch all but 2 schools from the big 5 conferences, and
maybe beat only one of those.The UCF Knights which are headed to the
Fiesta Bowl on this schedule:Wins against Akron, FIU, Penn State, Memphis,
Louisville, Connecticut, Houston, Temple, Rutgers, USF, SMU. One loss against
South Carolina Gamecocks. The Cougars could have maybe run that table as well
as UCF.If BCS was the goal, the Cougars should have dropped
Virginia, Texas, Utah, and Georgia Tech in favor of lighter competition.
They're playing for that "best of the mid-majors" spot, not a
"one of the big boys" slot.
Florida Boy,Although we'd all like to think that teams have
gotten stronger or weaker, for the most part, teams today are about as strong or
as weak as they were 20 years ago. BYU has never had top recruiting classes and
they probably never will. BYU's glass ceiling is in part a reflection of
the honor code, their church affiliation, and their priorities. Unless those
change, the glass ceiling remains. Take your pot shots, if you will, but BYU is
more than just a football team with an academic wing (although I believe that a
few universities in the US fit that bill). BYU's goal will
remain to do more with less, to maximize their potential and to be a University
with good athletic programs attached. They will occasionally have some top 10
years, but not as consistently as the teams that put football #1.
We can always dance around and hypothesize about where BYU is lacking, but we
need to remember that these are young men playing a game they love. That is what
it boils down to. Having major football success could be a curse for BYU. Look
at Johnny Manziel. Look at that Winston guy at FSU. The spotlight is bright and
garish. And it brings out the worst in programs and players. Let the boys play.
Watch if you want. Whine if you want. But either way, BYU will do what it deems
I think Florida Boy has the right general idea. Bronco Mendenhall's key to
bowl success has been underachieving. BYU simply doesn't play in the tier
or bowls they could or maybe even ought to. BYU's move to independence was
sold as a way to make them a legitimate national championship contender, what it
really has been is a way to maximize money and exposure while minimizing the
need for success. I still follow BYU's program, but not very passionately
these days. The truth is that the powers that be don't seem to think that
putting together a top 15 football team year in and year out is important. My
love for great football outweighed my loyalties to one program.
Mendenhall should have emphasized winning in the regular season more.
jsteveYour comment makes no sense regarding this article. 7-15-1 was
BYU's bowl record prior to Bronco Mendenhall. Since Bronco
Mendenhall BYU's bowl record is 6-2.
@I am IBYU plays in the bowl tier that they deserve, and that is by
contract. The only option for BYU is the Hungry Bowl (yep I know the real title
but if I was a fan this is what I would be, hungry for more and better) which is
a step down from where they played as Mt West Champion. The 6th choice of the
PAC12?. Is this what BYU football really is, 6th choice caliber? Maybe if there was more realism during the off season, no more Natl
Championship hype from the program itself, expectations would become more
aligned with the reality of the physical universe in which we all live.
Selling independence as a path to a National Championship is exactly that,
"selling". That was not the intent when it the decision was made, but
Tom Holmoe and coach Mendenhall needed to sell something to the fans. The Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints wants the football team as a missionary
tool. Play all over the country, produce some good stories and be at least
better than average. I think the Church would probably like to just do away with
all sports in general if they really could, but there are positive benefits of
having sports and teams.BYU is not and won't be a NC caliber
team, probably ever. Even the '84 team, which was a great season, was
probably not the best team in the country. The opening win against Pitt that
year ended up not being that great due to the season Pitt had, and the win over
Michigan was against an average Michigan team. It was a lucky season with no
real BCS or playoff system. I think something similar to that would have to
happen for BYU to even get a sniff at a NC game in this day and age.
Maybe Breonco should emphasize beating the BCS competition they play each year.
Their next year schedule should get them double digit wins which will satisfy a
lot of BYU fans who do not wish to play tough competition week in week out.
meanwhile the Utes continue to lift weights and cheer for their basketball team.
Alls I know is there is know better bowl game coach and program in America.
Maybe Bronco should put more "emphasis" on the Utah game so we could
finally beat them.
re.diehardUtah 10th choice of the PAC12. Lost to Washington. Not
invited to bowl, but did win their traditional yearly "bowl" game
against BYU. No BYU for next 2 years so likely no bowl game. End of story.
I'd like to see BYU use the bowl game as an opportunity to get ready for
the next year as well as win the bowl game itself. To waste 9 practices bugs
CougarColby, et alBYU's NC win vs Michigan was valid, so quit
dissing it. Michigan's record might have been mediocre, but the team BYU
played wasn't.ALL of Michigan's losses that year were when
their big running back was out with injury. He wasn't when they played BYU.
