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  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 21, 2013 11:25 p.m.

    Fun game to watch. BYU was playing out of their heads though the better team did win.

    It gets a lot easier from here. Should take 3rd in the WCC. It's kind of a big deal.

  • starthillnotnelson Kamas/United States, UT
    Dec. 21, 2013 11:25 p.m.

    Can never finish out a game. NIT here we come

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Dec. 21, 2013 11:26 p.m.

    Cougars lost from the line again.

    Cougars (Bartley) got cheated out of three points by the blown call (even the TV announcers confirmed it) at the end of OT. Whatever it takes to give Big Boy the "W". Pretty tough to beat the Zebras.

  • G-Day-M8 WVC, UT
    Dec. 21, 2013 11:27 p.m.

    Two Words

    1-Free

    2-Throws

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 21, 2013 11:35 p.m.

    Those darn refs beat us again!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 21, 2013 11:41 p.m.

    G-Day-M8

    "Two Words: Free Throws"

    Amen!

    If BYU shoots 75% instead of 61% from the stripe, they win.

    Still, a great effort by the Cougars tonight against an undefeated, Top 12 team on the road.

    --------

    starthillnotnelson

    A little early to be pulling the plug on BYU's NCAA prospect;, in fact, if the Cougars split with Gonzaga and St Mary's, and win the rest of their WCC games, very doable, BYU will be all but guaranteed a spot in the big dance come Selection Sunday.

  • starthillnotnelson Kamas/United States, UT
    Dec. 21, 2013 11:45 p.m.

    Sort of doesn't matter because we lost, but Carlino had a double-double...with rebounds...basketball is screwed up these days

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 21, 2013 11:55 p.m.

    Didn't watch anything until the last two minutes of regulation (interestingly, when the game finally got interesting). Both teams seemed bound and determined to give the game away. Oregon's defense on Haws was embarrassing. He's possibly the best scorer in the country when not gameplanned for, but very mediocre when he is. Then they finally come back to tie it and are sure to win it at the line... but miss them both. But in the end, between Eugene and Albuquerque today, the meaning behind the term "Cougin' it" was strengthened tenfold.

    Tom, just because Ernie Kent says something doesn't make him right. Bartley had clearly not started his upward motion when the defender was set. Good call. Bad drive by Bartley.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Dec. 21, 2013 11:59 p.m.

    Disappointing to not see the game again but it seemed we fought hard but still came up short as usual. I wished we pulled it off but unfortunately we didn't. Once again from reading the article it seems the team's f/t demons were still not exorcised. A few more shots made at the critical o/t period would've given them the upset but I'm please nonetheless that they didn't bust like they did against the Utes. Gonzaga also lost so there goes the only WCC team that was rank this year so far. Oh well...looking forward to conference play anyway!

    Go Cougars!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 12:02 a.m.

    BYU stalled when they got to 84. PAC 12 officials called traveling against BYU on a rebound but not against the Ducks in a similar situation on the other end of the floor. Carlino missed two lay-ups. Officials called a charge that the announcers said should have been a block and instead of being up by 3, Cougars fell behind.

    Oregon could and should have won in regulation, and had two chances to hit a single free throw, but missed both. Great game, no one has taken it to Oregon like that on the Ducks home floor. Foul trouble killed BYU's big men.

    Cougars let another one slip away. But it's hard to beat those PAC 12 officials when they aren't consistent except to call in favor of their own conference, whether in basketball of football---it never changes. Still, BYU played a solid game and should have finished with a victory. They had about 6 chances after getting to 84 before they finally got another bucket. There's little excuse for missing lay-ups, by the way.

    Overall, very good game to watch.

  • ratsoutah west jordan, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 12:06 a.m.

    If the Y had spent time in the preseason and in the past weeks trying to improve their free throw shooting....they probably win...but it was obvious the officials took control at the point when Bartley scored and the basket negated by a very obviously blown call... that's the PAC 12 for ya... had the correct call been made, and if Bartley makes the free throw, I think they take the game because Oregon was down to 0 time outs....but... place some focus on free throw shooting and you do not give the refs a chance to take control....

  • utah04&08 south jordan, ut
    Dec. 22, 2013 12:45 a.m.

    You can try to blame the refs but calls on both sides we bad. Foul shooting killed BYU. They need to shoot higher than 61% to win a game. After all, they are free. In the end this was a fun game to watch.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 12:54 a.m.

    toosmartforyou: "PAC 12 officials called traveling against BYU on a rebound but not against the Ducks in a similar situation on the other end of the floor."

    From what I understand, they made the exact same call against Oregon earlier on. The announcers also mentioned this. Don't let that keep you from hearing, seeing and believing only what you wish to, though. I don't see what all the hubbub about the Bartley charge call is. The defender was set before he began his upward motion, that's a very easy call.

    And please ratsoutah, these same "PAC-12 officials" in this game, Michael Irving, Frank Harvey and Glen Newberry have also officiated a combined 18 WCC games against non-PAC-12 schools, versus 16 TOTAL PAC-12 games (10 of these only coming from Irving). Took me two minutes to look up. Do a little research and save some embarrassment.

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 1:20 a.m.

    What is the stat for BYU's last four minutes in every game? How about games against teams over .500? It seems that BYU just folds up and closes shop at the end of every game. And when is our other "body" coming back? Mr. Football, Bronson Kafusi...BYU needs another good five fouls to give, especially late in the game. Bronson could sit on the bench until the second half, then bring him on to beat up some guys...

    Boy, we sure need SOMETHING. This is the same in Football...lose against all the pretty good teams...

    Getting old guys! Note to coaches! And get local broadcast...Direct TV don't carry PAC12!

  • Th Tooele, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 2:44 a.m.

    Quit blaming the officials for the loss. The Pac 12 refs didn't walk up and clank a dozen free throws. The refs didn't force a drive up two before anyone else came down the floor. That was a terrible decision by "Matty Ice" as Wrubel calls him. He's more like ice melt!

    The call in overtime was the right call. All watching listened to an announcer claim it was the wrong call. How hard would that be to see in real time? When watching in real time, it was the right call. Any time you slow a play down to frame by frame, it would be impossible to ever get a call right.

    BYU bombed this game. Not the refs.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    Dec. 22, 2013 2:45 a.m.

    BYU is playing better this year than expected even with this loss. BYU has been weak with the big men for the past few years, especially when going to the bench, with the change in game plan this year they definitely look better.

    Just need to keep improving and fix this year's free throw slump which is difficult to fathom with so many good guards on the team.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 22, 2013 2:56 a.m.

    I was at the game... It was a very hard loss to accept for a Coug fan... Reasons:

    . BYU led the entire game and controlled the glass... At least they did in the first half until the pac12 zebras decided that Oregon wasn't going to win with the 2 BYU Bigs still in the game... If either Austin or Mika finish Regulation, BYU wins.

    . Free throw shooting continues to be atrocious... It's like our place kicking game in Football... We are horrible at it and it doesn't appear that it has moved up the coaching staffs priority list at all... We need a dedicated Free Throw coach on staff. Nothing more painful than Collinsworth shooting free throws... The guy drives and handles the ball a lot and get's fouled a lot, but he can't hit better than 60% from the line and more like 50% at crunch time.

    . Our Offense needs work... Once the opposing team shuts down Haws, then we get a steady diet of one on two, or one on three with Collinsworth or Carlino. Mika has a tough time handling the ball in the paint, and Austin is too intimidated to shoot.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 22, 2013 3:06 a.m.

    It's always easy to blame losses on Officiating and most people don't buy it... But pac12 officiating, IMHO, is the absolute worse in College Basketball... In general they are inconsistent and seem biased against any OOC Team that comes to play their teams... (Ask Wisconsin about pac12 officiating in football).