They won all the games when he played, except for BYU.All of the
pollsters that voted BYU the champ knew that, else they wouldn't have voted
that way.And keep in mind that BYU did it with a QB limping on an
injured leg.As far as a future NC, BYU will be in the mix as time
goes on and they continue to get BCS-quality teams on their schedule. It's
just a matter of winning, and that's not out of the question. Could even
happen with Hill & Williams. They're quite the one-two punch. Just
young and inexperienced as yet.Also, with the new scheme, 4 teams
have a chance at it in the near future, not just 2. That helps with the odds of
Ed GradyDid you bother reading the article?"It’s giving our guys time off, getting them fresh again, getting
them back in the weight room so they can get their strength and conditioning
back," said outside linebackers coach Kelly Poppinga, who also played in a
couple of bowl victories as a Cougar. "Really, it’s just time off. I
think a lot of people on the outside complain about that. But we use it to our
advantage, getting guys fresh and healthy again."There will be
plenty of time next spring, summer and fall to get ready for next year. Dozens
of players who will be playing next year are still in high school or on
missions.I'd much rather have a healthy, well-conditioned,
well-motivated team ready for the bowl game. Bronco is 6-2 in bowls, with the 2
losses by 10 points or less. Why mess with a formula that's working?
red.diehardUtah plays in the bowl tier that they deserve, and that
is by contract.A team that isn't good enough to win at least
half their games, doesn't deserve to be playing in a bowl.Don't kid yourself. Jealous Utah fans like you would give their eye teeth
to be playing in the Hunger Bowl.
A lot of you guys are well versed in changing the expectations so that you can
delight in BYU's failure to do something that wasn't part of the
original discussion.Does BYU, and Bronco, aspire to compete for and
win a national championship? Yes.Would it be better if they
didn't say that out loud? I don't think so, but many of the
ankle-biters seem to.Did BYU declare independence to make piles of
money, or somehow find a magical hidden path to the BCS, or to keep up with
Utah? No, no and no..Did BYU declare independence because it was
the only option available that was better than staying in the MWC? Yes.Does Bronco's plan result in bowl success? Well, duh.Does BYU wish it were in better bowls? Well, yes, but this year, we seem to
be about where we deserve.Would his plan work against better bowl
competition? Right now I just hope it works against Washington.Might next year's weaker schedule result in a better bowl? Maybe so.
Let's just worry about Washington for now.
CougarColbyBYU solidified their 1984 NC by beating Michigan in the
Holiday Bowl. BYU won their NC by winning 24 straight games, by
finishing in the Top 7 in back-to-back seasons and in the Top 12 in 5 of 6
seasons from 1979 to 1984 to develop the kind of national cachet required to
convince the majority of coaches and sportswriters that BYU was the most
deserving team to be selected the Major College Football National Champion for
1984.The proof of those statements is displayed proudly in
BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame.btw, what evidence do you have that
"the Church would probably like to just do away with all sports in general
if they really could"?The fact that General Authorities often
attend BYU football and basketball games directly contradicts your assertion
that the Church would probably like to just do away with BYU sports.If/when BYU wins it's next football or basketball national championship,
you can be assured that there will be numerous positive comments and publicity
from and about the Church.
G-Day etc. "Your comment makes no sense regarding this article.
7-15-1 was BYU's bowl record prior to Bronco Mendenhall. Since
Bronco Mendenhall BYU's bowl record is 6-2."He's
referring to the "1" and the fact that someone played for a tie in a
worthless bowl game.
So now the emphasis is on winning the Mediocre Bowl?? What about emphasizing
winning your opener....Or beating your mediocre rival...or playing with passion
and heart in the biggest games on your schedule when something is on the line
(Wisconsin, Notre Dame). Bronco has taken BYU football to a new level alright.
Unfortunately, It seems mediocre has become acceptable to the fans at BYU
because they've been fed a line that says the honor code limits getting top
notch athletes. That's a bunch of hogwash. If I recall we won a NATIONAL
CHAMPIONSHIP and had several other top notch seasons with the honor code in
place. The problem is coaching pure and simple. Until we see through that you
can count on seeing the same mediocrity year after year which is fine if
that's all you care about.
@TroyTownUtah is a member of a conference and has access to any bowl
affiliated with it. I know many Utah fans and not a single one is jealous of
BYU in any regard.
Re DeepBlue:If you're happy with not giving
underclassmen/reserves the extra reps they would get with 9 practices, then more
to power to ya. However, don't act surprised when BYU loses horrible early
games ala Virginia and enters the month of October with two losses - again. To
focus only on the bowl game is very shortsided. The starters don't need
the reps, but this years reserves that will be next years starters need those
reps. I don't understand why this so hard to understand.