    But since I was there... Here's my take on blown calls that significantly hurt the Cougars:

    . The 5 free throws that they gave the kid from Oregon who had 30 some points at the end of regulation... Austin and Sharp should have never left their feet and they deserved the call on the shot... However, from my vantage point the guy's foot was on the arch line both times... And both times the Refs wanted to give him 3 shots... He did get 3 shots the first time but the video was more clear the second time so they had to reverse themselves... He hit them all to close the gap in regulation.. One point too many...

    . Barley's drive in OT should have been an "and one" instead of a charge... The defender was not set and it looked to me that he was in the "no charge" arch.

  • Peeves Portland, OR
    Dec. 22, 2013 3:07 a.m.

    I was at the game, and let me tell you those refs couldn't make a proper call all night.

  • LadyMoon Crestucky, FL
    Dec. 22, 2013 3:33 a.m.

    It's all mental and in knowing HOW to finish! If you can play even in regulation, you can win in regulation or overtime! BYU must master the mental focus and confidence to put the game away - mental toughness! It's up to the players to develop this as a team and develop it now going into conference play!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 22, 2013 3:40 a.m.

    On a neutral floor, with non-pac12 officials... BYU wins this game by double digits...

    However, if Rose doesn't do something about improving the teams Free Throw shooting there will be many more losses down the road.

    Guys who need the focus the most are:

    . Collinsworth... His shot is horrible, lacks confidence and doesn't square to the basket... His shot (mid range, 3 point, and free throw are shot too much from the side and he's not balanced and doesn't square to the basket.

    . Mika... Too many moving parts in his shot and release and doesn't bend his knees...

    . Austin... Mechanics are good, just needs more free throws which comes from attacking the basket on offense.

    . and Bartley needs to relax... His percentage is way worse than it should be... His shot and release in general is not as good as it should be for a #2 or a #3. Too much left hand in the shot.

    BYU ranks at #242 in Free Throw shooting amongst 351 NCAA Division I teams at 67%... Pathetic for a team in the top 25 in RPI... However, 67% would have won the game tonight with 2 additional points in regulation.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Dec. 22, 2013 5:48 a.m.

    I hate not having the game broadcast in our area. As for the team's continuous struggle with foul shots, you'd think the guys would take that on themselves without the coaches telling them to improve. I understand Tyler got to be good in it because he spent hours practicing shooting free throws. Repetition and practice breeds confidence which results in improvement. But, what the heck do I know? Maybe the coaches are preaching that same gospel but just not being heard or taken seriously. Also, we are in serious need of an extra big man like some are advocating, preferably a 7'ter with mass and skill. I can only hope and dream!

    Go Cougars!

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 6:24 a.m.

    Excuses, excuses, excuses that's all we here from BYU fans. Blame the refs, blame the free throws, blame being on the road, oh and don't forget the tough pre season schedule. Now BYU starts the meat of their schedule and only plays two teams in their cracker box league. But take heart cougar fans you can watch them on BYU tv.

  • oddman ,
    Dec. 22, 2013 6:44 a.m.

    It appeared the Cougars back was broken on the Bartley charge. That being said, watching the replay over and over again I have to agree with the refs. It that had been Haws he may have pulled up and tossed in a soft fall away jumper. Great game to watch and to watch growth in the big men in each contest. Mika, it seems, needs to catch, turn and put in rather than putting the ball on the floor where he is still deficient in the college game.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 6:51 a.m.

    It was the refs?
    It was the home cooking?
    If only a neutral floor.

    No way can we blame the 18 turnovers.
    No way can we blame al the missed free throws.

    These refs work more WCC games than PAC 12 games.
    The calls were 23 fouls vs. 22 fouls.

    8-5 now.

    You gave it a great Cougar try and almost did it. Now stop making excuses.

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    Dec. 22, 2013 7:10 a.m.

    Greg Wrubell said on the radio that the refs were WCC refs.

  • Ray E. LITTLETON, CO
    Dec. 22, 2013 7:24 a.m.

    During the last four minutes, was it just me who was screaming at the TV for the Cougars to SLOW the game down? With 3:33 left and a seven point lead, I counted five or six possessions where a guard ran down the court and either clanked a long shot or lost the ball in traffic before the rest of the team had crossed midcourt. I realize that it is not BYU's style to play half-court offense, but had they burned 20 to 30 seconds of clock on those possessions, this game would have been a huge W in BYU's book, and better yet, another chance to stick it to the PAC-12. Great game boys--you left it all on the court.
    PS: The refs also made some awful calls against Oregon.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    Wah, wah, wah. BYU lost because they can't hit free throws. All complaints about officiating are just "sour grapes." As another poster pointed out, referee's usually work multiple conferences as is the case with this group.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 22, 2013 7:29 a.m.

    Way to go Cougs, don't hang your heads. You are young and at least have figured out how to play hard and stop worrying about the other Jersey.

    With no seniors on the team, these learning curves are going to be steep, but this season is going to have some great memories to it, including a trip to the NCAA.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 8:08 a.m.

    Excuses, excuses, excuses that's all we hear from BYU fans these days. Let's see, the ref's cheated us, even the announcers thought we were homered, we were on the road again and the list goes on. Well now you can start your conference play in the cracker box league. But wait isn't St Marys and Gonzaga dominated you? Oh, and in addition you can see them for free on BYU tv. Yep, BYU the only team in America that has never lost a game because of poor foul shooting, poor shooting in general, poor defending, poor coaching, or just because the other team was better.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 8:13 a.m.

    I love BYU hoops! But the vicissitudes of their performances are quite frustrating. Where is the consistency? And this is not limited to hoops. Football is the same way. I love Coach Rose. But When I was coaching, inconsistency was known to be a reflection of my failure to create structure and discipline and, instead of relying on well-practiced execution, trying to get players psyched up for games with motivational speeches. Excitement and motivation failed against Utah. In the long run, structure and discipline will beat out pep talks every time!

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    LadyMoon, I agree. This team needs "mental toughness" especially at the end of close games. That and an emphasis on free throw shooting! That alone would win games with the points they lose by mission free throws!

    Go Cougars!

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Dec. 22, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    Had to listen on radio and did not hear Luke Worthington's name called all night. Did he play? Suit up? What's the "story", if there is one?

  • Coach Biff Lehi, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    The officiating was just normal folks. The charge call at the end of the game was a good call. We missed free throws and Carlino and Collinsworth both turned the ball over in crucial moments in regulation which could have won the game. This team needs to learn to close it out. They will and my prediction is we win the WCC if we play this well against Gonzaga.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    @poyman

    "On a neutral floor, with non-pac12 officials... BYU wins this game by double digits..."

    Woulda, coulda, shoulda. I think that needs to be BYU's new motto. When BYU loses (and that's happened five times already this season), it's never their fault. It's always the refs or the scorekeeper or someone who has it out for them. Have you ever thought that maybe with improved recruiting, coaching, etc., that possibly your team wouldn't constantly be stuck in this excuse-making mode?

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Dec. 22, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    Blaming the refs for a loss is weak. The complainers only remember the "bad calls" that went against them, not those that were called on the other team. BYU would be better served to practice 15 foot shots and quit whining.

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    Dec. 22, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    each player should shoot a minimum of 100 free throws a day (except Sundays) as long as they are at BYU, including the off season. if they are already shooting 100 / day then double it. Do we need a free throw mechanics coach? some of those guys look awkward when shooting the free shot. if we made the free throws in all of the games we lost we may be undefeated. think about that.