Stringer BellHenderson, NV"He's referring to the
"1" and the fact that someone played for a tie in a worthless bowl
game."And that "1" happened in the Lavel era, and the
bowls weren't worthless. Back in the day when Utah actually went to bowl
games, most of them were of the "worthless" variety.For the
longest time, Lavel took teams to bowl games; Utah didn't go. Is that what
made them worthless?
red.diehard"Utah is a member of a conference and has access to
any bowl affiliated with it. I know many Utah fans and not a single one is
jealous of BYU in any regard."Utah has no access to any bowl
regardless of conference affiliation because the Utes aren't good enough to
qualify for a bowl.Don't kid yourself. Utah fans
are insanely jealous that the Cougars will be playing in their 9th straight
bowl, while the Utes are left on the outside looking in at the bowls for the 2nd
Y Grad / Y DadThe two main reasons why LaVell's bowl record
isn't nearly as good as Bronco's:1st and foremost -
LaVell's teams played much more difficult opponents. 15 of LaVell's 22
bowl opponents were ranked in the Top 25, including 10 in the Top 15.2nd - BYU didn't have an indoor practice facility during the LaVell
Edwards era. I remember BYU practicing for bowl games in the cramped confines of
the Smith Fieldhouse where there simply wasn't enough space to run proper
passing routes. It's hard to keep a high octane passing attack sharp when
you can't even practice your complete offensive package.Bronco's team destroyed then #16 Oregon State, but Bronco has only faced
one bowl team that finished in the Top 25, #25/#25 California in his first
season. That said, 6 of Bronco's 8 bowl opponents did finish in
Sagarin's Top 35, so Bronco has beaten some good bowl opponents.
Ed GradyI'd rather see BYU win their bowl game, than worry
about preparing for next season. As DeepBlue said, there's plenty of time
to prepare next year's team for next year. Some of the starters for next
season won't even be joining/re-joining the team until spring or fall
red.diehard"We've had our eyes on BYU for years." Fight
Hunger Bowl director Gary Cavalli. He called Tom Holmoe the day BYU went
independent.Similar things have been said by the directors of the
Poinsettia Bowl and Las Vegas Bowl.When was the last time any bowl
director expressed an interest in Utah playing in their bowl?
For the life of me I don't understand why some BYU fans think that winning
this years bowl game and preparing for next Fall are mutually exclusive events.
BYU can do both - use 6-9 practices for the underclassmen/reserves and 6 for the
bowl game preparation. I'm just tired of watching BYU losing two games in
September simply because the team is not ready to compete. I don't buy the
excuses given for leaving 9 practices on the table.
"I'm just tired of watching BYU losing two games in September simply
because the team is not ready to compete."The Virginia game was
an anomaly. Taysom was returning from a season-ending knee injury after only
starting two games in his BYU career. That combined with a two-hour lightning
delay, torrential rain, and a slick ball glancing off the hands of a receiver
setting up Virginia for a gift game-winning touchdown. I blame Anae for that
one.The main culprit in the Virginia and Utah losses was the
offensive line, most of which wasn't even available for spring ball, let
alone the previous bowl season.
@DeepBlueThat was not his point, you completely missed it. They
don't have to make the upper classmen or the starters or 2nd stringers
practice all the practices if they want to heal them up, but why not use those
extra 9 practices to give the young guys the practice reps they never get and
won't get in spring? Why not have Billy Greene spend 9 practices getting
1st team reps? Why not have those young offensive linemen get 9 practices worth
of reps? Why not have all those young guys do that?It is foolish of
Mendenhall to squander that opportunity, one of many foolish things he does.
@Ed GradyI'm with you man, not a whole lot of thought in some
of those posts.@stringer ballUh....that "worthless
bowl game" you are refering to was the Holiday Bowl, a bowl Utah never even
came close to making it to, and it was between 2 top 25 teams, BYU and Iowa, and
featured a Heisman trophy winner and two of the most legendary coaches in
college football history. You Utah "fans" display your ignorance over
and over on these boards. LOL!
DuckhunterSLC, UTWelcome back from Tulsa. We missed you all
last week after the 17 point stomping your basketball team endured.Good luck to Bronco and the Cougs in their bowl game.
Fight Hunger Bowl Exec Dir Gary Cavalli: "Within 5 min of (BYU
independence) announcement, I called my old friend Tom Holmoe... and booked BYU
on the spot."
@54iqI haven't gone anywhere?
@Red.DiehardI made no comment on whether they played in the tier of
bowl they "deserved" (whatever "deserves" means relevant to the
BCS and its very "objective" way of choosing national championships).
What I was saying is that BYU under performs. They have better
athletes, facilities, and resources than the "Hungry Bowl" (and by the
way that was the lamest bowl game I have ever seen. Seriously only one
sideline.) and yes it is shameful. Under performing has been Bronco's
secret to bowl success. Now go pretend like Utah's super inconsistent play
over the last several years puts them in another league of awesomeness.
Truthfully both of these programs are way to high on themselves. Neither one
has done much lately. If Utahn's should be proud of any their programs
it's USU. They have done some really special things as of late.