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    @poyman
    "We need a dedicated free throw coach on staff"

    Hey, I'm not busy. I'll take that job. I will show all the players how to walk up to the line that has been conveniently painted on the floor for them, then you shoot the ball into the basket. Okay boys, now do that 1000 times a day. Coach Rose, I'll be in Monday morning to pick up my paycheck. Thank you!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    So if this trend continues on the year and a few quality wins against Stanford, Texas and maybe St. Mary's are weighted against quality losses to Iowa State, Wichita State, UMass, Oregon, most likely Gonzaga, possibly St. Mary's, and perhaps Utah depending on their conference results, where will they stand? Are 2-3 quality wins versus 8-10 quality losses, with possibly one or two bad losses along the way, enough to make the NCAA as a 12 or 13 seed?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 22, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    Great watch, I thought BYU played great they had Oregon dreads to right. I thought the officiating was good. Free throws killed BYU. After watching Gonzaga yesterday, BYU is a better team and can easily win the WCC. The battled last night, BYU is battle tested, I give them big ups for last night, even in defeat!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 22, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    I don't know how in the world any one can blame the officials for the loss. Let's look at it statistically, total free throws BYU 36, Oregon 31. Personal fouls BYU 23 Oregon 22. It looks pretty even to me. Don't miss 13 free throws and you win the game going away.

  • ideasnstuff Orem, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    It's all about free throw shooting. Maybe I shouldn't talk as a couch potato who is 100% free-throw shooter in the comfort of my recliner. But, my understanding is that improving free-throw percentage is just a matter of mastering good form and investing the time. But maybe there are good players who just lack the motor skills or the emotional composure. I'd be interested to hear the opinions of coaches and ex-players out there. Say what you want about the PAC/WCC refs. This game was lost at the line to a very fine team.

  • DuckFan Eugene, OR
    Dec. 22, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    I just wanted to say what a great game. Your team is going to do great in conference. My Ducks were lucky to get out of this one without a loss. Both teams are only going to get better after playing a game like this. Good luck the rest of the way.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    BYU played a great game until the starters "ran out of gas." If they would have hit a basket in the last 2 mins. of the game, they would have won.

    They are a young team, and have great potential.

    Go Cougs!

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 22, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    @Silent Lurker
    You don't seem to understand the difference between making excuses and self evaluation. Blaming the refs is making excuses (you're right about that one). Blaming poor foul shooting is just stating facts. BYU outplayed Oregon and beat them in just about every statistical category except foul shooting and turnovers . If even BYU would have shot their abysmal free throw average they would have won this game, despite all the turnovers and BYU's bigs fouling out. But they didn't, and the score is the most important statistic.

    When some posters are so blinded by hate, they lack objectivity, and thus lack credibility.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Dec. 22, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    StGtoSLC

    "Tom, just because Ernie Kent says something doesn't make him right. Bartley had clearly not started his upward motion when the defender was set. Good call. Bad drive by Bartley."

    StG -

    And your vast experience and expertise qualifies your opinion to trump Ernie Kent, who took his Ducks to 5 NCAA tournaments and the Elite 8 twice. Get real.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 22, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    At least 3 of the 5 BYU losses can be attributed to really poor foul shooting, and that is just a shame.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Dec. 22, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    Silent Lurker -

    "now you can start your conference play in the cracker box league. But wait isn't (did you mean didn't) St Marys and Gonzaga dominated(did you mean dominate) you?"

    You beat Evergreen Tech and now all of a sudden your DOMINATED utes are something special?? At least our "cracker boxes" are sold out, unlike the echo chamber on the hill.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    Tom, neither mine, yours, nor Ernie's "vast experience and expertise" accounts for anything. The officials' opinion is all that matters. Yours just comes across as sour grapes.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 12:20 p.m.

    @ Tom in CA

    7,700 people showed up to watch Utah play Evergreen St. None of the WCC gyms would be able to hold that many people. They can't even come close

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    To those of you who say the charge call was right on Bartley the announcer's who agreed that it should have been a block are PAC 12 announcers.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    shaybo, no kiddin'?! Well then that settles it! The WCC refs should've been told that the "PAC 12 announcers" disagreed, they surely would've changed it then!

  • Big R Danville, CA
    Dec. 22, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    Just to educate some of you...there are no Pac-12 officials. The Pac-12, Mtn West, WAC and WCC all share an officiating pool with the same head of officials. I'm a BYU fan, but get so tired of BYU fans blaming the officials for every loss. Find a new line already! Be better sports and treat others better. It is who we are.....isn't it?

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 22, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    I wasn't going to respond to some of the ute comments, but I can't help myself...

    First, Spokane Ute... I appreciate your comments... It's clear you saw the game and you understand hoops... We just disagree on a couple of calls and the concept of comparing the number of fouls to determine whether a game is called objectively.

    @gored... It's clear from your comments that you are totally lost... You obviously didn't watch the game and yet launch criticisms that show that you really don't follow the sport too closely either... In Basketball (more than any other sport) Home Court Advantage matters... You might not know that since your team has only played one game away from the HC so far this season (and you lost that one BTW)...Anyone that knows anything about College Ball knows that BYU has had a few excellent years of recruiting (four 4 stars and three 3 stars is excellent) and in fact is the best in the state... As for coaching, Rose has one of the best win-loss percentages in the country and has routinely been rated in the top 20 of NCAA coaches.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 22, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    I think all agree (those who saw the game and most of those who didn't but still had a need to comment)that the Cougs lost the game at the line last night... From my perspective, the Official's missed some critical calls that happened to stand out because they occurred at crunch time.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    poyman,

    I don't disagree with you but Carlino was rejected at the bucket twice at the end of regulation. Somebody needs to put a bridle on him at crunch time. BTW, I don't ever remember Coach Rose and the team complaining about the refs.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    I never saw a ref with his hand up in the face of BYU players while shooting a free throw. There called "free" for a reason.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    Big R, thank you for reinforcing a point I've tried to drive home to whiny fans for the last couple of years now. Folks, there's a very informative website, and since I can't post URLs, I'll just say that it is called statsheet and ends with the most common American URL ending. It provides stats for each and every college basketball official, which games they've officiated, their tendencies of making certain calls, etc.

    poyman, there is no denying the Cougs Couged it at the charity stripe. I'll go ahead and respectfully disagree with calls being missed in crunch time, although I do believe an out of bounds call awarded to BYU at least warranted a replay in the final minute (one of the few situations a play can be reviewed in college basketball) because they resumed play before anyone got any good look at it. Overall, however, I feel it was called pretty fairly.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 22, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    @bigr

    In close games, officiating is always going to be examined... I am one who was critical of a couple of late calls... IMHO, Officials of PAC12 games seem to call more fouls and are the most inconsistent during the course of a game... (I have played and coached at several levels including HS 5A and Division I).

    Your comment that the WCC, WAC, MWC and the Pac12 use the same pool of officials is news to me... That certainly wasn't the case when I played and coached (but then that was 20 and 40 years ago).

    Your comment caused me to do a little quick research however, and from what I could see, in my 5 minute review, was that pretty much all conferences in the west attend the same "training venues" but they are still scheduled separately... Although it looks as though the Pac12 and the MWC plan to intermingle this year under the coordination of the MWC... If you have additional Info, please share your source.

    Regarding criticism of others who questioned the officiating? You need to get over yourself and stop the hypocritical preaching... People have a right to opinions... Deal with it.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Dec. 22, 2013 2:28 p.m.

    Any word on Luke Worthington?

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 22, 2013 2:31 p.m.

    By the way... Duck fans are a "Classy Group"... It was a tough game, lots of opportunities for friction but yet many stopped us as we were leaving to tell us that BYU is one of the toughest teams they have played this year and many admitted that they should have lost... There were no bad feelings... We shook hands, laughed, cheered loudly for our respective teams, and patted each other on the back when we finally left after a heart breaking loss.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 2:37 p.m.

    Didn't see the game but in this article, NOTHING said about Tyler Haws, where was this "go to guy" setup where he can make plays and free throws?

  • bigv56 Cottonwood, CA
    Dec. 22, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    These guys can't finish. Carling loses his mind when things are close. Chokers

  • krux scottsdale, AZ
    Dec. 22, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    Come on people, have a clue. The Refs last night were NOT Pac 12 refs. They were WCC refs. The refs didnt beat BYU as many of you wrongly claim. BYU plays less than NO defense The guards have no idea how to cover anyone. The bigs will always be in foul trouble because of the guards

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 22, 2013 4:26 p.m.

    @ekute...

    Little argument on Carlino... It's a two edge sword though... We needed a hoop at a critical time, would loved to have got it to Haws but couldn't... Both Bigs had fouled out and Collinsworth can't shoot free throws, or mid range shots or 3 point shots... Carlino is streaky but willing to step up and take the responsibility for critical shots... In retrospect, he should have put up a floater.

    Rose and the Players represent the school so they will never criticize or compliment officiating... I don't have those restraints.

    @Herbert Gravy...

    Rose would love to use Worthington as a reliable back up to BYU's starting Bigs... The problem is that Luke has shown little Offensive finesse and poor Defensive Foot Work which leads to a high foul p/min ratio that you can't afford in crunchtime... IMO, that is the reason he didn't play last night.

    @stgtoslc.

    My main concerns were calls that I thought were wrong at crunch time... If replay shows the defender was set and not in the no charge zone, and that Calliste's foot was behind the line on his first 3 attempt then I'm wrong.

  • Cougarbaseball Rifle, CO
    Dec. 22, 2013 5:10 p.m.

    I didn't get to see the game but listened to it on the radio. It sounded like the team made some good adjustments from earlier in the season as far as trying to work for good shots and getting the ball more consistently in the hands of those who shoot for higher percentages. The team has had some struggles with guys forcing up low percentage shots early in the shot clock instead of working for high percentage shots. However it seemed that they reverted to the same problem the last 4 minutes of regulation. It is crucial at that time to get the ball to your best shooters (Haws) more often and others shouldn't shoot unless they are wide open or have a good inside look. This means guys like Carlino have to be more patient. He can keep driving, but he needs to look for more dish offs or kick outs to open players on those drives.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 5:35 p.m.

    The refs were WCC refs.

    Guess we'll have to find another reason for the loss.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 22, 2013 6:38 p.m.

    @krux
    "Come on people, have a clue. The Refs last night were NOT Pac 12 refs. They were WCC refs. "

    You are incorrect sir! The truth is they all service both conferences. 2 of the officials spend about equal time in the WCC as the PAC 12, whereas the head official of that game, Michael Irving, officiates twice as many games in the PAC12 as he does in the WCC.

    Yes, there is unlikely any bias from the officials in that game but if there was, it would probably lean to PAC 12's favor. You really ought to get your facts straight before you blast the fans.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Dec. 22, 2013 11:42 p.m.

    Make lay-ups, make free throws, bench Carlino. He makes two bonehead plays for every brilliant play. He's an anchor. He might be a nice kid...but put the ball in Collinworth's hands and play other guys who will play a team game.

  • bigirish OREM, UT
    Dec. 23, 2013 12:04 a.m.

    I was wowed by the Coug's tenacity and the way they kept the Ducks on their webbed heels ...until the end, and we got quacked. Are our guys so rattled by live games that they just can't get those free throws? I hate to see certain guys fouled - but we used to be a top FT team in the country? How did it change? Is it just the athletes or is not that aspect of the game focused on as much? It's been the difference in wins and losses for us and will continue to be, unless...and turnovers killed us too. We've been playing top teams too, and have run well with most. This one and Iowa State will really stick in our craws.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 23, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    BYU's problem is CARLINO. That guy gets the ball and because you don't know what's going to happen, you get games like this. End of regulation, if Carlino doesn't drive the lane and try and be a hero, waits for the rest of his team and sets up a play instead of shoot against 3 Oregon players, this game ends differently with a 2 point basket for BYU and Oregon missing two free throws as was what happened.

    Carlino is the difference between 12-1 and 8-5 season.

  • Cool Cat Cosmo Payson, UT
    Dec. 23, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    Like the Ute Football team proved earlier this year, 'almost' just doesn't cut it. Sure, it's a bit of comfort to know that they hung in there, but an L is an L, and a W a W.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 23, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    Cool Cat Cosmo

    Football and basketball are two entirely different animals when it comes to the post season.

    While bowl games only care about wins and losses, the NCAA tournament selection committee looks at the whole picture, including good losses and bad wins.

    In other words, losing to the #13/#11 team by 4 points, on the road, in overtime, counts as a very good loss, and is far more impressive to the selection committee than a win over a 200+ team.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 23, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    TroyTown, but that credit starts to diminish when just about all a team does is lose to the quality competition. IMO, BYU will have to avoid any conference upsets, and at least split the St Mary's series to feel good about NCAA tournament hopes. They've got a short list of quality wins, and an ever-growing list of quality losses.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 23, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    It seems like the number one sport for BYU fans has become blaming the officials for every game you lose. It's that darn us against them complex they have. They believe the whole world is against them.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Dec. 23, 2013 10:42 a.m.

    Let's face it. We've got another "Duck Dynasty" here.

  • jazzer St. George, UT
    Dec. 23, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    It's simple, good teams make free throws. Hmmmmmm unfortunately for BYU they couldn't hit....

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Dec. 23, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    It's quite predictable that Ute fans would try to defend the refereeing from their living rooms while the people who were actually at the game... including the TV announcers... saw it for what it actually was... blown calls at critical times toward the end of the game that literally changed the outcome of the game. That happened, regardless of the referee conference affiliation.

    But hey, when you live and die by your PAC12 affiliation, you gotta stick up for it regardless of whether they are right or wrong. And they were actually wrong this time... based on how games are officiated around the rest of the country,

  • etrnllife4evr tucson, AZ
    Dec. 23, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    here is the game problem in a nutshell MISSED FREE THROWS !! We lost to Iowa State because of MISSED FREE THROWS, we lost to Wichita State because of MISSED FREE THROWS. Most of the guys are 50 and 60% free throw shooters for the season and then there is Tyler Haws who is 90%. What a terrible disparity for college basketball players. The defense knows that when ever Mika Gets the ball in clutch situations they are going to do the hack a shak routine and put him on the line. Bartely, Collingsworth, Austin, Carlino all need to put in major minutes improving this facet of their game before it costs us anymore wins. Probably the worst free throw shooting team I can ever recall seeing at any level in my 45 plus years of watching sports.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Dec. 23, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    Three things made this loss especially difficult to stomach:

    1) Losing after being ahead literally 98% of the game.

    2) Having 3 points taken away by a bad referee call with under a minute to go, that was proven to be so by replays that couldn't be used to set things right.

    3) Shooting free-throws worse than an average high school team does... again! If BYU could shoot them at even close to the NCAA average, they would have at least 2 wins against nationally ranked (and previously unbeaten) teams. Shooting free-throws as consistently bad as the Cougars do has got to be blamed partially on the coaching.

    The coaches should have Hawes teaching the rest of the team free-throw fundamentals at the end of every practice for as long as it takes to achieve measurable significant improvement. Obviously, it hasn't been enough of a priority.

  • Gone fishin Seattle, WA
    Dec. 23, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    Motorbike, Poyman,Peeves,
    I will agree that the officiating was terrible but it was terrible both ways and inconsistent all night long. But BYU lost the game not because of them. They just cannot shoot free throws, plain and simple. If they shoot 75% from the line they win the game. Unless they fix this they will be lucky to make the NIT.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 23, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    @ Tators

    To imply that BYU lost the game due to PAC 12 officials is weak sauce. I watched the entire game. It was called very evenly. BYU missed a ton of free throws, that's what cost them the game. As far as fouls go: Personal Fouls: Oregon 22, BYU 23. Free Throws attempted Oregon 31, BYU 36. The numbers speak for them self. To get those kind of numbers on the road is pretty unbiased. I don't know what more a road team could expect?

    Have a Merry Christmas!

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Dec. 23, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    We have to pass it to know what's in it.